This Time It Counts... And Counts... And Counts... AL 4, NL 3
This is the sixth year since Bud Selig decreed that the All-Star Game result would determine home field in the World Series.
And you know what? In the previous five years it hasn't made a single bit of difference. The AL won the World Series in 2004, 2005 and 2007, and all of those were four-game sweeps, so each team had two home games. And the NL won the World Series in 2003 and 2006 without the home-field advantage -- in 2003, each team had three home games, and in 2006, the winning Cardinals played three games on the road and two at home. (And note, no World Series in this time period has gone the full seven games.)
Now, in 2008, when home field seems to be more of an advantage than ever before in major league baseball -- at the All-Star break, only three teams, the Cardinals, the Phillies and the Angels, have winning records on the road -- maybe the AL's 15-inning, 4-3 win over the NL will make a difference in the World Series result. But that's far from certain, so save your angst, especially since it's also far from certain what teams will be playing beginning Wednesday, October 22 in the AL city.
About the game itself, since it went into those long extra innings -- tying the ASG record for innings and becoming the longest one by time -- I didn't see anything past the 9th inning, when Ryan Dempster struck out the side (Cubs pitchers looked good last night, Cubs hitters, not so much). Seeing replays this morning, it appeared that Dioner Navarro got his foot to the plate just before he was tagged in the 11th inning, so the game could have ended an hour earlier than it did. And Justin Morneau looked like he got tagged just before he scored the eventual winning run -- so the worst night last night was had by plate umpire Derryl Cousins.
What I really want to talk about was the pregame introductions, done in a way we've never seen before. 49 Hall of Famers stood near the positions they played, including the nearly 86-year-old Ralph Kiner and nearly 90-year-old Bob Feller, taking perhaps their last bows on a national stage. They were joined by the starting players for last night's game, reminding all of us how baseball connects generations. Joe Buck, replacing 97-year-old Yankee Stadium PA announcer Bob Sheppard, who was too ill to attend, said that it was the greatest collection of baseball talent ever assembled in one place. Buck, as are most Fox announcers, is prone to hype, but for once, saying that wasn't. Parades are silly when it comes to events like this, but the pregame introductions were all baseball. It was nice to see Cub Hall of Famers Fergie Jenkins, Billy Williams, Ryne Sandberg and Ernie Banks among the contingent -- but that only made me lament Ron Santo's absence from the third base group; he belongs, and perhaps next year he will join them.
Now we rest for a couple of days -- eight teams resume the schedule tomorrow (including the Cardinals), and the Cubs and the rest on Friday. Let the real games begin. The best is yet to come.
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Ya the introductions were very nice.
It was great seeing Ryno there as well.
by bakester on Jul 16, 2008 8:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
Seeing replays this morning, it appeared that Dioner Navarro got his foot to the plate just before he was tagged in the 11th inning, so the game could have ended an hour earlier than it did. And Justin Morneau looked like he got tagged just before he scored the eventual winning run—so the worst night last night was had by plate umpire Derryl Cousins.
That’s a pretty subjective claim. I thought the plate umpire was calling a good game. Had a pretty consistent strike zone the whole time back there.
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by NittanyCub on Jul 16, 2008 8:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course it's a subjective claim...
... I agree with you on the ball/strike calls. But on two game-changing calls, he may have blown both of them (the 11th inning call appeared far worse than the 15th inning one).
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by Al on Jul 16, 2008 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Navarro was definitely safe
but the calls at second base were poor as well. Basically, if the ball beat you, you were out.
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by BigJohnAZ on Jul 16, 2008 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you watch the game again you will find
That the umpiring crew was awful at best. The strike three call on chase Utley, and strike two call on Hanley Ramirez, where not even close to the plate. Which gave the hitters a clear indication that they better gon up swinging. Navarro was clearly safe at home, and there is nothing subjective about it. There were also two blown calls at second base on stolen bases. All in the n.l.’s favor though.
by nks6911 on Jul 16, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely agree about the strike three call to Utley.
That pitch was well off the plate.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I might need to see it again.
I shouldn’t paid more attention to the umpires.
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by NittanyCub on Jul 16, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should've*
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by NittanyCub on Jul 16, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was also pretty definitive that
Morneau was safe at the plate. No argument here. But yes, the calls at second were bad. Although, I have no idea why Pujols tested Ichiro’s arm, he slid under the tag at 2nd. And I think it was Kinsler, who got called out on an attempted SB but the replay showed Tejada never even tagged him.
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by Jayo525 on Jul 16, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was totally unimpressed with Daryl Cousins' performance behind the plate
A number of ball and strike calls were way off and his consistentcy was dicey.
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by cubfever7 on Jul 16, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked the introductions, but that game was a joke.
Even though it didn’t end in a tie something has to be done to prevent that from happening. Aside from the stupid home field advantage thing, they need to introduce free substitution and re-entry by position players.
To solve the pitching problem, each manager shoud have to have two of his minor league pitchers sit in the bullpen and they could be the long relievers.
Imagine being a Baltimore fan this morning, your closer just went longer than he had in any regular season game, and it will most likely benifit a team in your division.
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by nji232 on Jul 16, 2008 8:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm very tired
because of the game last night and I didn’t even stay up till the end. The entire game I felt the NL would somehow lose the game and they did.
It is ridiculous that the All-Star game determines homefield in the World Series but with a contending team like the Cubs I definitely watched a lot more than I would have without that rule.
Lets do it Cubbies
by slocs55 on Jul 16, 2008 8:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Me too.
I made it to somewheres around the 13th and then went into “must get to bed!” panic. But I guess this is what Bud Selig wants – legions of baseball addicts risking sleep deprivation because this one counts!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dempster
i just cant get over the fact that this guy is legitimately a shutdown pitcher when he commands his pitches. the AL can have their home field advantage, with our pitching and our offense this cubs team doesnt need it come october—if they get there.
Soriano - Dome - DLee - Aramis - Soto. If that doesnt turn you on you're not human.
by kylejo on Jul 16, 2008 8:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
2006 World Series...Cardinals won the series 4-1
2 Games in Detroit, 3 in STL.
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by TheRiot Police on Jul 16, 2008 8:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Whoops, I got that backwards, BUT...
... it still proves my point: losing home-field advantage did NOT hurt the Cardinals.
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by Al on Jul 16, 2008 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure that I agree
If you lose 2 road games to start, you’re in a big hole.
20 of the last 25 WS champions have had home field advantage . . .
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 16, 2008 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we can win one of the first two
I like our chances.
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by BigJohnAZ on Jul 16, 2008 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta get there first
My statement isn’t about the Cubs, it’s the ridiculous system in general.
As far as the chances go, IF the Cubs make it to the WS, I wouldn’t be guaranteeing 3 W’s at Wrigley Field – chances are, the A.L. champion will be a decent team, too . . .
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 16, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you lose 2 home games....
....you’re in a much bigger hole.
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by TXCub on Jul 16, 2008 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loved the game
hated the outcome. Uggla probably wishes he stayed home LOL. The one thing I am glad is that his fielding didn’t affect the outcome, but his at bats did.
ALso glad the Cub pitchers pitched very well, too bad our bats didn’t show up, but most of the NL’s bats were silenced all night as well.
If the Cubs get to play in the big dance, hopefully we’ll be a better road team by then.
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by BigJohnAZ on Jul 16, 2008 8:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I concur
Fun game to watch, and since I work second shift, the lateness of it didn’t bother me. Good to see the Cubs pitchers do well, particularly Marmol. This should be a real shot in the arm (no pun intended) for him.
Not to project too far into the future, but if the Cubs make it as far as the WS, all it takes is one road victory …
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 16, 2008 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, one road win
and we can wrap it up at the Friendly Confines.
Marmol looked like he’s back to form, Dempster was awesome, and Z’s pickoff of Bradley was great, too.
The one good result as far as Francona is concerned, is that he didn’t have to use Kasmir more than that one inning. That’s the problem when you have so many specialist pitchers in the ASG and a lot of the starters/middle guys pitched on Sunday.
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by BigJohnAZ on Jul 16, 2008 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem
isn’t the rosters. The problem is too many “specialty” pitchers and this over-arching philosophy that pitchers must be treated like china dolls.
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by danimal15 on Jul 16, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Felt Terrible for Uggla
Dan Uggla is the only former Memphis State/Univ. of Memphis Tiger to be in the All-Star Game since Charlie Lea in the early 1980’s. I really wanted to see him do well in this game because his career appeared dead in the water in the D-Backs organization in 2005. I’m glad the NL did not lose the game because of one of Uggla’s errors.
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by memphiscub on Jul 16, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fan Graphs
If you looked at Fan Graphs, Uggla had an awful game, and that’s minus his fielding. Ughh, and McCarver and Buck were both apologetic about the bad hop for his 3rd error. Yes it was a bad hop, but if Uggla would have charged the ball more, that hop never happens.
by MerigoldBowling on Jul 16, 2008 8:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that
usually, 2nd basemen don’t have to charge balls because they have the short throw. I thought the error was undeserved.
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by BigJohnAZ on Jul 16, 2008 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Option?
Would you rather that ball was ruled a hit? Make no apologies for Uggla, his fielding last night was brutal. BRUTAL. Good infielders pick their hop and whether he charges that ball or not, his hands were really slow on that play. Even worse, his throw to home plate was woefully deliberate. Perhaps they don’t get Sizemore anyway but that throw was the slowest play I’ve seen since Pete Vukovich tried to throw out Wille Mays Hayes in Major League. In addition, one of the plays Uggla actually recorded an out, the ball hit him in the heel of his glove because his hands are so slow. How this guy has only six errors this year is beyond me. I won’t even get into his night at the plate. Awful all the way around. Just plain awful. Yes it happens. But he was simply terrible.
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by krummy12 on Jul 16, 2008 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, he was brutal all around last night
but typically, don’t the scorers give the benefit of the doubt on bad hop balls? Each play is scored on its own merits, and not a cumulative effect.
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by BigJohnAZ on Jul 16, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn Uggla
That’s his new name. I can’t help but think that without his heroics and the fine pitching done by the Cincy wunderkid Volquez the NL might just have had home field advantage. That is something that’s pretty important this year, considering that the Cubs are (so far) the best team in the NL and probably the favorites to get to the WS. Nice work Damn Uggla. Remember the Detroit/St. Louis WS where all the talk was about pitchers fielding practice (pfp). How about the Marlins institute some 2bfp?
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by pageian on Jul 16, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I laughed...
...when the Yankee Stadium bleachers started cheering “Hit it to Uggla”. Besides his 3 errors, his double pump to home ruined a double play. He was clearly shaken.
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 16, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol
I missed that, “Hit it to Uggla”. That had to be embarrassing for him.
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by pageian on Jul 16, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about Papelbon?
The NY “fans” were all chanting “OVERRATED” or something.
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by BigJohnAZ on Jul 16, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They totally shook him...
... he was off the mark last night and it showed.
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by IowaCubs- on Jul 16, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the chanting during Papelbon's appearance...
...was pretty remarkable. As heated as the Cubs-Cards (and, to a lesser extent for the time being, Cubs-Brewers) rivarly gets, it’s never gotten quite that personal to my recollection.
I must confess, howeve, that part of me admires Yankee fans for showing that kinda unity in getting inside an opposing pitcher’s head. Of couse, at the same time, they were conveniently ignoring the fact that, last night, Papelbon was on their team.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regarding the home field advantage...
I had the same view last night, remarking on the fact that none of the recent world series games even went to game 7. But then right after I said that I thought about the fact that the team with home field advantage plays their first two games at home (correct?) allowing them to gain a huge momentum (confidence?) boost. But what is the saying… momentum is only as good as tomorrows starter?
by GoCubbies34 on Jul 16, 2008 8:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Boston was down 3 games to 1 against Cleveland last year, IIRC. If a team can play them one at a time and forget the previous game, it has and can be done. Look at Boston a few years ago when they were down 3 games to none to the Yankees , down to the 9th inning.
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by BigJohnAZ on Jul 16, 2008 8:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How did Marmol look?
I know the stats show 2 k’s, but I can’t find MLB’s video box score that would allow me to watch his inning. How did he look? How was the slider? Did he hit three or more batters?
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by SouthsideCub on Jul 16, 2008 8:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought he looked great
Absolutely owned Quentin
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by Less is Walrond on Jul 16, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any idea
how to get that video? I can’t find the video box score.
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by SouthsideCub on Jul 16, 2008 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it was just the late hour
but I thought he got away with a hanger at the letters on strike 3. Look at Quentin’s reaction to striking out on that pitch and he believes he should have crushed it.
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by Goat Whisperer on Jul 16, 2008 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, he did hang one but....
....he had set him up pretty good before that. I think Quentin probably thought that was going to be another slider at the ankles. So I give Carlos some credit.
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by TXCub on Jul 16, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Hurdle called the spring Marmol into the game last night.
by gocubsgo22 on Jul 16, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He looked good
no hit batters and his slider was nasty good.
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by BigJohnAZ on Jul 16, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He looked okay
His slider is still getting too much of the plate when he is ahead of the count. He needs to try to bury that thing when he is ahead.
I thought his fastball was decent though. Seemd to be able to pitch it to the corners which he has been having trouble doing lately.
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by TheRiot Police on Jul 16, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"He needs to try to bury that thing when he is ahead".
TWSS!
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by Bump Bailey on Jul 16, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The White Castles were tasty...
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on Jul 16, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The opening was
mostly magical. When I realized what they were doing, I was laughing inside waiting to see Ryne and Joe Morgan shaking hands. I never saw Joe, did I miss him?
I also saw my first zombie last night. I guess the reports that Steinbrenner’s health is poor is an understatement. He looked beyond awful.
I saved the rest of the intros on Tivo so my son can watch it later this week.
by N Oakley on Jul 16, 2008 8:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Morgan deliberately avoids events Sandberg is attending.
And I agree with you about Steinbrenner—I suspect he’s nearing the end of his life.
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by Al on Jul 16, 2008 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe "Weak Sauce" Morgan
Deliberately avoids events that Ryno attends because his overinflated sense of self can’t handle being in the presence of someone better than him.
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by CaliCub on Jul 16, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Morgan allowed to make appearances on Fox?
There used to be a hard-and-fast rule about appearing on another network, but I’m not sure if it exists anymore.
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by DeRoMyHero on Jul 16, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had the same thought.
I was so mad about Joe not being there. Come on.
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by slcathena on Jul 16, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnny Bench? Carlton Fisk? Joe Morgan?
Where were those guys?
I thought Whitey Ford looked incredible for a man pushing 80. I can only hope to look that good at that age.
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 16, 2008 8:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Whitey
hasn’t always lived a life that was conducive to good health either, given his profession and his lifestyle off the field. iirc he was one of the Yanks who liked to imbibe along the lines of Mantle, Martin etc…
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by pageian on Jul 16, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another Favorite Yankee Of Mine
and there ain’t too many of those! lol
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by CaliCub on Jul 16, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
has anyone seen a list...
of living HOF that weren’t there last night?
by bison on Jul 16, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the best I can do for ya.
Forgive me if it’s not entirely accurate:
Lee McPhail
Bobby Doerr
Monte Irvin
Stan Musial
George Kell
Red Schonedienst
Duke Snider
Tommy Lasorda
Dick Williams
Earl Weaver
Jim Bunning
Sparky Anderson
Sandy Koufax
Orlando Cepeda
Juan Marichal
Carl Yastremski
Joe Morgan
Tom Seaver
Nolan Ryan
Johnny Bench
Carlton Fisk
And, for whatever reason, I think I saw Brooks Robinson last night, but I can’t remember. Also, I’m drawing a blank on Steve Carlton and Jim Palmer.
Any way, if I listed someone and they were there, I’m sorry. I’m just going by memory and might miss someone.
by Tackle Box on Jul 16, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MacPhail and Williams were there
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 16, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lasorda and Weaver were there.
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by Bump Bailey on Jul 16, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I don’t remember either one of them, even after you say they were there. And I was sure I didn’t see either one. Oh well. The mind starts to go eventually I guess
by Tackle Box on Jul 16, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Juan Marichal was there
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 16, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as was Orlando Cepeda
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 16, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Palmer and Carlton were there
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by JohnM on Jul 17, 2008 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that Bench has been unofficially blacklisted by MLB
because of his involvement in the sale of fake MLB merchandise many years ago.
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by DeRoMyHero on Jul 16, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody likes him anyway
He’s a complete ass hat and doesn’t get along with many of the old guys.
by Tackle Box on Jul 16, 2008 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so glad our pitchers dominated....
Z, Demp, Marmol all looked very impressive last night.
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 16, 2008 8:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by BigJohnAZ on Jul 16, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+2
Though it would have been nice to see Soto throw somebody out, it was at least nice to see Z pick off Bradley.
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by pageian on Jul 16, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I give Geo the benefit of a doubt...
...first guy got the jump on Sheets, second guy the 2nd basemen wasn’t there to cover quick enough.
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 16, 2008 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I don’t blame Soto, still it would have been nice to see him gun down a runner or two on that stage.
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by pageian on Jul 16, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
That first stolen base was all Sheets. The second one, Utley fell over himself (for the second time in the game I might add) on what looked to be a pretty good throw.
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by slcathena on Jul 16, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Geo did make a nice catch to end the first inning.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And almost hurt himself.
I cringed when I saw him trip over that bat, or weight, or whatever it was.
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by Al on Jul 16, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will probably get ripped for saying this but...
I see this game for what it is AN EXHIBITION game.
Going 15 innings in something like this is ridiculous. The players deserve to have a little break at this point. Not to play 15 innings in an exhibition game. It was fun to watch (I only made it through 10 innings) but wow. That and watching Steinbrenner hauled out there with his nose running down his face was awful. It was nice to see all the hall of famers out there none the less. But, give the players a break. They still have half a season to go (not to mention the post season). Where do they draw the line? Would they have made position players pitch had it made it that far? I am all for giving the fans a show. But, not to the extent of 15 innings.
by jajonez77 on Jul 16, 2008 8:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is what you can end up with
because” This Time It Counts”.
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by BigJohnAZ on Jul 16, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Francona said he would have put in JD Drew to pitch if it went a couple innings more...
...don’t know if that’s true or not, but Kazmir was probably going to go only one more inning. I was silently cheering for it to go longer to see a forfeit. Just to embarrass Selig.
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 16, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Kazmir would've gone back out...
....because I don’t think most managers would do that with their ace in a regular season game much less borrowed property in an exhibition.
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by TXCub on Jul 16, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they said on the telecast, that Francona went to him in the dugout after the inning...
...and nodded his head “Yes”. Assuming that meant he could pitch another inning.
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 16, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what?
So was I. That would have showed how silly it is to take an exhibition game and hang so much importance on it.
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by BigJohnAZ on Jul 16, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
was doing the exact same thing.
When Lidge and Kazmir were both in, I figured it would only last 1 more inning and then I could watch me some squirming Bud.
Particularly happy to do so as I think the home field thing is stupid. A Royal pitching to a Rockie could determine whether the Mets or the Red Sox have home field advantage? dumb dumb. Would have been great to see it determined by JD Drew pitching just to prove how stupid it is. Reminds me of Wisconsin football exploiting kickoff rules to run out the clock a few years ago just to prove how dumb the rules were.
I am even secretly hoping Sherrill or Kazmir for example feel some effects of pitching and they can bitch about having to pitch or pitch beyond their desire. Who cares if it ends in a tie after 12 innings. In the immortal words of Tony Burton’s Duke “This is supposed to be an exhibition!”
by JCD on Jul 16, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep in mind...
... that no one played the entire 15 innings.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 16, 2008 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But, for every inning that game goes on
The possibility of needless injury increases. I would much rather watch the players put on a show in Sept or Oct than watch someone get injured in the 15th inning of a exhibition. Especially, when there are pitchers going on short rest and such. The risk greatly out weighs the reward in the 15th inning (at least for me).
by jajonez77 on Jul 16, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also please remember
That before “this game means something” they would just alternate home field advantage each year. It never had anything to do with the best record.
by gocubsgo22 on Jul 16, 2008 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if it alternates, then it's never 'in someone else's hands'
my buddy said same point about home field. He even told me that the Cubs have as much or more influence on the game as anyone with so many players, but Cubs AB’s were complete and then 6 more innings were played.
my point is that even alternating eliminates the argument and keeps things ‘even’. With this dumb rule, we have AL advantage 7 straight years (whether it menas anything or not), a game that MUST have a conclusion, and what was once a far off concept was almost a reality – running out of pitchers and having the game determined with a position player on the mound.
And, while it is true that nobody played all 15, I would be pretty nervous now if Woody had just pitched 2 innings, for example. It has to be telling that Francona was concerned enough to line up position players rather than continue with Kazmir.
by JCD on Jul 16, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand
But I would much rather do it this way then a random every other year determination. These are grown men getting paid to play baseball.
If you want to switch it to team with best record, that makes good sense to me.
by gocubsgo22 on Jul 16, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is every other year random???????
by GoCubbies34 on Jul 16, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We discussed this yesterday.
It is and it isn’t. It’s not random in the respect that you know every year, but with respect to the years that your team is good enough and happens to advance that far, it appears random.
by N Oakley on Jul 16, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of like
flipping a coin to see who kick’s off.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jul 16, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely
agree.
"We are not equations with hats." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Jul 16, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It made me a little sad....
....to think of how many HOFers from the golden age are going to be gone soon. It feels like a small part of baseball is dying with them. I’m not sure the future of the game excites me that much beyond the prospect of the Cubs winning. Nevertheless, it was very moving to see those greats out there.
Also, it kinda blew my mind how quickly the crowd left. There was a large number gone in 9th inning.
"I'm petrified of nipple chafing. Once it starts, it's a vicious circle." Andy Bernard
by TXCub on Jul 16, 2008 9:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't it about Midnight in NY
at the time of the 9th inning?
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by BigJohnAZ on Jul 16, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLB
and Fox care more about prime time than whether fans actually get to see the game. How many young kids didn’t get to watch the game last night because of the start time/length of the game? They need to pull their heads out and start focusing on the fans and not so much on revenues, otherwise those revenue streams are going to start drying up.
I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. - Robert McCloskey
by pageian on Jul 16, 2008 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
Actually, it’s WEST COAST prime time they care about. The first pitch was at 8:47 EDT, almost two hours after what would be a normal starting time for a night game in New York.
But that’s 5:47 PDT, which is just when a lot of West Coast people are getting home, and that put the entire game in West Coast prime time.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 16, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
:-) That's how I got to see the entire game
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jul 16, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
I don’t have the data at hand but I understood that 80% or more of the U.S. population lives east of the Mississippi. The West complains constantly that they are ignored by MSM. I’m trying to find the census bureau data, but at first glance I’m not having any luck.
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jul 16, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't be that much...
... considering the population of California alone is 35 million.
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by Al on Jul 16, 2008 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Iowa is a whopping 2.8 mil.
I feel for ya, Cali… we’re always getting ignored.
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by IowaCubs- on Jul 16, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still A Midwesterner At Heart
I like to think of myself as “borrowing” SoCal for employment and income, then when the missus and I retire it will be somewhere back in the heartland.
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by CaliCub on Jul 16, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Chicago and the midwest, but I love California too.
I definitely do not miss the humidity.
"It’s like they have 40,000 players on one team. Forty thousand people want to be in the dugout slapping fives. ‘Passionate’ is an understatement. Fans like that are special." -- Giants LHP Alex Hinshaw on Wrigley Field
by northsider on Jul 16, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because I was curious
and had a bit of time on my hands… I went over to the Census Bureau and calculated. The Bureau cites 13 states as comprising the West, and as of 2OO6 their combined population was 69,356M out of a total U.S. population of 299,398M. We’ve got 23% of the population in the west with 77% elsewhere.
You’re right about California, it’s a whopping 36,458M but the rest of the Western states are sparsely populated.
I only did this because I’ve always been curious about this assumption and never bothered to do the actual math. What’s really interesting is that it brings to mind Pareto’s Principle.
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jul 16, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But those 13 states
Are not all the States “West of the Mississippi” like you claimed earlier.
The two biggest states in the Union, California and Texas, are both west of the Mississippi. 60 million people live in those two states alone.
The Mean Center of the US Population is in Phelps County, MO which is west of the Mississippi. In other words, more Americans live west of the Mississippi than east of it.
Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?
by Josh77 on Jul 16, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
I decided to go with the Census Bureau definition of the West. Your point’s well taken.
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jul 16, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
The population center of the United States has moved steadily westward for ages, and is currently in Missouri. So more than half the population is west of the Mississippi.
See: http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/2001/cb01cn66.html
by ChipSet on Jul 16, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IIRC
ET = 50%
CT=20%
MT=5%
PT=25%
I heard that stat about 10 years ago.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jul 16, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
those stats
are most relevant to this discussion of broadcast demographics. I wonder if the current time zone stats are much different? It is true that the population in general is trending south and west.
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jul 16, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but
I personally never leave a game until it’s over. I’m always afraid that something that’s never happened before will happen and I’ll miss it. Add to that what those people paid to get in there….no way I would’ve left. You’re getting free baseball after the 9th.
"I'm petrified of nipple chafing. Once it starts, it's a vicious circle." Andy Bernard
by TXCub on Jul 16, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Let your kid stay up an extra couple hours for a night. It’s not that big of a deal. If they truly want to love the game of baseball then they would want to stay up a couple hours to watch the game. I guess I am in the midwest and it wasn’t that late for us on central time but still. I think it’s not that big of a deal to let the kids stay up and make it something special for them. With all that said. I fell asleep in the 11th inning, haha. I tried to stay up but just couldn’t any longer, it was a long day.
by huskercubby on Jul 16, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Upset me all night long
Fox turning the game into the “Terry Francona Angst-Fest”. Ohhh… Terry’s such a nice guy but he’s got to be agonizing over his short pitching staff. Kazmir, Kazmir, Kazmir and how Terry’s such a nice guy blah, blah, blah. How about the NL? Webb, Lincecum and Dempster all went deep on Sunday (although I only remember them mentioning Dempster once, and even that was an afterthought)
Finally, one time they were talking about Francona and his “predicament”, then mentioned that “the guy in the other dugout” had to make some tough decisions, too.
Dome-san!!
by Goat Whisperer on Jul 16, 2008 9:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the agonizing, but...
Kazmir pitches in the same division in a heated divisional rivalry and has a recent history of arm trouble, whereas Lou was in the dugout with Hurdle and he could have easily told him not to put Ryan out there in the 9th. If Kaz goes out there and blows his elbow again, Francona becomes the most hated man in baseball. It absolutely was an agonizing decision.
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by IowaCubs- on Jul 16, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly on Ronny...
I felt sad watching Mike Schmidt and Wade Boggs up there taking their bows, thinking that the man that probably paved the way the most for them (meaning the guy who helped turn 3b into an offensive power position) was back at home in Chicago, probably in bed already.
I’ll be making the trip with all of you to Cooperstown next year, and I look forward to giving Santo the high five he deserves.
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by IowaCubs- on Jul 16, 2008 9:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Those were really bad at bats for Dome, but...
Hope this ASG experience gave him some hints to bring himself back to getting into full swing.
I’d sometimes witnessed his slump when he was a Dragon, but his bad time was shortened after he changed his hitting form in 2005-2006 training camp.
Below is a Japanese news show to tell about this ASG… I am not sure who those 2 big guys are ;-)

I'm bleeding Dragons Blue.
by dragonsfanatic on Jul 16, 2008 9:16 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Where can I order one of those?
Absolutely awesome.
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by IowaCubs- on Jul 16, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is too big to bring into your bed room...;-P
I'm bleeding Dragons Blue.
by dragonsfanatic on Jul 16, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It looks like..
... they are about to hit the news anchors in the head!
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by Al on Jul 16, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and I just noticed that...
...Dome appears to be holding the oar from a boat. Maybe Ichiro is, too, but Dome’s “bat” clearly looks like something one could paddle with.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a cricket bat.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jul 16, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, OK.
So I guess, proportionately speaking, that makes more aesthetic sense than a baseball bat?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm... I have this sudden urge to watch "The Untouchables"
I always liked the way Al Capone compared his ‘team’ with the game of baseball… ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 16, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That picture absolutely rules.
Thank you!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHA that is so awesome. ESPN's sets look like garbage in comparison!
Monstrous bobbleheads. I’m jealous.
"It’s like they have 40,000 players on one team. Forty thousand people want to be in the dugout slapping fives. ‘Passionate’ is an understatement. Fans like that are special." -- Giants LHP Alex Hinshaw on Wrigley Field
by northsider on Jul 16, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al, I'd like to offer up an apology on behalf of some folks on last night's game thread
I was in and out of the threads so perhaps I didn’t grasp the full context, and who knows – maybe you did something to deserve it, but I don’t see how that’s possible.
Anyway, I just want to apologize for all the “AL sucks” comments last night. I have no idea where they were coming from or why, but you don’t deserve that. No one does…
...well, except for a certain left handed slugger in denial, a certain right handed pitcher in denial,a certain commish in denial, and a certain woo woo we wish was in de Nile… ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 16, 2008 9:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Um...
... perhaps you could email me some of the details of what you’re talking about? I didn’t see any of this. Thanks.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 16, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a joke :D
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jul 16, 2008 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joke! Joke!
the “AL” reference… as in American League…
sorry – I know my humor is slightly warped…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 16, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
World Series
I am glad the AL won. Now when the Cubs sweep the WS, we can celebrate at Wrigley!
Think POSITIVE!
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
by ronsanto10 on Jul 16, 2008 9:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What did AL win?
The lottery? Bingo? Share it with us, AL!
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by IowaCubs- on Jul 16, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yogi...
Anyone catch Yogi Berra call Joe Buck “Jack” about 3 or 4 times? Joe just kind of looked down each time he said it.
"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 16, 2008 9:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did Yogi Have A Stroke?
He seemed very immobile and his speech seemed impaired.
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 16, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
He just got old.
"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 16, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yogi is 83.
Looked pretty good for a guy that age.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 16, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He never was much for
public speaking.
by N Oakley on Jul 16, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He looked good...
But he didn’t sound as sharp as he did in those AFLAC commercials.
"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 16, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Director says: “okay Yogi, let’s try this again.” “AFLAC Commercial take 567… and action.”
by N Oakley on Jul 16, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 16, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone Who Looks Bad For Their Age
is the Commish. The skeletons on the “Pirates of the Caribbean” ride looked healthier.
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 16, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marmol
I was dreaming at this point but how did Marmol’s inning go?
Lets do it Cubbies
by slocs55 on Jul 16, 2008 9:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
2 K's...
Uggla had an error so a man got on, but he K’d Quentin to end the inning.
"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 16, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a vision of that strikeout happening in the World Series...
...happy thoughts.
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by IowaCubs- on Jul 16, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only...
It would be fitting if Kerry Wood was pitching.
"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 16, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
I’ll be there on Waveland getting ready to high-five the nearest stranger.
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by IowaCubs- on Jul 16, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
High-five?
I have visions of tearfully hugging strangers all around me
"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 16, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I think that, then I'll actually end up daydreaming all day...
... so I’ll just stick to the high fives and avoid the goosebumps.
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by IowaCubs- on Jul 16, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is what I'll be doing
on Waveland after the Cubs win

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by tucsoncubsfan on Jul 16, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's going to be hot girls dressed up as nurses with the sexy nylons on?
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 16, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have been
SOOOO pissed if White Castle gave up a GWHR to Quentin.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jul 16, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he didn't.
He also overcame what must have been a really crappy mental position of having Uggla make an error to let the winning run on. He handled it well. I was happy with Carlos last night.
These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"
by slcathena on Jul 16, 2008 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Warning- thread jack- Ignore the woman on the left!

I’ve always had a crush on Marlee (even though she’s 15 years my senior), and apparently she’s from Morton Grove. This picture just completes the fantasy. The Greek braod in the middle ain’t bad either.
*Synth intro to "Jump"*
by SouthsideCub on Jul 16, 2008 9:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess that link doesn't work
see http://awfulannouncing.com/ for the picture. I am a bad BCBer.
*Synth intro to "Jump"*
by SouthsideCub on Jul 16, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greek Broad = Kelly Ripa?
Sure looks like her to me. And who’s the African American gentlemen standing to the left?
j/k
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 16, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maria Menounos
Actress/Entertainment Journalist.
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on Jul 16, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean this picture?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the one!
Matlin is hot. I don’t care what anyone says. And the Cubs uni only makes it moreso.
*Synth intro to "Jump"*
by SouthsideCub on Jul 16, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always thought
Matlin was pretty too and especially in a Cubs uniform.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by tucsoncubsfan on Jul 16, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly didn't know she was a Cubs fan. Interesting.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you sign "schwing!" in ASL?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 16, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm doing it right now...
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Jul 16, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is a perfect representation of each team as well.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 16, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that's true
then I’m going to have to learn ASL, and fast.
*Synth intro to "Jump"*
by SouthsideCub on Jul 16, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Maria was Italian, yes
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jul 16, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just Saw Maria's Pantene Pro-V TV Commercial
Me likey!!!
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 16, 2008 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way
I grew up in Morton Grove!
"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."
by californiachicagoan on Jul 16, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My two cents
Yes, the intros were great. I actually got shivers. The pitching throughout the game was very good, very dominant. I am very happy that all three Cubs pitchers were basically lights out. Z’s pickoff was great. (Note, at two times during the game, Z and Demps were in line for the win).
Okay, here is my thoughts on the length. First, I stayed up through the entire game and sorta was waiting for it to either be called or to go on forever. And honestly, either would have been fine by me. Except for the Uggla-ness, almost all of the extra innings were well played, especially on a defensive level.
This was a game for Baseball Fans. Not casual, let’s go watch homeruns, fans. There were sac bunts, hit and runs, plays at the plate, intentional walks, and real white knuckle situtations. I still have no idea how Aaron Cook survived.
And if this game had been called, you know what? I wouldn’t have minded. In fact, I think it should have ended in a tie. Why? Because we got our money’s worth. This was really good, fun, baseball by really good players. It was so even, in fact, that after 15 innings, the only fair ending would have been to end it in a deadlock.
Which brings me back to the whole “this time it counts” thing. I understand that it really hasn’t made much difference to the outcomes of the World Series since this has been instituted, but it is still patently unfair. Heck, even the players hate it. What would have happened if they had to call the game? Who gets home field?
They call me MISTER Fukudome!
by brokenland on Jul 16, 2008 9:47 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Good question.
Coin flip? HR contest? Arm-wrestling?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 16, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uggla
Just missed his flight. It went right between his legs. He tried to get on the next flight but he struck out.
He will probably not be near the bleachers during batting practice next weekend.
by gocubsgo22 on Jul 16, 2008 9:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Even if the Game did not count...
and they continued to use the old system, I think the AL would have had home field this year anyway.
I believe that the AL had home field in even years and the NL in odd years…
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on Jul 16, 2008 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It sucked how the NL had nothing but scrubs after the 6th or so
while the AL had legitimate all-starss
by xene on Jul 16, 2008 9:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
um, how about
Aram and David Wright, Tejada, Russell Martin?
They call me MISTER Fukudome!
by brokenland on Jul 16, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tejeda...
Was unbelievable last night. He saved the game for the NL a few times with his glove.
"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 16, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he was!
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on Jul 16, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I was all ready...
...to crown Miggy Stardust the hero after he scored that go-ahead run. His loudmouthed antics bug me when he plays against the Cubs. But he was showing some great hustle last night.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, xene is right IMO
Noticed that too last night. Every time I turned around Corey Hart and Ryan Ludwick were walking back to the dugout.
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on Jul 16, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McLouth almost homered in the 12th...
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by IowaCubs- on Jul 16, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was screaming "home run"!
and then watched the right fielder camp under it. Crap!
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jul 16, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was impressed yet again by McLouth.
He made a nice throw to the plate.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They all looked way overmatched last night
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by BigJohnAZ on Jul 16, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last nights Umps
I sure it was written about earlier, but the Umps at 2nd and home had a bad night.
Fox had more Camera angles than normal, but 2 runners were clearly safe at 2nd that were called out on Steals and two plays at the plate were wrong one each way.
Perhaps the MLB needs a Room like the NHL in Toronto. just kidding
I've been bleeding double blue Cubbies & NY Rangers
by parrotinct on Jul 16, 2008 9:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thought I was gonna have a heart attack
Clint Hurdle running Aaron Cook out there 3 innings is beyond me. I was at a sportsbar in Denver watching last night and all the Rockies fans were blown away by this. Talk about favoritism. After letting runners get to third base in the first two innings he pitched, being bailed out on a call by the umpire, he goes out there AGAIN!
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on Jul 16, 2008 9:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
At least Hurdle did it to
his own pitcher. Imagine the outcry if he stuffed someone else’s ace in their for three innings.
by N Oakley on Jul 16, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not exactly
as mnetioned below, he did this to his own pticher, so he only had to answer to himself. Also, in that first inning, it wasn’t Cook’s fautl that there were runners at first and third, but Dan Uggla’s
They call me MISTER Fukudome!
by brokenland on Jul 16, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the NL had somehow won
I think a great case could have been made for Cook to be the MVP.
Francona made his own bed when some of his earlier pitchers could have went two and his closers could have went a full inning. Especially when it was obvious that extra innings was a distinct possibility.
Dome-san!!
by Goat Whisperer on Jul 16, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uggla
Had more to do with Cook’s baserunners than Cook did. I thought he pitched really well.
by gocubsgo22 on Jul 16, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big deal
Pitchers used to throw 3 innings in the ASG every year. And not that many years ago. Last to do it (before Cook) had been Greg Maddux in 1994. I have Cook on my fantasy team, so I guess I have some stake in the matter, and it doesn’t bother me at all. He’ll get plenty of time to rest.
"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979
by danimal15 on Jul 16, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if someone had already mentioned this but..
the best part was seeing Ryno out at 2nd base during the pre-game festivities WITHOUT seeing Joe Morgan’s smug ass out there too.
"I don’t believe that things go your way," said Lou Piniella, the Cubs manager.
"I believe you make things go your way."
by Basman on Jul 16, 2008 9:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
why wasnt morgan out there?
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 16, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He believes Chase Utley
is overrated. just kidding.
by N Oakley on Jul 16, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tied game
Bud could of said teams that make the WS with best record at end of season gets home field.
Both the CUBS & Angels are tied for best record right now so the AL & NL are at the same spot
I've been bleeding double blue Cubbies & NY Rangers
by parrotinct on Jul 16, 2008 9:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bad for Cubs, Good for me.
If Cubs make the World Series I have to fly in from New York for the games, as the
Cubs would have the middle 3 games at least two would be weekend games so I don’t
have to take the days off of work and it is also easier for me to book a flight. I have
enough miles ( roughly 250,000 on 3 different airlines) to hopefully cover post season needs. I am hoping new airline cutbacks won’t be a problem. I have never used miles
for anything but Cub “special” occasions.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 16, 2008 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel the same way.
I always said that if the Cubs make the series, I’m going to Chicago. The way it sets up now helps me too with work schedule and flights.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by tucsoncubsfan on Jul 16, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's What You Do
My wife usually runs and hides every time I say this, because a matter-of-fact speech soon follows:
First off, blow up the ASG. A meaningless exhibition that only serves as a needless injury risk, Give the players, managers, coaches, etc. a much needed week’s rest to visit the family.
Second, make the World Series experience more like the Super Bowl, in that you designate one locale as the site of the contests ahead of time and hype the hell out of it. Ideally it should be a warm weather city or one with a retractable roof and plenty of hotel rooms. Or invest in the infrastructure of Cooperstown and build new roads, accommodations, and a 40,000 seat stadium. As far as home field advantage, award it to the club with the best record. What’s most important is to sell this concept as a NATIONAL CELEBRATION OF THE GAME as well as a championship series.
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 16, 2008 10:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Could agree with the idea
to blow up the ASG, but neutral site for the WS? No way. The magic if the WS is the home towns and the fans seeing their team. To have the WS become the sterile marketing trick that is the Super Bowl would ruin post season baseball. Further, 1 game versus 7 games would make selling out the series difficult.
by N Oakley on Jul 16, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
No way on a neutral-site WS. For one thing, WHEN the Cubs finally make it, do you want the home games played anywhere but Wrigley Field? Not me.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 16, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Argument against best overall record as determining factor?
What is the argument against doing it like everyone else and giving it to team with best record?
In case of a tie there, maybe who has biggest lead in division or maybe biggest lead of overall record in respective league?
by JCD on Jul 16, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Selig: "Too Tough To Book Rooms On Short Notice"
Not that I believe it one bit….
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by CaliCub on Jul 16, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WARNING: Heresy Alert
You know, Al, I’d be so happy when the Cubs get that far I wouldn’t care if they played the WS in Nairobi.
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 16, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you would.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 16, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BCB Unfriendly To Kenya!
TOTALLY j/k. :-)
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by CaliCub on Jul 16, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep The Best 4-of-7 Format
Sorry, I should’ve specified.
Bud Selig, Fox, and their minions haven’t shied away from other sterile marketing tricks before, and in fact this one would be spared the “preserve the tradition” hypocrisy we see in so many other elements of the game. I’d rather see something like this happen as opposed to the phoney-baloney, contrived “importance” grafted onto the All-Star Game done in the name of “restoring the tradition”.
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 16, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another "Preserve The Tradition" Hypocrisy
is this whole idiotic notion of territorial broadcast rights.
Apologize for replying to my own post but there’s no “Edit” feature that would’ve allowed me to add this point onto my original one.
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by CaliCub on Jul 16, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the WS as currently offered, at home fields,
many fans would want to see multiple home games. With a sterile away site, it would hurt too many fans financially and crush the season ticket holders to lose their rights to games.
While MLB has resorted to marketing tricks and what not, the ASG still has relevance. However, the games relevance to me has always been about seeing all star players from other markets I don’t follow. Some of these are future HOFers and become players of interest to track over the years.
by N Oakley on Jul 16, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair Enough and Well Stated
Bottom line is, to have an EXHIBITION game determine WS HFA is dumb, IMO.
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 16, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
However, alternating HFA is just as dumb.
In the age of internet hotel, airline, and game ticket reservations, being able to accomplish the identical logistical challenge the NHL and NBA solve every year, would seem easy.
Make the regular season record count. Make having the best record in baseball really mean something.
by N Oakley on Jul 16, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please please please
when the Cubs finally make it, I better be able to sit in my bleacher seat and watch the game.
by gocubsgo22 on Jul 16, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say keep the ASG
but remove the WS codicil. Return it to a true exhibition, everyone gets to see the star players play at 95% and no injuries, like the NHL. And at the end of 9 innings, game over, or play one extra like in ST.
I totally hate the idea of a neutral site for the WS, that’s why I really don’t care about the Super Bowl. All the unrelenting hype and buildup. I can understand that the playing conditions will most likely be ideal unless the “home” team comes from a cold weather climate. Baseball in late October/early November in Chicago is no worse than April, and in reality, the weather is better than in the Spring. Plus, the Super Bowl is one game, winner take all. Playing 7 games in a neutral city is pretty costly for the fans.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jul 16, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From MLB's Perspective...
they could care less about Joe Season Ticket Holder. They’d just as soon fill the neutral site with conventioneers and well-heeled execs with padded expense accounts.
I get what you guys are saying about the sterility and hype machine that the Super Bowl has become, but I can deal with all that because the results is what counts to me. If I’m a Cubs fan, and they make it to the World Series, and the WS is played at the 40,000 seat Dyersville Field (just an example), then that’s fine with me. The Cubs winning a pennant means more to me than where they play the World Series.
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 16, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's put it this way
if you happen to be at a neutral stadium where the Cubs clinch the WS, and you can say that you don’t wish with all your heart that it should have been at Wrigley, with the hoisting of the “W” flag above the grand old scoreboard, and the pandemonium of people and players on the field, with the PA blasting “Go Cubs Go”, then there is something wrong! LOL
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jul 16, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about z throwing over manny's head?
maybe i’m reading into it too much, but i saw it as a playful “payback” pitch for manny not moving his warm up bat and causing soto to fall
funny moment none-the-less….aramis agreed
by cubswynn on Jul 16, 2008 10:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
thought it was great
and telling part is that Manny was laughing, so I’m guessing it was discussed before hand.
reminded me of good moments like Randy Johnson vs Kruk.
by JCD on Jul 16, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably not
I doubt that that is the reason. Z and Manny probably know each other and Z was just having a little bit of fun with him. I vaguelly remmeber Randy Johnson doing the same thing a few years ago at an ASG, I believe to John Kruk.
They call me MISTER Fukudome!
by brokenland on Jul 16, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but to the point above,
likely had nothing to do with the warmup bat
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 16, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Z throwing over Manny's head...
It looked to me like Z was trying to throw that ultra slow curve like he did his last outing, but it didn’t break.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jul 16, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone have a video clip...
...of Big Z’s inning? Or at least his “throwover” against Manny? I was kinda hoping mlb.com might stream the entire game for free, but that doesn’t appear to be the case.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mlb giving something for free?
next you’re gonna ask for games not to be blacked out hahaha…..why would you ever make such a silly request
by cubswynn on Jul 16, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, they stream regular season games...
...for free – the day after they’ve been played, of course. And Gameday is free (for the time being, at least). Waitaminute, did I just defend Major League Baseball?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Recently
I’ve been unable to watch certain games on MLB.tv after they’ve finished. I think it was Lilly’s last game I missed so I went back to check it out only to find out that I had to subscribe to watch the game. So just for kicks, I tried another game and noticed I could only click on individual 1/2 innings to watch whatever it was I looking for. This is different from the beginning of the year when I could click on any game after it was played and stream it in its entirety.
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on Jul 16, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I'll have to check that out.
I haven’t tried to stream a game recently, so maybe MLB has changed their policy. It certainly wouldn’t surprise me.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have the mlb.tv package
and me and about 4 people use it at the same time…..i feel like it’s my way of effin the man
by cubswynn on Jul 16, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLB.TV is free right now
I just watched the last few innings of the ASG, but I think the offer ends July 18th.
(They advertised “one week free” in return for a vote in the 32nd man competition knowing that there would be no games on 2 of those days. Typical MLB…)
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jul 16, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll see what I can do.
"It’s like they have 40,000 players on one team. Forty thousand people want to be in the dugout slapping fives. ‘Passionate’ is an understatement. Fans like that are special." -- Giants LHP Alex Hinshaw on Wrigley Field
by northsider on Jul 16, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, got it. Check the FanShots!
"It’s like they have 40,000 players on one team. Forty thousand people want to be in the dugout slapping fives. ‘Passionate’ is an understatement. Fans like that are special." -- Giants LHP Alex Hinshaw on Wrigley Field
by northsider on Jul 16, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was the same pitch he got over for a strike against vs.the Reds against Phillips, no?
This one just didn’t break.
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on Jul 16, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I thought when I saw it
I knew I saw it recently in one of his starts.
by jajonez77 on Jul 16, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For those that didn't see it
The pitch in question. And FWIW, I can’t stand MLB’s video format.
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on Jul 16, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is everyone complaining?
I mean, so the NL lost, boo hoo. Am I the only one who was actually into this game til the very end? I mean, except for Uggla, this was a good, fun, game.
They call me MISTER Fukudome!
by brokenland on Jul 16, 2008 10:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not complaining about result
...but the length and odd circumstances really illustrated how goofy the rule is
by JCD on Jul 16, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And what happens if Kazmir's arm falls off...
...then Seilig would be left trying to explain this silly home field advantage rule. If it’s all for ratings, then why go with a roster unfit for 15 innings?
Proud recipient of a hot dog shot from the Iowa Cubs hot dog gun.
by IowaCubs- on Jul 16, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and francona have some 'splainin to do as well
hence the ‘angst-fest’ as someone properly described it
by JCD on Jul 16, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I'm complaining (mildly) because...
...this Cubs team has a pretty legitimate shot at the postseason, and having home field advantage in the World Series – should they get that far – would have been a huge boost. That aside, yeah, it was a fairly entertaining, if interminably long, baseball contest.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am complaining
because the game was bad. Allstar caliber players can’t move runners over anymore, can’t sacrifice bunt anymore. The teams were something like 3 for 27 with runners in scoring position. Maybe we are moving into another pitchers era, because the pitching was very good.
by nks6911 on Jul 16, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When all-star hitters face all-star pitchers,
especially ones they haven’t seen before, the pitchers usually win.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jul 16, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When regular hitter face regular pitchers...
the pitchers usually win.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 16, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Snap, Crackle AND Pop!
Proud recipient of a hot dog shot from the Iowa Cubs hot dog gun.
by IowaCubs- on Jul 16, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What About THIS To Determine WS Home Field
The league that posts the best interleague record for that season?
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by CaliCub on Jul 16, 2008 10:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
better than ASG
but my preference is still to let teams determine their own fate more directly. In any sport, your own performance should be the prime determining factor in your circumstances (seeding, home court/field, draft, etc)
by JCD on Jul 16, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've been saying for years now
you should give it to the team with the most starting pitchers from canada
by cubswynn on Jul 16, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if anybody has said this yet today.
But Tejada played great. and I hate the astros more then almost anybody. But he made a couple of really good plays both with his baserunning and his glove. I think you gotta hand it to him, he gave it his all. If everyone played like him that game for the NL we would have killed the AL. However, I still strongly dislike the guy and the team he plays for.
by huskercubby on Jul 16, 2008 10:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, he had a good game
might have been MVP if the NL had pulled it out.
by SuperContext on Jul 16, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tejada/Cook co MVP's
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by BigJohnAZ on Jul 16, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Tejada played a helluva game but to say that if everyone played like him that we would’ve killed the AL is a bit much. In that sense, if everyone pitched like Demp, we would’ve no-hit them and killed them also.
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on Jul 16, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I surprised
no one has berated Hart for his awful, inexcusably bad technique on that shallow fly ball that scored the winning run. He didn’t wait to charge the ball so he had any momentum, and he caught the ball practically flat-footed behind his head. Oh yeah…and the runner tagging up at third base was a catcher. FAIL.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 16, 2008 10:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I thought his throw home was pretty lame. It bounced 2 or 3 times before the catcher gloved it up the 1st base line. Pathetic.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jul 16, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jacque Jones could have made a better throw....
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jul 16, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Yankee fan friend at the game
referred to it as his Johnny Damon imitation . He was very impressed by Cub pitchers
especially Dempster.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 16, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should've let McClouth
catch it and throw it for him
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by Jayo525 on Jul 16, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I missed the play...
...but don’t doubt your description. Let’s hope he and the rest of the Brewers play similarly bad defense the rest of the way out.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McLouth wasn't in position to make any better of...
a throw home. I took one good thing from last night’s ASG. Marmol looked great.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 16, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually all Cub pitchers looked great IMO!
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Jul 16, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure you were responding to my comment
I was simply making light of the fact how bad a throw it was and if anything speaking to McClouth’s clutch throw to catch Navarro at the plate. (even if he was actually safe)
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on Jul 16, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...and I agree with you.
Hart could have made a much better throw.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 16, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait wasn't the runner Morneau?
I may not remember as I was somewhere between REM and anger.
I will say someone ought to keep Uggla on suicide watch today. IMO, he single handedly cost the NL a win. I know none of his errors cost them runs but his ABs were absolutely atrocious!
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Jul 16, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My mistake...I get Morneau and Mauer mixed up all the time...
it wasn’t a catcher…it was a first-baseman. Not much difference…infact…Mauer may be faster of the two.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 16, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely
Morneau is slow footed and that throw was horrible. It was bound to happen though right? How many plays at the plate were we going to see before one went bad?
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Jul 16, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was Michael Stipe bothering you last night, too?
Man, that guy is such a pain in the ass.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, the REM reference...
I hate it when Stipe tells us how to live our lives. How about putting out some good music. (Although their latest album really isn’t that bad…) It’s just hard for them to live up to what they did early in their career.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 16, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I heard the first single...
...from their latest album and found it fairly pleasing to the ear. I still respect them as a band but kinda gave up following them years ago.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too.
Saw them years ago in the beginning of their “pop” phase- the Green tour. It was one of the best shows I’ve ever seen. Although NRBQ opened, and they were terrible live, (not that I ever liked them anyway…)
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 16, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was my Stipe cabbage patch kid...
he just sits there on my shelf and stares at me all judgementally!
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Jul 16, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if you pull the string in his back...
....he incoherently mumbles stream-of-consciousness lyrics.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that what those are????
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Jul 16, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stipe, Henley, and Waters
The Traveling Smug-burys.
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by CaliCub on Jul 16, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Z's pitch to Manny
included in ESPN highlight package here
by JCD on Jul 16, 2008 11:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sweet, thanks!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My goat is Billy Wagner
if not Clint Hurdle for bringing him in the first place. Wilson was throwing gas last night and I saw no reason to bring him out. Wagner did a fine job of giving up a GR double to Longoria to tie the game though. Reminds me of I think 06? when Hoffman was brought in and gave up the go ahead HR to Michael Young (who coincidentally had the GW RBI last night).
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on Jul 16, 2008 11:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i think it was a double or a triple not a homerun
by xene on Jul 16, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
I think it was a go ahead triple, IIRC. Nonetheless, I don’t think Wagner should have pitched last night. Woulda coulda shoulda
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on Jul 16, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was screaming "NOT WAGNER" at the TV when I saw him trotting in
I knew he was going to blow it.
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by BigJohnAZ on Jul 16, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish we could have seen more of Rami...
I understand lifting him for a pinch runner and all. However, Guzman, (as well as he played), isn’t a third baseman.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 16, 2008 11:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It would have been nice if Guzman was playing 2nd huh?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 16, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
I think he could have done a better job than Uggla.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 16, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Per ESPN
Carlos Quentin says of the game last night, “Both teams were going at really hard.” Anyone?
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on Jul 16, 2008 11:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think everyone was playing hard,
but I remember some instances where both my AL friend & I looked at each other and said… “Did it look like he wasn’t going all out?” So, in other words, I don’t know. What do you think?
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 16, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hm, I'm not sure she would say that.
Now if he’d said only, “We were going at it really hard.” TWSS!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Intro
The legends intro was outstanding. 2 things. Wade Boggs wears a Yankee hat? He played the majority of his career in Boston. I bet if the game was at Fenway, he would’ve wore a Sox hat. Tony Gwynn? What the hell? He looks like he’s pushing 400 lbs.
Pujols was safe at 2nd initially but he took his foot off the bag anyway so he really was out. Navarro was safe at home, I watched that replay 10 times. Great game all in all.
"Please move away from this vector and get into another coordinate pronto. There's no access for you in this quadrant." Mike Donnelly
by McRipper on Jul 16, 2008 11:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It appeared that
guys had hats matching their induction, but also were given hats to hold/wear for other major teams. Winfield also was holding a Yankee hat, etc.
by N Oakley on Jul 16, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that
but Boggs was inducted as a Boston Red Sox player. I could understand if he wore a Boston hat and had a Yankee hat like Winfield did, but he wore a Yankee hat.
"Please move away from this vector and get into another coordinate pronto. There's no access for you in this quadrant." Mike Donnelly
by McRipper on Jul 16, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was assuming he had the BoSox hat
in his hand or his pocket. Those guys were shamelessly pandering to the NY crowd.
by N Oakley on Jul 16, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Additionally,
Wasn’t Boggs the guy that changed the rule. I sort of recall him willing to go in as a Devil Ray in exchange for cash and the HOF stepping in and stopping that plan.
by N Oakley on Jul 16, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right about that.
Somebody definitely tried, I think it was Boggs.
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by McRipper on Jul 16, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sucks that Boggs was there and not Santo...
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jul 16, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I like most about the all star game
Is that it is over. Now the Cubs can take a couple of days off and then focus on handing out some more beatdowns. Clinch this division during the last homestand, then go up to NY and eliminate the Mets, then go to Milwaukee and eliminate the Brewers from the WC.
Current temperature in hell: 45 degrees F - and falling!
by wnielsen on Jul 16, 2008 11:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope that...
Kosuke gets rested up really well, since he looked absolutely horrible at the plate last night.
His 2-at bats had to be some of the worse swings I have ever seen from an All-Star! He if doesn’t shake out of his slump soon, we could be in trouble in the OF. Maybe we should try to pick up Xavier Nady as a backup plan if Fukedome can’t get it going in the second half.
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Jul 16, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fukudome's last 10 games
6 for 33
3 BB’s
12 K’s
.182 BA, Season at home BA .348, season away BA .212
Reached base in 7 of those 10, though.
Still, he needs to adjust or get his energy back, whatever, and start hitting on the road.
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by BigJohnAZ on Jul 16, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With what are you going to get Nady?
Although I think that Hendry did the right thing in trading for Harden, he used most of the available trade chips to do it. We probably don’t have enough to get anything more than a bench bat at this point.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jul 16, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My +1
was in response to CubFanSince1970’s comment on Fukodome. He looked worse than ever last night, but the swings were pretty typical of what he’s been doing lately at the plate for the Cubs. He should not have even been at the ASG. Maybe I’m panicking, but I agree with the other poster that we may need another OF bat in the 2H.
"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979
by danimal15 on Jul 16, 2008 12:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Its been said before... its kosuke's swing that makes him look even worse.
he will come out of the slump.
by xene on Jul 16, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I'd be lying if I said...
...I wasn’t worried about Dome. But I’ve been so bullish on him from the git-go that I’m not going to back down now. He will figure this thing out.
OK, Kosuke, repeat after me: “If the pitch is low and away, I will not swing today.”
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dome
I have a gnawing worry that pitchers have figured him out. They all seem to get him out now with the same sort of pitches. And he doesn’t seem to be adjusting. Well, maybe he is and I’m just not seeing it.
"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979
by danimal15 on Jul 16, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
BP.
Best guess is FLA series.
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 16, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which means 13 pitchers for a while longer
Rich Harden Fever, Catch It !!!!!!!!!!
by MDBNIU on Jul 16, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Houston series
I dread when the Cubs go to Houston. I must have bad memories from earlier in this decade, because it seems to me their record there is actually not too bad in recent years. Does anyone know what the Cubs’ overall record is at the new ballpark? (Maybe my fear of Houston is residual from all those years when the Cubs just couldn’t buy a win at the AstroDome.)
"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979
by danimal15 on Jul 16, 2008 12:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This year...
2-1 @ Home
1-2 @ Houston
Hang on for more info.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 16, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The numbers are...
OVERALL RECORD SINCE 2000
HOME AWAY TOTAL 31-33 36-35 67-68
RECORDS BY YEAR
YEAR HOME AWAY 2000 2-4 3-3 2001 3-4 5-5 2002 4-6 4-5 2003 4-3 5-4 2004 4-6 6-3 2005 4-2 5-5 2006 2-4 5-4 2007 6-3 2-4 2008 2-1 1-2 (SO FAR)
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 16, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the beard of Neptune and the eight arms of the Kraken...
...this information warms me heart from starboard to aft.
Thanks, matey!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are welcome...
and the dreaded pirate greybar is useful!
Using the “pre” HTML tags (preformatted text) helps easily align colums AND gives you the added benefit of the “greybar”.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 16, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those wacky SBN technofreaks...
...there’s a method to their madness, I tell ya!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I guess they’ve done all right there, after all. Except for last year. I still dislike that place immensely. Way too cutesy, with the train and everything. And it bothers me that they have those ridges out there in center field. I know it’s supposed to remind people of some old-time ballpark that was built on a hill and actually had an elevated area in the outfield, but this ballpark I’m pretty sure was built on flat geography, if I know Houston well enough. So it’s another gimmick.
"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979
by danimal15 on Jul 16, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Houston
I still have AstroDome nightmares, most prominently the game in 1998 that the Cubs lost when Terry Mulholland fielded an easy ground ball and tossed it about 10 feet over Mark Grace’s head at first to allow the winning run to score in a key contest.
"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979
by danimal15 on Jul 16, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mulholland
The game I mentioned was on Aug. 15, 1998. The Cubs blew a 4-0 lead, with Beck giving up a game-tying homer to Alou in the 9th. Mulholland walked 5 batters in 1.2 innings but was about to escape unscathed on the easy grounder, but he threw the ball away to lose the game. That one was very hard to stomach.
"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979
by danimal15 on Jul 16, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saw this and laughed
Dan Uggla needs to have a movie night!
by TyCubsfan on Jul 16, 2008 1:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he can get
Tom Eumansky’s number from Fred McGriff.
by N Oakley on Jul 16, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dan Uggla has always been a bad 2nd baseman
Rich Harden Fever, Catch It !!!!!!!!!!
by MDBNIU on Jul 16, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that what your sabremagicks tell you?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but he has some pop in that bat
hope he and the Marlins don’t own us like he/they have the last two years
Uggla vs Cubs: .302/.400/.558 in 12 games, 43 AB, 2 HR, 9 RBI
"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."
by flachimesa on Jul 16, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marmol
He did well last night, but he still did not have the killer stuff that he sometimes does. For example, when he is really on, he can consistently throw the backup slider that appears to be coming inside to a right-hand hitter, but pops into the strike zone at the last second. He tried for that one once last night, but it did not pop all of the way back in the strike zone. He made that pitch once last night, too, and got the backup movement.
I am not sure whether some rest will get him back to the consistent, electric movement that he used to have. I hope so. He does need more composure, as Dempster and Wood have learned to have, when he does not have his best stuff, or when the umpire is not calling the edge of the plate slider. Maybe that is what Lou is trying to drill into him.
by vonde6 on Jul 16, 2008 1:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A lot of All-Stars flashed evidence of wanting the game to end after the 9th
I think for most All-Stars that don’t give a rip about the final score. I can understand why.
Rich Harden Fever, Catch It !!!!!!!!!!
by MDBNIU on Jul 16, 2008 1:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And what evidence would that be?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Youkilis is younger version of Al Yellon
I’m just sayin. Youkilis is a dead ringer for Al absent some of the wrinkles.
Rich Harden Fever, Catch It !!!!!!!!!!
by MDBNIU on Jul 16, 2008 1:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not exactly
Other than being Jewish and not having much hair ( I think in Youkilis’ case this may be by choice)
I don’t see a lot of resemblance . Also I don’t see Youkillis taking out a huge umbrella during light showers.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 16, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does he like BigGulps?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 16, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I see Youkilis
I think of John Malkovich.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by tucsoncubsfan on Jul 16, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
worst night
“so the worst night last night was had by plate umpire Derryl Cousins.”
My vote goes to Uggla by far. Not only did his three errors almost lose the game for the NL, but he also grounded into a DP with a runner on 3rd.
Bleeding Cubbie Blue since 1985.
by Bricks and Ivy on Jul 16, 2008 2:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Idea heard on radio
Discussion was how to change ASG to protect players and avoid embarrassment.
How would you feel if they limited the game to 10 innings and brought in 12 pitchers with the rule that no pitcher throw more than one inning?
Would anyone feel cheated about not having a ‘winner’ if they saw 10 innings? Use some equally random determinate as a tiebreak for Home Field
by JCD on Jul 16, 2008 2:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just guessin' here...
Traditionally, ML teams don’t announce trades between the Friday before the ASG and the game itself—so as not to detract from the game itself. Now it’s the day after the ASG, so…
I wonder if the Cubs are going to be finalizing a trade for Marquis or Wuertz today or tomorrow? There is no reason to keep Marshall on the roster as a RP (Cotts has done a good job and Eyre is almost ready to return) - he would be better off staying stretched out at Iowa - except that Lou may have him penciled in (with invisible ink) to make Jason Marquis’s next start after a trade.
(Note that the 10 day rule for options is not waived if a player is traded, only if a player is put on the DL.)
Eyre would probably replace Hart on the roster (and honesty compels me to admit that Hart doesn’t look like a ML pitcher this year), but that would still leave them with 13 pitchers.
Anyone have any ideas?
Next question: which position player comes up when they go down to 12 pitchers? Hoffpauir (who basically duplicates Ward)? Pie? Do they just wait for Sori? The one downside of the Harden trade is that it robs us of our ML ready position player depth.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jul 16, 2008 2:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't imagine Marquis going
because of his contract. He has also had a few good starts ( admittedly against the lowly
hitting Giants) Marshall will stay till Eyre comes back. I think the move you are missing
is Lieber. He is the pitching version of Murton, a useful player Lou has no faith in but
could be very useful to another team. I am sure Phillies, Yankees or Mets would be glad
to have him and not like we use him for much of anything.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 16, 2008 2:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You might be right.
It’s funny. Last year, Lou continually pissed and moaned about not having a long reliever, but he seldom needed him as the rotation was pretty good at going 6 innings. He even kept Gallagher in the ML when he should have been in Iowa’s rotation, but hardly ever used him.
This year, Lou got his wish - a long reliever. Yet Lieber has been seen so rarely that he might be in the witness protection program - again, the rotation hasn’t had very many short outings.
If the Cubs do trade Lieber, would Marshall then fall into long reliever limbo?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jul 16, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't stay up for
all of the game but saw highlights this morning. I wish the NL would have won but they didn’t. This just means the Cubs have to find ways to win on the road. They do that and if they make it to the WS they should be ok.
Very happy to see that our pitchers did very well. Hope Marmol’s outing is a step to him being his old self.
Friday seems years away doesn’t it?
Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.
by sue369 on Jul 16, 2008 2:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Eons away...
I’ll have to survive off the games tomorrow. It’s other teams though, and not my beloved Cubs! Friday, please come soon!
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 16, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Half way there bud.
But, I have to say Kosuke Fukudome did not look like he belonged. He’s in a massive slump—and seems to be going through growing pains, hopefully. Geo looked alittle nervous, but he did OK.
I am glad, also that our pitchers pitched well.
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by Unique on Jul 16, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Friday will be here before we know it...
Dome is tired. Now I know this sounds like an excuse, but… He’s in the Majors for the 1st time, adjusting to a new country, a new city, a new league. He didn’t really show any growing pains at the start of the year. Then the Cubs headed into a tough travel schedule stretch. East coast, Home, West Coast. Over in Japan, the teams are much closer together, so travel doesn’t really take the toll that it does in the Majors over here. I think, seeing the proud, competitive, hard working player that Dome is, he’ll be resting as much as possible today and tomorrow. Then he’ll get back to form in the 2nd half. Better to have this happen now, than in August and September- for both him and Marmol…
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 16, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling you are 100% correct
plus the added pressure of playoff type atmosphere game in and game out. He needs this break more than anybody.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jul 16, 2008 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just hope two days...
...is enough of a break. It’s not like he’s taking a whole week off or anything.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sun Times
had a funny item today:
(On this day in history):
July 16, 1937: Lee Elia (expletive) born, doesn’t go out and get a
(expletive) job and earn a (expletive) living for several years. Cubs
lose 6-1 at Boston.
"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979
by danimal15 on Jul 16, 2008 4:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Al in here today?
I wanna solve this problem where he thinks I have met him, is there somebody with a similar name as mine on here?
"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes
by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 16, 2008 5:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he responded
check your replies in your profile
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jul 16, 2008 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, apparently there is.
Check your email.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 16, 2008 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Home Field - 2/3/2 is the Prob - it should be 2/2/1/1/1
I hate losing home field but i think prob could be solved by going 2/2/1/1/1. Reason this: Yes, the home team is expected to “Hold Serve” in games 1 & 2. If they do, then, THE OTHER TEAM INSTANTLY, AUTOMATICALLY, HAS NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER to win the thing AT HOME, and the first team knows no matter how badly it gets pounded in games 3/4/5, it is going back home. (See 1991 Twins/Braves… 2001 Yanks/D-Backs) That stinks! 2/2/1/1/1 is great because if you are the away team, you can lose 1&2, win 3&4 at home, then know if you can “steal” game 5 you can seal it in front of the home crowd in game 6. To re-iterate, i greatly dislike that the place where the series can end may already be decided after Game 2. I actually finally saw someone else who mirrored my thoughts here…
Anyway, just a thought. 2 other interesting notes. In the 1996 World Series, the home team went 1-5. Braves won 1&2 in Yankee Stadium. Yanks won 3-4-5 in Atlanta, and clinched Game 6 at home, the only home team victory. The 1993 NBA finals, the home team also went 1-5. Bulls won 1&2 in PHX; Suns won Game 3 in Triple OT; Bulls won Game 4 (the only home win); Suns won Game 5 in Chi; Paxton jumper won Game 6 in PHX.
Of course, we could also have all 7 games in a neutral site like the Super Bowl…. just kidding!!!!
by nervousCUBlover on Jul 16, 2008 7:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
2-2-1-1-1 isn't really doable in baseball, because...
.... doing that in the NBA stretches out the format to two weeks. If you did that in baseball you’d be playing till mid-November.
Also—I think the 2-2-1-1-1 format in the NBA is only for the preliminary rounds. The Finals are 2-3-2.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 16, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see the audio clip in the FanPosts that you requested?
"It’s like they have 40,000 players on one team. Forty thousand people want to be in the dugout slapping fives. ‘Passionate’ is an understatement. Fans like that are special." -- Giants LHP Alex Hinshaw on Wrigley Field
by northsider on Jul 17, 2008 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Selig Can't 'Decree' Anything, Though He Might Like to
C’mon Al, if we can’t be fair (and who could blame us), at least be accurate. Bud Selig did not ‘decree’ that the winner of the All-Star Game would get home field advantage. It was a negotiated agreement between management and the union.
More than most, I think Selig’s a dweeb, but he only deserves half of the credit/blame.
by Northpith on Jul 17, 2008 9:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wrigley field vs yankess stadium
After watching the entire All-Star game I had several views of Yankee Stadium. Although it is a great ballpark, it still can not compare to Wrigley Field. Just looking at these Wrigley Field Prints confirms my belief. This photographer also has some amazing Chicago Photos. A great city with an even better ballpark.
by chitechmusic on Jul 17, 2008 7:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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