I always find it funny when people say that Pete Rose is not in the Hall of Fame. As you say, when you went to the Hall that there are plenty of references to Pete and his accomplishments. Pete has not been ignored in the Hall. But Pete Rose the person did cheat. He did deny it for many, many years. I do not think that Pete belongs in the actual HOF i.e. a plaque.

as his health begins to fail and gets older…while he made many enemies by betting, he still symbolized many different aspects of the game coaches may only dream of from thier players…also, if anyone is interested there was a good story about rose getting acquainted with A-Rod on espn.com not too long ago…after reading that story and seeing the way banishment has ruined his life, i say let him in before he dies

after he passes away.

He’d just try to make $ off his “HOF” status, and his acceptance speech would be nothing short of a joke. The man is a cartoon. I feel sorry for the way he’s wasted his retirement/banishment from the game, but he’s proven over and over what a greedy, selfish, pompous fart-knocker he is. Hey, he and Bud Selig have a lot more in common than I realized!

SOMEONE got all those hits…...

Look at his stats. He cheated as a manager but is definitely a HOFer as a player. Butt Selig should reinstate him so they can vote him in. Don’t let him manage again, though.

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Pete Rose violated one of the cardinal rules of baseball. A rule that expressly states that those convicted of betting on the game shall be banned permanently.

You don’t turn a blind cheek 20 years after the fact out of sympathy for Rose being a pathetic sad sack in life.

By the results it looks like about 50 and counting…

Rose deserves the consequences of his actions…a bitter old gambling addict he can’t even confess without blaming baseball else for not helping him.

Pete Rose gambled on baseball all the way to the present, handicapping that public sympathy and his greatness as a player would prevail over his actions. He lost that bet.

the driving force behind the overwhelming public sentiment that keeps Rose out of the HOF is this insipid notion of the sanctity of sport.

It’s a fallacy, folks.

There is no purity to this game. There never has been and to insist that there is some pure sports here to be upheld is simply laughable. Baseball players have scuffed, cut, and spat on balls since the game came around; batters have altered their bats since baseball’s inception. Both batters and pitchers have filled their bodies with illegal controlled substances since at elast the late ‘60’s. In 1985, Tim Raines testified that 40% of MLB players were cocaine users. Some, Raines would say, including himself, carried and used it on the field of play. Ken Caminiti suspected the 50 % of MLB players were using some form of PED. The MItchell Report has brought down what was arguably the greatest living pitcher (I said “arguably,” Jessica;-) )

The bottom line is this: this is a child’s game, played by wildly overpaid grown men who will take any advantage they can get. It’s a dirty, just most sports are dirty. Soccer players bribe referees, the NBA has it’s own refereeing scandal, the NFL has turned a blind eye to it’s PED problem, but it’s there. Horseracing has racehorses breaking down because their ankles are too thin from the drugs they are administered….the list goes on, and baseball is no different. Rose broke a rule, and he accepted his punishment; if he makes it to the HOF, however, he only joins the cheats, liars, drug addicts, drunks, philanderers and God knows what elses that are already in there. And when I go there, I walk the halls knowing I’m no better than these guys, and that’s when i appreciate baseball.

want him to get in. He used to be one of my favoreite players (there’s no question he deserves it based on his stats). I stood by him through the scandal.

But, where it turned was when it wasn’t enough to sit along the street in Cooperstown on Induction week to try to steal the Inductees thunder, he had to go and write a book, and release it (and do interviews) the week of Induction. He finally proved what a liar he is, and he ruined the Inductions of Paul Molitor and Dennis Eckersley. At that moment, I stopped supporting Rose and his bid to get into the HOF. First, the fict he had to make it, “all about me,” and second, that he admited that he had been lieing all those years. That was enough for me.

Moose

The betting didn’t help him get to 4000 hits. Yes it would’ve helped his HOF status if he would’ve admitted when he was first caught that he betted. Whether he betted or not, 4000 hits is remarkable with the most hits all-time too. He should be in no doubt.

Based on his playing accomplishments, Rose should be in the HoF. And based on his managerial sins, he should be banned from baseball. Call me crazy, but I think those two scenarios can peacefully co-exist.

But if you’re going to argue that Pete Rose is one person and you should consider his entire career, my response would be (and I think I’ll get a lot of support here), then Joe Morgan is not a Hall of Famer – he should be kicked out for his sins as an announcer… ;-)

And furthermore, Keith Hernandez now has absolutely no chance of getting in for his HairClub for Men commercials… REEEE-JECTed!

Personally, if my vote any authority, I’d put him in the Hall. Yep, he did wrong. But I personally feel that since he’s been punished for so long, and that he has finally admitted to the gambling, then it’s time to let him in and move on. It will scar his memory… but, I still think it wasn’t big enough to warrant a lifetime suspension. That’s my opinion. Everyone is fine to disagree. One thing I want to add… I have a feeling, he will eventually get in. I doubt it will be in his lifetime… but it seems that MLB just keeps budging inch by inch… and in another 50 years, people will look at the whole situation differently than they do now. As a matter of fact, it seems people are more lax/unconcerned about the whole thing now than say 15 years ago. I think eventually, people will just say “enough is enough” and will let their all time hits leader in. Sadly, I think eventually, the same will be said about BONDS and CLEMENS. The only exception might be if they end up doing some serious jail time. Ah well.

is where this argument begins and ends.

Pete Rose, Joe Jackson, and others are recognized for their accomplishments in baseball. The museum displays artifacts, pictures, and stories about the good and bad in baseball.

Then there is the wing that honors players with a plaque. For the most part the players in the Hall are voted in by the writers. In each era, writers have used their own criteria and bias to immortalize these players. We have all tried to come up with an objective way to allow great players in but it still boils down to a subjective opinion of a players performance and contribution to the game. I still stand by my point that Pete does not deserve to be in the Hall. He is in the museum and that is good enough for me.

(d) BETTING ON BALL GAMES. Any player, umpire, or club official or
employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in
connection with which the bettor has no duty to perform shall be declared
ineligible for one year.

Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall
bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which
the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.

I think the HOF thing is completely different than the ban from baseball…which is an argument Rose has made for himself many times.

Let’s say Rose was already enshrined as a player before he got caught betting on games. Would anyone be saying that he has to be removed from the HOF? I doubt it.

For those you believe Rose should be in HOF. If their were proof that Rose made decisions as a manager because of his bets would that change your mind or do you just think anything he did as a manager should have no role in his being in the HOF ?. Keep in mind after first denying he bet on games, he admitted it, after first denying he bet on the Reds he FINALLY admitted it. It is also known that he routinely called other managers before games to “chat” with them about their line ups and thoughts for the game that day. It is not likely Rose may have used a player to win a game he had bet on even if it was in the teams best interest to rest that player that day ? So if his gambling did effect how he managed is he still in the hall ?

( as unlikely as that may be) and wins 5 WS for his team does he get in the HOF
because he was a great manage ?. Like many others I don’t buy the artificial separation that he was a great player so his gambling as a manager should not keep him out of the HOF. Might change Jose for Bonds as Jose does not face the indictment and jail time.

I referenced this in one of my earlier posts, but i’ll be more concise now…

If Pete Rose were on the ballot, do you think the writers would vote him in?

If you’re against Rose being in the HoF, and it sounds like a majority here are, but you can objectively say you think the writers would vote him in, then my friend, you’ve opened up a whole nother can of worms that will extend this fanpost awhile….

I believe the HOF did not want to get in the middle of the Rose/MLB debate and changed the rule to leave it in the Commish’s hands.

I realize he broke the rules. If you go to his stats page its amazing how consistently he batted over 600 time and how closely

you always have a very wise opinion. This is the first time that I can remember that you haven’t convinced me your way. I still think he should be in. I don’t believe gambling is as bad as steroids or HGH. Yes, he did lie. However, he still deserves the honor.

The ESPN movie on Pete Rose was terrible.