Some Days... Cubs 2, Giants 4
If the Cubs' attempted comeback in the 9th inning today -- they did manage to get the tying run on base with one out -- had been successful, I'd have thrown up my hands in amazement, and there's already been a sufficient amount of amazement in this so-far-wonderful season.
They didn't, and you know what? Some days the other guy is just better than you. When facing a pitcher as good as Tim Lincecum -- and he had one of his better days today, giving up six hits and striking out nine -- you have very little margin for error, either, as Jack Brickhouse used to say, errors of commission or errors of omission, and the Cubs made just enough mistakes to result in a a 4-2 loss to the Giants, which, oddly, didn't feel quite as bad as yesterday's win.
Strange, I know. Here's where the game turned: on Mark DeRosa's ill-advised attempt to scoop Lincecum's sinking liner with a runner on first and one out in a scoreless game in the top of the third inning. Most other runners would have circled the bases for an inside-the-park HR as the ball went all the way to the wall, but Lincecum was held up with an RBI triple. It could have been charged an error (of "commission"), but wasn't, since DeRo never touched the ball. After a walk, a stolen base and a popup, the second error -- this one of omission -- happened.
There's no way Ryan Dempster should have pitched to Ray Durham. It wasn't a favorable matchup, Durham had had a good series so far (4-for-9 with a walk and two runs scored before today); Lou should have ordered him intentionally walked. Yes, in the third inning, because that early in the game, down 1-0 to a pitcher as good as Lincecum, you've got to keep the damage to a minimum. With the bases loaded and the unbelievably slow Bengie Molina due up next, you've got a real good shot at a forceout to end the inning.
Instead, Durham ran the count full and singled in two runs. The Cubs got one back on Jim Edmonds' double following a DeRosa walk, but that was it till Dempster got into trouble in the seventh, allowing the fourth and final run.
That set up a possible rally in the last of the 8th -- two singles brought Aramis Ramirez to bat with one out, and today's giveaway was a blue T-shirt with A-Ram's name and number on the back. Perhaps you saw virtually everyone in the bleachers waving the shirts, a sea of Cubbie blue -- very cool sight. Unfortunately, this time A-Ram had no drama for us, hitting into a double play.
Chad Gaudin showed us today why Jim Hendry and Lou Piniella wanted him so badly -- he threw two solid scoreless innings, keeping the team in the game till the bottom of the ninth, when a walk to Edmonds and two singles, including one by Geovany Soto as a pinch-hitter (thank you, Lou, for giving him the day off from catching today!) generated the second run, and brought up Daryle Ward, who's been so good as a pinch-hitter this year. He took two very close pitches after 0-2, both called balls, and then watched strike three go right down the center of the plate. Ryan Theriot grounded out to end the game... but give this team credit for at least getting that tying run on base in the 9th against one of the league's better closers, Brian Wilson, who was throwing 98 MPH and who, with today's save, passed Kerry Wood to take over the league lead with 25.
Wood, for his part, won't pitch in the All-Star Game, resting his blistered finger (an excellent idea), and has been replaced by Carlos Marmol, giving the Cubs a record-tying eight All-Stars. Now, only four, maybe five (Kosuke Fukudome, Soto, Ramirez, Carlos Zambrano and Marmol) will play, since Wood isn't available, and neither is Alfonso Soriano, and with a 118-pitch outing today, neither will Dempster. It seems very likely -- since Lincecum threw 116 pitches today, and Brandon Webb also pitched today -- that Zambrano, who last pitched on Wednesday and who won't go until at least next Saturday or Sunday, could be the starter for the National League on Tuesday. The choice of Marmol is odd, with Lou wanting him to rest and his poor June and July, but wouldn't it be even odder if he got his act back on track throwing an inning in the All-Star Game?
The old saw "You can't win 'em all" is so true today -- the Cubs ran into a really good pitcher and he beat 'em. It happens. They finish the first half with a 37-12 home record and remain 4.5 games in first place. Really, could we ask for better than this, at this moment in time?
Today, BCB reader drewishdruid and his lovely bride joined us, with their sign (did any of you spot it? They were holding it up at every inning break), along with BCB reader nside and his family, up from Indiana. They got nice weather and nice company, even with no victory. We move on to the second half after all of us take a much-needed break, with high hopes for the rest of this season. It's been wonderful. Hang on for the rest of the ride -- the best is yet to come.
I'll open threads for the Home Run Derby tomorrow and, of course, the game on Tuesday night.
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Favorite Game - 'The Sandberg game" June 23, 1984
by Cub Fan Mike on Jul 13, 2008 4:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Chad Gaudin to be our 8th inning guy?
I can see Gaudin being our 8th inning guy until Marmol figures himself out.
Howry – 7th
Gaudin – 8th
Wood – 9th
He looked real solid.
Favorite Game - 'The Sandberg game" June 23, 1984
by Cub Fan Mike on Jul 13, 2008 5:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you...
Marmol is basically still a kid…take some of the pressure off and let him breathe down the stretch.
If Harden stays healthy, Hendry may have to serve some additional time on that grand larceny sentence from 2003.
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue.
--Steve Goodman
by NotSure on Jul 13, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully
Starters can get past the 6th inning now and then, negating the need for 3 relievers to throw 3 innings.
"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979
by danimal15 on Jul 14, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not in my
nest dream did i think realistically we would be where we are at the ASB. best 1st half of the season of my life and god did I enjoy. half a nice lil vacation cubs and lets do it again this weekend. maybe getting ourselves homefield advantage will help.
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by cubsluver22 on Jul 13, 2008 5:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Al for the long view...
Sometimes you have to say “good game” to the other guys and move forward.
Certainly didn’t think the three best records would be in the NL Central at the beginning of this season.
Keep pushing forward, and remember that the wild card will likely come out of this division or the East.
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue.
--Steve Goodman
by NotSure on Jul 13, 2008 5:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the Recap, Al
and you emphasize what I stated yesterday. Gaudin SHOULD have pitched more than an inning yesterday to save our ‘pen.
It was a BS game Lou managed. It happens – and I am still a big supporter – but sometimes I just scratch my head with the things he misses (which is still WAY ahead of Dusty).
by The E-Man on Jul 13, 2008 5:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ward's at bat
Al, the called third strike wasn’t even close to “right down the middle” as you state in your recap. It was several inches off the outside corner. I wasn’t able to follow the game too closely today, so I don’t know if the ump had been calling that a strike all day or not. But it most definitely was not over the plate.
by kanderber on Jul 13, 2008 5:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sure looked like Ward should have swung at that one.
But I’ll take your word for it.
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by Al on Jul 13, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dead on
That pitch was a good 4-6 inches off the corner. I was irate as I watched on the tube, but he had been giving a bit of the corner, and in 2-strike mode Ward can’t watch it go by.
Still, it was a HUGE pitch when taken in context.
by justpassinthru on Jul 13, 2008 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It appeared to be close enough that Ward should have at least tried to foul it off.
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by Al on Jul 13, 2008 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looked like it caught the corner to me
on the replay. Live, I thought it might have been a ball.
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 13, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The pitch before that was near identical
And it was a ball. Thats just the way it works though.
by GoCubbies34 on Jul 13, 2008 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tip your hat to Wilson on that pitch
It was 98 m.p.h. and painted the corner. Debatable whether or not it was a strike. Unless Ward was looking for 98 m.p.h. right on the outside corner that pitch was not hittable.
by gocubsgo22 on Jul 14, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wilson's a really good pitcher.
Just like facing Lincecum, facing Wilson can be really tough.
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by Al on Jul 14, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I thought at least one, maybe two of the balls to Ward were closer to strikes than the called third strike.
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by Bump Bailey on Jul 13, 2008 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you have two strikes you better expand your strike zone
The pitch was WAY too close to take.
I love D Ward but if your main role with the team is to PH, you can’t keep your bat on your shoulder on a pitch that close.
by AlabamaCubFan on Jul 14, 2008 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lincecum definitely brought his stuff
he’s a lot of fun to watch, although I’d much prefer to watch him against any team other than the Cubs. It looks like our boys are a mite on the tired side—and after a first half like this one it’s quite understandable. The ASB couldn’t come at a better time.
Can’t wait to see what the second half brings! What a season this is.
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jul 13, 2008 5:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It was
a frustrating game, but Lincecum is their ace for a reason.
Anyone see the sign? I’m about go ff through my TIVO…
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2008 6:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
bah.
denied on the TV. Oh, well.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
look here:
I think maybe it was too complicated.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 14, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to disagree....
DWard hasnt been “good” pinch hitting this year, he’s only 3-25 in that role(11-26 when he starts). Granted, he has 8 walks as well, but I think he’s been a major dissapointment so far this year. Let’s hope he’s fully recovered from the injury and picks it up in the 2nd half.
And, yeah, Lincecum’s a stud. No doubt about it.
I think a LOT of teams need this ASB, Cubbies included. Good that we have that off day on Thursday as well.
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 13, 2008 6:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
pinch hitting
pinch hitting is always a one-off thing some years the stats look bad for some pinch hitters, but I still think Ward is the Cubs best pinch hitter.
by jeff_pico on Jul 13, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely...as do I.
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 13, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Ward has been good pinch-hitting this year.
You forgot about the eight pinch-walks. That makes his OBA as a pinch-hitter .333 (3 hits, 8 walks in 33 PA).
Looks a little bit better now, doesn’t it?
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by Al on Jul 13, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(I mentioned the walks)
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 13, 2008 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, you did.
But you implied that he was a bad pinch-hitter. I’d say a .333 OBA as a pinch-hitter is just fine.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 13, 2008 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But last year...
...he was 11-41, with 11 walks…..that’s over .500. The year before, 21-60 with 10 walks, again, over .500.
So he’s not having a DWard type of year, I guess I should have said.
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 13, 2008 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay, fuzzy math...
.....nevermind….you’re right
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 13, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
can i just take this all back...
and say I love DWard? :)
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 13, 2008 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True that.
But there’s half a season left to get to that point.
And are you calculating those OBA’s adding the walk total to the AB total? If not, then he had 22 times on base in 52 PA in 2007, .423 OBA, and in 2006, 31 times on base in 70 PA, .443.
Very good, but not over .500.
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by Al on Jul 13, 2008 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
read above, you're right....
I didn’t count walks in there. Here’s hoping he gets hot the 2nd half. :)
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 13, 2008 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fantasy vs Reality
Today was a tough one as I had Lincecum on my fantasy team, but I gotta say, I dont think there is another pitcher in the league I enjoy watching as much as him….hes unreal, that wind up/lean/long stride is amazing…..its too bad for the Giants sake they dont have too many legit hitting prospects, Cain, Sanchez and Lincecum could be in for some lean years.
No point to this post I guess, other than to express my admiration for Lincecum…so while enduring a Cubs loss, I had fun watching Lincecum pitch
But hey 19 games over .500 at the ASB, never wouldve imagined that
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jul 13, 2008 6:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Turning Point
I finally got a chance to watch most of a game, with the Sunday paper ready between innings. DeRosa was trying to make a big play in the 3rd but missed it, which is why I’d rather see him at 2B than the outfield. It’s difficult to say how close the throw would have been to getting Vizquel at home if he had fielded it cleanly, though keeping the hitter (Lincecum) at first would have helped.
The turning point was the prior batter, Mr. ‘oh-my hitting 150’ Vizquel. Dempster had him flailing to a count of 0-2, and then proceeds to give him a “meat” pitch, nice fastball over the plate. He had him set up for his sinker/slider and could have thrown a few in the dirt. Without Vizquel on base, Lincecum gets a single and is ready for a double play opportunity. With the way Lincecum was pitching, the Cubs may still have not scored enough for a W, but they could have avoided a big 3 run inning.
[PS Anybody else think Brenly could use a few days off as well? His babble quotient is getting high.]
Pie, Fontenot, Theriot and Soto up the middle ... yippie oh, oh, oh!
by SpudV on Jul 13, 2008 6:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What really gets me...
...were the two steals in the inning where nobody was covering second base. Blanco had a chance at getting Vizquel if someone at least moves to cover the bag at some point; I didn’t get to see the Lewis steal so I can’t be sure about that one.
by cwyers on Jul 13, 2008 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vizquel could have been the 2nd out
I completely agree with you… this was the turning point in the game. You’re just a tad off on your facts though. Vizquel would have been the second out so there was no double play in order if Lincecum singled.
Very unfortunate turn of events. Dempster mowed down the first 7 then gives up hits to a couple of .150 hitters and 3 runs later the game is essentially over. It looked to me like Dempster fought through the rest of the game from this point. I think the misplay by Derosa or the allowing of the 2 hits affected him for the rest of the game.
by lohroffc on Jul 13, 2008 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
you’re right about it being two outs. The inning felt like it went so long I assumed it would have been one out.
As far as nobody covering the base on Vizquel’s steal (cwyers), Dempster did a poor job of holding the runners for the most part. It would have been a close play if Blanco had thrown, though Hank seemed to have a bad day throwing. Usually it’s one of his strengths, but today he was off.
Pie, Fontenot, Theriot and Soto up the middle ... yippie oh, oh, oh!
by SpudV on Jul 13, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They showed a replay from behind the backstop.
Blanco had time to make a throw and at least attempt to catch Vizquel, but there was nobody at the bag to throw to so he just ate the ball.
by cwyers on Jul 13, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marmol--All Star Game
could it be Lou wants him there as a boost of confidence and requested he be put on the team?
I'm a reader not a poster, but I'm also a poster so don't get any ideas.
by cozmotaylor123 on Jul 13, 2008 6:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He was the pitcher with the next highest player vote total
...I’m sure Lou would prefer he stayed home.
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 13, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
strike 3 on ward was not down the middle
I was in the same place on the plate as ball 2, just a bit lower. Game day shows this very clearly. While I understand the tracking system may be calibrated incorrectly, it wouldn’t be different from one pitch to the next. Pitches 4 and 5 could have both gone either way. With 2 strikes I’d have liked to see Ward at least try to foul those off.
by lohroffc on Jul 13, 2008 7:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not to pile on to poor Marmol, but.......
has a brief trip to IOWA been mentioned??? Is an option to AAA possible? He could try getting it together down there—heck, maybe even START him a few games to get the kinks out, let him go 2-3 innings. Just a thought.
I hope he doesn’t appear in the ASG. I remember, as a kid, watching the 1983 All Star Game. A young, promising pitcher for the Giants, Atlee Hammaker, got absolutely LIT UP for 7ER in 2/3 inning… he gave up 6 hits & 2 HRs, including a Grand Slam to Fred Lynn—he was never the same. I am just picturing something like this…. of course, I’m nervous.
by nervousCUBlover on Jul 13, 2008 7:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hammaker's failure wasn't because of that grand slam.
It was because he kept getting hurt.
Incidentally, 25 years later that is STILL the only grand slam in an All-Star Game.
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by Al on Jul 13, 2008 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Y'know, I never thought I'd write this...
...but a Triple A stint for Marmol may not be a bad idea – especially with the arrival of Gaudin. Carlos simply has got to figure out how to spot his fastball better. I think the league has finally adjusted to his slider to the point where even lackluster hitting teams like the Giants can lay off it, wait for a fastball and BOOM.
If he could start busting guys inside and painting the outside corner with his fastball, his slider could very well go back to being the out pitch that it once was. Seriously, he shouldn’t be going to New York, he should be going to DesMoines! In fact, maybe Marmol and Wuertz could get a place together while they work out their respective pitches: Carlos’s fastball and Michael’s slider.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 14, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have bunk beds...
...in my basement, though I can’t guarantee there won’t be any water if it rains.
Help me Obi-ONEDEC. You're our only hope.
by IowaCubs- on Jul 14, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
on walking Durham. While Lou should have been aware that Durham is a notorious Cub-killer, obviously he isn’t.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.
by Matt Allison on Jul 13, 2008 7:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Durham
with any luck Durham won’t be traded to any potential teams the Cubs might meet in the playoffs :)
by jeff_pico on Jul 13, 2008 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rumor heard, unfortunately, on this.
The Brewers are interested in Durham.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 13, 2008 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cub-killaz?
I’m pretty sure the notion of “Cub killers” is hooey. These days there isn’t very much continuity from year to year in terms of any team’s pitchers and defenders. Durham’s career is now in its 14th year. The Cubs of 2008 bear no resemblance whatsoever to the Cubs of 1995 except for the jerseys they wear, their home field, and maybe some members of the grounds crew or something. So you’re expecting me to believe that Durham performs better when playing against guys wearing Cubs jerseys. This proposition is absurd on its face; its maker should have the burden of proving or disproving it to us all.
But I’m feeling less lazy than usual today: OH SNAP. Turns out Ray is hitting slightly better against the Cubs than against other teams, with a tOPS+ of 109. But that’s not exceptional, really; he’s better than or equal to that against Cincinnati, Cleveland, Detroit, Houston, Kansas City, Pittsburgh, and Tampa. The 9% Cub-uniform advantage looks more like noise than signal to me. And because he was in the AL for the first half of his career and inter-league play didn’t start until 1997, in his first two big-league seasons, two of his weakest offensive seasons by OPS+, he wouldn’t have played the Cubs at all. So the 9% Cub-uniform advantage is probably overstating things a little anyway.
If you, justifiably, do not accept my laziness in taking any number as the One True Number of Offense, especially one derived from unweighted OPS, feel free to justify your ridiculous Cub-uniform advantage theory with more specific evidence.
by aldimond on Jul 14, 2008 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I don’t buy that any more than you do, because of player movement. I, however, WAS feeling too lazy.
Good job.
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 14, 2008 6:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say
that the Cubs are the only team he hits well against. But his BA against the Cubs is higher than it is against the majority of MLB. But thanks for the verbiage and stats showing my tossed-off observation was correct.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.
by Matt Allison on Jul 14, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One last time for a cheap way of getting people to read my post
But I really want to hear peoples thoughts on the first half of the season, you wont see me do this again, this is the last time, but I posted at a bad time where it all got drowned out last night, check it out here I just want to see what the overall consensus is.
Now as far as todays game, well Lincecum beat us fair and square, derosa coulda made that play or played it safe but were ok, happy allstar break!
"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes
by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 13, 2008 7:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
dude, you're #2 on the recommended fanpost list!
true, you got beat out by a bunch of minor leaguers, ;-) but still…
Your literary work has scaled the heights of BCB blogdom that so few of us ever reach. I look forward to your next Floyd interpretive post, right around time the Cardinals come to town. Suggested title…
...wait for it…
Us and Them
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 13, 2008 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cant tell if that was sarcasm or serious
"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes
by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 13, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
certainly not sarcasm
Outside of the minor league wraps, not that many fanposts get recommended enough to earn a promotion to the prime real estate up top. Yours did. So I don’t quite get why you’re thinking your fanpost got ‘drowned out last night’ when in fact, it has floated to the surface and is getting maximum visibility, multiple plugs notwithstanding.
It’s a good post and the comments have been positive – you ought to be pleased that others think enough of it to recommend it.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 13, 2008 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or, from "The Wall"
“The Happiest Days Of Our Lives”, although that might be worth saving for when we win the WS.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jul 13, 2008 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
record-tying?
perhaps technically speaking, Marmol getting added to the all-star roster makes eight Cubs, but seeing as how he’s replacing a Cub (Kerry Wood), is it really eight?
This has the makings of a Escher-like logic puzzle. If a non-Cub pitcher was hurt, and Marmol added – sure, that makes eight. And just because Wood is hurt, that doesn’t mean he should lose his designation as an all-star, so he still counts. But somehow a Cub replacing a Cub doesn’t seem like a +1 situation here. Can someone weigh in here and convince me one way or the other?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 13, 2008 8:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Both injured Cubs were selected to the team.
They’re All-Stars, whether they can play or not.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 13, 2008 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow! CC went the distance....
and had to wait 3 1/2 hours for the post game spread of bacon sandwiches, That had to hurt
by Employee22 on Jul 13, 2008 8:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We went 4-3 the last seven games
doesn’t look all that great. But when you look at the pitchers we faced it looks a little better: Lincecum(twice), Cueto, Harang, Arroyo, Cain, Correia.
by Imtrejo on Jul 13, 2008 8:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, the Cubs are 5-2 in their last seven games.
4-2 on the homestand, won the last game in St. Louis.
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by Al on Jul 13, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And they only faced Lincecum once
in their last seven. If you go back to the start of the series in SF, they’re 8-5, including two starts each against Lincecum and Cain.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 13, 2008 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And won two series.
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by Bump Bailey on Jul 13, 2008 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My observations from today...
1. Dempster pitched a “pretty good” game, but made a few mistakes (Vizquel’s hit, Durham’s hit—both on fat pitches). Probably good enough to win against an ordinary pitcher.
2. For all of the time that Fontenot and Theriot have played together, they don’t seem to have the mental coordination down. Several times (not just today) they have been confused on who is covering on a steal, not had a “cut-off” man on a potential 1st-and-3rd double steal (remember the steal of home?), both gone out on a pop-up leaving the bag uncovered, etc. This is my final plea to Lou: You cannot keep playing musical chairs in the middle infield. DeRo is the leader out there; Riot relies on him. It shows when everyone moves around.
3. DeRo looks exhausted, both physically and mentally. He is missing good pitches, the sign of a tired bat; and he is making more mistakes defensively, the sign of a tired mind. The ASB will do him a world of good, but Lou can’t keep moving him around and expect him to have a great second half.
4. Dome looks exhausted, and he’s definitely pressing. A drop in the batting order (and more off days) would probably help him. Lou has such tunnel vision on having a LHB at the top of the order that he is hurting Dome.
5. Edmonds was much better the last two days after getting a day off. RJ needs to spell him more often in the second half, even against RHP.
6. I’m extremely concerned about the amount of games Soto has played. Better-rested catchers have been known to have bad second halves.
7. Although I believe that Marmol deserves the AS berth, he desparately needs more rest in the second half.
8. Is Ronny Cedeno still on the team?
In short, I think that Lou was so determined to get off to a good start that he went to the whip on April 2nd. It shows with the way he has ridden Marmol, Soto, Edmonds while RJ was out, and DeRo. He also tried tweaking the rotation to get Z and Demp extra starts that weren’t really needed—the extra rest would have been a greater benefit. Hopefully, Lou will back off just a bit after the ASB and just let the guys get into a good rhythm.
Enjoy the break everybody!
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jul 13, 2008 9:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You're so right about Dome.
He has not hit well since he was moved out of the 5 spot. Odd, isn’t it? So many of us wanted him moved up, to #1 or #2, but maybe he is better suited lower in the order.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 13, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm starting to wonder the same thing
the traditional lineup model dictates that your #5 hitter ought to be a slugger/RBI guy and that’s about the only thing Dome wasn’t doing when he was in the #5 spot – hence our clamor to move him up. But if Soto continues to mash the ball like he has, then those power numbers would be far greater than expected for a #6 hitter. So if Dome goes back to 5 and Soto hits 6, the net result could be a very good thing.
It’s kinda like the whole Grace/Ryno thing – everyone got on Grace for not being a slugger in a power position, but forgot we had a 30HR guy playing 2B, normally the realm of slap hitters…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 13, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
That does raise the question: who bats second when Soriano comes back. (I know, the answer is likely “Theriot”, which isn’t going to please anyone here.)
That means Edmonds would hit 7th and DeRosa 8th. If you have someone like Mark DeRosa hitting 8th, you’ve got a pretty damn good lineup.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 13, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, during one of the recent Riot "love-fests"... ;-)
somebody made the case that Theriot’s offensive profile (high average/obp, almost no power, and not really a SB threat) would be exhibit A for the case of batting the pitcher 8th and him 9th. So with that in mind…
Soriano, DeRosa, Lee, ARam, Dome, Soto, Edmonds, P, Theriot.
Something tells me DeRosa would really really really excel in this scenario…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 13, 2008 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
Theriot hits over .300, I would like him 7th or 8th but not behind the pitcher
"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes
by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 13, 2008 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not so much him being behind the pitcher as much as it'd be him in front of Soriano
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 13, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea i think we were talking about this during the game thread
I see what your saying, it would be nice to see Soriano getting more RBIs that way
"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes
by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 13, 2008 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just read your post from february about helpin out the troops
How did that or is that going for ya?
"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes
by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 13, 2008 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny you should ask...
I’m working on an update which I hope to post in the next few days. Had a few missteps along the way and didn’t get many responses to start with but the connections I did make and the feedback I got from the soldiers was very special.
I’ve gotten quite a few balls since then, not just from the Cubs but from several of the visiting teams. So in addition to issuing a Round Two request here, I plan to test the power of SBNation and reach out to the other team sites that I have balls for and see what kind of response I get.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 13, 2008 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ballhawk,
what project are you working on for the soldiers?
by nmcubsfan on Jul 14, 2008 6:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the link from my original fanpost
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2008/2/12/115915/287
Basically it goes like this. I get an address (APO, rehab hospital, etc.) of a Cubs fan/soldier that’s serving in harm’s way and I send them a baseball I’ve caught that was hit out of Wrigley Field. As the season has progressed, I’ve managed to catch some hit by other teams so for the next phase, in addition to the Cubs, I’m going to try and see if I can repeat the process with fan/soldiers from those other teams who are also serving in harm’s way. I figure the SBNation sites are the best way to reach out – yes, that means I’m going to go into mini-harm’s way and venture forth onto the other BCB… ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 14, 2008 6:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats awesome what your doing
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 14, 2008 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool, I’m Army reserve deployed here in Kuwait. don’t know any soldiers here that are cubs fans, but I’ll keep a eye out and let you know. I’ve seen a couple of cubs hats running around, but it’s hard to see who’s fans or not when we all wear ACU’s. There is definitely some cardinal fans down the hall, they have a big cardinal flag hanging from the ceiling. It’s on the way to the latrine, and everytime I see it i want to rip it down, but that wouldn’t be nice over here. Last thing I need is a bunch of angry cardinal’s fans tracking me down! lol…......I got to see the team in Mesa before I left and that was so cool. I had a great time. My next plan is to catch a game at wrigley. It’ll be my first cub game there. I’ve seen them play at atlanta last year when I was at Ft Gordon. That’s really cool what your doing ballhawk, that’s really a nice gesture for the guys up north.
by nmcubsfan on Jul 14, 2008 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Cardinals banner is in the right place:
on the way to the latrine. [Joking :-) ]
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 14, 2008 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Kuwait counts too
I know I said Iraq and Afghanistan in my original post, but don’t let my feeble grasp of world politics and geography stop you – Kuwait’s close enough. Like I told ClarkFan44, send me your mailing address info when you get a chance and I’ll send you back a baseball hit out of Wrigley Field this year. Send to “vangeloff (at) hotmail (dot) com”.
St. Louis hasn’t made it to Wrigley yet this year so I can’t help your Cardinal comrades in arms, but I will wrap your ball in a Jay Mariotti column which you can give them. Reading Mariotti will make them feel like they’re home again reading Bernie Miklasz – peas in a pod, those two… ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 14, 2008 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ballhawk ... Awesome Stuff
I’m an Army Reservist out of Fort Wayne, Ind currently serving in Kandahar, Afghanistan. It’s actually my second tour here, I was in the exact same place in 2004 – 2005.
I am an absolute die hard Cubbie fan and it’s killing me to be over here having to “watch” via espn or yahoo … especially with how well we’re doing !! I returned home last time on May 5th and I was at Wrigley by May 8th … can’t wait to do it again next summer.
I’ve been lucky enough to be stationed on a huge airfield, so i have internet in the room … which has enabled me to follow the season on BCB … what an awesome site !! Thank you AL and everyone else for what you guys do !!
I’m not saying i “need” a baseball … but one would might go pretty nice next to my D Lee figure and Lou Piniella baseball card, which are right where they belong, next to pics of the girlfriend …
plus it might be good to rub it in to my roomate … who is from wisconsin and is a brewers fan …. of all teams !!
Once again, thanks to everyone at BCB and all of you … you help keep me in the loop …. and lets go CUBBIES !!!
SGT Nick Pease
"Ryno for President 08"
by ClarkFan44 on Jul 14, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you and nmcubsfan
for your service. I appreciate your dedication and sacrifice for our country.
GO CUBS!!!
Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.
by sue369 on Jul 14, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
couldn't have said it better
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jul 14, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here, Here!!
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jul 14, 2008 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't even begin to imagine what it must be like over there
but it’s probably safe to say there’s a ton of things you “need” to do every day, “need” to watch out for, “need” to be aware of, “need” to be responsible for, etc. etc. So with all that “needing” going on, I think it’s perfectly okay to “want” something every now and then. And if it’s a baseball hit out of Wrigley Field you want, it’s a baseball hit out of Wrigley Field you’re gonna get.
When you get a chance, send your mailing address info to “vangeloff (at) hotmail (dot) com”, and I’ll send you a little piece of the 2008 season as soon as I can – wrapped in a Tribune sports section, of course.
I’ve got a few balls from the Brewers this year too, so tell your roommate to send his particulars my way too – but I’ll wait a week or so before I send his out so you get a chance to rub it in for awhile.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 14, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha, that's a great plan. You are a cool guy, ballhawk.
"It’s like they have 40,000 players on one team. Forty thousand people want to be in the dugout slapping fives. ‘Passionate’ is an understatement. Fans like that are special." -- Giants LHP Alex Hinshaw on Wrigley Field
by northsider on Jul 14, 2008 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Playing Rf in Wrigley isn't easy.
DeRosa was Ok the days before. I think playing RF today took all he got and he suffered at the plate.
Fukodome is tired and started to rest today. However, he is having trouble hitting lefties and that is something that goes beyond his tired condition at present. He is stepping away while swinging at breaking balls that cut the outside corner when thrown by lefties. He needs to stay with those pitches by stepping forward when he swings (like Ichiro, or better yet, he should stand still). He should move to his right after he swings, not while doing it. The pitchers found Fukudome’s weakness and he needs to adjust.
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 13, 2008 9:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely.
The key to any major leaguer’s success is making adjustments. I think Dome is smart enough to do that, but he needs the time off for mental rest, if nothing else. He won’t get it till Wednesday, but at least he has that time.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 13, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone mentioned here the other day...
Maybe it was Dragon; that one year in Japan, Dome slumped badly, and didn’t get a hit in 47 at bats, but then ended up winning the batting title. Just thought I’d thow that out here.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jul 13, 2008 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SportsCenter: Oops.
Whoever is narrating the Top Plays said “Miguel Cabrera covers a lot of ground, makes the catch.” This team is not the Tigers. It’s the Astros. Their shortstop is named Miguel Tejada.
"It’s like they have 40,000 players on one team. Forty thousand people want to be in the dugout slapping fives. ‘Passionate’ is an understatement. Fans like that are special." -- Giants LHP Alex Hinshaw on Wrigley Field
by northsider on Jul 14, 2008 12:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
From Peter King's Column today in SI.com:
I know it was mentioned that he was in the bleachers the other day. He wrote:
July 11, Chicago: Don’t tell my boss, but on the way back from Scappoose, I stopped for the afternoon in Chicago, lathered on the 55 SPF sunscreen, and sat in the seventh row of the left-field bleachers at Wrigley Field for Cubs 3, Giants 1. The guy a few seats away asked me, “What’s your favorite ballpark?’’ And I told him the story of taking my late mother to Wrigley for the first time, maybe eight or 10 years ago, and how she’d been used to Fenway Park and didn’t think any place could every be better, and in the seventh-inning stretch, she leaned over to me and said, “Peter, I think this is better than Fenway.’’I love the sun beating down on the bleachers, and the 20-somethings sitting with the 60-somethings, and the organ playing, and the balls flying all around you in batting practice. There’s not a lot of places purer in sports. Now, the $110 price tag for the general admission bleacher seat is another matter. But once every five years, I’ll pay it happily. What a great afternoon.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/07/13/mmqb/2.html
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on Jul 14, 2008 6:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have the strangest
sunburn patterns this morning…
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 14, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dare you to post a Fanshot.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 14, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All-Star Break
I just can’t believe that it is already the All-Star break, felt like we were just counting downt he days until ST.
Only thought, I wish Marmol had this week to get away from baseball.
Onto the second half!
Lets do it Cubbies
by slocs55 on Jul 14, 2008 11:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kind of OT - Wrigley dog?
How much is an official Wrigley Field hot dog?
Thanks in advance!
Dave
by Dave in the basement on Jul 14, 2008 11:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
$3.50
during the game. Kosher are $4.00.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 14, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope the second half
is as successful as the first half. May Rich Harden start a new trend of staying healthy the rest of the season and Carlos Marmol get his “White Castle”pitching style back.
Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.
by sue369 on Jul 14, 2008 1:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I love your positive thinking
It’s refreshing.
The Cubs are on pace to win 97 games! Taking in consideration that they are 37-12 at home and 20-26 on the road, they are still on pace to win 96 games overall.
They are two weeks ahead of last year’s win pace (win #57 came on Aug 1) and should easily surpass their 85 win total from last year.
They are going to lose games (probably another 25-30) before season’s end and still be on track to win 94+ games. I project 39-28 for the final 67 games.
Thank you Cubs for the fun ride. Don’t stop now!
"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."
by flachimesa on Jul 14, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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