This Time It Counts... And Counts... And Counts... AL 4, NL 3
This is the sixth year since Bud Selig decreed that the All-Star Game result would determine home field in the World Series.
And you know what? In the previous five years it hasn't made a single bit of difference. The AL won the World Series in 2004, 2005 and 2007, and all of those were four-game sweeps, so each team had two home games. And the NL won the World Series in 2003 and 2006 without the home-field advantage -- in 2003, each team had three home games, and in 2006, the winning Cardinals played three games on the road and two at home. (And note, no World Series in this time period has gone the full seven games.)
Now, in 2008, when home field seems to be more of an advantage than ever before in major league baseball -- at the All-Star break, only three teams, the Cardinals, the Phillies and the Angels, have winning records on the road -- maybe the AL's 15-inning, 4-3 win over the NL will make a difference in the World Series result. But that's far from certain, so save your angst, especially since it's also far from certain what teams will be playing beginning Wednesday, October 22 in the AL city.
About the game itself, since it went into those long extra innings -- tying the ASG record for innings and becoming the longest one by time -- I didn't see anything past the 9th inning, when Ryan Dempster struck out the side (Cubs pitchers looked good last night, Cubs hitters, not so much). Seeing replays this morning, it appeared that Dioner Navarro got his foot to the plate just before he was tagged in the 11th inning, so the game could have ended an hour earlier than it did. And Justin Morneau looked like he got tagged just before he scored the eventual winning run -- so the worst night last night was had by plate umpire Derryl Cousins.
What I really want to talk about was the pregame introductions, done in a way we've never seen before. 49 Hall of Famers stood near the positions they played, including the nearly 86-year-old Ralph Kiner and nearly 90-year-old Bob Feller, taking perhaps their last bows on a national stage. They were joined by the starting players for last night's game, reminding all of us how baseball connects generations. Joe Buck, replacing 97-year-old Yankee Stadium PA announcer Bob Sheppard, who was too ill to attend, said that it was the greatest collection of baseball talent ever assembled in one place. Buck, as are most Fox announcers, is prone to hype, but for once, saying that wasn't. Parades are silly when it comes to events like this, but the pregame introductions were all baseball. It was nice to see Cub Hall of Famers Fergie Jenkins, Billy Williams, Ryne Sandberg and Ernie Banks among the contingent -- but that only made me lament Ron Santo's absence from the third base group; he belongs, and perhaps next year he will join them.
Now we rest for a couple of days -- eight teams resume the schedule tomorrow (including the Cardinals), and the Cubs and the rest on Friday. Let the real games begin. The best is yet to come.
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Ya the introductions were very nice.
It was great seeing Ryno there as well.
by bakester on Jul 16, 2008 8:10 AM CDT 0 recs
I don't know...
Seeing replays this morning, it appeared that Dioner Navarro got his foot to the plate just before he was tagged in the 11th inning, so the game could have ended an hour earlier than it did. And Justin Morneau looked like he got tagged just before he scored the eventual winning run—so the worst night last night was had by plate umpire Derryl Cousins.
That’s a pretty subjective claim. I thought the plate umpire was calling a good game. Had a pretty consistent strike zone the whole time back there.
"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk
by NittanyCub on Jul 16, 2008 8:13 AM CDT 0 recs
Of course it's a subjective claim...
... I agree with you on the ball/strike calls. But on two game-changing calls, he may have blown both of them (the 11th inning call appeared far worse than the 15th inning one).
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by Al on
Jul 16, 2008 8:20 AM CDT
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Yes, Navarro was definitely safe
but the calls at second base were poor as well. Basically, if the ball beat you, you were out.
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by BigJohnAZ on
Jul 16, 2008 8:25 AM CDT
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if you watch the game again you will find
That the umpiring crew was awful at best. The strike three call on chase Utley, and strike two call on Hanley Ramirez, where not even close to the plate. Which gave the hitters a clear indication that they better gon up swinging. Navarro was clearly safe at home, and there is nothing subjective about it. There were also two blown calls at second base on stolen bases. All in the n.l.’s favor though.
by nks6911 on
Jul 16, 2008 10:41 AM CDT
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I definitely agree about the strike three call to Utley.
That pitch was well off the plate.
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by dat cubfan daver on
Jul 16, 2008 11:01 AM CDT
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Yeah, I might need to see it again.
I shouldn’t paid more attention to the umpires.
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by NittanyCub on
Jul 16, 2008 11:38 AM CDT
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Should've*
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by NittanyCub on
Jul 16, 2008 11:38 AM CDT
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I think it was also pretty definitive that
Morneau was safe at the plate. No argument here. But yes, the calls at second were bad. Although, I have no idea why Pujols tested Ichiro’s arm, he slid under the tag at 2nd. And I think it was Kinsler, who got called out on an attempted SB but the replay showed Tejada never even tagged him.
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on
Jul 16, 2008 11:41 AM CDT
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I was totally unimpressed with Daryl Cousins' performance behind the plate
A number of ball and strike calls were way off and his consistentcy was dicey.
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by cubfever7 on
Jul 16, 2008 2:46 PM CDT
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I liked the introductions, but that game was a joke.
Even though it didn’t end in a tie something has to be done to prevent that from happening. Aside from the stupid home field advantage thing, they need to introduce free substitution and re-entry by position players.
To solve the pitching problem, each manager shoud have to have two of his minor league pitchers sit in the bullpen and they could be the long relievers.
Imagine being a Baltimore fan this morning, your closer just went longer than he had in any regular season game, and it will most likely benifit a team in your division.
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by nji232 on Jul 16, 2008 8:17 AM CDT 0 recs
I'm very tired
because of the game last night and I didn’t even stay up till the end. The entire game I felt the NL would somehow lose the game and they did.
It is ridiculous that the All-Star game determines homefield in the World Series but with a contending team like the Cubs I definitely watched a lot more than I would have without that rule.
Lets do it Cubbies
by slocs55 on Jul 16, 2008 8:17 AM CDT 0 recs
Me too.
I made it to somewheres around the 13th and then went into “must get to bed!” panic. But I guess this is what Bud Selig wants – legions of baseball addicts risking sleep deprivation because this one counts!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Jul 16, 2008 9:57 AM CDT
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dempster
i just cant get over the fact that this guy is legitimately a shutdown pitcher when he commands his pitches. the AL can have their home field advantage, with our pitching and our offense this cubs team doesnt need it come october—if they get there.
Soriano - Dome - DLee - Aramis - Soto. If that doesnt turn you on you're not human.
by kylejo on Jul 16, 2008 8:20 AM CDT 0 recs
2006 World Series...Cardinals won the series 4-1
2 Games in Detroit, 3 in STL.
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on Jul 16, 2008 8:20 AM CDT 0 recs
Whoops, I got that backwards, BUT...
... it still proves my point: losing home-field advantage did NOT hurt the Cardinals.
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by Al on
Jul 16, 2008 8:22 AM CDT
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I'm not sure that I agree
If you lose 2 road games to start, you’re in a big hole.
20 of the last 25 WS champions have had home field advantage . . .
by Shanghai Badger on
Jul 16, 2008 8:44 AM CDT
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If we can win one of the first two
I like our chances.
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by BigJohnAZ on
Jul 16, 2008 8:48 AM CDT
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Gotta get there first
My statement isn’t about the Cubs, it’s the ridiculous system in general.
As far as the chances go, IF the Cubs make it to the WS, I wouldn’t be guaranteeing 3 W’s at Wrigley Field – chances are, the A.L. champion will be a decent team, too . . .
by Shanghai Badger on
Jul 16, 2008 9:00 AM CDT
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If you lose 2 home games....
....you’re in a much bigger hole.
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by TXCub on
Jul 16, 2008 8:55 AM CDT
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Loved the game
hated the outcome. Uggla probably wishes he stayed home LOL. The one thing I am glad is that his fielding didn’t affect the outcome, but his at bats did.
ALso glad the Cub pitchers pitched very well, too bad our bats didn’t show up, but most of the NL’s bats were silenced all night as well.
If the Cubs get to play in the big dance, hopefully we’ll be a better road team by then.
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by BigJohnAZ on Jul 16, 2008 8:23 AM CDT 0 recs
I concur
Fun game to watch, and since I work second shift, the lateness of it didn’t bother me. Good to see the Cubs pitchers do well, particularly Marmol. This should be a real shot in the arm (no pun intended) for him.
Not to project too far into the future, but if the Cubs make it as far as the WS, all it takes is one road victory …
by Not Bruce Froemming on
Jul 16, 2008 8:29 AM CDT
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Yes, one road win
and we can wrap it up at the Friendly Confines.
Marmol looked like he’s back to form, Dempster was awesome, and Z’s pickoff of Bradley was great, too.
The one good result as far as Francona is concerned, is that he didn’t have to use Kasmir more than that one inning. That’s the problem when you have so many specialist pitchers in the ASG and a lot of the starters/middle guys pitched on Sunday.
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by BigJohnAZ on
Jul 16, 2008 8:35 AM CDT
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The problem
isn’t the rosters. The problem is too many “specialty” pitchers and this over-arching philosophy that pitchers must be treated like china dolls.
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by danimal15 on
Jul 16, 2008 11:42 AM CDT
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Felt Terrible for Uggla
Dan Uggla is the only former Memphis State/Univ. of Memphis Tiger to be in the All-Star Game since Charlie Lea in the early 1980’s. I really wanted to see him do well in this game because his career appeared dead in the water in the D-Backs organization in 2005. I’m glad the NL did not lose the game because of one of Uggla’s errors.
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by memphiscub on
Jul 16, 2008 10:52 AM CDT
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Fan Graphs
If you looked at Fan Graphs, Uggla had an awful game, and that’s minus his fielding. Ughh, and McCarver and Buck were both apologetic about the bad hop for his 3rd error. Yes it was a bad hop, but if Uggla would have charged the ball more, that hop never happens.
by MerigoldBowling on Jul 16, 2008 8:30 AM CDT 0 recs
I don't know about that
usually, 2nd basemen don’t have to charge balls because they have the short throw. I thought the error was undeserved.
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by BigJohnAZ on
Jul 16, 2008 8:37 AM CDT
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Option?
Would you rather that ball was ruled a hit? Make no apologies for Uggla, his fielding last night was brutal. BRUTAL. Good infielders pick their hop and whether he charges that ball or not, his hands were really slow on that play. Even worse, his throw to home plate was woefully deliberate. Perhaps they don’t get Sizemore anyway but that throw was the slowest play I’ve seen since Pete Vukovich tried to throw out Wille Mays Hayes in Major League. In addition, one of the plays Uggla actually recorded an out, the ball hit him in the heel of his glove because his hands are so slow. How this guy has only six errors this year is beyond me. I won’t even get into his night at the plate. Awful all the way around. Just plain awful. Yes it happens. But he was simply terrible.
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by krummy12 on
Jul 16, 2008 8:47 AM CDT
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Sure, he was brutal all around last night
but typically, don’t the scorers give the benefit of the doubt on bad hop balls? Each play is scored on its own merits, and not a cumulative effect.
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by BigJohnAZ on
Jul 16, 2008 8:51 AM CDT
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Damn Uggla
That’s his new name. I can’t help but think that without his heroics and the fine pitching done by the Cincy wunderkid Volquez the NL might just have had home field advantage. That is something that’s pretty important this year, considering that the Cubs are (so far) the best team in the NL and probably the favorites to get to the WS. Nice work Damn Uggla. Remember the Detroit/St. Louis WS where all the talk was about pitchers fielding practice (pfp). How about the Marlins institute some 2bfp?
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by pageian on
Jul 16, 2008 8:57 AM CDT
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I laughed...
...when the Yankee Stadium bleachers started cheering “Hit it to Uggla”. Besides his 3 errors, his double pump to home ruined a double play. He was clearly shaken.
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by carmen_fanzone on
Jul 16, 2008 8:59 AM CDT
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Lol
I missed that, “Hit it to Uggla”. That had to be embarrassing for him.
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by pageian on
Jul 16, 2008 9:08 AM CDT
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How about Papelbon?
The NY “fans” were all chanting “OVERRATED” or something.
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by BigJohnAZ on
Jul 16, 2008 9:12 AM CDT
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They totally shook him...
... he was off the mark last night and it showed.
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by IowaCubs- on
Jul 16, 2008 9:23 AM CDT
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Yeah, the chanting during Papelbon's appearance...
...was pretty remarkable. As heated as the Cubs-Cards (and, to a lesser extent for the time being, Cubs-Brewers) rivarly gets, it’s never gotten quite that personal to my recollection.
I must confess, howeve, that part of me admires Yankee fans for showing that kinda unity in getting inside an opposing pitcher’s head. Of couse, at the same time, they were conveniently ignoring the fact that, last night, Papelbon was on their team.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Jul 16, 2008 10:02 AM CDT
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Regarding the home field advantage...
I had the same view last night, remarking on the fact that none of the recent world series games even went to game 7. But then right after I said that I thought about the fact that the team with home field advantage plays their first two games at home (correct?) allowing them to gain a huge momentum (confidence?) boost. But what is the saying… momentum is only as good as tomorrows starter?
by GoCubbies34 on Jul 16, 2008 8:40 AM CDT 0 recs
Yep
Boston was down 3 games to 1 against Cleveland last year, IIRC. If a team can play them one at a time and forget the previous game, it has and can be done. Look at Boston a few years ago when they were down 3 games to none to the Yankees , down to the 9th inning.
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by BigJohnAZ on Jul 16, 2008 8:47 AM CDT 0 recs
How did Marmol look?
I know the stats show 2 k’s, but I can’t find MLB’s video box score that would allow me to watch his inning. How did he look? How was the slider? Did he hit three or more batters?
*Synth intro to "Jump"*
by SouthsideCub on Jul 16, 2008 8:50 AM CDT 0 recs
I thought he looked great
Absolutely owned Quentin
For your information, the Supreme Court has roundly rejected prior restraint.
by Less is Walrond on
Jul 16, 2008 8:51 AM CDT
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Any idea
how to get that video? I can’t find the video box score.
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by SouthsideCub on
Jul 16, 2008 8:53 AM CDT
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Maybe it was just the late hour
but I thought he got away with a hanger at the letters on strike 3. Look at Quentin’s reaction to striking out on that pitch and he believes he should have crushed it.
Dome-san!!
by Goat Whisperer on
Jul 16, 2008 8:56 AM CDT
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Agreed, he did hang one but....
....he had set him up pretty good before that. I think Quentin probably thought that was going to be another slider at the ankles. So I give Carlos some credit.
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by TXCub on
Jul 16, 2008 8:58 AM CDT
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Agree
Hurdle called the spring Marmol into the game last night.
by gocubsgo22 on
Jul 16, 2008 9:42 AM CDT
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He looked good
no hit batters and his slider was nasty good.
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by BigJohnAZ on
Jul 16, 2008 8:51 AM CDT
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He looked okay
His slider is still getting too much of the plate when he is ahead of the count. He needs to try to bury that thing when he is ahead.
I thought his fastball was decent though. Seemd to be able to pitch it to the corners which he has been having trouble doing lately.
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by TheRiot Police on
Jul 16, 2008 9:42 AM CDT
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"He needs to try to bury that thing when he is ahead".
TWSS!
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by Bump Bailey on
Jul 16, 2008 10:06 PM CDT
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The White Castles were tasty...
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on
Jul 16, 2008 9:03 PM CDT
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The opening was
mostly magical. When I realized what they were doing, I was laughing inside waiting to see Ryne and Joe Morgan shaking hands. I never saw Joe, did I miss him?
I also saw my first zombie last night. I guess the reports that Steinbrenner’s health is poor is an understatement. He looked beyond awful.
I saved the rest of the intros on Tivo so my son can watch it later this week.
by N Oakley on Jul 16, 2008 8:51 AM CDT 0 recs
I think Morgan deliberately avoids events Sandberg is attending.
And I agree with you about Steinbrenner—I suspect he’s nearing the end of his life.
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by Al on
Jul 16, 2008 8:55 AM CDT
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Joe "Weak Sauce" Morgan
Deliberately avoids events that Ryno attends because his overinflated sense of self can’t handle being in the presence of someone better than him.
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by CaliCub on
Jul 16, 2008 9:46 AM CDT
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Is Morgan allowed to make appearances on Fox?
There used to be a hard-and-fast rule about appearing on another network, but I’m not sure if it exists anymore.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on
Jul 16, 2008 1:33 PM CDT
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I had the same thought.
I was so mad about Joe not being there. Come on.
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by slcathena on
Jul 16, 2008 4:43 PM CDT
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Johnny Bench? Carlton Fisk? Joe Morgan?
Where were those guys?
I thought Whitey Ford looked incredible for a man pushing 80. I can only hope to look that good at that age.
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 16, 2008 8:56 AM CDT 0 recs
Whitey
hasn’t always lived a life that was conducive to good health either, given his profession and his lifestyle off the field. iirc he was one of the Yanks who liked to imbibe along the lines of Mantle, Martin etc…
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by pageian on
Jul 16, 2008 9:01 AM CDT
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Another Favorite Yankee Of Mine
and there ain’t too many of those! lol
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by CaliCub on
Jul 16, 2008 9:46 AM CDT
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has anyone seen a list...
of living HOF that weren’t there last night?
by bison on
Jul 16, 2008 2:45 PM CDT
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This is the best I can do for ya.
Forgive me if it’s not entirely accurate:
Lee McPhail
Bobby Doerr
Monte Irvin
Stan Musial
George Kell
Red Schonedienst
Duke Snider
Tommy Lasorda
Dick Williams
Earl Weaver
Jim Bunning
Sparky Anderson
Sandy Koufax
Orlando Cepeda
Juan Marichal
Carl Yastremski
Joe Morgan
Tom Seaver
Nolan Ryan
Johnny Bench
Carlton Fisk
And, for whatever reason, I think I saw Brooks Robinson last night, but I can’t remember. Also, I’m drawing a blank on Steve Carlton and Jim Palmer.
Any way, if I listed someone and they were there, I’m sorry. I’m just going by memory and might miss someone.
by Tackle Box on
Jul 16, 2008 5:35 PM CDT
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Lasorda and Weaver were there.
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by Bump Bailey on
Jul 16, 2008 5:46 PM CDT
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Really?
I don’t remember either one of them, even after you say they were there. And I was sure I didn’t see either one. Oh well. The mind starts to go eventually I guess
by Tackle Box on
Jul 16, 2008 5:55 PM CDT
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Juan Marichal was there
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by carmen_fanzone on
Jul 16, 2008 6:16 PM CDT
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as was Orlando Cepeda
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by carmen_fanzone on
Jul 16, 2008 6:16 PM CDT
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Palmer and Carlton were there
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by JohnM on
Jul 17, 2008 6:46 AM CDT
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I think that Bench has been unofficially blacklisted by MLB
because of his involvement in the sale of fake MLB merchandise many years ago.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on
Jul 16, 2008 5:36 PM CDT
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Nobody likes him anyway
He’s a complete ass hat and doesn’t get along with many of the old guys.
by Tackle Box on
Jul 16, 2008 5:56 PM CDT
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I'm so glad our pitchers dominated....
Z, Demp, Marmol all looked very impressive last night.
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