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The "L" Flag: Update

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Word is that the Cubs are seriously considering stopping flying the "L" flag after losses when the team returns home from the All-Star break and the road trip to Houston and Arizona.

There were some strong opinions expressed here about three weeks ago when this issue first surfaced. I'm guessing many of you haven't changed your minds -- I haven't. My feeling: it's longstanding tradition, and though I am NOT against change, this is one that ought to be left alone.

But maybe you feel differently. Post your thoughts in the comments and fill out the poll -- I'm pretty much copying the poll from the previous post for consistency's sake, with some slight modification on the wording of the choices.

Poll
How do you feel about the "L" flag?
  • Fly it if needed. The world is tough; results matter.
  • Fly it if needed. The whole point in the first place was to let people know what happened.
  • Fly it if needed. It's part of the tradition.
  • Dump it. It has negative connotations and 99 years of losing is enough.
  • Dump 'em both -- everyone can check results on cell phones/PDA's

  455 votes | Results

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If you're going to market the W flag

you can’t not have an L.

Put a product on the field that doesn’t lose all the time and it won’t be an issue.

The weather at Wrigley Field may change in an instant, but Aramis Ramirez is always steady in the clutch. - Associated Press (7/11/08)

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 12, 2008 6:49 PM CDT   0 recs

"The world is tough; results matter"

If they get rid of the flag and the Cubs lose, they still lose.

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Jul 12, 2008 6:51 PM CDT   0 recs

Get rid of it

We have a culture problem here where losing is acceptable. Results can be found anywhere – we don’t need to advertise a loss for the benefit of those taking the CTA.

Sorry, I don’t buy the tradition argument. It has also been tradition to not win the World Series every year, should we keep that one as well?

Current temperature in hell: 45 degrees F - and falling!

by wnielsen on Jul 12, 2008 6:52 PM CDT   0 recs

Not winning a World Series.

A tradition is something you do on purpose. I don’t think not winning a World Series is something the Cubs set out to do each spring as a matter of tradition.

by bikemonkey on Jul 12, 2008 7:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Right

And I’m also having trouble understanding how flying an L flag makes losing acceptable?

Maybe the Cubs should just refuse any press coverage after games that they’ve lost also.

by bluekoolaide on Jul 12, 2008 8:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm kind of surprised that no one at 35th & Shields

isn’t selling blue-and-white “L” T-shirts.

by ChipSet on Jul 12, 2008 7:11 PM CDT   0 recs

Actually

I did see a sox fan carrying a small, dark blue L flag at the cell when the cubs were there. I smilled – - – -
It definitely was one of the more original things that I’ve seen from a south sider.

by slide on Jul 12, 2008 10:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

sorry for the double-negative

surprised that no one… is selling…

by ChipSet on Jul 12, 2008 7:12 PM CDT   0 recs

They'd sell well in Milly-walk-hey too.

"It’s like they have 40,000 players on one team. Forty thousand people want to be in the dugout slapping fives. ‘Passionate’ is an understatement. Fans like that are special." -- Giants LHP Alex Hinshaw on Wrigley Field

by northsider on Jul 12, 2008 7:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

My opinion

I think we should keep the “L” flag. I was one who depended on seeing the W or L when I was on my way home from work years ago—before the Internet and cell phones. I lived in Atlanta for too many years. One of the things I told people when they would ask about Wrigley was about how we had the W and L flags. As long as Wrigley is as it is, I say keep the tradition. It goes beyond us… it is part of how we describe Wrigley to our friends. It also helps Wrigley stand in its own league. I have had people tell me they’ve come here from Atlanta (or other places) and have specifically looked for the W or L flag.

JMO.

"I'm a Cubs fan. I'm very, very patient." -- from a Shoe cartoon.

by No Southern Belle on Jul 12, 2008 7:54 PM CDT   0 recs

Agreeed

I could have voted for either the second or third choice above.

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jul 13, 2008 4:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

with the way we are playing at home

we may not even need the L flag..

2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?

by Chanman25 on Jul 12, 2008 9:11 PM CDT   0 recs

I honestly had no idea that the "L" flag wasn't flown anymore...

...until I read this post. Seems to me that it is as much a tradition as the “W” flag.

I don’t see how you have one without the other. It’s not a reflection on the team or te fans…just an indication of what happened.

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow
From the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind
When my last remains go flying over the left-field wall
I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue

--Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Jul 12, 2008 10:39 PM CDT   0 recs

Ditto

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Jul 13, 2008 7:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This is just stupid to have a W without a L

And the poll is very weird. Should be YES or NO.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Jul 12, 2008 10:46 PM CDT   0 recs

Essentially, it is.

There are three “Yes” choices and two “No” choices. The results appear to be 96% “Keep it”. Do you think it would be any different if I’d just put “yes” or “no”?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 13, 2008 4:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Tradition

How many sports venues emulate Shakespeare’s Globe Theater?

It’s such an awesome concept to look up and be able to tell whether the tale of the day is a comedy or tragedy. Why, oh why, would you get rid of that?

My vote is to appease all parties and for the Cubs to simply not lose another game this season (or any other for that matter).

by WittyUserName on Jul 12, 2008 11:41 PM CDT   0 recs

Exactly

That’s pretty much the same mentality.

Recommended post….

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 13, 2008 7:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm one of the 4 percent who said 'Dump it"

Here’s why:

  • Not flying an “L” flag DOES inform people. They see a “W” flag, they know. They see no flag, they know.
  • Cosmetic changes matter. Look at all the NFL teams that have won or went to Super Bowls the same year as a major uniform renovation. Sometimes messing with tradition is a good thing. That doesn’t mean the Cubs should have bright orange uniforms, but it does allow for some changes.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and remember, half of them are stupider than that!

by DaBard on Jul 13, 2008 8:30 AM CDT   0 recs

Supporting data please?

The uniform changes have about as much effect as a goat or a black cat—or a flag.

Also, if it rains and there’s no flag, do the commuters know the game was played and completed? Since the intent of the flags was to inform, flying one but not the other is disingenuous.

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 13, 2008 8:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Data

1997 Broncos - Uniform change, Super Bowl champs
1999 Titans - Uniform AND Name change, Super Bowl runner-up
1998 Buccaneers – Uniform change. Consistent playoff team.

2008 Tampa Bay Rays—Name change. Best record in baseball

Changing the culture of losing matters.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and remember, half of them are stupider than that!

by DaBard on Jul 13, 2008 11:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ouch!

I don’t necessarily disagree with you – see my post below – but the Rays DO NOT have the best record in baseball. Some other team does. I think they’re from some place called Chicago.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 13, 2008 11:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Fine...

They went from never winning more than 70 to being on pace to win 90-95. Better?

Rays have lost 6 straight and STILL lead the mighty Red Sox and Yankees.

Changing the culture matters.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and remember, half of them are stupider than that!

by DaBard on Jul 13, 2008 11:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmm....

How many times did teams change uniforms and get worse? I suspect that’s true more than getting better.

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 13, 2008 8:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That is not supporting evidence

That is cherry-picking. Malice or incompetence, which is it?

Supporting evidence would have to take into account all seasons played in at least major-league baseball and how long the team has gone since a major uniform change, name change, or flag-flying change. It would not be an easy proposition to support, but since the proposition on its face seems pretty unlikely the burden of proof is on you to do it (especially in a sport like baseball, with its long regular season that yields results that can be relatively accurately predicted by both pundits and by PECOTA software that doesn’t give a hoot about uniform changes… football has a short and chaotic regular season, and has featured a lot of uniform changes in recent years—and three of your four cherry-picked examples are from the NFL).

If you can’t back it up legitimately, then believe as you will, but don’t expect to convince anyone else.

by aldimond on Jul 14, 2008 1:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm kinda ambivalent about this topic...

...but my gut reaction is to agree with DaBard’s first bullet. Celebrate wins with the “W” flag and let sleeping dogs and losses lie. If you know the game’s over and the “W” flag ain’t flyin’, you can probably put two and two together. There’s no need to emphasize a defeat.

I’m not sure about the second bullet, though I can’t help but look down south at Tampa Bay when I think of cosmetic changes to a baseball team. I know, I know…small sample (and the Rays are struggling at the moment). But still…new name, new unis, new attitude.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 13, 2008 10:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1
Not flying an "L" flag DOES inform people. They see a "W" flag, they know. They see no flag, they know.

This is the point that seems to get missed….the L flag itself serves no purpose, if there isnt a W, that means they lost, plain and simple.

by JB 23 on Jul 13, 2008 5:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

then again, there's off days...

....as well as the days they take down all the flags because of high winds. So no flag doesn’t necessarily mean a loss.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 13, 2008 6:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Good point...

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue.

--Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Jul 13, 2008 6:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I also think it's important...

... to fly the flag, either W or L, to let EVERYONE know what happened. People pass by the park who aren’t necessarily baseball fans. If there’s no flag, they might think there hasn’t been a game that day. But if there’s a W or L flag, EVERYONE knows the result. If there is NO flag (under the current situation), then there hasn’t been a home game.

Hope that makes sense.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 13, 2008 7:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Al, just wondering

If this feedback will get to the team. I’ve sent a couple of e-mails to fanfeedback@cubs.com, but I suspect they’re going to do whatever they want, anyway. Kind of like “theme music” for a relief pitcher that doesn’t want it.

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 13, 2008 9:00 AM CDT   0 recs

that e-mail address

is probably for feedback to the website. I doubt it gets anywhere close to Wrigley Field.
The best bet would be to call Wrigley directly, where you are talking to the secretary at the park. You then want to ask for a member of the marketing staff, or someone like that. You might have to be creative in who you ask for, and your reason, because I doubt you’ll be able to talk to someone who is “high up on the totem pole”, as well as if your reason for calling is the L flag. Having said that, you still could probably have a meaningful conversation with someone you talk to about it that might actually check out the site and/or bring it up at the next meeting.
The Wrigley number is 773-404-CUBS
There also is a “Help/Contact Us” link on the way bottom of the Cubs site, and if you click the “other” link, your message might have a decent chance of getting to Wrigley.

Just a thought

by stadiumguru on Jul 13, 2008 9:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I can guarantee you this will get back to the team.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 13, 2008 4:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The "L" flag was flying today...

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue.

--Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Jul 13, 2008 4:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

really?

if so, that is great, I’m just always skeptical about what feedback a team says it receives, and what it really receives.

by stadiumguru on Jul 13, 2008 5:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

In this case...

... and you’ll simply have to take my word for it, this post and its comments WILL be read by management.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 13, 2008 7:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

awesome,

that’s good to know.

by stadiumguru on Jul 13, 2008 7:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I hope they see the original fanpost, too

And not because I posted it—because there were more posts and this one went off on a bit of a tangent. (I am NOT criticizing the posters here, just noting that more of the comments to the first one talked about reasons for/against keeping both flags.)

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 13, 2008 8:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

There's a link to your post in the post above.

I’ll make sure management sees that one, too.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 13, 2008 8:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

in that case...

I’m left-handed, I throw a pretty mean knuckleball, and I’m in better shape than Daryl Ward… I think…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 13, 2008 9:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Need a broadcaster? I'm your man! Consider me in the "farm system". ; )

"It’s like they have 40,000 players on one team. Forty thousand people want to be in the dugout slapping fives. ‘Passionate’ is an understatement. Fans like that are special." -- Giants LHP Alex Hinshaw on Wrigley Field

by northsider on Jul 13, 2008 10:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This is a silly issue and shouldn't even be discussed as a "tradition"

They fly both flags to indicate the result of the game… that’s the purpose of the flags. It’s as simple as that.

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Jul 13, 2008 9:26 AM CDT   0 recs

My post from August 17, 2007..it's still relevant

“White Flag” You know, that usually means “surrender.”
For the Cubs, it means—“W.”

I’ve always thought this has been backward—forever.

Why isn’t a BLUE flag, with a WHITE “W” the standard-bearer? Just because some guy thought of this idea in 1935, to tell L-riders and people who passed by the park if the Cubs won that day—it doesn’t mean the friggin’ concept can’t change?

After all, with today’s modern media, this quaint tradition is—well, dated??

Why must the Cubs raise a flag symbolic of the ‘universal signal of surrender” - after - WINNING????

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 13, 2008 10:49 AM CDT   0 recs

I think it used to be that way

Blue flag with white W. I think it was changed to match the overall Cubs home colors (white unis).

Current temperature in hell: 45 degrees F - and falling!

by wnielsen on Jul 13, 2008 11:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think it was changed

because combining “white” with “L” really did emphasize “surrender”.

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jul 13, 2008 12:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Reading too much into things

It’s a flag in the team’s colors indicating a game’s result. My opinion is that this was and still is a neat idea, and that now it is more than that, a link to the history of the Cubs at Wrigley and their connection to the neighborhood and to the greater city. But that’s just my opinion, who cares. The point is that they had this idea to fly these flags…

The team colors are white, blue, and red. Red and blue clash, so any non-hideous flags in the team colors would necessarily include white. If there are two flags it makes sense for them to have different-colored backgrounds, because that makes them easier to discern in windy conditions.

The only alternative to flying white in one of the two outcomes, given the constraints, is to fly a red-backgrounded flag on one of those days. Red is a very minor team color that invokes our rivals to the southwest more than it does us. Given that the universal symbol of surrender is a blank white flag, and that the game is decided before the flag is thrown, calling a white flag with a letter on it a surrender flag, whether flown after a win or a loss, is contrived and silly.

by aldimond on Jul 14, 2008 1:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I like it

because it is another thing at Wrigley that takes everyone back to a simplier time. (not to sound to sappy) Think about a 10 year old kid who has grown up their entire life with cell phones asking their parents what is the point of the W and L flags. It’s cool to think about a time when people were coming home on their way from work finding out if their team won or lost.

Lets do it Cubbies

by slocs55 on Jul 13, 2008 11:00 AM CDT   0 recs

My guess is...

The 10-year-old thinks it is moronic and wonders why they can’t just look it up on their Blackberry.

Tradition sucks. I’ve had 100 years of “tradition”

Think of how stupid the average person is, and remember, half of them are stupider than that!

by DaBard on Jul 13, 2008 11:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Really?

I bet that Tinker to Evers to Chance DP combo was a sight to see in person.

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue.

--Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Jul 13, 2008 6:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Those guys couldn't throw out half of today's runners

Today’s athlete is stronger, faster, better coordinated, more knowledgable about training and nutrition and overall superior.

Babe Ruth would be a poor man’s John Kruk today.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and remember, half of them are stupider than that!

by DaBard on Jul 13, 2008 6:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What?

Let me spell it out…you have NOT been around for 100 years of tradition…neither have I. I was making a snarky comment about your statement that you’ve “had 100 years of tradition.”

I concede the point that you see the “L” flag as a reflection of the Cubs’ losing ways. I suppose it’s asking too much for you to concede that many here don’t see them that way.

Also glad to see you have so much respect for those who have gone before. Ryne Sandberg would be proud.

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue.

--Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Jul 13, 2008 7:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I have a great deal of respect for those that have gone before

But I do not worship them at the expense of today’s player.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and remember, half of them are stupider than that!

by DaBard on Jul 14, 2008 6:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Since you aren't gracious enough to concede my point...

But instead want to go off on your tangent, good day to you sir.

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Jul 14, 2008 12:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You obviously don't have respect

for those that have gone before if you say “Babe Ruth would be a poor man’s John Kruk today.”

Have your own opinions but don’t be a flip-flopper

Lets do it Cubbies

by slocs55 on Jul 14, 2008 2:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LSA

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Jul 14, 2008 2:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

what does LSA mean?

Lets do it Cubbies

by slocs55 on Jul 14, 2008 3:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Loud Sustained Applause...thanks, Al!

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Jul 14, 2008 3:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I did know that,

needed the reminder, thanks!

Lets do it Cubbies

by slocs55 on Jul 14, 2008 3:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If they're taught to gather information and learn

they won’t answer like that. They will ask questions first.

And if the adult responds with an answer like that, they it they who are moronic.

My dad used to take the streetcar to Wrigley when he was a young lad. If he brought a HR ball back to the ballyard (then they didn’t even have the 2nd deck built yet), he got in free.

The thing you call “tradition” is actually just a shitty team for waaaaay too long. The ball yard had nothing to do with it; the lack of quality players did, however.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Jul 15, 2008 12:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Night games

Used to be an untouchable tradition as well. Never mind that our players were jet-lagged and playing in the heat of the day while everyone else let it cool off a bit.

The materials for lights at Wrigley were actually purchased in the 1940s, but then had to be used for the war effort—Source, George Will’s “Bunts.”

Somehow, it became quaint to be a small little team with the Baby Bear name and the tiny ballpark and the drunk announcer and the inept team.

Quaint is for losers.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and remember, half of them are stupider than that!

by DaBard on Jul 13, 2008 11:07 AM CDT   0 recs

While we're at it...

...let’s get rid of that “quaint” hand-operated scoreboard becuase, well, a video screen would provide more information to the fans.

And heck, get rid of the ivy because padded outfield walls would be easier to maintain and safer for the outfielders.

I live in Tampa Bay, and believe me when I tell you that the recent winning streak has brought a bunch of johnny-come-lately fans who are desperate to find ANY kind of tradition to call their own (cowbells have become what the ThunderStix were to the Angels in 2002).

The Rays fans couldn’t believe how many Cub fans turned out for the three games here in Tampa. It was the highest 3-day weekday draw in the history of the Trop.

Respectfully, many people come to see the park and the experience as much as the team (and have for many years), and that is one of the reasons that we can afford to put a winning team on the field. It’s also the reason we’re NOT the White Sox.

Keep the “L” flag flying!

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind.
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue.

--Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Jul 13, 2008 11:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We've always been able to afford it

If you told me tearing down the ivy would produce a World Series, I’d set fire to the stuff.

NOTHING is more important than a championship. A good experience is a winning one.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and remember, half of them are stupider than that!

by DaBard on Jul 13, 2008 2:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's where you and I differ...

I’m a Cub fan because my parents and grandparents were Cub fans. It was the place I have happy memories of being a kid and spending time with my family. I believe that part of what makes this franchise worth watching is that the experience is the same as the one my grandparents experienced. FYI, I go back to the ‘70s (my first glove was a Bill Madlock Signature model).

Take away the Wrigley traditions, and you might as well root for the White Sox. After all, they won it all in 2005, and as you say NOTHING is more important than a championship. Although I will agree that winning is better than losing.

And when the franchise was drawing 5000 per game (not THAT long ago), we definitely were not a competitive ballclub with teams like the Yankees and Dodgers in the ‘70s and ‘80’s.

All I’m saying is respect those that went before you…and have some perspective. No reason we can’t have traditions AND a World Series.

The “L” flag hasn’t caused a championship drought, a lack of talent and mental toughness certainly has. I think we’ve got that covered this year.

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue.

--Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Jul 13, 2008 4:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LSA

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 13, 2008 5:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

5,000 per game

Was that when we were playing the “sacred” games during the day?

Guess what? MOST PEOPLE WORK FOR A LIVING DURING THE DAY!

It used to be tradition that black people couldn’t play in the majors too.

Some traditions deserve to be taken out behind the barn and beaten to death. This is one of them.

You know who celebrates losing? Losers.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and remember, half of them are stupider than that!

by DaBard on Jul 13, 2008 6:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Shouting doesn't make your points any stronger...

As you’ll see below, I understand where you are coming from. I just don’t happen to agree that a flag has anything to do with celebrating losing. It’s just a statement of fact.

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue.

--Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Jul 13, 2008 6:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Flip-flopping again

“We’ve always been able to afford it ” and then in your next post you reference 5,000 people per game.

Which is it?

Lets do it Cubbies

by slocs55 on Jul 14, 2008 2:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LSA^2

That’s squared, not times 2.

Well said, though now after reading your signature, I’ll have to look into my beer before each sip at my next game….

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Jul 15, 2008 1:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs