Credit Where Credit Is Due: Cubs 1, Giants 2
by Al on Jul 2, 2008 8:28 AM CDT
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Last night was yet another game I had to shut off in the fourth inning -- not because I didn't want to watch, but because if I stay up that late, I won't be able to function at work -- and I had a feeling that the Cubs wouldn't be able to come back, even from only being down 1-0, just as the night before I was confident they'd keep their lead.
Right again, unfortunately, and you can't really complain too much about the Cubs' 2-1 loss to the Giants. Oh, sure, you could say that Geovany Soto shouldn't have thrown through in the first inning when the Giants perfectly executed a double steal, leading to their first (and ultimately, decisive) run scored by Fred Lewis, but the bottom line is that the Cubs got beat by a pretty good pitcher who had a dominant game last night.
Seeing Matt Cain mow Cubs down makes me wonder why he's only 5-6; poor run support must be most of the reason, but last night Cain was almost unhittable. With the score 2-0 in the 7th, Jim Edmonds tried to give the Cubs the lead with what looked like it might be a HR, but Aaron Rowand snuffed that with a good catch, and then in the 8th, Jose Castillo -- who the Giants "settled" for to play 3B after they couldn't make a deal for the White Sox' Joe Crede -- made a nifty diving stop of a Mark DeRosa grounder that seemed headed to left field, ending that inning.
So by the time Giants closer Brian Wilson -- figures, a California team would have a closer with the same name as a member of the Beach Boys -- came in and gave the Cubs a consolation run when Derrek Lee led off with a triple and was singled in by Soto, it was too late. Wilson struck out Ryan Theriot to end the game, thus wasting one of Jason Marquis' better efforts of the year -- seven innings, four hits and two runs allowed. Fortunately, the Mets decided to actually win last night against the Cardinals, so for the second day in a row, there was no change in the Cubs' 2.5 game lead in the NL Central, and they maintain the best record in the National League. Yeah, I know: apart from the Cardinals and Brewers, that isn't saying much; the Giants "improved" to ten games under .500 at 37-47, and at five games out of first place they may still be in playoff contention in the NL West, a joke of a division with Arizona leading with a .500 record.
What I was most interested in reading this morning was Gordon Wittenmyer's notes column in the Sun-Times, detailing this upcoming lineup change for when Alfonso Soriano returns:
When Soriano returns to the Cubs' leadoff spot, manager Lou Piniella said he plans to use Kosuke Fukudome in the 2-hole against right-handed pitchers, with Jim Edmonds batting in Fukudome's old No. 5 spot.
That would put Ryan Theriot at No. 8 in those lineups and possibly batting in his accustomed No. 2 spot against some lefties, with Geovany Soto or Mark DeRosa considerations for the 5 spot.
All subject to change.
Let's hear it for Lou, who appears to have finally figured out the best slot for Fukudome -- second. The same column says that Soriano may be cleared to start taking BP this weekend. If that holds and goes well, my guess is that he'll be sent on a short (maybe 3 days) rehab assignment and possibly be ready to play against the Giants at Wrigley Field starting on July 11.
Finally, Tim, who is one of the LF bleacher season ticket holders, sent me this YouTube link, a home video shot of the fight in section 536 at the Cell on Saturday:
Here's the whole scoop on how this fight got started:Doesn't sound like the brawling in the stands at Saturday's Cubs-White Sox game had much to do with Cubs against the Sox.
According to Tom Lamb, head of security at U.S. Cellular Field, the Sox don't know what precipitated the brawl, but apparently some money fell out of the purse of a woman, and another fan picked it up and refused to give it back. That led to several fans punching the alleged offender. Video of the action showed a Cubs fan joining in on the same side as some White Sox fans.
The man, Brian Nolan of Woodridge, was charged with theft and taken to district headquarters at 35th and Lowe Avenue and then to the First District lockup, according to a police source. He was released Saturday night on an I-bond.
"He got thumped pretty good," Lamb said. "He did admit that he picked up the money that fell out of the purse, and said he didn't have to give it back."
Rivalries... ain't they great? Let's get those Giants tonight.
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Can had good stuff
but was last night’s strike zone the WORST of the season so far, or was it just me?
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by SouthsideCub on Jul 2, 2008 8:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Can= Cain
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by SouthsideCub on Jul 2, 2008 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last night's strike zone
did seem awfully fluid. Cain was getting some gift calls. The ones on the outside corner to lefties were the ones I noticed the most.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jul 2, 2008 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ones that stuck out to me were the Fukudome at bats
and Patterson’s pinch hit.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 2, 2008 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
those calls on Dome played a pretty big role in his strike outs as he had to expand his strike zone to swing at some balls off the corner
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jul 2, 2008 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dome
has looked awful at the plate for quite a few games now. I think he needs to sit as soon as we have the chance.
by adam316 on Jul 2, 2008 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+2
I’ve been thinking that for the past couple of games, as well. He’s been waving at pitches all over the place.
by polly on Jul 2, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+4
Maybe a couple days off would serve him well.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jul 2, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
every time we've said that about Lee
he’s come out and been a monster.
Maybe that will work for Dome tonight. (Awaits Dome’s 5-5 day)
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 2, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget
the strike three call on Theriot. It was in the exact same spot of the previous pitch which had been called ‘ball.’ I hadn’t seen a strike called that far off the plate since Maddux circa 1997.
Not to mention a couple of curve balls to Dome that were literally five inches high.
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by SouthsideCub on Jul 2, 2008 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt...
Just wasn’t their night. After the circus play by their 3rd baseman in the 8th I felt things weren’t good.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 2, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt and
it got worse as the game went on!
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 2, 2008 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice to see something that can unite Cubs and Sox fans:
kicking the ass of some thieving douchbag. Good stuff.
Cain was really sharp last night, but the Cubs really had a shot against Wilson and piddled it away and the Cubs really played some awful defense last night. At one point, they left both second base and third base uncovered while a ball dropped in the middle of three fielders. Gotta tighten up the screws and get back on a winning kick tonight.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 8:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yikes
didn’t hear about the D. Yeah, we have to play great defense to go all the way for sure
""At the end of the day, boys, you don't tell me how rough the water is, you bring in the ship." -- Steve Stone
by kentmeister on Jul 2, 2008 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing I don't understand:
if Theriot didn’t feel good to start, why did he play at all. Seemed kind of odd to throw him in there to pinch hit at a crucial time when he isn’t feeling good. Not saying Cedeno would have gotten a hit, but at least he had seen Cain in 2 previous at bats… Did anyone else think it was an odd move?
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 2, 2008 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was odd for a number of reasons.
But Maybe Lou knew something we didn’t.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True..
I think it had more to do with Cedeno swinging at everything from the previous 2 at-bats. With the bench being as thin as it was weird.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 2, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So we watched Ryan not swing at anything
and achieve the same result. I agree that with the short bench, it was a weird move, but maybe Lou thought that Theriot could work a walk, and there’d be good speed on the bases, but who really knows.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Odd Moves
I thought Lou made some odd moves last night…the switch of Theriot for Cedeno and not pinch running for Ward after he led off with a double.
by funblvble on Jul 2, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree
Very odd spot to pinch hit Theriot. We had Ward on second in the 7th (I thought we would see Theriot or Patterson pinch run here) and as a result of the Cedeno/Theriot move, we had Soto on second base as the tying run in the ninth. I don’t think he scores on a Theriot single, assuming Giants are playing Theriot well.
by gocubsgo22 on Jul 2, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You want to save your pinch runner
for the tying or go ahead run…
That is why using Theriot right before the pitchers spot knowing that you have to have a pitch hitter there as well made no sense. Your burned two spots on your bench with that move and you used your two best pinch runners in a tight ballgame.
In the 9th, it is a no brainer to pitch run Soto in that spot…but there was nobody left because of the 7th and 8th Inning Decsions. How furious would we have been if Soto would have not scored on double from first or would have been throw out at home on single….
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on Jul 2, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Darn Marquis for starting, he would have made a great PH option!
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by northsider on Jul 2, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't think it odd...to me it had to do
with how bad Cedeno has recently looked at the plate. He had zero chance against Cain.
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by cubfever7 on Jul 2, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me..
or did the dude who got thumped look like Fire Marshall Bill for “In Living Color”? “Let me show ya somethin’!”
Thanks for the report Al. Couldn’t watch and mlb reporter made it sound like the Cubs were just terrible in the box. Feel a little better after reading today’s post
""At the end of the day, boys, you don't tell me how rough the water is, you bring in the ship." -- Steve Stone
by kentmeister on Jul 2, 2008 8:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tonight
If the Cubs want to split this series, they better win tonight. Lincecum is tough to hit on any night but have you seen the starting time for Thursday? Trying to hit him at dusk is the recipe for double-digit strikeouts and a shutout if you ask me.
I think the game write-up also needs to include mention of Ronny Cedeno failing to charge a DP grounder in the first inning. Yes, Randy Winn is fast, but Cedeno should have known that and charged that ball rather than waiting on it. By doing so, he didn’t get the DP which ended up in a first-inning run on the double steal. Just saying. The Cubs middle infield defense still leaves a lot to be desired no matter which of the four revolving infielders are playing.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
by krummy12 on Jul 2, 2008 8:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He didn't fail to charge it.
He tried to make the play unassisted, because (surprise!) Mike Fontenot wasn’t on the bag to recieve the flip. So Ronny takes three steps to get on the second base bag and throws high to first, where wouldn’t have gotten Winn anyway. The main problem is that injuries have forced Lou to field defensive lineups that are just not used to playing together. Thia play is a perfect example of what happens.
The steal of home happened because Soto didn’t pay any attention to the guy at thrid and Fontenot couldn’t get the tag down at 2B. Like I said, the Cubs played some bad defense last night, all the way around. To hang it all on Ronny smacks of an agenda.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
No, he did fail to charge it. He played it on the second hop intead of getting to it and flipping it to Fontenot. If he gets to it and Fontenot isn’t there, that’s on Fontenot. Instead, he didn’t charge it and the second hop took too long for the DP. He had no idea whether Fontenot was there or not.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
by krummy12 on Jul 2, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, Lord.
I’m out. Here comes the Ronny hate for a play that wasn’t even his fault. If Theriot made the same play, he’d be lauded for his effort. But Ronny gets put on blast. Unbe-freaking-lievable.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you Gary
If Cedeno charges, he likely gets and in between hop that is more difficult to handle and, assuming he handles it, has to make an awkward throw to Fontenot at second. I don’t think they make that double play regardless of how Cedeno played the ball.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jul 2, 2008 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on
Quit making this a Cedeno vs. Theriot thing as the comment had nothing to do with that side circus that some on here like to reinvent every day. Neither one of them are very good middle infielders, I don’t have a particular man crush over either.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
by krummy12 on Jul 2, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, krummy
for dousing the flames before the flared up too high. I’ve been a TheRiot supporter here, and when he k’d twice last night in key situations, my first thought was, “Man, BCB is going to light up with hate.” I’m still expecting it, and I’m not saying it isn’t warranted for that performance. But I’m also not convinced he’s as terrible as some make him out to be, and neither do I think that Ronny is as good as some have hoped. I’m losing confidence in both of them at this point.
"We are not equations with hats." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Jul 2, 2008 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ronny didn't look any better than Theriot
at the dish. I don’t think both guys would start on many other teams. Hendry really needs to address this, if not now, for sure in the offseason.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except
Nobody’s ever called Cedeno an all-star. I was told yesterday that Theriot was an all-star offensively. He sure showed it last night, huh. And if Cedeno had the playing time that Theriot gets, then Cedeno would be hitting.
by sackings108 on Jul 2, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither one is stellar.
Let’s leave it at that.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 2, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well...
we’ve been hearing for weeks on this board about how “theriot sucks, and cedeno is a MUCH better defensive SS.”
that play made it pretty clear that cedeno is in no way “a MUCH better defensive SS.”
so perhaps lou isn’t a fool for starting theriot over cedeno consistently…
by billywan on Jul 2, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
part of a continuing pattern
cedeno’s got range. a good arm. and the defensive instincts of a little leaguer.
by billywan on Jul 2, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming that's true
He has an advantage over Theriot on all three.
I have never seen a major leaguer consistently out of position as much as Theriot. Hell, last year he and Fontenot both had to be taught the proper way to tag a runner, because the way they were holding the tag on it made it look like they didn’t feel they had gotten the tag down—and runners that were out were being called safe.
Cedeno is no all-star—but he is better than Theriot.
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 2, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has an advantage over Theriot on all three.
ROFL
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 2, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Badger come on...
we’ve seen Cedeno’s body of work defensively for an entire season. He’s got more speed (range) and a quicker stronger arm, but he likes to try and make plays that aren’t there. This particular play wasn’t a bad decision on his part…Hamsternot decided to become a spectator and Ronny did the only thing he could.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 2, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not disputing that
But to say that Theriot isn’t much of a defensive drop off in the field is, in my opinion, incorrect. Cedeno made three plays on Friday that Theriot only dreams about—and that is also part of a consistent pattern.
Can you think of another MLB SS that taps the ball in his glove before throwing to first every time? He even does it during warm-ups.
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 2, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SWL, wait, I'm confused
You seemed to be disagreeing with me (I was saying Theriot was a worse fielder), but below, you seemed to agree with me.
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 2, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's conflicted
and confused by your baby-blues…
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 2, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not desagreeing with you...
Theriot is a much worse fielder that Cedeno, but Ronny isn’t a fantastic defensive player either. He’s the best SS on the roster, but he tries to force plays he shouldn’t, and can be inconsistent with the routine ones on occasion.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 2, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is it possible
that those qualities would come with more consistent play?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 2, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for sure
but is it worth losing games while he does it?
he looks lost at the plate again. and lost in the field. not a good combo for getting playing time on this team, is it?
by billywan on Jul 2, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares how he looks?
We aren’t graded on style points here.
Look, if you made me go out and make a list of the top 40 shortstops in baseball (MLB and prospects) I don’t think either of them would make the list. Nobody is trying to allege that Ronny Cedeno is a good shortstop or even a passable shortstop.
But since death (or a fourth outfielder) isn’t an option, someone has to play the position, and if you just want to pick the guy that looks more CONFIDENT while playing the position, I don’t find that very persuasive. I’d rather have Option C, but failing that, Cedeno is the one that in my mind comes closest to being an adequate shortstop.
by cwyers on Jul 2, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
semantics
so you’ve moved beyond arguing stats to arguing semantics now?
looks lost = swings at crap pitches. has a terrible approach. can’t get a hit. can’t get a walk. has been useless. has really bad instincts in the field, takes odd routes to fly balls, can’t turn double plays. makes poor decisions. costs us runs.
by billywan on Jul 2, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm arguing that you're wrong.
We have an objective record of what Ronny Cedeno has done in the majors. It’s not GOOD, strictly. But can’t get a hit? He’s hit the baseball before. He’s taken walks.
You’re trying to imply that he’s not very good at any of those things, and you could be right. But we can quantify how not good at those things he is, and compare him to other players to see who has more value.
Nevermind that a week ago people were saying Lee “looked lost,” and he went out the next day and went five for five. I really lack confidence in any one fan’s scouting assessment of a player when it comes down to generic pablum like “looks lost.” Players in cold streaks look lost, players in hot streaks look great. It’s meaningless.
by cwyers on Jul 2, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would argue
that ronnie’s record is too short to tell us much about him. and that there’s a difference between lee not getting hits and ronnie not getting hits. but what his numbers do tell us is he’s a sub .260 hitter. and that his recent forays into the .300’s are abnormal.
i suppose streaks may be meaningless sometimes. but if we’re talking about making a line up for this team for today’s game i can’t see any reason to pick ronnie’s name. his approach at the plate is very different than it was earlier in the year. when he was successful he wasn’t flailing, he wasn’t swinging at balls and he was taking tough pitches rather than just going after a pitcher’s pitch. lately he’s back to last year’s ronnie who swings at junk and appears to be guessing.
i’m not saying my amateur scouting should be argument winning fact. but when you have a guy like ronnie, i don’t have any particular confidence that he’s going to do anything other than plummet back to being a .205 hitter.
by billywan on Jul 2, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not entirely sure
that Cedeno would cost us any runs that Theriot isn’t already costing us. And I continue to believe that Cedeno’s upside is higher—he may not score any runs, but he has greater ability to keep the other team from scoring.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 2, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
yeah, it’s hard to balance what would be better. i just don’t think lou’s gonna be in the mood for any on the job training with ronnie this year.
by billywan on Jul 2, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was the starting SS for the entire 2006 season...
and he didn’t exactly set the league on it’s ear defensively...but that’s not to say he hasn’t gotten better.
However, I’m reminded of Cwyers’ telling me that a players past performance is a good indicator of their future performance.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 2, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
correction...
almost the entire season…once we shed the burden of Izturis.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 2, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fielding percentage isn't, however.
Or at least, it’s not a good indicator of a player’s value. Because a rangier player gets to more balls, and more balls at the edge of their range, fielding percentage tends to penalize the better defensive shortstops by the sheer fact that you can’t be scored an error on a ball you don’t come within three feet of.
Cedeno’s 2006 SS performance wasn’t world beating, but it wasn’t miserable. I think his UZR was about average, but I don’t have Excel at work and can’t check.
by cwyers on Jul 2, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying that Cedeno is fantastic
Never thought it. Just that he’s better than Theriot. I think we’re on the same page.
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 2, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh...
talk about your small sample size…
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 2, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
That play proved Mike Fontenot is completely lost in the field and that Cedeno can give plays a chance that Theriot can’t even attempt.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
never had a chance
and it seemed to me fontenot was waiting for the toss to meet it at the bag and then come across to make the throw. could be wrong, though…
cedeno still looked pretty lost to me. and again, i’m not trying to prove cedeno sucks. i’m just saying, after all of the lectures about how fantastic cedeno’s defense was? not so much…
by billywan on Jul 2, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ronny's defense is not "fantastic"...
but it’s better than Theriot’s. By a fair amount.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 2, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fontenot was waitng for the toss 5 feet away from the bag?
Then he is stupider than I thought.
Cedeno’s defense isn’t fantastic; Adam Everett’s defense is fantastic. However, Cedeno’s defense is better than Theriot’s.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
again
it looked to me like he stopped short when he saw ronnie start towards the bag.
whatever. the cedeno/theriot debates will never end.
for me, as long as his obp stays up, i’ll take theriot. and hope cedeno gets smarter and can be our SS in a year or two.
by billywan on Jul 2, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"stopped short"? That's my move!
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 2, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It looked like
each of them hesitated at almost the exact same time. It looked like Fontenot thought Cedeno was taking it and Cedeno thought Fontenot was going to be there. When they both hesitated, Cedeno probably thought “Oh Shit” and took it himself and tried to make the play. Regardless, I think Fontenot should have been there because watching it, i thought the same thing, where the hell was Fontenot?
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by McRipper on Jul 2, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fontenot does this a lot at 2B.
He reacts very slowly and seems very hesitant on double plays. He’s just not a good defender. he makes the play in front of him, but that’s about it.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No argument here
I’ve noticed that on many occasions also.
"Please move away from this vector and get into another coordinate pronto. There's no access for you in this quadrant." Mike Donnelly
by McRipper on Jul 2, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is known as...
sneaky fielding.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 2, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know another
6 -letter word that begins with “s” and ends in “y” that describes it.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too sexy
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too Wenger-y ;-)
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too duel-y
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too turtle-y
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too Cleaver-y
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too shrimpy.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 2, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too cougar-y
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too Lindsay
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too Lindsay
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too British
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too fancy.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again..
How was that play Cedeno’s fault? Fontenot wasn’t on the bag, and even if he was, there was no way they get the runner at first anyway.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jul 2, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just a difference of opinion then
i didn’t watch the replays. but my sense was fontenot was close enough to the bag to take a throw, but ronnie seemed pretty set on trying to make that play himself. which was never gonna happen.
i could be wrong though.
by billywan on Jul 2, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMHO...
...Gary’s right on w/ his assessment, though I do think Fonty could have received a throw from Ronnie. My impression w/ Mike’s location was that he planned to receive the shovel, come across the bag towards 3rd, and make the throw to first.
by Shawon O Meter on Jul 2, 2008 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe so.
I’m not sure Fontenot gets there and I’m not sure, with the speed of Winn, any throw gets him in either scenario. The Cubs infielders really seem to have a problem with knowing when to keep a ball in their pocket.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Changed the game
I think that play changed the momentum of the game. With 2 outs and a bounceout, JM is out of the inning. It is not a Onedec vs. The Riot thing, but Ronnie has not played well the last couple of games. He has not looked good at the plate. If he can’t put the ball in play, he needs to sit a while.
A Cub fan in Cardinal territory.
by FSArkCubsFan on Jul 2, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Brenly comment that the play was mishandled?
"Red Sox Nation: In your opinion, who’s the best player not in the HOF?
Bill James: Ron Santo" October 2004.
by cubfever7 on Jul 2, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He blamed it on Ronny, of course.
He’d never blame Theriot or Fontenot for anything.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After all--Brenly is a scrapper you know.
"Red Sox Nation: In your opinion, who’s the best player not in the HOF?
Bill James: Ron Santo" October 2004.
by cubfever7 on Jul 2, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was Little League all along.
Well, it was worse. I don’t want to insult the little leaguers.
Everyone failed: Soto didn’t pay attention to a fast runner at 3d; Fontenot was off the bag and caught by surprise by the steal of HP; and Cedeño didn’t get in position to cut the ball and throw home in case the runner at 3d made a run for home (as he did). Not playing together didn’t help, but there are fundamentals that were forgotten there. Bad execution by every Cub player involved.
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 2, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Derrek Lee, Dome and Ward are the only players I saw that didn’t do something stupid last night. It was a pretty sloppy performance in the field.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Ward actually made a pretty nice running catch on a short fly ball in last night’s game
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jul 2, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that was kind of funny.
Watching Cedeno fight the wind, twisting around and all the sudden, Daryle comes thudding into the frame and snags it.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ronnie
look grateful that he managed to stay out of the way of the Dwaryle train. That would have really hurt.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jul 2, 2008 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ward would have demolished Ronny.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we would have had another player on the DL
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 2, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As much as it pains me...
+1
"Red Sox Nation: In your opinion, who’s the best player not in the HOF?
Bill James: Ron Santo" October 2004.
by cubfever7 on Jul 2, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else's "Z" function not working?
I can’t tab through like normal this morning. Anyone else? Don’t want to report a bug if it’s just my computer.
Let’s just hope the “Z” function works this weekend, eh?
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jul 2, 2008 8:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Never mind, working great now.
Just needed to post I suppose.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
by Bildo1805 on Jul 2, 2008 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've had intermittent problems with this too.
Anyone else? If you have, send to bugreport (at) sbnation (dot) com
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 2, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone else having this issue?
Keyboard shortcuts are not working for me UNLESS I make a comment, after that they do work.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 2, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Works for me.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Working OK For Me
Are you on a PC or Mac? I’m on my trusty MacBook and the shortcuts are working fine.
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 2, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
PC.
But I haven’t had trouble with this PC, or any other computer, before.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 2, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And now, it's working again.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 2, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've had it usually on big threads
or when I’ve used up lots of memory on my machine. Refreshing the page or re-loading the browser has always fixed it.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jul 2, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had Some Problems Posting
Yesterday, when I went to post a new comment, some of the text from my previous comment would appear instead.
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 2, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
works for me
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 2, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm having problems now too.
I’ll try refreshing and see what happens.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jul 2, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too...wasnt before however.
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand. - Homer J Simpson
by MikeOxbyg on Jul 2, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mine's been going on and off all morning.
Right now, it’s not working. I might try going back to the home page and then trying to re-enter these comments.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 2, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've had the same problem intermittently over the last few weeks
Was working until now….so I’m posting this to see if it fixes the problem.
As I was typing this, someone else posted—which fixed it. Odd.
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 2, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the other night in the game threads
some people had a the problem that each time they would z to go down it would bring them back to one of my comments that they had read before as if it was a new one.
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 2, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Send these to the bugreport address.
Something weird is obviously going on.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 2, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen that before.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 2, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're all fretting
about the D last night, which was admittedly less than spectacular. But the truth is that, even with how bad we played, the Giants only pushed two across. Our real issue was our lack of hitting more or less across the board. Dome looked terrible, as did several others. I would attribute at least a portion of that to that odd strike zone that has been mentioned. It did seem nebulous and it did seem to expand as the game went on. Even my wife agreed with my bitching, and she almost never does that.
But even so, we simply couldn’t hit a good pitcher. My hope is that we’re “bottoming out” at the moment, and if this is as bad as it gets, I’ll take it. We’re hurt/short and struggling. Once Sori, ARam, Reed, and Z come back, then we’ll see if the first couple months we were playing over our heads or if that was the real team. We just haven’t looked like the same team for a few weeks now. For the moment, I’m chalking it up to injury and a temporary lull.
With that all said, I’ll admit, this team isn’t helping my drinking at all.
"We are not equations with hats." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Jul 2, 2008 9:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
oh c'mon kegler... are you telling me that you need help with your drinking? ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 2, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
You buyin’?
"We are not equations with hats." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Jul 2, 2008 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure
after I auction off the world series championship game 7 game-winning walk-off home run ball from ARam that I catch on Waveland & Kenmore and then spend two weeks in the hospital recovering from the pile-on…
sure – first round’s on me.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 2, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm there, man.
: )
"We are not equations with hats." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Jul 2, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll sign your cast :D
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jul 2, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That strike zone was almost as bad as Sunday's.
Several players, probably including Theriot in his last at bat, struck out on balls away from the plate. And remember, Theriot wasn’t playing before, so he wasn’t familiar with the umpire’s zone. Anyway, the umpire was so inconsistent that I don’t know if anyone could have adjusted to the zone. The umpire definitely helped both pitchers last night.
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 2, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad to know I wasn't the only one who thought
Sunday’s strike zone was total BS.
by IllinoisCubs on Jul 2, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Cain was getting calls in the late innings on the corner with lefties up that Marquis wasn’t in the first inning or two.
One thing, I don’t think the alleged “botched” DP killed us. With Ward leading off the inning with a double and Soto watching a meatball for strike 3 and not moving him over, did it. Ward scores easily on Edmonds near HR and the 9th inning we tie. Sure, Cain and some gracious calls kept us at bay, but we had our chances.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jul 2, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Test post.
This is to see whether a post will make the keyboard shortcuts work or not.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 2, 2008 9:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Credit where credit is due:"
I’ll appropriate the post’s main title to thank the inventors of that wonder known as the Slingbox.
Yesterday I told Al in a post that I didn’t have WGN-HD in my system and only had the standard signal for WGN. Now, what I didn’t know yesterday morning was that the cheapos at my fly-by-night cable company decided to take WGN off the lineup, effective yesterday. Now I have to watch the WGN broadcasts through the Slingplayer that accesses a Slingbox at my son’s house in Florida. At least I can watch but I’m mad at the cable company.
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 2, 2008 9:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Can you get the HD telecasts via Slingbox?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 2, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. Standard def. in a small window only.
Better than nothing.
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 2, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not great.
But at least you can still see them.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 2, 2008 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
But I missed the TV screen last night because the image is larger and better. (sob)
I guess those Cubs fans here who don’t have my choices are not happy. A source at the cable company told me yesterday afternoon that they had received several complaints already. But I guess all they care about is saving the fee they had to pay to the Tribune Co. to carry WGN.
Now the only choice to get WGN in San Juan is Dish Network, but they don’t have EI. Therefore, I’d lose the Comcast broadcasts if I switch.
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 2, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another idea is to buy a video card that has hdmi out
or whatever type of tv-out connection you want and use your tv as your monitor. Then you can use slingbox maximized on your tv screen. Granted it might not be quite as clear, but it would work. I don’t even own monitors for either of my computers at home, I use a projection TV for a monitor in the living room, and a plasma for a monitor on another computer in the bedroom. When out of marked games are on I use sopcast. The quality isn’t the greatest (slingbox is probably better) but at least I can relax on the couch and watch the game in almost full screen.
by adam316 on Jul 2, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No DirecTV?
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand. - Homer J Simpson
by MikeOxbyg on Jul 2, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not in San Juan, PR.
Direct TV in Puerto Rico is a hybrid between the Latin American and US versions. WGN is not in their lineup and they only offer a handful of games on EI because of bandwith limitations. They can’t bring the US version because they would need larger dishes (at least 4 feet in diameter) like the ones Dish Network uses here, and this is not a straight Latin American market (it’s a US territory), so instead they have a special version that allows the use of the small dishes but offers less channels than the cable systems. Still, many people subscribe because the price is cheaper than cable and the image is clear. But it’s not a good choice for a baseball fan.
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 2, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Learn something everyday.
I would have assumed that Sat. TV works the same all over the world. Thanks for sharing.
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand. - Homer J Simpson
by MikeOxbyg on Jul 2, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys should try SopCast
I watch the Brewers games on it everyday, for free. They have most out of market games as well. Just go to myp2p.eu and you can see what games are available today.
by sackings108 on Jul 2, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the tip.
There are several options like that that I use. This one looks like the most complete. Thanks.
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 2, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't really like that video...
...makes me feel like showing and discussing it is just promoting this type of behavior. I don’t know how much money is worth (1) being a drunken idiot for and (2) ganging up on one person in a crowd of 6-10 people. Not the way I would have handled it, on either side of the coin.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Jul 2, 2008 9:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Normally, I'd agree,
but some times, when there is an ass crying out to be kicked, one must kick that ass. Maybe that’s just the jarhead in me talking….
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Usually I am a pacifist...
But Gary, I’m going to have to steal that line… HILARIOUS!
by socalicubsfan on Jul 2, 2008 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did like the fact...
...it was both Cubs AND White Sux fans pummeling the guy for not giving the lady her money back, if that’s truly how it went down.
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jul 2, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the Cubs fan
knew what they were fighting about, he just did it for kicks.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on Jul 2, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's how I saw it too
it looked like he came in after the fight had already started just to throw a couple punches
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jul 2, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There were multiple Cub fans in that melee
I saw a couple of Lee’s, and Ramirez was prominent. But Thome and Buerhle did most of the pounding.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jul 2, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Y'know, it does my heart good...
...to see Cubs fans and Sox fans joining together as brothers to whup the ass of some dumb-as-lawn-furniture asshat who thinks it’s OK to take money that falls from a woman’s purse. What, does he also think he could take her car if she left it unlocked?
I also like how the Cell security staff pulled his shirt over his head to protect his identity as they dragged him out. I suppose that’s de rigeur in this the Age of YouTube.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 2, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was pretty
fun to watch the guy try and do the stairs while his shirt was pulled over his head. I was just waiting for him to trip and fall. If that had happened, the guy would have ended up on the lower level and those Cell upper deck stairs are frighteningly steep and he would have picked up some steam falling down them
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jul 2, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, just watched it again...
...and couldn’t help noting the cosmic appropriateness that A.J. Pierzynski was announced during the fight.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 2, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was that really to "protect his identity?"
I thought it was just to neutralize him a bit. Can’t lash out quite as much if you can’t see where you’re going and your mouth is full of fabric. He was mouthing off when they did it, and then they used the shirt over his face to control his head.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jul 2, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
definitely to neutralize him
He was fighting security and struggling and eventually they just got fed up with him.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on Jul 2, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neutralize him
They were doing that to neutralize him to a degree.
Last year on the Friday of the Crosstown at The Cell there was a fight – with people throwing drinks at each other. When security was taking an offender out someone threw a drink at the security guys. They hardly even turned back to look and made their way out. Then a few minutes later they came back and got the person who tossed the drink at them. Surprise, surprise when the tosser was accidentally bumped and the tosser tumbled down the stairs.
by DrCrawdad on Jul 2, 2008 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bloody tosser!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 2, 2008 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought they
put his shirt over his head to keep him from yelling at people on his way out. Either way it was humorous.
by sue369 on Jul 2, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
biggest ab was Soto's against Cain in the 7th
he could of moved D-Ward over to 3rd and the sac fly by Jimmy. Thus, score is 2-1 instead of 2-0. 9th inning, D-Lee triple, Soto single, tie game.
Also i didn’t see Rowand “rob” Edmonds, how good of a play was it? Was it going to be a HR?
by lexmarklover on Jul 2, 2008 9:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He was a step or two in front of the wall
Not a HR, but would have gotten Ward home if Soto does his job.
by salparadise23 on Jul 2, 2008 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it was just a fly ball to the track in center. He didn't really rob him.
I thought the 2 biggest AB’s were Ryan Theriot striking out with men on, twice.
by sackings108 on Jul 2, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two "positives" in that loss
1) St. Louis managed to lose to the Metropolitans
2) Jason Marquis was tough & kept the bullpen rested. This may pay huge dividends this weekend. I know we’d all prefer a win, but if we had tied it in the 9th and that game had gone to extras (and judging by the hitting last night, that could’ve gone on forever) we would be in a spot come Friday as “Z” is likely to be on a somewhat shorter leash than usual.
Let’s face it. Cain was dealing. Tough to be patient-as-usual when the opposing hurler is painting like Rembrandt.
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
by Goodie1969 on Jul 2, 2008 9:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Which is why credit is given where it's due.
Sometimes the other guy does well.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 2, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
I watched the entire game last night and was thoroughly impressed with Cain. When a pitcher can come inside with a 96 mph heater and then paint the outside corner with a 75 mph curve you just have to tip your hat.
by okiecubbie on Jul 2, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Cain On The Radar?
Len and Bob mentioned how Cain has decent career numbers against a lousy W-L record (ERA around 3.8, WHIP around 1.25). So I’m wondering if Cain’s performance against the Cubs caught Jim Hendry’s attention as he looks to deal on the open market this month?
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 2, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he pitches like last night
Like I said, he worked inside and out on most hitters. I think he was throwing a splitter to lefties that Fukudome seemed to have trouble with. His performance last night had more to do with him than it did with the Cubs.
That being said, Cain did leave some pitches out over the plate. He had Edmonds 0-2 when he laid one right over the plate. I havent seen him pitch enough, but he did seem to miss high rather than low.
by okiecubbie on Jul 2, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Len and Bob
commented last night on how Cain is known to miss his spots frequently. We saw some of that last night where Molina would line up outside and the pitch would be inside. But, while he missed his spots on a few occasions, he certainly didn’t miss his spots frequently last night.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jul 2, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cain looked good yesterday, but at times his
fastball can be VERY flat and he struggles to get his breaking balls over for strikes. Those are the times when Cain gets pounded. That said, I can’t see SF moving him.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jul 2, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
think he'll be available
at the deadline?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 2, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No chance
Giants have a really nice, young staff and they are not going to move any of those young arms.
by gocubsgo22 on Jul 2, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely not
He is untouchable. And I can’t blame the Giants for that, either. They’d be crazy to trade him.
"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979
by danimal15 on Jul 2, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine, we'll take Lincecum then.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 2, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish!
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jul 2, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhhh. Tim Lincecub.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jul 2, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That does look
really nice!
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jul 2, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, Lincecum is "cheap" labor
for the Giants for the next couple of years. He’s not going anywhere any time soon unless a team throws the Giants a stud in return.
"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."
by flachimesa on Jul 2, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well then...lemme just whip out my handy dandy stud finder.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 2, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(ping)
Sorry. I can’t go to San Francisco, I have commitments here in chicago.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 2, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Cain was getting a generous strike zone, but credit him for taking advantage of it. His change up to lefties was absolutely sick. His ball was moving all over the place
by gocubsgo22 on Jul 2, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jul 2, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
too bad the brewers won
we have opportunities to win. we just didn’t take advantage. I do give credit to Cain but when are we going to hit good pitching on the road. Our offense is a shell of itself on the road and it shows in stats. I just don’t understand why we can’t consistently put good numbers on the road.
by lexmarklover on Jul 2, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good news to about Soriano
We can finally have our good lineup out there
by lexmarklover on Jul 2, 2008 9:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Was Wilson really hitting the century mark w/ his fastball last night?
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on Jul 2, 2008 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Brian Wilson
Wish he stayed in bed yesterday.
/rimshot
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 2, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Celebration
What about his crossing his arms to make an X after getting Theriot.
by okiecubbie on Jul 2, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought
Theriot should have ran out there and body slammed him for that.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on Jul 2, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Wilson looked like an idiot when he did that
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jul 2, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I immediately thought
am I watching wrestling? And I also thought of SWL’s Cajun Connection going out there and tag teamin’ on him.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on Jul 2, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the same thing
it would have been fun to watch the Cajun Connection perform their signature Bayou Beatdown maneuver on Wilson
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jul 2, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
where's a steel chair when you need one...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 2, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cage Match
and bring the lumber! Go old school on him and Jake the Snake him and DDT him right on the mound at Wrigley.
A Cub fan in Cardinal territory.
by FSArkCubsFan on Jul 2, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking there's a big brawl tonight...
and Wilson goes after Edmonds’ knee and takes him out with a figure four leg lock. Ward goes all King Kong Bundy on Wilson and then things get really crazy…
Finally, when it’s looking really bad for the Cubs, Rowand comes running in from center field and looks like he’s about to deliver a Stone Cold Stunner on Dome. But he stops, rips off his Giants jersey and underneath is a Cubs jersey!!! Rowand plays center, bats 5th, and is the final piece to leading the Cubs to the WWE title – oops, I mean World Series title…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 2, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And, to celebrate the Championship, can I get a
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
by sackings108 on Jul 2, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
one woo - yes
two woo’s – no. No. Most definitely NO!!!!!
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 2, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hacksaw Jim Duggan
will bring the lumber
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
USA! USA! USA!
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on Jul 2, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 2, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is that...
Ron Santo in a wig? “THIS IS THE YEARAAAAAGHGHGHGHGGHGHHGHGHGHHG!!”
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 2, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh the jokes that could go with that picture.
If things go well I might be showing her my O-face. “Oh… Oh… Oh!” You know what I’m talkin’ ‘bout!
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand. - Homer J Simpson
by MikeOxbyg on Jul 2, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 2, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wilson is a real douche.
That arm cross was ridiculous.
by sackings108 on Jul 2, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, lame.
It was like a half-assed attempt to be Jose Valverde.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 2, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, I still remember the end of the NLDS last year.
Sitting in the bleachers, watching Valverde celebrate all over our field. I wanted to kill him.
by sackings108 on Jul 2, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Goes Around...
Wonder how Valverde liked getting swept out of the NLCS last year?
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 2, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell
was up with that? I hadn’t seen anything like that before.
by sue369 on Jul 2, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he's a Straight Edge kid.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The strike zone
wasn’t great, wasn’t horrible, but it was shaky enough that it prevented the Cubs from being patient. Many bad swings at bad pitches. I wanted that win badly.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on Jul 2, 2008 10:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And yet the Minnesota Timberwolves
just traded for a player who is actually the nephew of a Beach Boy, (Kevin Love being Mike Love’s nephew.) At least he went to UCLA.
It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8 lbs. 1 oz.
by Josh77 on Jul 2, 2008 10:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
God Only Knows
thank you, thank you, be sure to try the waitress and tip the veal!
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 2, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice vid
Reminds me of a Homer Simpson quote: “Alcohol, the cause of, and solution to, all of life’s troubles”.
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on Jul 2, 2008 10:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL, I often quote that line myself.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 2, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like I pretty much handled last night in general...
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jul 2, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, it was great to see those clips of
Alfie & Z practicing on the field during the broadcast yesterday. Maybe Soriano’s bones DO heal faster than those of an average human!
by JFCubFan on Jul 2, 2008 10:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I know the feeling.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 2, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
soriano
is it assumed he goes to iowa for rehab? or does it have more to do with the scheduling of which minor league team is where?
by cubswynn on Jul 2, 2008 11:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lots of Grief was given to Soto and the Middle Infield about the 1st Inning Double Steal
Well Deserved in some respects…but even if he does not make throw or the infielders cut the ball of like they should….the very next hitter bounces out to second and the run would have scored anway.
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on Jul 2, 2008 12:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought that
if Soto fakes the throw, he gets the guy at third, or MAYBE a play at the plate if he doesn’t bounce it. Rookie mistake. Plus, you figure that one run wasn’t going to be enough to win the game in the first inning. Most likely, as you said, the run scores anyway. You have to score one to win or tie and the Cubs did neither, so a 2-0 might as well been 10-0 as it turned out.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jul 2, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cain Houston HIgh (Germantown, TN) Product
Paul Maholm of the Pirates went to rival Germantown High. Matt Cain went to Houston High, G’town High’s main rival. FYI, I went to White Station High many years earlier and didn’t play baseball. There was a big crowd at Auto Zone Park a few years ago when Matt Cain was pitching for the Fresno Grizzlies against the AAA Redbirds. I was so hoping the Cubs were going to win the game in the 9th. That way, the Cubs would have won the game, and Cain would not have taken the loss. Of course, Cain got the victory, and the Cubs lost the game.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Jul 2, 2008 12:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Last nights line up
Lets be honest, could we have expected more with last night line up ???
Ward is a PH at best.
Fonty is a good fit for team with low payroll or AAA
I would of rather seen Patterson in there and with ARAM gone and Micah back up.
We have way too many guys that are middle infielders.
Fonty, Theroit, Ronnie, Patterson and DeRo.
With ARAM & Sori out of the line up who is going deep ???
I've been bleeding double blue Cubbies & NY Rangers
by parrotinct on Jul 2, 2008 12:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
With that in mind...
I really hope A-Ram doesn’t come back and truly SUCK HARD for a few days because we REALLLLLY need him this weekend and his 0-13 the series prior makes me nervous. Mighty, mighty nervous.
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jul 2, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously, the one going deep will be Fontenot.
The one you least expect. Thus …. SNEAKY POWER!
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jul 2, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
very sneaky
what 4 hr’s this year
I've been bleeding double blue Cubbies & NY Rangers
by parrotinct on Jul 2, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where would you play Patterson and Hoffpauir?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 2, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
positions
Patterson 2nd his natural position
Micah in Left, Ward had 1 ball hit to him all night
I've been bleeding double blue Cubbies & NY Rangers
by parrotinct on Jul 2, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ward actually had two balls hit to him.
And I think I’d still favor him over Hoffpauir in left field. I mean, as I see it, they’re both a wash defensively. Hoffpauir may be very slightly faster, being younger and all, but Ward is more experienced in the outfield. And, let’s face it, if Bonds (last season) and Carlos Lee can play left field, why not Ward? (Only when absolutely necessary, of course.)
At the plate, DWaryle is a proven major league hitter – and he proved it last night, being one of the few (the proud) to actually get a solid knock against Cain. Hoffpauir did OK in his first callup, but he usually appeared overmatched against better major league pitchers. And Cain was definitely one of the better ones last night. I think he would’ve made Michah look bad.
I guess I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing Patterson get a start at second. I have a feeling his defensive gaffes in left field against the White Sox put him on Lou’s sh*tlist, though. And we all know how much Lou loves his sneaky power guy.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 2, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dwaryle
is clutch. Hoff hasn’t proven himself in clutch situations. This year, I’d rather have Dwaryle.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 2, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeRosa
did it twice the night before.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 2, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been an Edmonds aplogist--but that double late in the game...
it seemed like he coulda/shoulda got there—or was it on too much of a line?
"Red Sox Nation: In your opinion, who’s the best player not in the HOF?
Bill James: Ron Santo" October 2004.
by cubfever7 on Jul 2, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Felix MAYBE would've had chance because of his speed,
but that ball was pretty well hit. Likely no one would’ve gotten to it.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The ball was smoked...
Edmonds plays kinda shallow too…so that didn’t help. It was a legit double in my opinion, but Edmonds would have probably caught it 3 years ago.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 2, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has his foot healed?
Seems to me that he hasn’t had a chance to heal because we need to play him everyday. When you’re lame you aren’t going to make plays you would normally make.
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
William Wrigley Jr
by bubbamike the one and only on Jul 2, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we need Reed back.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 2, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree...he adds a lot.
Tough out and he can allow Edmonds to rest the foot a little v. Lefties, plus he plays a REAL nice left field when needed. Missing Alf and Reed has really hurt the D and team speed.
"Red Sox Nation: In your opinion, who’s the best player not in the HOF?
Bill James: Ron Santo" October 2004.
by cubfever7 on Jul 2, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Felix makes that play...
And maybe Reed if he lays out for it IMO…
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jul 2, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love DeRo
Heart & Soul of this team
Will play anywhere, hit anywhere and always looks happy !!!
I've been bleeding double blue Cubbies & NY Rangers
by parrotinct on Jul 2, 2008 1:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Strike Zone
How different would that first inning have been if Marquis would have gotten that strike call on Durham? The one where Marquis squatted as if he just shit himself because he couldn’t believe it wasn’t a strike. Think about it. Durham would have been called out for the first out, Wynn’s grounder would have been a routine play for the second out, and Molina’s ground out would have ended the inning.
"Please move away from this vector and get into another coordinate pronto. There's no access for you in this quadrant." Mike Donnelly
by McRipper on Jul 2, 2008 1:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
...but woulda shoulda coulda… we need to kick some SF ass tonight.
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jul 2, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't figure the Tigers...
Finally start looking like they ‘should’ as a team and then MIN kicks their asses around the block, including finishing them off 7-0 just a few min ago.
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jul 2, 2008 2:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They're...dead!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 2, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ one MILLLLIONNNN... :)
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jul 2, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good feeling about tonight!
TWSS.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 2, 2008 3:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
faux pas!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 2, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
j'accuse!
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 2, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
zoot alors!
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jul 2, 2008 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
VIOLATION!!!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 2, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS!
HAH!
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 2, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is laughing at your own TWSS
a violation? I’d say no, but Judges?
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on Jul 2, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
and… tacky ;-|
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jul 2, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jul 2, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was more of
an exclamation.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 2, 2008 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS upheld on appeal.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 2, 2008 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dood
you can’t TWSS your own posts. :-)
by sue369 on Jul 2, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not the first to do so...
cut me some slack :)
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 2, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great
Tonight’s game for me will be a MLB package game carried by FSN-Bay Area. Every half inning a “green” commerical and two talking heads who have to be the worse I have ever heard. Monday, they used a telestrater to make fun of people in the crowd. They will try to make me feel bad about the environment if I go outside and pee off my porch while letting my dog out during a 1/2 inning. Yeah…... Proper beer disposal is important.
A Cub fan in Cardinal territory.
by FSArkCubsFan on Jul 2, 2008 3:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Samardzija promoted to Triple A
He must be doing good, I hadn’t heard much about him lately. Here’s the Link.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on Jul 2, 2008 4:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's been moved along in the system...
Likely because it is an attempt to make him more seen for possible trade(s).
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 2, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
more likely to justify $10M contract
I believe he has a no-trade clause
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 2, 2008 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a first year guy.
He doesn’t have a no-trade clause. They don’t need to justify his contract, they need to see what he can do, or what he can do for others, (and what he can bring back to the big club).
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 2, 2008 5:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
There is some pressure to justify the contract; I’m not the first to speculate that.
You are incorrect about the no-trade clause.
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 2, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speculate all you want...
I stand corrected on the no-trade clause. I seriously doubt there is much to it though. It doesn’t make sense to commit to such a young player, with money & an iron-clad no-trade clause. I see him going in a trade if he can get the big club what they need this year. I can imagine that he has value to a number of GMs.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 2, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree that it doesn't make sense
But that doesn’t preclude it being true.
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 2, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i read
that he was moved up because of the injuries and the lack of pitching at the AAA level. I live where the AA team is and often hear/read his #’s and they weren’t that impressive.
by cubbiefanTN on Jul 2, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
#'s at the AA level....
in case that post was not clear
by cubbiefanTN on Jul 2, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The suspect thing about that is,
why not promote Veal instead?
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 2, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IIRC...
this has been talked about before. It seems that the consensus was that he’s being pushed up (deservedly or not) to challenge him, as it seems that he thrives on the challenges at the new level. (see last year from A to AA, and his first start this year at Iowa)
by tootle on Jul 2, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT
Brett Farve in talks with Packers about possible return. Why am I not surprised?
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jul 2, 2008 6:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good. Now Urlacher can make Brett's mind up for him by destroying him..
Devin Hester, you are rediculous! -Jeff Joniak
by ARAM FOR MVP on Jul 2, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming Urlacher feels like playing
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 2, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would require him to not whine for 10 minutes
how someone went from being my favorite bear to being a jerk so fast… makes my head spin.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 2, 2008 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 2, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
And back, and back, and back…..
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jul 2, 2008 7:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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