Bob Howry was a lot worse early in the season that marmol is now…...all those early games we had no choice as that scout said…if lou had not continued to use him early and we lost all of you guys would have been complaining where is marmol? We need to win now to have less wins needed later in year? You guys are unbelievable, and are never happy? How many games have you guys won in the major leagues? How many of you guys played any baseball at a serious level? In high school? College? Minor Leagues? Independent or Cape Cod? You guys need to relax he will get a long break and we will go from there with howry being a notorious slow starter and lights out in second half marmol will not be used as much. You guys are un-real? If it were up to you guys you guys would run Lou out of town…no one is perfect. If marshall came in and gave up game you guys would be screaming for lou’s head not having marmol pitch the ninth. Marmol had not pitched in three days and marmol says he is more effective when being used, and with the break even bob acknowledged it was a good time to get him an inning of work before the break. As lou said the big mistake of that inning was marmol booting that tapper. He fields that its 7-3 two outs no one on. You cannot give any major league baseball team – inlcuding the giants extra outs. he will be okay. Lou has done a fantastic job, although I agree at some points lou could have some middle relief pitch deeper I have more faith in him than me or anyone of you idiots on here. You guys cannot be pleased it is baseball being played at the highest level and when you give major league team extra outs like marmol did things like this happen. Look at the brewers last night in there game vs the reds they gave a team with less talent many many outs and the got beat by it. Just relax it was a learning experience—for those of you who scream lou stunts young growth, he learned from it and in a win. he will get his rest and be the marmol of old in the second half with bobby howry throwing smoke as well in the 7th/8th/9th(in games like these). I think at least 25+ plus teams would take lou in a blink of an eye, except for the great baseball minds here on the north side. Relax guys lou is a proven winner with multiple world series rings? How many do you have? How long have you been associated with baseball at the highest level in the world, with the most talented baseball players in the world? Thats what I thought. SO PIPE DOWN AND SHUT THE FUCK UP!

...and look at how much they backed off using him in June. Marmol’s IPs are down drastically in June compared to the prior months. So, het gets a lot of rest in June compared to the first 2 months and still is dragging.

Hmmmmm…...Next step is MRI…..

Lous has done a porr job with this pen. When you carry so many freakin’ pitchers then use them in a way that spreads the load. This way you lower the risk of wearing guys out AND you get a position player on the bench. The only saving part of this with Pinella is I don’t have to listen to the B.S. excuse making like I did from Baker, but they both seem to be poor (Baker’s a disaster) at handling pitchers.

How long have you guys been involved with the game of baseball at the highest level? even 1 year?

His hitting and intangibles aside, he needs a position OTHER than SS.

He save the tying run by getting to that ball but than he coughed it up.

needs to be at 2nd and not short. Then he is an asset with his bat and not as big a debit with his glove.

he’s afraid of his fast ball? That’s the impression I have.

I thought the article at least dealt with some facts that could be a starting point for discussion. Yes, Leo is the inspiration for the screen name. I went to my first game in ‘69 and Durocher was what I baseball was all about as a 7 year old.

to contradict the scouting take or the stat take that says Marmol’s stuff is down?

....but don’t let facts get in your way. And they are real live facts not disputable by reasonable people anyway.

No, I’d like to go ahead and solve the puzzle, Pat. Is it “MDBNIU IS WRONG”?

That’s correct!

Notice how correlated the horizontal movement and speed plots are, especially after May 25. It is almost as if at that point Marmol or the Cubs realized that he wasn’t getting the same bite on his fastball and he consciously altered his arm angle back to what it was in the beginning of the year to get that movement back. What happened, though, was the velocity suffered so he now he has decided to go back to the higher arm slot, regaining the speed at the cost of the movement. This points to Marmol possibly tiring in mid-May hiding it by slightly increasing his arm angle until May 25, when he tried to go back. It also seems to show that even after a light workload in June, Marmol hasn’t fully recovered.

So, no, his fastball doesn’t have the same “giddy up and movement” on it. And it’s because he was overworked early in the season and never recovered.

Clueless wonders run amok. They talk about Marmol as though he is a Nintendo set that little Lou played with SO MUCH that it wore out and broke. They have no fucking idea what they are talking about. In their eyes Lou is a dumb ass. Just like Dusty was falsely accused of being a dumb ass via his “overuse” of the china doll formerly known as Mark Prior.

His movement and velocity are down. Measured by the Pitch/fx system.

sorry I didn’t have the sarcasm font.

Seriously, I don’t think Lou broke Marmol. Marmol doesn’t appear hurt or injured. He’s struggling, batters are adjusting. Time for Lou and Larry to get him figured out.

Remember Dempsters problems vs the mets. Some times teams have your number and I think that’s in the back of there heads and that contributes as well.

automatically an “overreaction”.

I think we need to all just mindlessly cheer everything like the “true” Cubs fans

Seems like you need remedial English. Were any of your papers graded, or did you pay folks to write them for you. Or to put it at your reading level:

wer ani uf ur papeers gr8ed r yu pay peeple tu rite dem fer ya?

Eventually Dusty drove us all INSANE but in 2003 he got players to play way over their
presumed abilities. Dust was generally a terrible in game manager but he did really inspire guys
with his trust in them. Lou is a bad in game manager and he does not inspire his players, he just
misuses them. Dusty’s best quality was getting a lot of often marginal players but he took to insane
extremes ( Neffi at lead off) but he had a lot less to work with especially after 2003 than Lou does now. I am NOT a Dusty fan but he does deserve the credit for 2003

Not you as a person. I just did not see the reason to repeat myself my ideas are fairly well known.

I’ve been complaining about Cedeno since forever. The biggest need to this team right now is the lack of a rightie coming off the bench.

Eckstein???

Still, Marmol has been used more than anyone else in baseball, save two guys.

That point stands.

because of the way it is perceived (or mis-perceived for that matter even if it was intended as “helpful’). I want the rest of the world, including the folks at Fox, and ESPN, and Joe Morgan, to know that we support and love our Cubbies 100%. I curse at my TV and, at times, criticize my favorite cubbies, when I’m at home or in my car. But NOT when I’m at a Cubbie game.

It’s kinda like my gf. She can criticize and boo my performance at home, but don’t share it publicly with my friends and especially not with my enemies.

Make sense?

Lou had a fantastically gifted bullpen in 1990 with the Reds, is it possible he tries to duplicate that success elsewhere? He could bring in Charlton, Meyers, or Dibble in practically any inning and it was lights out, but not every team has the “Nasty Boys.” I don’t know, but the meltdown of the 2000 Seattle Mariners – they had one of the best records in the history of baseball and lost to the Yankees in the first round of the playoffs that year – and his use of our bullpen makes me wonder.

and I’ll temper anything I say, anyday with that fact. There are things Lou knows about Marmol and the rest of his squad none of us know. That said, we can see tendencies and what happens when players are used the way Marmol has been used this year and Eyre and Howry in year’s past. I believe we’re paying now on both Eyre and Howry for usage over the past two years.

but I don’t think that’s what it is. But it’s hard for me to blame Lou .. the rest of the bullpen was struggling in the beginning of the season. We really didn’t have any other option.

Me, personally, I wouldn’t trot Marmol out there as much as Pinella does, but I see the mindset Lou had.

the other perspective is – no one can perform like Marmol so we needed to use him less in order to make sure he could do what he alone can do in the playoffs.

His post name is “Mikey06” he told me he was two in 1990, and the 06 probably refers to the year he graduated from high school. Thus, I think “Mikey06” is Michael Demperio. Born in 1988, graduated from high school in 06, and his first name is Michael – “Mikey. He’s a 5-10, 170 lbs. infielder.