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Chicago Cubs
@ San Francisco Giants

Wednesday, Jul 2, 2008, 9:15 PM CDT
AT&T Park

Ryan Dempster vs Kevin Correia

Clear. Winds blowing out to center field at 15-20 m.p.h. Game Time temperature: Around 55.

Complete Coverage >

Barry Rozner reminds us to not panic during tough times and that:

Back in 1984, Cubs players talked often of winning day home games and having their division opponents see that on the scoreboard by the time they took the field that night, adding pressure to keep pace.

So while players sometimes complain about playing day games during the heat of the summer in Chicago, the heat of the pennant race also is a factor.

"We have a lot of confidence at home no matter what time we play," said Cubs manager Lou Piniella. "But I could see that being a part of it. It's nice to put that 'W' up there early in the day, and letting the other (teams) chase it."

The Cubs are 33-10 (.767) at home this year, their best start ever at Wrigley Field, and are 20-7 (.741) during the day.

When they get home next Tuesday, the Cubs will play 38 of their final 73 at home, including at least 24 under the sun.

Exactly. And this has been, for the most part, a cooler-than-average summer so far.

Sean Marshall will start this weekend against the Cardinals because their lineup is loaded with lefthanded hitters, and after that a decision will be made on whether he stays or goes back to Iowa.

And, more perspective: if you are worried, keep in mind that the Red Sox have now lost five straight in Tampa and are 2.5 games behind them, in danger of being swept there twice in the same season. Feel better now?

Today's Starting Pitchers
Ryan Dempster
R. Dempster
Cubs		 vs. Kevin Correia
K.
Correia
Giants
9-3 W-L 1-5
3.26 ERA 4.79
86 SO 26
41 BB 19
10 HR 5
vs. SF -- vs. Cubs
W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Ryan Dempster 9-3 17 17 1 0 0 0 105.0 83 45 38 10 41 86 3.26 1.18
W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Kevin Correia 1-5 8 8 0 0 0 0 41.1 42 22 22 5 19 26 4.79 1.48

Kevin Correia has been mostly a reliever in his career before joining the Giants' rotation fulltime this year. Lifetime against the Cubs he's allowed four runs in two innings in four relief appearances. Jim Edmonds (2-for-5, both doubles) is the only Cub who has more than two lifetime plate appearances vs. the Cubs. The Cubs did smack Correia around pretty good in this year's first spring training game on February 28; Mike Fontenot hit a three-run HR off him that day.

Ryan Dempster is coming off his worst start of the season -- he had been amazingly consistent in his previous 16 outings, so let's count that one as an aberration. His 0-6, 5.40 record in 7 career starts vs. the Giants is pretty meaningless, as all seven of those were in 2003 or before, and there's no one left on the Giants from those days. Rich Aurilia is 8-for-19 against him, but he's handled Randy Winn easily (1-for-17, 5 strikeouts).

Today's game is on cable in Chicago and in the Bay Area, on EI and at the MLB.com Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)

MLB.com Gameday (2008 version)

Baseball-reference.com game preview

Today's first-pitch thread posts at 9:15 pm CT and, way past my bedtime, the overflow comment threads will post at 10:15 and 11:15 pm CT.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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With Lincecum going tomorrow THIS is the game Cubs have to win

Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum are outstanding young pitchers. Cubs must beat up on this nomadic character on the mound tonight.

Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.

by MDBNIU on Jul 2, 2008 6:03 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"nomadic character"?

what does that even MEAN?

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 2, 2008 7:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually, I rather liked that description.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 2, 2008 7:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, ok

but I still don’t know what it MEANS.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 2, 2008 7:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm learning towards

journeyman.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 2, 2008 7:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Learning towards

The guy friggin sucks.

Light him up like a Christmas Tree

"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager

"Thats deep to left.....back back back HEY HEY!!! he did it attaboy Jimmy!!!!! woooooooo!!! tie game!! Thats for you Jack" Len Kasper 6/12/08

by Galvan316 on Jul 2, 2008 7:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

heh

well. or you could take that route. i was just telling drew what i thought blue mike was aiming for.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 2, 2008 7:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he moves around a lot
no·mad·ic [noh-mad-ik] –adjective
of, pertaining to, or characteristic of nomads.
no·mad [noh-mad] –noun
1. a member of a people or tribe that has no permanent abode but moves about from place to place, usually seasonally and often following a traditional route or circuit according to the state of the pasturage or food supply.
char·ac·ter [kar-ik-ter] –noun
1. the aggregate of features and traits that form the individual nature of some person or thing.

dictionary.com

Before Edmonds: 24-16, (.600); With Edmonds: 26-18 (.591)
Edmonds with Cubs: .282 / .370 / .563

by joeschmitt on Jul 2, 2008 8:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

CORREIA

LIGHT EM UP

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jul 2, 2008 6:07 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The rumors of your death...

were greatly exaggerated.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 2, 2008 6:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dirty rotten shame too

Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.

by MDBNIU on Jul 2, 2008 6:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

out. of. line.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 2, 2008 6:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

could be worse

....well not really. BUT, I could be misrepresenting myself as a former All MAC college baseball player which is hilariously false.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jul 2, 2008 6:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sigh...

Count that as my first and last response to you.

Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.

by MDBNIU on Jul 2, 2008 6:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It ain't the first...

and funny enough…it’s not the fist time you’ve even told him that…so we all doubt it will be the last.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 2, 2008 6:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just another case of his....

......(well insert many different words_

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jul 2, 2008 6:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Would you like me to prove it?

In respect to Al, I wont.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jul 2, 2008 6:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

entertainment

MDBNIU brings some entertainment to the board….it gets boring having everyone with the same opinion. Sure most of his opinions are wrong but he has a right to be wrong :)

by jeff_pico on Jul 2, 2008 6:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ha.....

You’re right….he’s the Eddie Haskell of the board

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jul 2, 2008 6:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, I'd love for you to prove that I didn't play b-ball at NIU in the early 80's

Because that would be a might revelation to myself. What was I doing those three years when I thought I was playing for Walt Owens at NIU in the early 80’s?

Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.

by MDBNIU on Jul 2, 2008 6:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

please see post above---or ill do it for it

“Sigh…

Count that as my first and last response to you”

The lying never stops…..

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jul 2, 2008 6:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and the answer to what was your rhetorical question is

.......drinking (and heavily)

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jul 2, 2008 6:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NIU

I don’t know why do we have any reason to believe MDBNIU didn’t pitch at NIU? Sure he’s shown trollish behavoir and never seems to happy when the Cubs win, only when the losses support his theories that most of the players suck lol

by jeff_pico on Jul 2, 2008 6:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sigh..

Freshman year - utility infielder
Sophomore year - 2nd baseman
Junior year—2nd baseman

Program was disbanded after my junior season. I graduated from NIU in 1985. NIU baseball was resurrected once again in the 90’s.

Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.

by MDBNIU on Jul 2, 2008 6:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You were that bad?

The had to disband the entire program? Ouch.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 2, 2008 6:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the equipment manager lost his job.....

TEAR

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jul 2, 2008 6:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is this going to turn out to be

A MDBNIU vs Hammer panty tussle fight?

Because we have already seen those before….

BORING

"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager

"Thats deep to left.....back back back HEY HEY!!! he did it attaboy Jimmy!!!!! woooooooo!!! tie game!! Thats for you Jack" Len Kasper 6/12/08

by Galvan316 on Jul 2, 2008 6:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ha....ask and you shall receive

(receive=I before E except after C)

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jul 2, 2008 6:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

reading is fundamental

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 2, 2008 6:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Question

The only question I have for MDBNIU is what Cubs player DOES he like? Whats been his all time happiest moment as a Cubs fan?

by jeff_pico on Jul 2, 2008 6:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Everything you need to know..

can be found here.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 2, 2008 7:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Answers

Favorite all time .. Bill Buckner

Current top favorite … Mark DeRosa

Players I like … Aramis Ramirez (best run producer the Cubs have had since Andre Dawson), Ryan Theriot, Derrek Lee, Geovany Soto, Jim Edmonds, Reed Johnson, Kosuke Fukudome, Ryan Dempster, Ted Lilly, Carlos Zambrano, Sean Gallagher, Kerry Wood, Carlos Marmol, Neal Cotts.

Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.

by MDBNIU on Jul 2, 2008 7:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Neal Cotts?

One question…

Why?

"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager

"Thats deep to left.....back back back HEY HEY!!! he did it attaboy Jimmy!!!!! woooooooo!!! tie game!! Thats for you Jack" Len Kasper 6/12/08

by Galvan316 on Jul 2, 2008 7:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's a battler

Every player I like doesn’t have to be great. On the reverse side I hate Alfonso Soriano, yet legitimate argument can be made over the wondrous nature of his statistics printed on the backs of bubblegum cards.

Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.

by MDBNIU on Jul 2, 2008 7:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sir

I dont know you very well, Im still new to this site well relatively new I’d say.

But that was probably the stupidest answer I have ever gotten to a baseball question ever.

"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager

"Thats deep to left.....back back back HEY HEY!!! he did it attaboy Jimmy!!!!! woooooooo!!! tie game!! Thats for you Jack" Len Kasper 6/12/08

by Galvan316 on Jul 2, 2008 7:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FTW!

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 2, 2008 7:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FTW?

what does that mean?

by BradB311 on Jul 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For
The
Win

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 2, 2008 7:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

learnt something new

actually, much like we turned Cedeno into ONEDEC!, I thought FTW was the opposite of WTF…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 2, 2008 7:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or...F*** the World!

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Jul 2, 2008 8:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Google is your friend...

but it means: For the Win

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 2, 2008 7:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

too lazy to google

i checked the BCB ditctionary. sorry for the stupid question.

by BradB311 on Jul 2, 2008 7:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

okay well firefox is your friend

ya highlight it and then right click and it says “search google for” whatever it was you’ve highlited.. pop goes new tab and you have ANSWERS.

lol

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 2, 2008 7:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well i guess

i learn somethin new everyday. I’m at work with an old version of IE

by BradB311 on Jul 2, 2008 7:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yuck

i can’t do IE.

i’m sorry if that came off as all smartassy. Didn’t mean for it to.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 2, 2008 7:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

However,

Firefox has more security issues than IE, Opera, and Safari combined. Just sayin..

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jul 2, 2008 7:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i've been using it for almost 3 years

and have yet to have any problems.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 2, 2008 7:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's probably not that big of a deal...

but I use my credit card online quite a bit, so I just like to be extra careful.

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jul 2, 2008 8:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah. Yeah. I don't shop online

:-)

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 2, 2008 8:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because people love ripping on him

it gets pretty tiring, to say the least. I don’t agree with all his takes, but I’m usually with him on how he rates pitchers.

I'm not a religious man, but I pray for Carlos Marmol's arm.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on Jul 2, 2008 6:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

boo.

bum. piss.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 2, 2008 7:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

although

the rumor of my work blocking BCB, fantasy and another Cubs site all in 1 day remain true. I have found myself staring at the computer screen more than once.

UGGGGGGGGG

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jul 2, 2008 6:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow, the unlucky triad..

My sympathies to you, sir.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Jul 2, 2008 7:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its (honestly) worse

....than getting the opposite of a raise

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jul 2, 2008 7:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he lives!

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 2, 2008 7:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

- 1

Ed Farmer refrences have no place here.
:)

"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager

"Thats deep to left.....back back back HEY HEY!!! he did it attaboy Jimmy!!!!! woooooooo!!! tie game!! Thats for you Jack" Len Kasper 6/12/08

by Galvan316 on Jul 2, 2008 7:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HE LIVES!

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 2, 2008 7:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes he does

Work blocked the site…..its like Office Space, they are doing everything in their power to make me quit….....

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jul 2, 2008 7:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Poor Hammer.

you’ve been missed. hope things get better.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yet like OfficeSpace

They should be giving you a huge raise?

Not enough flair maybe?

"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager

"Thats deep to left.....back back back HEY HEY!!! he did it attaboy Jimmy!!!!! woooooooo!!! tie game!! Thats for you Jack" Len Kasper 6/12/08

by Galvan316 on Jul 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I need to get either

an unpronounceable name or a name that resembles a former star.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jul 2, 2008 7:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You need to get a proxy server at work.

Try this or this.

Just sayin’.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 2, 2008 8:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

god bless (that this works)

thanks AL

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jul 2, 2008 8:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let me know.

I’d be interested to hear whether they work for BCB or not (haven’t tried).

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 2, 2008 8:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Remember what Homer J Simpson says:

“Lisa, when you don’t like your job, you don’t go on strike.” (or quit) “You just go in every day, and do it really half-assed. That’s the American way.”

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 2, 2008 7:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No one says LIGHT EM UP quite like the Hammer...:)

Many have tried…

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jul 2, 2008 7:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agree

I agree that this game is more winnable than against Lincecum, but they aren’t going to cancel taht game and call it a W for the Giants. So far the Giants haven’t proven they can score more than 2 runs. Even Lincecum can give up 3 runs in a good start.

by jeff_pico on Jul 2, 2008 6:14 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know if you read the SI article this week on Lincecum, but they say he may be unbeatable.

They compared him to Tiger, MJ, Gretsky.

Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs

by nji232 on Jul 2, 2008 6:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lincecum

Lincecum has given up 3 or more runs in 7 of his 17 starts…2 2-run starts, 4 1-run starts and 4 0-run starts.

by jeff_pico on Jul 2, 2008 6:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ha, are you kidding me?

Probably a good article….mostly because I like to read about guys like Tiger MJ and The Great One.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jul 2, 2008 6:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lincecum already makes my list of top 5 pitchers in baseball

He’s REAL good. Matt Cain is a very good young pitcher in his own right.

Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.

by MDBNIU on Jul 2, 2008 6:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The bigger they come, the harder they fall

I say cut Lincecum to pieces tomorrow after we take care of this Corriea character tonight.

No mercy!

by JFCubFan on Jul 2, 2008 6:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TWSS

Before Edmonds: 24-16, (.600); With Edmonds: 26-18 (.591)
Edmonds with Cubs: .282 / .370 / .563

by joeschmitt on Jul 2, 2008 8:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My current top 5....

Brandon Webb, Jake Peavy, Tim Lincecum, Johan Santana, Cole Hamels (in no particular order).

Carlos Zambrano, Josh Beckett, CC Sabathia, Dan Haren and Ben Sheets are top 10 for me. Roy Halladay and Rich Harden are a tick below.

Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.

by MDBNIU on Jul 2, 2008 6:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This really blew my mind...

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 2, 2008 7:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmmm.....

A “sorry someone’s not dead” and Harden a “tick below”? What happened to the deification of Rich Harden? I guess sainthood ain’t what it’s cracked up to be. So, did I miss a Harden DL trip?

by crazymountain on Jul 2, 2008 8:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And they never lost?

Really? News to me.

No one is unbeatable, its just a little more difficult.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 2, 2008 7:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Marshall is starting vs Cards

Do we have any clue when Z will make his first start ?

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Jul 2, 2008 6:21 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

friday

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jul 2, 2008 6:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Friday. I’m assuming Marshall is Saturday or Sunday.

Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona. - George F. Will

by 15% on Jul 2, 2008 6:22 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Question

I’m sitting behind the Cubs bullpen tonight. Which of the following shirts do I go with?

-The-Riot (worn to the stadium the last 2 nights)
-Fukudome
-Ernie Banks.

I will leave it to the trusty internets to decide for me.

by dbaltman on Jul 2, 2008 6:31 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dome

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 2, 2008 6:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DOME

Have fun….my grandpa RAVED about the ballpark (hes from Phoenix—go figure)

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jul 2, 2008 6:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Big Japanese American population in San Francisco

I would guess the Kosuke jersey would get the most attention.

Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.

by MDBNIU on Jul 2, 2008 6:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Definitely Dome.

We’ll watch for you.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 2, 2008 6:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The internets have spoken

I’ll be the tall goofy looking dude with a bad beard and a Dome shirt.

I know that description sounded pretty appealing, but hands off ladies, I’m taken.

by dbaltman on Jul 2, 2008 6:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For a night game in SF....i would suggest...

you dress a little warmer than just a Cubs jersey.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 2, 2008 6:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The question all the guys in here have asked ourselves after seeing that pic is:

“Do you think shes naked under those teddy bears?”

"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager

"Thats deep to left.....back back back HEY HEY!!! he did it attaboy Jimmy!!!!! woooooooo!!! tie game!! Thats for you Jack" Len Kasper 6/12/08

by Galvan316 on Jul 2, 2008 6:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think all those teddy bears are knitted on top of a long jacket

But like someone said..”If we take off our clothes we all are naked”

by cubsnlinux on Jul 2, 2008 6:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've gone

With a long sleeve shirt underneath the last 2 nights. It was fine on Monday, a little chilly last night.

Might have to bring a hat. After all, it accentuates the bad beard and helps me channel my inner Kyle Orton. Boiler up!

by dbaltman on Jul 2, 2008 6:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh! How'd the restaurant work out?!

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 2, 2008 6:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Couldn't make it

Long story. Didn’t get there until the 2nd on Monday night. Leaving right now though so I should be able to adequately wander the area.

by dbaltman on Jul 2, 2008 7:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

awww, too bad!

Have fun!!

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by slcathena on Jul 2, 2008 7:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

furry?

Before Edmonds: 24-16, (.600); With Edmonds: 26-18 (.591)
Edmonds with Cubs: .282 / .370 / .563

by joeschmitt on Jul 2, 2008 8:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

honestly, with wear you are sitting and knowing all that…you will be on.

Nice have a good time

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jul 2, 2008 6:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dome.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 2, 2008 7:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

howry cow

Before Edmonds: 24-16, (.600); With Edmonds: 26-18 (.591)
Edmonds with Cubs: .282 / .370 / .563

by joeschmitt on Jul 2, 2008 8:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With Marshall starting this weekend

does that mean Marquis gets skipped Sunday Night?

I'm not a religious man, but I pray for Carlos Marmol's arm.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on Jul 2, 2008 6:55 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably just pushed back

Those Cardinals certainly aren’t afraid of Marquis which may have played as much a part of the decision as all the leftys they want Marshall to face.

Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona. - George F. Will

by 15% on Jul 2, 2008 7:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They could skip Marquis, given the day off on Monday.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 2, 2008 7:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Afraid of Marquis?

I would hope no team is afraid of Marquis, he’s probably one of the more hittable pitchers in the league, and not exactly a control pitcher either.

by jeff_pico on Jul 2, 2008 7:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was being polite. There would be a fight at the bat racks throughout the Greater Metropolitan St. Louis area.

Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona. - George F. Will

by 15% on Jul 2, 2008 7:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You dont' want to start Marquis in St. Louis

Marquis wasn’t exactly loved by Tony LaRussa. The Cardinal hitters tend to respond very well to LaRussa’s venom for certain players.

Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.

by MDBNIU on Jul 2, 2008 7:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IIRC

Marquis has done quite well against his former team

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"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jul 2, 2008 7:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

4-2 with a 3.99

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jul 2, 2008 7:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yet Marquis was good against St. Louis

Last year.

Didnt he win like 3 games he started against them

One was like a 1 run outing?

"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager

"Thats deep to left.....back back back HEY HEY!!! he did it attaboy Jimmy!!!!! woooooooo!!! tie game!! Thats for you Jack" Len Kasper 6/12/08

by Galvan316 on Jul 2, 2008 7:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I did not know that..

Unfortunately my memories of Marquis are mostly confined to when he gets lit up like a Christmas tree and/or can’t get out of the 4th inning.

Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.

by MDBNIU on Jul 2, 2008 7:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Al

I heard your going to take the Rotation spot from Marquis next.

Any thoughts?

Hows your slider?

"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager

"Thats deep to left.....back back back HEY HEY!!! he did it attaboy Jimmy!!!!! woooooooo!!! tie game!! Thats for you Jack" Len Kasper 6/12/08

by Galvan316 on Jul 2, 2008 7:04 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

I throw a mean 50 MPH fastball.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 2, 2008 8:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

can you get it over the plate?

because if you can, you’re one up on Hill.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 2, 2008 8:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haven't tried lately.

But I couldn’t do much worse, could I?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 2, 2008 8:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Signing off until 1st pitch

Need to pick up my daughter from the pool. Ta ta for now.

Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.

by MDBNIU on Jul 2, 2008 7:09 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

24 under the sun? More like 14.

I guess it depends on who the cubs are contending with, but of those 24 games, 6 of them are on Sundays and since all but 1 game on Sunday is played during the day…

Plus, another 4 of those games (not including Sunday games) is played against the Cardinals, so there you have 14 ligit games that might affect the Cardinals and 18 that might affect the Brewers scoreboard watchers.

Not to mention 6 more on Saturday. I didn’t take the time to see where the Cardinals and Brewers matched up as far as day or night on those days.

by Tackle Box on Jul 2, 2008 7:15 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I want to blame last night's loss on whoever posted the W flag

in the pre-game blog. Bad karma. You know us folks in Cal-E-fornia (as our governor says), we are very karma-focused.

Let’s score early and often and help Dempster to a “smooth” performance!

GO CUBS!!

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 2, 2008 7:22 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Woah.

I totally missed that.

I’d like to blame last night’s loss on Jim Edmonds woulda been a home run hit to any other part of the park….

In other words, it happens, we got rocked by a good pitcher. They made some plays. Marquis had a great outing. We’ll get ‘em tonight. :)

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 2, 2008 7:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IAWTC

but, just for kicks, let’s keep the W flags out of the threads till AFTER the W.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 2, 2008 7:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

posting W flags before games

are over (particularly in the pre-game thread) needs to be referred to as “The Bernie Mac Rule.”

I still have nightmares from that guy. The minute that guy did the 7th inning stretch I got a stomach ache.

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 2, 2008 7:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree wholeheartedly.

No posting of W flags until the game is actually won.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 2, 2008 8:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Edmonds would have pulled the ball to another part of the yard for a homer

if it wasn’t for the pre-game post of the W flag.

You’ve made my point. :-)

I agree that we will have a better night tonight. :-))

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 2, 2008 7:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ha ha ha ha ha

fair.

I do agree about the W flag for what it’s worth.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 2, 2008 7:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MLB SCOREBOARD

St. Louis leads the Mets 1 – 0

On a Rick Ankiel single.

Right Now: Runners at 1st and 2nd with 1 away against Pedro.

"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager

"Thats deep to left.....back back back HEY HEY!!! he did it attaboy Jimmy!!!!! woooooooo!!! tie game!! Thats for you Jack" Len Kasper 6/12/08

by Galvan316 on Jul 2, 2008 7:35 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

time to not depend on the Mets

for anything more.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 2, 2008 7:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There is an up side

Once the craptastic Mets totally fall out of it, it will be easy for Cub fans to take
over Shea for the presumably crucial series the last week of the season
but jeez these are the ONLY games I wanted them to win and thanks to Armas starting
( my apologies to Tony for doubting his abilities FYI as long as he beat the Cardinals he can now
go back to sucking) the Cards won’t face Santana.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Jul 2, 2008 7:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think you need to apologize for doubting Armas.

His track record speaks for itself. Frankly, he didn’t pitch that well—just well enough.

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 2, 2008 7:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Poor Pedro

Just does not have it. I really like the guy but either he is done or he came back to early

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Jul 2, 2008 7:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

unless he finds some giddy up for his fastball

or learns to slow his slow stuff down, he’s done.

high 80s fastball with a low 80s change up isn’t big enough differential to work in the bigs.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 2, 2008 7:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

4-0, runner on 1st 0 out

And Delgado swings at a 2-0 pitch over the RH batter’s box. DP.

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 2, 2008 7:46 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Then Easley gets a hit. Easley!

Piniero looks bad so far. If the Mets help him, though . . .

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 2, 2008 7:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mets suck

down 4-0 heading into bottom 2nd

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 2, 2008 7:53 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No damage done by STL

STL leads 4-0 heading to 3rd

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 2, 2008 7:59 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sweet!

RBI double for Beltran. 4-1

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by slcathena on Jul 2, 2008 8:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

delgado walks

bases loaded, 2 outs for easley

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 2, 2008 8:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yep 4-3 Cards

bot 3

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 2, 2008 8:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

I;m not going to be able to watch todays game, unless they have it on at the bar

"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 2, 2008 8:04 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

15 cent drafts anyone?

"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 2, 2008 8:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So if C.C. Sabathia by chance got traded to the Cubs

or Harden or another #1 or 2 starter, where would that leave Dempster and Lilly in the playoffs

"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 2, 2008 8:11 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Um.

Can we put the horse before the cart?

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 2, 2008 8:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LSA

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 2, 2008 8:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

need 4 starters in the 7 game series

If Demp and Lilly are still pitching well wouldn’t see any reason why they wouldn’t get starts.

by jeff_pico on Jul 2, 2008 8:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

gotta get TO the playoffs

before you think about long series.

Wow. Can we jump any FURTHER ahead?

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 2, 2008 8:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh I agree

just speculating here. Long way from the playoffs. One game at a time.

by jeff_pico on Jul 2, 2008 8:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BUT

you have to look ahead in order to make the appropriate moves to get to where they want to get

"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 2, 2008 8:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no the Front Office has to look ahead

not the fans. I for one am NOWHERE near ready to think about the playoffs, especially not a 7 game series. Can’t we talk about the Giants or Cardinals first? Do we really have to go ingto “playoffs starter” talk on July 2nd? Really?

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 2, 2008 8:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

I understand its a popular thing to say, we are cubs fans so we shouldnt think about whats in the future because anything can happen, BUT the truth is, you me and everyone here do think about it. What trades can we make that can get us more wins in the second half of the season? Thats the future. What guy can we add that pushes us past the Cardinals into the playoffs. Thats the future. What can we do to have a solid lineup in the playoffs. Thats the future. You cant make a move once the playoffs start, you cant just add a guy at any moment. ITS ALL THE FUTURE, thats why we have sites like this, to contemplate and analyze what moves our general management is making and how we feel about it ourselves. Its a 162 game season, it is necessary to think of what we need to do to win more games, and there is plenty of time to have a conversation about it

"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 2, 2008 8:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it has nothing to do with b/c we're star crossed cubs fans

i’m just NOT READY to talk playoffs my bad.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 2, 2008 8:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Im not either

but dont you wonder what the lineup could be like with C.C. and Big Z, and how nice it would be with dempster and lilly as 3 and 4 or possibly relief. Its only natural.

"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 2, 2008 8:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no i haven't wondered yet

at all.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 2, 2008 8:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm with halfblindcubbiegirl.

Yes, we want to improve the team so it first MAKES the playoffs, then can SUCCEED in the playoffs.

But it’s too early to talk playoff rotations or lineups.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 2, 2008 8:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm thinking the lineup would likely remain the same....

meaning it will have soriano first and also theriot at some point probably 2nd which is unfortunate

by Canseco's Roid Party on Jul 2, 2008 8:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

huh?

and Ryan Theriot, leads all NL shortstops in BA and OBP. Sorry had to throw that tidbit in there, but HUH? We are talking about the pitching lineup, or excuse me, the rotation

"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 2, 2008 8:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he also leads the team in dumb base running plays

which should be IMPOSSIBLE considering who’s behind him on the depth chart.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 2, 2008 8:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

funny

Noone said anything about Cedenos fielding error yesterday… but if it were Theriot, all hell would break loose

"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 2, 2008 8:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They Both Need A Remedial Course

in baserunning fundamentals.

Eat More Katsui

by CaliCub on Jul 2, 2008 8:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 2, 2008 8:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

were you even around yesterday?

because the entire game thread was spent talking about the stupidity of our defense last night

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 2, 2008 8:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no I wasnt on BCB

I apologize

"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 2, 2008 8:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not Here But I Watched

and got sick to my stomach seeing the gaffes of our middle infielders.

Brian Roberts or Khalil Greene, anyone? Or both?

Eat More Katsui

by CaliCub on Jul 2, 2008 8:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Neither, thanks.

Let’s see. The Cubs have the best record in the NL without those two, and with several key players out for the last couple of weeks.

We’ll be just fine. Concentrate on getting pitching help.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 2, 2008 8:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My moto for the season has been

We’ll be just fine. So thank you for re-iterating that.

"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 2, 2008 8:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yabbut

If we don’t have what it takes to get CC or Harden, let’s try to shore up the second glaring weakness on the club – the middle infield.

Eat More Katsui

by CaliCub on Jul 2, 2008 8:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the defense in general is not good

outside of Derrek, Soto and Dome… subpar across the board in my eyes.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 2, 2008 8:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 2, 2008 8:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True Enough

Still I advocate Roberts and Greene because 1) getting pitching may not happen, 2) the OF of Soriano-Edmonds/Johnson/Dome is not where you’d upgrade, and 3) Green and Roberts are somewhat attainable.

Eat More Katsui

by CaliCub on Jul 2, 2008 8:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

do what?

Theres been no indications that the Cubs are looking to upgrade Derosa/Theriot. Theriot may not be the answer long term but I doubt we see that drastic a change to the lineup/team.

by jeff_pico on Jul 2, 2008 8:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably Not

but I think we can do better (and should).

Eat More Katsui

by CaliCub on Jul 2, 2008 8:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you're right.

I’ve been wondering about that—how would the team react if they replaced Theriot given his average?

I’d like to see an upgrade, but would the clubhouse like it?

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 2, 2008 8:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You mean the middle infield

that continuously gets on base in front of the big guns.

"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 2, 2008 8:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm not talking about gettin ON BASE

catching the ball on the other hand has been ugly

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 2, 2008 8:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its not hurting us to terribly bad right now

I mean we are top 3 teams in all of baseball and have drawn praise across the board. BUT BUT BUT, we do need to improve on the defense, it kind of hurts to watch these guys sometimes

"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 2, 2008 8:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IF

Theriot doesn’t negate his singles-only offense with mental mistakes, and if Fontenot only plays when we’re way ahead or way behind.

Eat More Katsui

by CaliCub on Jul 2, 2008 8:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Theriots Singles only

works just fine when DLee and the rest of the big guys come up and knock him in.

"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 2, 2008 8:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey, I Hope It Keeps Up

But his .326 lifetime OBP is a concern.

Eat More Katsui

by CaliCub on Jul 2, 2008 8:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is funny

since the Cubs commited no errors yesterday.

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jul 2, 2008 8:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe it wasnt charged as an error

I was watching at the bar and saw Cedeno make a bad throw to first, maybe it was the day before. I apologize for not having these stats typed into my brain

"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 2, 2008 8:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was a bad throw and it was yesterday

But a good throw wouldn’t have gotten Winn, anyway.

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 2, 2008 8:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The point is to make the playoffs

Right? So it is inevitable to talk about the playoffs. I understand we may or may not make the playoffs, but isn’t a decent and important train of thought to decide where our rotation can be IF and WHEN we do make the playoffs?

"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 2, 2008 8:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's still early.

What time is your family eating Thanksgiving dinner?

For example.

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 2, 2008 8:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

After The Lions Game

at which point I hope Matt Millen is finally canned.

Eat More Katsui

by CaliCub on Jul 2, 2008 8:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've got a buddy who feels the same way about that.

Countdown to hbc and mcf questioning that I have a friend . . . in 10…9…8…

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 2, 2008 8:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you've got friends, outside of this place?

i’m SHOCKED, shocked I say.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 2, 2008 8:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

took a minute to z thru and find it

:glaces around for madison:

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 2, 2008 8:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hey girl

I bet its the same friend he mentioned yesterday. hehehe

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 2, 2008 9:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

An Enemy of Millen

is a friend of mine.

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by CaliCub on Jul 2, 2008 8:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My family isnt a multi-million dollar ball club

that is investing millions into the “meat” of the rotation. But I see your point

"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 2, 2008 8:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As Teddy Kennedy once said to me...

“We’ll go off that bridge when we get to it.”

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 2, 2008 8:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You dont get CC for right this moment only

You get C.C. to push you through to the playoffs and to be a horse in the playoffs…. I mean Jim Hendry isnt sitting there thinking…. Ill worry about the playoffs when I get there, he is thinking.. “What can I do to make this team not only get there, but come out of the playoffs with flying colors”

"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 2, 2008 8:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just meant we can

worry about a playoff rotation much later.

first we have to sign CC. Then we have to make the play-offs. Etc…

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 2, 2008 9:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

4-3 Cards

Easley 2-run single.

I'm not a religious man, but I pray for Carlos Marmol's arm.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on Jul 2, 2008 8:16 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lineups

Cubs
Fukudome, RF
Theriot, SS
Lee, 1B
Soto, C
Edmonds, CF
DeRosa, 3B
Murton, LF
Fontenot, 2B
Dempster, P

Giants
Lewis, LF
Durham, 2B
Winn, RF
Rowand, CF
Bowker, 1B
Aurilia, 3B
Alfonzo, C
Vizquel, SS
Correia, P

by Bruce Miles on Jul 2, 2008 8:22 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Murton's probably going back to Iowa tomorrow...

... when Reed Johnson is activated. Maybe it’s a going-away present.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 2, 2008 8:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How bout he goes 5-5 with 4 RBI

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by nji232 on Jul 2, 2008 8:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That'd be great.

But I’m guessing he’s still going back to Iowa.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 2, 2008 8:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Knowing the Cubs...

...those two things are not mutually exclusive,

by John Q Freejazz on Jul 2, 2008 8:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

never know when you might need one!

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 2, 2008 8:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They make the best left fielders

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by nji232 on Jul 2, 2008 8:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no kidding

god forbid we put an OFer in the OF, that never works!

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 2, 2008 8:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's the thing.

It’s pretty apparent that Edmonds could use a day off or so here soon. If Reed is playing center, it might be nice to have a left fielder that isn’t our second baseman.

But oh, silly me, that cuts into Mike Fontenot’s playing time.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 2, 2008 8:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Soriano may be back in a week.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 2, 2008 8:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank you God.

This little spell should end any doubt of his value to this team.

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by nji232 on Jul 2, 2008 8:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And then I, myself, would think about sending Murton down.

In the interim, I like the idea of having actual outfielders, and think that we can get by with only two backup middle infielders.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 2, 2008 8:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Patterson

I think we will see Patterson go down, Lou won’t play him in LF and he’d be about 4th string at 2nd. The only thing he has going for him is his left handness, but they might as well get Hoffpauer up here if they want a lefty off the bench.

by jeff_pico on Jul 2, 2008 8:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kid Ginger to the rescue!!!

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Jul 2, 2008 8:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The World is coming to an end!

DeRo is playing the same position for the third consecutive game?

And a Matt Murton sighting against a LHP?

Quick! Someone help me before I fall out of my window and go splat on my neighbor’s patio!!!

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Jul 2, 2008 9:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks Bruce!

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jul 2, 2008 8:23 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mets-Cards

Now in rain delay, bottom 3rd, 4-3 Cards.

"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI

by sweetswinger on Jul 2, 2008 8:24 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually, I'm not sure that's a good thing

Piniero looked awful. Eight hits in three innings. Too long of a delay and he probably doesn’t come back for the 4th.

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 2, 2008 8:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, no matter what, I'd like Piniero to stay in

Because I doubt he’d get through too many more innings without giving up runs.

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 2, 2008 8:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cardinals

I hate having to worry so much about the Cardinals games lol…lets just worry about winning our games :)

by jeff_pico on Jul 2, 2008 8:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fair enough, really I'm hoping for another Mulder appearance tonight.

Then again LaRussa might just bring out a tee and see what happens

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by nji232 on Jul 2, 2008 8:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yea I find it funny

how people dont want to talk about the Cubs rotation going into the second half of the season and possibly the playoffs, but are ALL about talking about what is happening in a different ballpark. It is important though, just a devils advocate approach. I am all about seeing what happens with the cards, but its kind of a funny juxtaposition people take that cracks me up

"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 2, 2008 8:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Personally I enjoy the season long scoreboard watching

I have one Cardinal fan friend who counts down the magic number every year from 163. I think watching the scores inside the division all season long makes the season even more fun.

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by nji232 on Jul 2, 2008 8:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+ 1

"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 2, 2008 8:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Helps Me When The Cubs Lose

Immediately I check to see if StL and the Brewers lost.

Eat More Katsui

by CaliCub on Jul 2, 2008 8:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's the thing.

A lot could happen between now and then. Dempster could suddenly remember that he’s Ryan Dempster. We could tank in the standings and be fighting for a wildcard spot. The league could contract the NL West out of embarassment and give the top-seeded NL team a first round bye. There’s no point to looking ahead that far.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 2, 2008 8:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A real frog strangler as my grandaddy used to say...

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jul 2, 2008 8:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OOps...

that was a reply to LT..

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jul 2, 2008 8:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

From John Perotto

Scouts are saying (behind subscriber wall?) about Carlos Marmol:

“He looks really tired to me, his arm is dragging, and his stuff isn’t as crisp. He’s a helluva young pitcher but [manager] Lou Piniella has been forced to ride him really hard this season and the wear and tear is showing.”

by DGU on Jul 2, 2008 8:49 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs