Bartman Returns?
by bluekoolaide on Jul 23, 2008 4:23 PM CDT
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I just read on Yahoo that the organizers of the upcoming National Sports Collector's show in Rosemont have offered Steve Bartman a 25,000.00 payout if he shows up on the 31st at 1pm and signs ONE picture of himself "interfering" with Moises Alou. Now I don't want to start another argument about what he did or didn't do at the infamous game-those arguments have been done to death.
But one thing that's always impressed me about the guy is that he's always shunned any publicity and, presumably, opportunities to translate his "five minutes" into some quick cash. So here's hoping that he doesn't go along with this cynical pr stunt on the part of the show's organizers. I'd like to think I wouldn't go for the easy cash either but, then, it's easy for me to say that since I don't have somebody waving 25G under my nose.
Anyway, I'd be really interested in knowing what other Cub fans think about all of this? Will he turn down the money and continue to shun publicity? Would you? Here's hoping.
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He will turn it down.
Also, I have a very good feeling that Bartmann himself is a member of this board and that he will weigh and say he wont show up either.
Bartmann——Ive let it go and I never blamed you.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jul 23, 2008 4:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're right Hammer
It’ll renew my faith in human nature!
by bluekoolaide on Jul 23, 2008 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And for what it's worth, I've never blamed him either...
...but ask me how I feel about Alex Gonzalez.
by bluekoolaide on Jul 23, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed completely
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 23, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would've happened if...
Alou just turned around and went back to LF? I blame his hissy fit for that whole meltdown.
"Whoever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" - Frank Chance
by STLCubFan on Jul 23, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you feel about Alex Gonzalez?
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
by DTJchris on Jul 23, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hammer, you are correct.
I will not attend that event. Certainly not for a lousy $25K. I wouldn’t take a whiz on Moises Alou’s hands for $25K. And, from what I hear, he does that himself anyway.
Sincerely,
Steve “My Friends Call Me Daver” Bartman
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 23, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but you will take a ball from him lol
BANANAS BANANAS BANANAS!!!!!
by Zy Toro Young on Jul 23, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he does read here
I never blamed you either, its a shame that bunch of dumb people can make a guy fear for his life. But Alex, you sir should leave the country
by Kchance on Jul 23, 2008 4:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We can all say what we would have done in his shoes...
I am not afraid to say that I probably would have done the same thing. I have never blamed him for anything that happened to the cubs in that series. I actually argue with my non-cub fan friends when his name gets brought up. They always try to poke with that stick saying “I bet you hate that guy.” I always say “Nope, I am sure I would have done the same thing if I was in his shoes.” I just hope that the fun of that year returns this year and I can celebrate at the end of the NLCS this time.
by jajonez77 on Jul 23, 2008 4:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's a great way to approach those kinds of silly questions
I honestly don’t know what i would’ve done if I had been there but, in the heat of the moment, it’s entirely possible I would’ve done the same thing.
by bluekoolaide on Jul 23, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad I'm Not Him
Yeah, I would’ve done the same thing as Bartman. I hope the Cubs can at least get to the World Series, so Bartman won’t continue to feel terrible about what happened.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Jul 23, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Many people DID do the same thing
Bartman was just the poor schlub who actually touched the thing.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Jul 23, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a difference between a
schlemiel and a schlemozzel.
To anyone who knows the difference – which would you say Bartman is? You could make a good argument either way…
CRAFTY BEAVER!!!
by lostinthevines on Jul 23, 2008 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've always hated that
those fans threw beer and taunted him. I really felt absolutely terrible for the guy… then and now.
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Jul 23, 2008 5:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Guilty vs. Innocent
Alou – Guilty of overreacting and making an ass of himself
Gonzalez – Guilty of sucking in the clutch
Baker – Guilty of not bringing in a reliever
Many Cubs fans – Guilty of putting blame on an individual rather than sucking it up and accepting that their favorite team choked
Prior – Guilty on multiple charges, including lack of a spine
Cubs Brass – guilty of not actually acquiring a decent reliever for the stretch and postseason.
Steve Bartman – innocent of all charges.
In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this -Oysterband
by Ross on Jul 23, 2008 5:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Add Farnsworth to List of Guilty
Had Farnsworth done a good job of relieving, the Cubs would have only been down 4-3 going into the bottom of the 8th. The Cubs still would have had a chance of coming back. Instead, Farnsworth got lit up, and the Cubs were down 8-3 entering the last half of the 8th. The team was totally flat for the rest of that game.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Jul 23, 2008 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen...
I rocket Baker to the top of the list. A simple mound visit to calm Prior down might have done the trick.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Jul 23, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
I thought he could work his way out of it.
Next question.
CRAFTY BEAVER!!!
by lostinthevines on Jul 23, 2008 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets see how many fanposts we can start on the subject!!!
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jul 23, 2008 5:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
what's the over/under
there are currently 3
by tootle on Jul 23, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not any more.
I deleted two of them, and I’m mulling over deleting this one.
Not because it’s Bartman, although I never, ever, EVER am going to mention him in anything I write. To me, it’s ancient history.
I may delete this because I received a press release (rather anonymously headed “Bleed Cubbie Blue,” without even “Dear” in front of it from a company that’s in the sports collectible business. If this person had posted this himself, I’d have deleted it as spam.
Which it basically is.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 23, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its a publicity stunt by the company
knowing full well that Bartman won’t show up, but it gets their name into all sorts of press releases.
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
by DTJchris on Jul 23, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But still
I dont blame him, but still for 25k? Thats alot of money to a normal person just to sign one thing….
by WaterRooster on Jul 23, 2008 5:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
obligatroy
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 23, 2008 5:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i can think of
a few things i’d like to write on a photo for the people at the “national sports collectors” show.
by billywan on Jul 23, 2008 5:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Take the money, Bartman!
For what Cub Nation did to you, you deserve all that plus interest.
I hope he takes it, signs whatever, and sticks a giant middle finger at the city.
The treatment of Bartman is a dark and ugly part of Cubs history. And tell him to see if he can get a deal for Buckner and Denkinger while he’s at it.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Jul 23, 2008 5:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A big fat no.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jul 23, 2008 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not?
He should have done this years ago.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Jul 23, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is taking the high road
and he is smart to continue to do so. There are too many morons and idiots in the world
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jul 23, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And a bunch of them...
Made his life hell. Time to get some back.
Take the money, Bartman. Sign whatever they want you to sign. You owe the city nothing after what happened to you.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Jul 23, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But then he'd have a thousand photos of him on the Internet
He didn’t do anything and that’s how he is acting. Every sports memorabilia nerd will snap his picture, local news outlet, etc. etc. The guy wants to have his piece, let him have his piece.
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
by DTJchris on Jul 23, 2008 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
25,000 to get his name splashed all over the place again; and when the Cubs are in the playoff hunt. Lets give the morons another reason to blame him if the Cubs season ends poorly.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jul 23, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has spent enough time...
living in fear of what morons will do. Whatever idiotic reaction they have is on them, not him.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Jul 23, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK----forget it. I dont care becase it wont happen.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jul 23, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how dignified - NOT
Bartman is a man of deep integrity. Every one of your suggestions is a cynical sell out and a perpetuation of the ugliness that forced him out of his beloved Wrigley.
I truly hope that he will one day return in a moment that will be cathartic for him, for the Cubs, and for us.
What doesn't kill you makes you stranger -- The Joker
by Emelie on Jul 23, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, so you want him to come back
on YOUR terms. That’s crap.
He doesn’t owe anyone any cathartic moment. It wasn’t him that caused this to be some angst-ridden ordeal. If the Cubs showed any balls, he’s a footnote. If the media had an ounce of integrity, he’s a footnote. If the fans had any deceny, he’s forgotten.
But none of those things is true. And he paid the price.
Time for someone else to pay.
Take your money, Steve.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Jul 23, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
OK.
1. I didn’t say on my terms. Read it again. I said, “in a moment”
2. I didn’t say he “owed anyone a cathartic moment”
3. “Take your money, Steve” is insulting to him and everything he has stood for in his unwillingness to engage with any of the nonsense that has ensued. He’s a man of character by his actions, not his words. I admire him greatly.
What doesn't kill you makes you stranger -- The Joker
by Emelie on Jul 23, 2008 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's still kind of a weenie.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 23, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A man of character?
His freaking address was published by the newspaper. He was getting death threats.
It doesn’t mean you have character if you go into hiding. It means you have common sense.
Every Cub fan should be ashamed of how this guy was treated. $25,000 is the least this guy should get.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Jul 23, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
read my lips
it’s. not. about. money.
What doesn't kill you makes you stranger -- The Joker
by Emelie on Jul 23, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course not...
It wasn’t your life destroyed, so what do you care?
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Jul 23, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
She's just offering an opinion on a topic.
Why do you care so much that he gets the money? In my opinion, $25,000 isn’t nearly enough compensation for the media shitstorm that he would trigger by attending this event.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 24, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe DaBard
is really Bartman and he’s trying to justify his wanting to take the money.
Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.
by sue369 on Jul 24, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I was Bartman,
I wouldn’t justify a damn thing. I’d take the money so fast it would make Alou’s head spin.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Jul 24, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right because after getting death threats
you should re-glorify the situation by coming out of hiding to get money for it.
Ashamed of how he was treated? Every Cub fan? I feel bad for the guy am Im not ashamed because I didnt do anything.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jul 23, 2008 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's right...nobody did anything
And everyone feels bad.
If everyone who said they feel bad and didn’t do anything really didn’t, this guy wouldn’t have 10 percent of the problems he did.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Jul 23, 2008 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMFAO
Point stands. You said everyone and now you are shifting your opinion a bit.
Try not to use absoluts—-and then retract. Sounds like someone we all used to know.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jul 23, 2008 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love absolut
Great stuff.
Not shifting anything. Bartman would get death threats if he came back to throw out a first pitch. But no one ever says, “Yeah, I’d boo him.”
You do the math.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Jul 23, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you aren't worth the debate
What doesn't kill you makes you stranger -- The Joker
by Emelie on Jul 23, 2008 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The mating call of the out-debated...
“You aren’t worth the debate”
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Jul 23, 2008 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok---this time Im done.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jul 23, 2008 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's the point?
Seriously. That’s a week away. At the rate of posted fanpost’s around here, this will be off the main page in 45 minutes. Let’s discuss Bartman’s potential appearance on Wednesday or Thursday. Speculating on Bartman’s appearance a week away seems very silly to me.
My .02
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by joeschmitt on Jul 23, 2008 6:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I try to get away....but you keep pulling me back in.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 23, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i cant help it
i dont care what you guys think it really cracks me up
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by joeschmitt on Jul 23, 2008 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're like
Benny Mardones. :D
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
by drewishdrewid on Jul 23, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
showing my age?
had to look up the reference, now listening to into the night on myspace and i’ve NEVER heard it before . . .
the pink hat guy is my father
by joeschmitt on Jul 23, 2008 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steve, you're a good man ... a true Cubs fan ..
We all know you won’t be going there to those scum sucking media hypesters. It’s a bunch of idiots wanting publicity. You won’t give that to them.
How I wish this never happened to you, boss. You loved baseball – you coached little league. You loved our Cubs, our team. You high fived everyone around you when an out was made that night. You were one of us. You were us.
I remember watching the night that happened .. and how not only certain jackass idiots who call themselves “Cubs fans” made your life a living hell at the game, then the bottom feeders at Fox turned you into a pariah that night. I hate to say it but when I saw them replay it again, I looked at my wife and said “That poor guy’s life has changed forever.”
I would have done exactly the same thing. Several other people did. You just got to be the fingered one. I’m just sorry that we keep, as the saying goes, underestimating the power of stupid people in large groups. If you’re ever in E Tennessee, I’d like to shake your hand and buy you supper. Hope things are going well in your life and that you’ll once again be able to get into the “Friendly Confines” and be who you are .. a Cubs fan cheering on the Cubs as part of the collective Cubs Nation that, unfortunately, have too many loonies on the fringe who love to meat the press.
(thanks Steve Taylor)
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Jul 23, 2008 7:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
All that happened to him...
Which is why he should cash in now. He doesn’t owe anyone anything. Cubs fans turned on him and the media made him a villian.
Michael Wilbon, who I generally like, is a scumbag on this issue. He won’t let it go and for someone in his position, that stance is flat-out irresponsible.
He will never be forgiven, nor forgotten. The least he should do is cash in.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Jul 23, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the guy make $100K+ a year
and doesnt need the money. You are so uniformed its hilarious. Maybe he has a rich family. Maybe he has pride!
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jul 23, 2008 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm uniformed?
You had about 16 “maybes” in there.
$100,000 a year might seem like a lot to someone working at Wal-Mart, but someone making $100k a year could always use a quick $25,000.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Jul 23, 2008 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SOME bottom feeding idiots wearing Cubs paraphernalia did ..
Not all Cub fans did.
Reminds me of the moron I saw in Cincy at the park leaving the stadium last September wearing the dreaded pajama jersey with a “FBARTMAN” thing on his jersey. If he wasn’t already several hundred feet ahead of me, I’d have given him a piece of my mind.
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Jul 24, 2008 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sun-Times story
The poll has about 75 percent of the people telling him to take the money.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Jul 23, 2008 8:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, here be the link
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/1070512,bartman072308.article
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Jul 23, 2008 8:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You know, the guy Fox News shows...
every time the Cubs play.
He should have earned $25k in INTEREST from the royalties alone.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Jul 23, 2008 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully, one day....
I’d say the opener after the Cubs hopefully win a WS (who knows when.), I hope that every Cubs fan comes to a census to not blame Bartman for something most would have done and he can throw out the first pitch and sing take me out to the ball game.
by tigerhawk61 on Jul 24, 2008 12:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Alou doesn't jump up and down like an idiot
Nobody remembers Bartman.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 24, 2008 12:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if i were him, i would offer to sign it privately
and then donate it or the money to charity.
by nathew on Jul 24, 2008 12:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Now this is actually a somewhat reasonable response...
...to the offer. I’m still not sure it’s worth the risk of reopening this wound, but at least it would do some good.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 24, 2008 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come out of the cold, Steve!
Here’s my idea…first home game of the playoffs, the Cubs bring our boy Bartman out to throw the ceremonial first pitch. Let’s clear Steve of this ridiculousness, and laugh in the face of curses at the same time. Dempster can catch the first pitch…it would be perfect.
Demp and Rich: proof that people that live in igloos and say "eh" can contibute!
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Jul 24, 2008 9:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
FWIW...
... Bartman says no to this offer.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 24, 2008 11:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Case closed.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 24, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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