Overflow Thread 1: Cubs vs. Astros, Sunday 7/20, 1:05 CT

by Al on Jul 20, 2008 2:15 PM CDT in Game Threads Comment 234 comments

Did I mention this game was pretty important?

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First?

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by cwyers on Jul 20, 2008 2:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

man.... always the stats guy... ;-)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 20, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's my first first!

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by cwyers on Jul 20, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's a beautiful feeling

There are great firsts in a persons life.

First steps

First day of school

First kiss

First time getting busy

First (and hopefully only) wedding

First baby

But nothing in the world compares to the first time your first on a game or overflow thread!

Go Cubs

by cubstoseriesby100 on Jul 20, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jul 20, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you're always first in our column, cwyers

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by Emelie on Jul 20, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is there any statistical significance

in having a sabermagician post first on a team’s blog—does it increase the chances of that team winning?

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by DeRoMyHero on Jul 20, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually

Actually if a sabermatician posts first on his favorite team’s blog 1st overflow post on sundays the week the bears start training camp the team is 12-2.

Go Cubs

by cubstoseriesby100 on Jul 20, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bears training camp has started?

That’s bad news for the Cubs…

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by DeRoMyHero on Jul 20, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

let's knock Backe back to the showers now.

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 20, 2008 2:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Boy, that ump loves the low strike call.

Saved our bacon on Backe’s ab, though.

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Jul 20, 2008 2:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

where have you been cwyers

"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 20, 2008 2:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

our nation turns its lonely eyes to you

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by Emelie on Jul 20, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haha..

that song is still in my head..

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by Bump Bailey on Jul 20, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Aramis

Will never get a hit again right?

by gocubs40 on Jul 20, 2008 2:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Make up call....

...close but I don’t think that’s a strike, either.

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 20, 2008 2:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Ramy is really in a funk right now.

His hot streak after his last 0-28 didn’t last long…

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by DeRoMyHero on Jul 20, 2008 2:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

LOL

Way off the plate on the Astros broadcast’s pitch tracker

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by JohnM on Jul 20, 2008 2:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Edmonds long single

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 20, 2008 2:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Sounds like the wind

is blowing in Len and Bob’s microphone but there shouldn’t be any wind. Strange.

Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.

by sue369 on Jul 20, 2008 2:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I mentioned that Friday night.

At first, I thought that hissing noise might be Joe Morgan, but then I realized it wasn’t ESPN doing the game.

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Jul 20, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.

by sue369 on Jul 20, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The sound of the crowd in that garbage stadium

reminds me of going to my little brothers swim meets with a pool and enough stands for 50 people… the echoes, I know insignificant to you guys but it makes me laugh

"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 20, 2008 2:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Why?

is this stadium garbage?

by JPetey on Jul 20, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I dont know I just dont like it

Its too small and odd, I dont know… its just one of those things I really dont like

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by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 20, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

fair enough

Just wondering cause AL in his pregame also mentioned it.

by JPetey on Jul 20, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's okay

I’ve been there it’s okay. Nothing to write home about but not bad.

Go Cubs

by cubstoseriesby100 on Jul 20, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think for me

They tried too hard to make it stand apart from other ball parks. Short porches and damn hill. That coupled with the windows and I am not liking it.

by jajonez77 on Jul 20, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Backe 79 pitches

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 20, 2008 2:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Come on Demp....let's have a good inning...

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 20, 2008 2:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Erstad K's....1 down

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 20, 2008 2:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Demp, strikeouts are so facist.

says Crash Davis.

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Jul 20, 2008 2:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

3 % of the population are officially insane....

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 20, 2008 2:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Which is why those poll questions are dumb most of the time

Always one obvious answer and a few people with questionable brains wasting texts on the other answers

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by nji232 on Jul 20, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What was the poll question?

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by cwyers on Jul 20, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What's the best division in the NL?

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Jul 20, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

NL West.

Dur.

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by cwyers on Jul 20, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Central won with 89%

East 8%
West 3%

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by flachimesa on Jul 20, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

but text messaging fees do apply

so AT&T is making some $$$ from these dumb poll questions

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Jul 20, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

agree

must b drunk

by cubs2410 on Jul 20, 2008 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

K's Berkman....2 down

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 20, 2008 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Demps cooking with gas now

"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."

by californiachicagoan on Jul 20, 2008 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

he's in the groove

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by Emelie on Jul 20, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Complete game reachable

if all his innings are like that one

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by californiachicagoan on Jul 20, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Another cheap hit...jeebus

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 20, 2008 2:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You know a guy owns a team when he get two of those hits in one game

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by nji232 on Jul 20, 2008 2:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Did I mention I hate Carlos Lee?

And did you see that little fountain of dust kicked up by the ball when it hit in center field? What have they got out there, sawdust?

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Jul 20, 2008 2:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Carlos Lee must die.

Freakin frakkin fricker!

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by californiachicagoan on Jul 20, 2008 2:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Good inning Demp!!!!!!

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 20, 2008 2:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Demp 71 pitches...51 strikes

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 20, 2008 2:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Wow!!!

Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.

by sue369 on Jul 20, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

those are fantastic numbers.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 20, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

who do u close with?

howry or marmol?

by cubs2410 on Jul 20, 2008 2:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

My nerves could handle Howry better, but....

I suspect it’ll be Marmol.

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Jul 20, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Demp has only 71 pitches. Let him finish unless he runs his pitch count up

by West Coast Diehard on Jul 20, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

agree

Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.

by sue369 on Jul 20, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Marmol

by jajonez77 on Jul 20, 2008 2:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

SD up 3-1 over the cards

"Go Cubs Go"

by mkcubs21 on Jul 20, 2008 2:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

what inning?

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by Emelie on Jul 20, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

top 5

"Go Cubs Go"

by mkcubs21 on Jul 20, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Go Friars!!!

by salparadise23 on Jul 20, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jermaine Dye hit in Chicago...

Hawk wants the Sox to hit a Royal with a pitch.

by gocubs40 on Jul 20, 2008 2:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

ugh

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by Emelie on Jul 20, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What will he say when that pitcher gets kicked out?

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by nji232 on Jul 20, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I really don't understand that logic

If your guy gets hit intentionally in the face… then maybe. But to bean a player intentionally because the other teams pitcher let a ball get away makes no sense.

by GoCubbies34 on Jul 20, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't get that either.

Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.

by sue369 on Jul 20, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Might be last inning for Backe....

84 pitches, bats 4th next inning…

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 20, 2008 2:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Fonty base hit....

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 20, 2008 2:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Fontenot should start every year from mid-June to August 1st

Then only used off the bench

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by nji232 on Jul 20, 2008 2:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

He's definately looked better with consistent playing time...

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 20, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree, but didn't we kinda get burned a little last August when he had to play full time?

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by nji232 on Jul 20, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Demp is a REALLY good bunter.

I’m not sure if I’ve seen him fail yet.

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Jul 20, 2008 2:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Great point.

11 sacrifices. Leads the team. Next best is Lilly with only 6!

"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."

by californiachicagoan on Jul 20, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He should be our designated bunter

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by californiachicagoan on Jul 20, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

4-0!!!!!

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by Emelie on Jul 20, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Yes sir!

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by nji232 on Jul 20, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Was just checking out the schedule..

brewers @ Cards starting a 4 gamer tomorrow. Could help us out if they split..

"Go Cubs Go"

by mkcubs21 on Jul 20, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

or if one team sweeps.

by gocubs40 on Jul 20, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

we want them to split

four fifteen inning games.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 20, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

thats what i was thinking.. a split helps us in the standings more than a sweep

"Go Cubs Go"

by mkcubs21 on Jul 20, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

4-0

Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.

by sue369 on Jul 20, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

That a way Riot!!!!!

4-0

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 20, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Riot time!!!

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by mkcubs21 on Jul 20, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Riot!

by gocubs40 on Jul 20, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Finally

the bats have come alive.

4-0

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 20, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Nice talk Backe

by West Coast Diehard on Jul 20, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

wouldn't that be

Backe talk? ::grin::

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by Emelie on Jul 20, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

sorry . . . Too cute

by West Coast Diehard on Jul 20, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

twss

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by Emelie on Jul 20, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lol

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by californiachicagoan on Jul 20, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Riot!!

I know what a lot of people say on this board, but you’ve got to play a guy with that batting average.

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Jul 20, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

+10000000

I understand his flaws but he always gets on base!! Play him!!

"Go Cubs Go"

by mkcubs21 on Jul 20, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Another multiple hit game for Riot.....

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 20, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Nice to see a little small ball

Thats what makes a good team even better.

by jajonez77 on Jul 20, 2008 2:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, that run was set up by the good bunt from Dempster.

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by Cubfansince1957 on Jul 20, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Boy do I LOVE to see the Cubs get a run like that!

by bluekoolaide on Jul 20, 2008 2:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

How can you bench Theriot?

Another hit for The Riot. Add an RBI, too.

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by flachimesa on Jul 20, 2008 2:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

easily.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 20, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

with?

please don’t say Cedeno.. Please don’t say Cedeno..

"Go Cubs Go"

by mkcubs21 on Jul 20, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Could we find a doctor who could combine Theriot's hitting with Cedeno's defense we wouldn't have this debate

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by nji232 on Jul 20, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's a game thread....

Riot bashing threads have to happen at some point….

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 20, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

why not?

Give Cedeno some playing time, see if he can get his bat in order.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 20, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

but why take a hot bat..

out of the order.. If he cools off fine try him, but not right now..

"Go Cubs Go"

by mkcubs21 on Jul 20, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hot bat

and an empty glove.

It’s arguable, I think, whether his offensive… work (I hesitate to use the word “power” in association with Ryan Theriot) gains us more runs than his glove and/or bad baserunning costs us.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 20, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My point is right now you ahve to keep his bat in the lineup b/c he is getting a base. Right now he is hot and you have to find a way to keep a hot bat in the lineup. If he cools then i’d agree but right now he is swinging a hot bat.

"Go Cubs Go"

by mkcubs21 on Jul 20, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you're not listening

the bat does not overcome his baserunning blunders and poor fielding.

At least, that’s my opinion.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 20, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm listening clearly..

and i agree that hitting doesn’t make up for all of that. my point was RIGHT NOW he is getting on base quite a bit. A 13 game hit streak would indicate that. that jumps starts runs. and i personally don’t think Cedeno is a better player than Theriot. maybe defensively but after that he makes the same baserunning blunders and he doesn’t hit as much.

"Go Cubs Go"

by mkcubs21 on Jul 20, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Riot

has made many more baserunning blunders.

Of course, he gets to play.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 20, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'll put an end to this..

we’ll just agree to disagree and call it a day.. at least we both agree on our team.. Go Cubs!!

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by mkcubs21 on Jul 20, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You can't bench the Riot

As long as he keeps hitting like this, it isn’t even a question

by bluekoolaide on Jul 20, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You don't write him name in the lineup card?

I think that’s how it works, isn’t it?

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by cwyers on Jul 20, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i believe the point was..

there is no reason not to tho.. at least not right now with the way he is hitting.

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by mkcubs21 on Jul 20, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no reason not to

except for his base-running and his fielding

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 20, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

again the point was..

right now you don’t take a hot bat out of your lineup.

"Go Cubs Go"

by mkcubs21 on Jul 20, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and again

I’m not sure his bat makes up for the other things.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 20, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

At some point...

...a player’s fielding has to offset his hitting, right? Otherwise guys like Cliff Floyd would be playing shortstop.

The question is where you draw that line. But it IS a question.

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by cwyers on Jul 20, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed.. my only point is

right now his hitting is very good. you have to keep a hot bat in the lineup. You don’t take him out at this current time bc he is getting on base..

"Go Cubs Go"

by mkcubs21 on Jul 20, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dude, some advice....

.....let this, yet another Riot bashing thread, just die or you’ll be going back and forth all day with the Riot haters…

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 20, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.

by sue369 on Jul 20, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

my bad.. i can get worked up about all this Theriot stuff sometimes.

"Go Cubs Go"

by mkcubs21 on Jul 20, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Would Riot be at least an average defensive 2B in your opinion?

IMO, DeRo would be at least as good of a SS as Riot. What would happen if you switch the two?

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by DeRoMyHero on Jul 20, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm not opposed to something like that..

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by mkcubs21 on Jul 20, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

DeRosa is really past the age where you'd want to be moving him back to shortstop...

...on anything more than an emergency basis. (He’s probably the third-best shortstop defensively on the team right now, not that that says much.)

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by cwyers on Jul 20, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

very true.

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by mkcubs21 on Jul 20, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed that he won't win a GG at SS,

but neither will Theriot. I don’t think that Cedeno has shown Lou enough consistency to get a real chance.

So, what if…

Assume that we are passed the trade deadline.
Assume that Riot sprains his ankle and will miss a month.
Does Lou:
1. Play Ronny every day at SS
2. Platoon Ronny and Fonty with DeRo shifting between SS and 2B
3. Platoon Ronny and Fonty with Fonty playing SS
4. Play DeRo at SS and Fonty at 2B every day

Not great options, but do we have anyone to call up from AA and AAA that would be better?

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by DeRoMyHero on Jul 20, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

#4

gives you the most power at the plate, but DeRosa at SS… I dunno…

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by drewishdrewid on Jul 20, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We have absolutely no SS depth in the minors.

Which is why we can’t afford to put Cedeno on waivers, despite what you hear around here from time to time.

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by cwyers on Jul 20, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

2 Cajuns + 1 Canadien = 1 run!

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by californiachicagoan on Jul 20, 2008 2:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Backe looks pissed

I love it!

by bluekoolaide on Jul 20, 2008 2:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Hopefully...

Lincecum brings his good stuff today

by gocubs40 on Jul 20, 2008 2:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

fly ball fuku

dang

by cubs2410 on Jul 20, 2008 2:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

He has really lost his patience

I wonder if the wandering MLB strikezone has him off kilter. He seems stunned by some of the strike calls lately.

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by californiachicagoan on Jul 20, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

4-0 bottom of the order up the the Stros

Come on Demp!!!!

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 20, 2008 2:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

5 K's with no BB's. Wonderful

by West Coast Diehard on Jul 20, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is anyone else having trouble getting BCB to load, display avatars, etc.?

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by DeRoMyHero on Jul 20, 2008 2:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

yes

by gocubs40 on Jul 20, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

its been that way most of the day..

but at least the threads have been working fine.

"Go Cubs Go"

by mkcubs21 on Jul 20, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

if he works this one quickly we might get the complete game

by cubs2410 on Jul 20, 2008 2:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

3-1 SD thru 5

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by mkcubs21 on Jul 20, 2008 2:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

yes

by cubs2410 on Jul 20, 2008 2:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I love Archie Bell and the Drells

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by Emelie on Jul 20, 2008 2:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

+1

Come on, Demp. Tighten up on those Stros.

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Jul 20, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

twhs

by West Coast Diehard on Jul 20, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The fan cam

is not kind today.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 20, 2008 2:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

thats what i was thinking

houston looks rough

by cubs2410 on Jul 20, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

not in the least ...eye sores

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by Emelie on Jul 20, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cuz the roof isn't open. No one is showing any skin.

Of course, now that I think about it, that could be a kindness, given that we’re playing in Houston.

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by Cubfansince1957 on Jul 20, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pop out by Blum, 1 down

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 20, 2008 2:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Backe seems like a headcase

"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.

by CubsBall2202 on Jul 20, 2008 2:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

is he yelling at the ump still?

by cubs2410 on Jul 20, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

They showed him staring down the ump from the dugout before he went to the clubhouse

Then he muttered some curse at him

by CubsBall2202 on Jul 20, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Any more than Big Z?

by UTCUBS on Jul 20, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would say they are similar in that area

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by nji232 on Jul 20, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Z has

better style.

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by drewishdrewid on Jul 20, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

prolly not..

but a 10-4 record will help your case more than a 6-9 record.

"Go Cubs Go"

by mkcubs21 on Jul 20, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd like to know

what Z was yelling to Geo last night.

Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.

by sue369 on Jul 20, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I daydream about mic'ing up the squad

Lou and umps, no announcers, just let us hear it all uncut

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by Emelie on Jul 20, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Now that would be cool.

Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.

by sue369 on Jul 20, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd love it but I'll bet some FCC regulations would be violated.

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by Cubfansince1957 on Jul 20, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh for sure.

Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.

by sue369 on Jul 20, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

put it on HBO

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by Emelie on Jul 20, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

either way atleast he didnt point at the score board!!LOL

by UTCUBS on Jul 20, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i like the cam shots of the girls in the bleachers much better

by cubs2410 on Jul 20, 2008 2:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

We got it going today

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by Emelie on Jul 20, 2008 2:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

LOL Bob Brenly.

Saying that Hunter Spence’s legs are so skinny that it looks like rustlers stole his calves.

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by Cubfansince1957 on Jul 20, 2008 2:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

that made me laugh too

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by Emelie on Jul 20, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good one

"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."

by californiachicagoan on Jul 20, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Anyone else remember hearing in March

that Towles was a ROY candidate, and that there were a few writers who said he would be better than Soto?

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by DeRoMyHero on Jul 20, 2008 2:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Remember when Jay Bruce was gonna be better than Soto?

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by nji232 on Jul 20, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

cant walk taht scrub

by cubs2410 on Jul 20, 2008 2:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

No complete game for Demps today.

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by californiachicagoan on Jul 20, 2008 2:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I think this inning shows we aren't seeing a cg today.

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by Cubfansince1957 on Jul 20, 2008 2:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Thru 6, still 3-1 SD

"Go Cubs Go"

by mkcubs21 on Jul 20, 2008 3:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

let's all beam win ions over to SD

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by Emelie on Jul 20, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think I used all of mine

On a Cubs win for today. :)

by jajonez77 on Jul 20, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

good choice

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by Emelie on Jul 20, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We're all waiting for a Cardinal comeback

by gocubs40 on Jul 20, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ARAM

not having a good run of things.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 20, 2008 3:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I feel so much better about our team when ARam is swinging a hot bat

maybe he will get it going back in AZ.

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by LAcarl519 on Jul 20, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He seems to be doing the same thing that DLee is doing

Reaching for that low and away slider.

by jajonez77 on Jul 20, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe he needs to change his sox?

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by Cubfansince1957 on Jul 20, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

a few days ago,

Ron Santo said that if Aram’s hot streak ended, he’d switch his socks. hasn’t happened yet.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 20, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, his cold bat is definitely NOT affecting his glove.

Everyone slumps with the bat. Guys who don’t let it affect their defense are the guys you can rely on.

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by DeRoMyHero on Jul 20, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Demp is still in!

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 20, 2008 3:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

it would be so cool if he got a CG

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by Emelie on Jul 20, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually, I'm good with Marmol pitching an efficient, scoreless ninth.

Dempster getting a complete game gives me memories of Dusty Baker leaving Prior and Wood in.

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by Cubfansince1957 on Jul 20, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

true, but he has an excellent pitch count today

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by Emelie on Jul 20, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dempster is a different pitcher than Prior or Wood

From a style stand point.

by jajonez77 on Jul 20, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Marmol is up in the pen.

Howry is NOT.

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by drewishdrewid on Jul 20, 2008 3:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Got him! 1 down. Nice pitch.

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 20, 2008 3:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Astros broadcast text poll

“Will the Astros complete the sweep?”

Results: 66% Yes, 33% No

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jul 20, 2008 3:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

What fools these mortals be!

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by Cubfansince1957 on Jul 20, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

100

pitches

by cubs2410 on Jul 20, 2008 3:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

very nice

by cubs2410 on Jul 20, 2008 3:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

2 down, K! 101 pitches.

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 20, 2008 3:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Rockin' Ryan

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by Emelie on Jul 20, 2008 3:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

+100

well Dempster did just get his first home loss, so it is time that his luck on the road turns around.

Let’s score a few in the 9th just to make things a bit easier on the pitching staff (whoever throws in the 9th)

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 20, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fly out....

cruising….and he’ll probably come out for the 9th with 102 pitches.

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 20, 2008 3:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Demp is only at

102-103 pitches. They should let him finish the game.

"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08

by drewishdrewid on Jul 20, 2008 3:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I think Lou will let him try.

"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."

by californiachicagoan on Jul 20, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Great start from Dempster today.

Just what the team needed after the two first inning runs.

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by nji232 on Jul 20, 2008 3:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Padres strand two in the 7th.

SD 3
STL 1

by GateCity, VA Cubs Fan on Jul 20, 2008 3:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

anybody see how long the Padre pitcher took to round the bases after his homer?

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by nji232 on Jul 20, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ha! I just watched it...

...running hard until he got to 2nd, then he briskly walked the rest….lol

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 20, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

stros

will have lee, tejada, wigginton…. Id rather stay with dempster

by cubs2410 on Jul 20, 2008 3:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I think that's what'll happen.

But with a quick string if he gets a man on with less than 2 out.

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Jul 20, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The last time Dempster pitched more innings than he has already this year...

...was 2002. I don’t know that we need to ride him THAT hard.

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by cwyers on Jul 20, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

unless

we get another run then I go with gaudin

by cubs2410 on Jul 20, 2008 3:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Double DeRo!!!!

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 20, 2008 3:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

DeRo doubles! da man!

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by Emelie on Jul 20, 2008 3:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

YAY Mark!!!!

Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.

by sue369 on Jul 20, 2008 3:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

nice start, DeRo!

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by LAcarl519 on Jul 20, 2008 3:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Lets get DeRo hot for the D-Bags series

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by nji232 on Jul 20, 2008 3:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Geo is so due for a big hit.

Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.

by sue369 on Jul 20, 2008 3:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

wow that woman in the crowd has quite the squeal

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by Emelie on Jul 20, 2008 3:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Maybe that was Joe Morgan?

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by Cubfansince1957 on Jul 20, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol!

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by Emelie on Jul 20, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lefties gettng it done today

5/11 3 runs 2 rbi

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by californiachicagoan on Jul 20, 2008 3:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Wow

how many ‘off the wall’ hits have been singles or just barely doubles

by JPetey on Jul 20, 2008 3:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

next overflow is available...

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by LAcarl519 on Jul 20, 2008 3:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Riot,

Were you watching how DeRo held at 2B on a grounder to the left side?

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by DeRoMyHero on Jul 20, 2008 3:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

6-0 wooohooo

Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.

by sue369 on Jul 20, 2008 3:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

HHHHAAAAAAMMMMSSSSTTTEEERRRR!!!!!!!

by salparadise23 on Jul 20, 2008 3:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Nice drive Fonty!!! 6-0

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 20, 2008 3:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Fonty!

Player of the game.

by jajonez77 on Jul 20, 2008 3:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Fontenot continues to confound me

seems so one dimensional but he keeps coming up with BIG hits-I’m starting to understand why Lou seems to like him so much.

by bluekoolaide on Jul 20, 2008 3:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

he doesn't have much presence

but he sure wields a big bat

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by Emelie on Jul 20, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Canjun Connection going today....

by salparadise23 on Jul 20, 2008 3:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Any Astros fans want to change thier poll answer now?

by UTCUBS on Jul 20, 2008 3:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Great time to tune in

Pat & Ron are in 7th heaven.

"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI

by sweetswinger on Jul 20, 2008 3:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Ray Durham

Ignore if this is old news, but I just saw a ticker that said the Brewers have picked up Ray Durhamd from SF.

"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI

by sweetswinger on Jul 20, 2008 3:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs