Peoria [Cubs] vs Dayton, 17 Ejections
Just saw the headline on ESPN.com [See Video]. Tempers flared tonight in a class A minor league game between the Peoria Cubs and the Cincinatti affiliate, Dayton Dragons.
During this event-filled half inning there were three hit batters, managers screaming in eachother's faces, players hurt, and a fan was injured.
Peoria Cubs pitcher Julio Castillo, in a completely uncalled for move, threw a baseball as hard as he could into Dayton's dugout. Too bad this kid has bad command because he airmailed Dayton's dugout and hit a fan who then had to be taken to the hospital
Being suspended or kicked out of the Cubs organization should be the least of Julio's worries because he faces criminal charges and most certainly a lawsuit.
This is just sad. What a way to represent your organizations, huh? So much for enjoying a nice summer evening of baseball.
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There apparently
had been some bad blood brewing between these teams for a while. That in no way, shape or form excuses what Castillo did, which is reprehensible. But there was a beanball war going on and Castillo (and the Dayton pitcher, who hit Nate Samson in the first) should have been ejected long before the fight broke out.
But I’d say Castillo has very little future in baseball right now. In fact, he likely doesn’t have much future in this country.
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whoa...
i just finished watching that video, and all i can say is good bye Julio Castillo and good luck finding a good lawyer.
I also think we’ve likely seen the last of Carmelo Martinez, who went way over the line by pushing the other manager.. that’s just not done.
and lastly, i wonder what the Dayton players said or did that made the umpires react the way they did. I know as well as everyone else just how profane professional baseball players are on the field… but this musta’ been a real doozy. not that that in anyway excuses what Castillo did.
who i really feel bad for, though, is the fan who got hit by that ball… he should at the very least get free season tickets to the real Cubs out of this.
Who I feel bad for......?
Ryne Sandberg. His team is a reflection of him. He’s going to have a very nice [NOT EVEN CLOSE] pep talk to his team and there will definitely be some in-house discipline.
I have a hard time imagining that this event happens with Ryne in the dugout. Sure, Ryne can have a fiery side sometimes but I say this doesn’t happen if he’s there.
DEROSA: How did it feel when you're sitting in Baton Rouge and it came across the ticker that Mark DeRosa had just signed to play second base with the Chicago Cubs.
THERIOT: In all honestly, when I saw it, I really felt like punching you right in the mouth and or breaking your leg.
The Fox station from Dayton...
... had some video of this on its front page at 3 am on Friday… if you see this link later in the day, you may have to check through the links for it, there was no direct link to it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Isn't it strange....
that during Carmelo Martinez playing days with the Cubs, his nickname was “Mellow”. Far from it last night.
Jim Hendry has much more pressing issues to deal with at this time with the trading deadline approaching . But he will have to deal with the aftermath of this mess to clean up also. So much for getting some relief help or a RH bat off the bench.
Even the minor league affiliates have "Cubbie Occurences"
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
As an FYI
Unfortunately there is precedent (I believe it was an Orioles pitcher) for holding the team liable when a pitcher throws a ball in the stands – intentionally – and it hurts a fan. I’m assuming Castillo has no money, so it’s likely that if the hurt fan sues, he/she will sue the Chiefs and the Cubs.
What the hell is going on with Ryno?
Has he lost control? Maybe. Heard he’s doing his best Bobby Cox impersonation by getting tossed several times in his year+ in Peo.
If there’s been bad blood between these teams in the past, it’d be interesting to see what the umpires did/said before the game started. Seems perhaps they didn’t start tossing players soon enough. Not that it would have stopped things but if the umps say to the coaches/managers before a pitch is ever thrown (when they’re exchaning line up cards), “keep it clean boys or I’ll toss you immediately”, maybe this would not have happened.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
More on this ESPN right now
Ryno was NOT there last night, or for the whole series. He’s away from the team now. Buster (Robert Standsbury) Olney going through this right now with Greenie.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
Still his guys
And his hand-picked interim manager.
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No, he is supposed to hire better people
What he does now will reflect very much on him.
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Well, OK, granted, the interim manager...
...should have pulled Castillo from the game long before things got as bad as they did. But these things have a way of escalating very quickly and unexpectedly. I can’t imagine anyone could have predicted Castillo would do what he did.
I can see how Sandberg is somehow tangentially responsible here, but I still don’t think there’s much he could have done – from a distance – to prevent the brawl from getting so far out of hand. Obviously, the organization needs to step back and re-evaluate how it deals with on-field rivalries like this.
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You can see in one of the videos....
The look of shock on Carmelo Martinez’s face after Castillo threw into the crowd. There is no way that anyone expected that.
Obviously the situation should have been dealt with after Castillo hit the Dayton player in the head, but I agree that this thing got really ugly really fast. To pin this on Sandberg is beyond absurd…
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
Yeah, and after reading...
...Josh77’s Minor League Wrap, I now realize that this all happened in the first inning. Castillo lasted only two-thirds of that inning before the brawl broke out and he was ejected and arrested. I assumed this whole dispute brewed for a while before it exploded. That wasn’t the case – the fight broke out very, very early in the game.
I’m really not sure what more the interim manager could have done to contain the situation besides perhaps exercising a little more self-control himself. And the only way you could really blame Ryno for anything here is if he had some prior knowledge to a potentially violent rivalry between these two teams.
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I think how a team behaves in general
is a reflection of the manager.
Do I think he gets dragged down with this? Absolutely not. But I do think the bullseye is on the Chiefs now.
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I will grant you that point...it doesn't reflect well on Sandberg...
...but based on Sandberg’s HOF speech (playing the game with respect), I am confident that he is feeling worse about this than anyone else.
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
This game was completely out of control before the fight.
The Dragons pitcher hit Nate Samson in the top of the first. The Chiefs were angry about this (it was the fourth Chief batter hit in three games) and I’m sure they thought it was intentional. Castillo then beaned a Dragon hitter in the bottom of the inning who had to be taken to the hospital. Then he hit second batter. He also collided with Chief second baseman Gian Gonzalez trying to make a play and Gonzalez broke his leg. (That obviously was an accident, but I’m trying to recreate what Castillo is thinking about.) Then a Dragon baserunner took out Samson at second base with what the Chiefs thought was a dirty play. That’s when the argument between the managers broke out—and the rest is history.
The minor-league umps were way out of their league here. There should have been multiple ejections before the fight started, and then there wouldn’t have been a fight. Not that I’m blaming the umpires, but I am saying that this place was a powder keg and if there is a player that is already a little unstable, the fuse can be lit.
The minor league managers were also out of their league. They should have seen something like this developing and headed it off. I actually think Martinez did see it and that’s why he was arguing. What he didn’t see was Castillo was in a very bad place at that moment and should have been removed from the situation.
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by Josh Timmers on Jul 25, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Just to clarify...
The collision resulting in the broken leg was between two Chiefs (Castillo and Gonzalez), right? Dragons had nothing to do with it, other than of course, hitting the ball into play.
When I first read reports of the story, they made it sound like this occurred on the basepaths and it was a Dragon who got his leg broke, thus adding to the tension.
Obviously it was an unfortunate accident, but I don’t see how it contributed to the pre-melee tension. I mean, I’m sure Castillo didn’t try to break his teammate’s leg, but frankly, based on what I’m hearing about Castillo’s attitude, I don’t think he was that distraught over it that it influenced his following actions.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Yes
The injury was between two Chief players. The Dragons had nothing to do with it.
I wouldn’t be so sure what was going on in Castillo’s head, other than it wasn’t good. I think it is completely possible that the injury added to the bad place he was in.
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by Josh Timmers on Jul 25, 2008 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
It's been said before...
but Castillo has to be done with baseball, at least with the Cubs. There are a number of reasons: he seems like a bad person, he could have killed someone, he’s just a crazy ass. Pick one and release him, and hope MLB bans him. But the Cubs should be out in front.
The crew chief/HP umpire should be suspended for a LOOOONG time as well. No way Castillo should be in the game after 2 bean balls, a retaliation slide, and another up and in pitch. I realize the brou-ha-ha started right after the last up and in, but Castillo should have been snug in the Dayton Days’ Inn by then.
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
By the way...
Did the Peoria guy get his leg broken on the retaliation slide or in the brawl?
"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman
Castillo
and Gian Guzman (the guy who got his leg broken)were going for the ball at the same time and Castillo slid into him.
Wendyzman
wait.....Castillo broke a Peoria player's leg?!?!?!??!
the broken leg portion of the story on ESPN was never fully explained, was this a malicious thing or just an accident that happened in this terrible inning? I can’t believe Castillo was still in the game at that point after repeatedly throwing at heads.
by Canseco's Roid Party on Jul 25, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
it wasn't malicious
Castillo was going for the ball and Guzman came in at the same time and Castillo rolled into him and took out Guzman’s leg. The throwing at the batter’s head was malicious.
Wendyzman
It was an accident
but I’m sure it contributed to his mindset at that point.
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by Josh Timmers on Jul 25, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I keep hearing on talk radio today
This guy should never see the major leagues.
Folks, I got news for you. He wasn’t much of a prospect. His odds of making the majors just went from 1% to zero. He might have been done with baseball even if he hadn’t thrown the ball at someone.
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by Josh Timmers on Jul 25, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Here is the link from the Trib which has the video....
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-080724-peoria-chiefs-brawl-chicago-cubs,0,1128249.story
"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08
Don't assume he'll be cut
Remember, the Cubs took a chance on that Christensen kid who threw at someone in the on-deck circle, nearly blinding him.
And the team kept the Korean bird-killer for a while too.
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Awful, just awful
You have to release this guy before noon today.
The video makes me sick. I cannot believe this is a Cubs minor league player.
Inexcusable.
Further, the timing can't be worse
with the Chiefs in Chicago this week at Wrigley.
As for DaBard’s comment on keeping him above, the difference is that Christensen made the throw in college while obeying his coach, Castillo’s throw occurred on the Cub’s watch.
PC load letter!?!? - What the f*** does that mean!?!?!
His coach told him to brush the guy back
Not to bean him.
And who ordered Ryu to kill the bird?
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Christensen's coach advised
his players to throw at/around guys in the batters box in warm ups if it appeared they were timing the pitches. It’s only a brush back if the guy is in the box. My point is that the act was on someone elses watch.
As for Ryu, while a despicable act, it is a bird. Castillo injured an innocent fan.
Neither of these acts are comparable to what Castillo did. I’m not predicting the Cubs keep or release him, just saying these two other acts cited aren’t related.
PC load letter!?!? - What the f*** does that mean!?!?!
And I'm saying...
the Cubs have a history here.
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You honestly believe
these two prior events will have any bearing on the organization decision? A fan was hurt. How hurt will determine the direction of events.
Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.
No, what will determine the direction of events...
is how good the Cubs think Castillo will be someday.
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Exactly,
but that’s not what you were saying.
Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.
No, how hurt the fan is
Will mean NOTHING to the Cubs if they think the Castillo is a keeper.
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crap. Posted before I finished
I completely disagree and believe the two events that will determine events is how hurt the fan is and the legal ramifications and whether Castillo is MLB talent. If he’s off to jail, his talent level is irrelevant as the Cubs may release him to protect their own liability.
Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.
He's not going to jail for 20 years
If the Cubs think he can pitch and someday contribute to the big club, he’ll be back after “getting counseling” or something.
If not, then he is gone.
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Doubt it.
He’s going to be gone NOW. This type of action cannot and will not stand.
He won’t go to jail, either. Most likely, he’ll simply be deported.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
That sounds pretty...
But the best ones get apologized for.
I have no clue who this guy is. My guess is that he gets cut.
But it will only be because he’s not a special enough player.
My innocence went away when Christensen got drafted.
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Christensen should never have been drafted.
But that was a different management team in this organization. Under current management he’d never have even been taken.
This kid will get cut. Guaranteed.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Yes
He isn’t much of a prospect. Those guys never get second chances.
He’s gone and he’ll be deported. I doubt he’ll see jail time.
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by Josh Timmers on Jul 25, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I would be shocked...
...if the Cubs made any moves to retain him as a player. I’m no expert on their minor league system, but I don’t believe he was that highly valued of a prospect. He’d have to be virtually a guaranteed ace-level starter for them to even begin to consider some way around this mess. He should be deported, and the Cubs should wash their hands of him permanently.
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Christiansen...
hit the guy in the on-deck circle. He was nowhere near the box.
You wanna nail a guy? Fine…Wait til he’s in the box, the ump has said, “play ball”, take your catchers sign and drill him with a 4-seamer in the thigh or ribs; nothing above the shoulder or behind him.
That’s exactly what Prior did to Bonds a few years ago in SF, only 2 days after Woody hit him twice; albiet with off-speed stuff IIRC.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
typed batters box
was thinking on deck circle.
Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.
He threw at the guy in the on-deck circle
He didn’t even see the pitch coming. He was a scumbag then and he’s probably a scumbag now. And the Cubs made him the 26th pick in the draft.
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They overturned the suspensions...
So the teams wouldn’t have pitchers playing in the outfield.
Guess no one thought to suspend the game…
“Just roll that guy who was hit with the ball out of here… we need to finish the game!”
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video
here is more video from the morning broadcast which also shows Castillo mug shot. http://www.whiotv.com/video/16986052/index.html
from what I gather castillo is still in Montgomery county jail. I live here in Dayton and I my mom and dad went to the game the night before and they don’t remember there being a whole lot of tension between the 2 teams.
Wendyzman
Thanks - this has some interesting additional footage...
...not shown in the other clips.
Wow, this is some ugly stuff. I agree that Castillo should be cut immediately and left to fend for himself in the legal system. What he did was just far, far beyond the pale.
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Question
If this happened earlier, or has it happened earlie enough to have the Cubs ask another minor league afiliate to play at Wrigley this Tuesday? This is a pretty big black eye for the team, then all of a sudden, they’re playing at the big ballpark? That’s not gonna’ look good…
Moose
Hubbs!
I'd like it
If any of the players involved in the fight were suspended and therefore miss an opportunity to play at Wrigley this week. Over 30k seats are sold for the game and it will be (would have been) a once in a lifetime opportunity for most of these guys.
Chiefs Vs. Kane County Only Option
The Cubs other minor league affiliates don’t play against any teams in the Chicagoland area. Of course, the Kane County Cougars don’t have very far to travel to get to Wrigley.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
No
The Chiefs are playing at Wrigley.
Other than Castillo’s actions, this was a pretty standard baseball fight. I don’t see why the entire Chiefs organization should be punished for Castillo’s actions. They didn’t pick him as a teammate.
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by Josh Timmers on Jul 25, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Some additional info on Castillo
I talked to My friend who is an trainer-intern with the team about this today. He wasn’t at the game because it was at Dayton but he did say that he wasn’t surprised. Apparently Castillo’s nickname is “The Animal” and the story (whether or not it’s true, he said he didn’t know) is that the Cubs scouts originally found Castillo throwing rocks at a Coconut tree to get coconuts to fall to the ground.
"Look at it this way: If you're a Cubs fan, the Greatest Day of Your Life is yet to come." ~ Cubs Forever
Do you have something to back this up:?
... a source? It’s an interesting story, that’s why I’m asking.
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apparently this is what the story is around the clubhouse/team…like I said I know somebody working with the team and this is what he said. and again he wasn’t completely sure if it was a legit story.
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by IvyOnTheWall on Jul 28, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
He better like coconuts
...as I see a lot of them at his table in the future.
And how blind-with-rage must a pitcher be to miss a dugout with a throw?
I can’t see the video here at work, but I’ll check it out tonight. How bad was the fan’s injury? In any case, I hope he or she bounces back very quickly. What a horrible thing to happen to anyone.
Dave
by Dave in the basement on Jul 25, 2008 1:02 PM CDT reply actions
Dayton daily news
says that the fan was treated then released.
Wendyzman
If the game goes down ..
.. if the Cubs don’t call it off out of shame, I’m certain Ryne will be there with a firm hand there.
But frankly, he set a tone with the suspension earlier this season for the same thing .. and the pugnacity of the players, along with minor league delusions of invulnerability, was primed to blow.
Of course, with advance ticket sales of 30,000, the collective Cubs conscience can be well anesthetized.
Castillo is an animal. He should never be allowed back in a Cubs farm team uni and probably won’t be .. unless he starts pitching like a young Luis Tiant. The Welcome Wagon does run in the Dominican Republic.
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
The game
will not be called off.
There have been many, many incidents similar to this in baseball history. Maybe not in the past 20 years or so, but many before then. No game was ever called off out of “shame.”
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by Josh Timmers on Jul 25, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
How about because too many people got ejected?
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If there are many suspensions
then you’ll most likely see some ‘youngsters’ from Arizona on Peoria’s roster.
DEROSA: How did it feel when you're sitting in Baton Rouge and it came across the ticker that Mark DeRosa had just signed to play second base with the Chicago Cubs.
THERIOT: In all honestly, when I saw it, I really felt like punching you right in the mouth and or breaking your leg.
If there are suspensions...
... and there likely will be, I imagine they’ll start on July 30.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
well actually...
if you followed the story….i believe 17 people were ejected and some of them were re-instated back into the game after the GM’s of the parent club were contacted….you know take this as one of those FWIW
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
I was thinking the same thing....
They’ll play it.
This incident should have no impact on the Road To Wrigley game being played.
DEROSA: How did it feel when you're sitting in Baton Rouge and it came across the ticker that Mark DeRosa had just signed to play second base with the Chicago Cubs.
THERIOT: In all honestly, when I saw it, I really felt like punching you right in the mouth and or breaking your leg.
I just won't watch it if it's played...
... it should be canceled.
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