Sheets named NL all-star starter, plus NL Lineup note
by sackings108 on Jul 14, 2008 10:20 AM CDT
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Guess this is somewhat surprising, I expected it to be Zambrano, but today Hurdle named Sheets the starting pitcher. And now i have to fill up this limit. What do you guys think about this, who would you have preferred? I'll put up a poll I guess. So what o you guys think about Ryan Theriot? Just kidding... I hope the NL can actually win this year, it would be nice to get home field if we make it to the WS. Rambling.... wordy word wordy word...
EDIT: It was also just announced that Kosuke will be batting 8th, and Geovany batting 9th in the lineup.
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Doesn't really matter.
Since Z last threw on Wednesday and isn’t scheduled to pitch till Saturday, the ASG is a good place for him to throw one inning… the starter (IIRC) usually goes two.
Sheets has had a good first half, too. No problem with this.
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by Al on Jul 14, 2008 10:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And
I know this sounds odd, but with Soto catching Sheets, maybe he can see something in him that we can exploit in the second half. Unlikely, but who knows, Soto is a pretty smart guy.
They call me MISTER Fukudome!
by brokenland on Jul 14, 2008 10:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I love it
Geo needs to call for nothing but splitters and sliders.
Dome-san!!
by Goat Whisperer on Jul 14, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it would make sense to have
Zambrano pitch to Soto to start off, since Soto knows his pitches. To me, that makes the battery that much better when the catcher knows his pitcher. God, I sound like Joe Morgan, don’t I?
by inukjim on Jul 14, 2008 10:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It does make sense.
Let’s let Sheets throw a couple of innings, while Z only throws one. Maybe it will hasten the impending injury to Sheets in the 2nd half.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 14, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
let Sheets go the whole way! Too bad Dusty isn’t managing the team.
Seriously though…............Ben Sheets is way overdue for a nice DL stint
by plenz on Jul 14, 2008 10:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, but i think Sheets
deserves the start. I’m happy for him… honestly. The guy has been through a lot in his career injury-wise. I don’t really see it as a BIG DEAL… so long as the Cubs THUMP him during the season!
by socalicubsfan on Jul 14, 2008 10:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No biggie
Ok with Sheets starting. So where’s the lineup note in the title?
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on Jul 14, 2008 11:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
right about the poll
kosuke is batting 8th, geo is batting 9th.
by sackings108 on Jul 14, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its almost as if it was literally a flip of the coin.
I wouldnt be surprised if they actually flipped the coin, haha, maybe Zambrano just coming off the DL has something to do with it…. or i am overlooking this and Sheets is just really really on fire this year
"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes
by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 14, 2008 11:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
heres the lineup
2008 All-Star Lineups
National League:
1. Hanley Ramirez, Florida, ss
2. Chase Utley, Philadelphia, 2b
3. Lance Berkman, Houston, 1b
4. Albert Pujols, St. Louis, dh
5. Chipper Jones, Atlanta, 3b
6. Matt Holliday, Colorado, rf
7. Ryan Braun, Milwaukee, lf
8. Kosuke Fukudome, Chicago, cf
9. Geovany Soto, Chicago, c
P: Ben Sheets, Milwaukee, rhp
American League:
1. Ichiro Suzuki, Seattle, rf
2. Derek Jeter, New York, ss
3. Josh Hamilton, Texas, cf
4. Alex Rodriguez, New York, 3b
5. Manny Ramirez, Boston, lf
6. Milton Bradley, Texas, dh
7. Kevin Youkilis, Boston, 1b
8. Joe Mauer, Minnesota, c
9. Dustin Pedroia, Boston, 2b
P: Cliff Lee, Cleveland, lhp
by Ratola on Jul 14, 2008 11:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On paper...
...I’m much more scared of that NL team – and Sheets over Lee, for that matter. Jeter, Youk, and Pedroria do nothing for me – while look at their counterparts – Hanley, Sir Lance, and Utley. Dare I say this is the NL’s year….
Dan
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by dtpollitt on Jul 14, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sure hope so, how long has it been?
"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes
by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 14, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this is our year..maybe the NL can finally snap out of it....
I’m with you on the AL lineup not seeming all that scary on the surface…the pitchers will make the difference either way.
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by cubfever7 on Jul 14, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was thinking the same thing
1, 2, 3 in the lineup:
Ichiro/Jeter/Hamilton
or
Ramirez/Utley/Fat Elvis?
‘nuff said.
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by Bildo1805 on Jul 14, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Catcher batting low in the order
It makes sense, since there are only a few catchers on each team, and that way each can play several innings while only batting a couple times.
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by zambranofan on Jul 14, 2008 11:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jeter is overrated
His defense is subpar and hitting isn’t that great. Honestly, I’m sick of the Yankee players getting the nod over players that truly deserve it. Jeter may be the face of the Yankees and one of the idols in MLB, but ESPN always portray him as some baseball god.
by Geo4MVP on Jul 14, 2008 11:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sheets starting sounds right to me.
I’d say only Lincecum and Volquez have been better, and both of them started real games too recently.
by HereComesASpecialBoy on Jul 14, 2008 11:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
so hurdle will do something like this?
sheets 2 IP, Z in the 3rd, Webb the 4th, Volquez 5th, Harren 6th, Wilson 7th, Wagnes 8th, Lidge 9th. thoughts?
by Ratola on Jul 14, 2008 12:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Personally I think Webb deserves the start
more than Z or Sheets. If you aren’t giving it to Lincecum or Volquez who have been the best, I’d go with Webb and his 13 wins and ERA reasonably close to Zambrano and Sheets.
If it came down to Sheets and Zambrano, it’s a toss-up to me.
by rlpete on Jul 14, 2008 12:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Never before will I be so in to the All-Star game.
It is HUGE for the Cubs this year if they can make it to the WS.
Bleeding Cubbie Blue since 1985.
by Bricks and Ivy on Jul 14, 2008 12:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's damn close...
...but Sheets has been a touch better, at least statistically. The only exception is ERA+, where Big Z holds the edge. I don’t quite understand why, but maybe someone a little more versed in stats than I am can explain.
Here’s a quick rundown of the numbers I usually look at:
Sheets: 2.85 ERA/1.114 WHIP/.235 BAA (150 ERA+, 3.39 FIP) over 123 innings.
Zambrano: 2.84 ERA/1.23 WHIP/.243 BAA (157 ERA+, 3.68 FIP) over 120.3 innings.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 14, 2008 1:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If my understanding is correct
ERA+ incorporates park factors – and I think Wrigley is considered a better hitters’ park than Miller.
by HereComesASpecialBoy on Jul 14, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, OK. That makes sense. Thanks!
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 14, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This just in
Kerry Wood to skip All Star Game with fear of bumping into Dusty Baker in a hotel and going on the DL as a reflex…
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on Jul 14, 2008 1:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The less Zambrano and Dempster pitch the better...
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by MDBNIU on Jul 14, 2008 2:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OMG!
I agree with you Blue Mike. Sanest thought ever.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 14, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dempster probably won't pitch at all, since he threw so many pitches on Sunday.
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by Al on Jul 14, 2008 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The All Star Game shouldn't determine
WS home field advantage, it should be the team with the best record.
"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 14, 2008 2:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You are sooooo right....
I wish it would go back to alternating between the NL and AL. MLB did it this way for years- with no problems, that is until Bud Selig got involved and decided that, “this time it counts.” HEY BUD, IT’S AN EXHIBITION GAME, LET’S KEEP IT THAT WAY.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 14, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't agree with "best record" because............
..................a team could pile up a great record in a weak league.
The NFL, NHL and NBA play far more interdivisional games, so the best record should prevail. Even with interleague play, MLB is handled differently.
Returning to an alternating schedule is the way it should be. Unfortunately we’re stuck with another one of “Selig’s Follies”. Stupid.
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by tville on Jul 14, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or...
... how about the league that has the most wins in interleague play gets the home field?
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by Al on Jul 14, 2008 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about we go back to alternating?
It worked fine for years, before Selig decided to turn in an exhibition into something other than an exhibition.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 14, 2008 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a bit of a crap shoot............
...............as well, Al. Again, you may catch a weak season one way or the other, or perhaps teams are just not playing well at the time. In addition, the number of games played is, in my opinion, not enough to provide a definitive position on the matter (and no, I’m not espousing more games for interleague play).
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
by tville on Jul 14, 2008 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least that would make meaningful games mean something more.
And for the poster(s) above backing the “alternating years” scheme, you’d scream awful loud if, say, the Cubs were the NL rep with 100 wins (nice dream, right?) and the AL team had only 90. “Unfair!” you’d yell.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 15, 2008 4:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would actually prefer that all 8 Cubs see no action tonight.
I also hope they they go to bed right after the HR Derby & ASG
ANd after the ASG, I hope the go directly home and not to their home country for 36 HRS.
REST REST REST REST REST
ASG is meaninless (well sorta, we do want home field) let others teams carry the load here
by Reed's Johnson on Jul 14, 2008 5:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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