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The Positive Thinking Recap: Cubs 2, Marlins 3

Because wallowing in the detritus of today's 3-2 Cub loss to the Marlins would probably make us feel a lot worse than we already do, I'm going to try to put a positive spin on events, and give you some good news (before discussing the things that brought us to yet another loss to Florida, the 19th in the 31 games between the two teams since the 2003 NLCS).

First, rumor heard today: Kerry Wood may throw an inning in a rehab assignment for Peoria at Wrigley Field on Tuesday (there! if you haven't jumped on the bandwagon to see that game, there's a reason to -- and here I'll use this space to make a shameless plug for the two field box seats I have available, section 110, row 2, price $15 each. Email me using the link on the left sidebar if you want 'em).

Second, Rich Harden threw five outstanding innings again today, allowing only two hits and again, the only run he allowed was on a solo HR. His ten strikeouts give him that many or more in all three of his Cub starts. Now, here's where we begin to discuss the problems: if Harden is to have value to this team, he's going to have to start going deeper into games. In the postgame press conference, Harden said he had been limited today because of the number of pitches he threw in his last outing. But 87 pitches? If you're going to get only five or six innings out of Harden, the bullpen is going to be overtaxed.

Which is why it was gratifying to see Sean Marshall come out of the pen and throw three good innings. Unfortunately, the only hit Marshall allowed was Jeremy Hermida's second HR of the game, which, as the first one off Harden did, tied the game. Marshall also singled and is now 3-for-6 at the plate this year. But he was erased on a double play ball.

Next... well, there is no next. The Cubs couldn't do anything with six Marlins pitchers; the only runs scored on a RBI single by Aramis Ramirez in the first inning and A-Ram's 18th HR of the year in the third. After that, for the next nine innings the Cubs had only three singles, including Marshall's. You can't win this way -- the pitching staff has been very, very good the last three days, giving the Marlins three runs each day. A good team should win with that sort of output from its pitching staff. Now, I think the Cubs are a good team, that happens to be in a hitting slump at the worst possible time. Ramirez seemed to be coming out of it today, but he went out meekly his last three times up. Derrek Lee hit a loud double in the first, but nothing after that. Ryan Theriot was 0-for-5, and so was Alfonso Soriano. Kosuke Fukudome singled twice and walked, which is great, but with a chance to get on base for Daryle Ward (who would have batted for Chad Gaudin), he struck out to end the game. The two teams combined for 31 strikeouts today on one of the nicest weather days of the year, with the wind blowing in (that held Dan Uggla's 10th-inning fly ball in the park, as it turned out simply prolonging the agony). Before the game Dominic DiAngi, the 8-year-old (today being his birthday) who was injured by a foul ball off the bat of Ted Lilly, was invited back to throw out a ceremonial first pitch to Lilly. Lilly stood in front of the plate, but DiAngi's father waved him back behind the plate, at which time the kid threw the ball over Lilly's head. Ted caught it to a loud ovation.

Note: replays showed Mark DeRosa was indeed out at first base (and probably would have been safe had he just run through the play instead of sliding) on the 9th-inning play in which 1B coach Matt Sinatro (who almost never argues) and Lou were both tossed by umpire Rob Drake, a vacation-replacement guy who seems to take pleasure and pride in doing things that will get him on SportsCenter (this crew was at the Cell last week and Drake tossed Ozzie Guillen during that series). Drake had to move to first base when crew chief Gerry Davis was injured in the 2nd inning on a ball that wasn't handled by Marlins catcher John Baker, and Bruce Dreckman moved behind the place.

The bullpen was pretty good today, apart from Marshall allowing the HR to Hermida and Gaudin giving up the winning run in the 12th inning -- on a rally started on a two-out double by Hermida that just landed fair down the left field line. This after one more positive -- Reed Johnson throwing out pinch-hitter Robert Andino at 2B trying to stretch a single into a double. And Scott Eyre still warms up, dutifully, every day, and never gets used by Lou. Question: if Lou's not going to use Eyre, why is he on the team?

One thing that might make you feel better is to look at the "Best Starts By Cub Teams Since 1900" box that I update after every game. Despite going 3-6 since the All-Star break, this team is keeping pace with those other teams (of course, far behind teams like the 1906 and 1907 teams that ran away with the NL pennant). They currently sport precisely the same record that the 1984 team did after 104 games -- 60-44 (in fact, after the 104th game in 1984 -- oddly, a 12-inning loss, 2-1 to the Phillies, the '84 Cubs were 2nd, 1/2 game out of first place). That team got hot in early August and won 96 games. I'm not saying this Cub team will do that, but it's far too early to panic.

Also, I know it doesn't matter. Iknowitdoesn'tmatterBUT -- the W/L record by TV channel is getting a bit ridiculous. For those of you outside of Chicago who only see the Cubs on WGN, not on CSN, you're probably wondering when they ever win. They're now 19-22 on WGN, 34-16 on CSN. (Tomorrow's game is on CSN.)

And so, Jason Marquis needs to eat up some innings tomorrow -- he's actually pretty good at that, having gone at least seven in four of his last six starts -- and more importantly, these guys have to score some runs.

Till then, GO ASTROS GO.

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Nobody cares about your fantasy league team

by carmen_fanzone on Jul 26, 2008 5:10 PM CDT   0 recs

Yep, but I was writing a bit longer post, so I'll give it to you...

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Jul 26, 2008 5:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm writing War and Peace

by hand, on post-it notes

What doesn't kill you makes you stranger -- The Joker

by Emelie on Jul 26, 2008 5:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That must really hurt your hand....

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Jul 26, 2008 5:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

Okay, you can have my first then.

Nobody cares about your fantasy league team

by carmen_fanzone on Jul 26, 2008 5:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

oh no no no

I would never abscond with a legitimately attained first! :D

What doesn't kill you makes you stranger -- The Joker

by Emelie on Jul 26, 2008 5:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You sure?

Otherwise I’m putting it up on my mantle above the fireplace right now!

(how was the game thread today?)

Nobody cares about your fantasy league team

by carmen_fanzone on Jul 26, 2008 5:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

See below....

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Jul 26, 2008 5:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

thread was good up to a point

then a new troll came in. We’ve reported him to Al and expect action soon.

What doesn't kill you makes you stranger -- The Joker

by Emelie on Jul 26, 2008 5:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

oh boy...

....guess it was a good idea for me to stay out of them y’day and today. Just too brutal for me anymore when we’re losing.

Nobody cares about your fantasy league team

by carmen_fanzone on Jul 26, 2008 5:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah, not gonna names names but...

you can go check it out yourself if you want, but any real cubs fan wouldn’t waste 40 seconds of their life on that guy… ;-)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 26, 2008 5:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Figures...

I’ve given “he who shall go unnamed” about 100 flags.

Nobody cares about your fantasy league team

by carmen_fanzone on Jul 26, 2008 5:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I told ya so

Last week everybody was overlooking these guys and looking to the Brewers series.
This is a real good young team that would beat the Brewers in a 7 game series

by nimblenikelfoos on Jul 26, 2008 5:11 PM CDT   0 recs

I don't know about taking the Marlins lightly

Hell Cubs lost 11 in a row to this team. I know personally this series was going to be tough. And I can bet my life the players did not take this team lightly, and that is all that matters.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Jul 26, 2008 5:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Marlins give me the heebie jeebies

What doesn't kill you makes you stranger -- The Joker

by Emelie on Jul 26, 2008 5:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think anybody was taking the Marlins lightly

Winning three of four would have been nice, but a 2-2 split is realistic and, at this point, essential.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 26, 2008 5:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I swear the Marlins save their best games for when they play the Cubs....

They are ranked 14th in ERA (4.57) in the NL according to MLB.com. They are LAST in the NL in fielding percentage (.978) with a whopping 85 errors.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jul 26, 2008 5:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Part of all the errors...

Is that they are quick and cover a lot of ground….so a many a hits the cub pitchers give up….are errors b/c the Marrlin’s fielders cover ground and get to a lot…

That said…it just makes it that much more diistrubing that the Cubs can’t hit the 14th best pitching staff in the NL

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Jul 26, 2008 6:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

indeed

tomorrow isn’t “must win” in any critical sense other than we need to snap the losing streak.

’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2008 6:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I dont care if Im not first, I dont understand that blog phenomenon

I was a little perplexed as to why Harden was pulled after only 87 pitches, but theyre being careful given his history, so Im ok with that- hes been healthy all year except after returning from Japan…so whatever it takes to maintain that Im fine, and hopefully it wont be an issue next year.

The offense is a complete mess lately, so to blame Harden or Marshall isnt really fair, they did their jobs in spades.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jul 26, 2008 5:13 PM CDT   0 recs

I'm not blaming either of those pitchers, as I said.

If this team had any decent offense, they’d have won BOTH yesterday and today.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 26, 2008 5:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If they had a consistent offense...like the first 95 games...

They’d likelly be 6-3 or 7-2 since ASG

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Jul 26, 2008 5:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

amen to that!

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 26, 2008 6:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Right, but...

To suggest that Harden didnt do his job b/c he only went five innings isnt really fair, b/c it wasnt his decision, its not as if he asked to be removed.

I personally am amazed at what he can do and living on the east coast, I dont know that I ever even saw him throw before….so Im absolutely giddy with his performance and want him around for as many years as possible, so if lifting him in the 5th is what it takes to build up his strength for the future, then so be it. But I do agree that the offense has really let him, and all the starters for the past month or so, down.

But what can you do? Soriano should get in the groove soon and hopefully ramirez and Lee can get sufficient rest to maintain their production….they were just a Jeremy Hermida away from winning.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jul 27, 2008 1:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That ump

Is there any where they keep records for how many players/managers/coaches each individual ump has tossed? This guy is very quick to the trigger. Granted, Sinatro threw his helmet, and it looked like Lou said the “magic word”, but the ump yelled something at Sinatro after he was tossed and was walking away that REALLY pissed off Sinatro.

Please tell me he’s not behind the plate tomorrow with Marquis pitching.

Nobody cares about your fantasy league team

by carmen_fanzone on Jul 26, 2008 5:17 PM CDT   0 recs

If he was the 1st base ump today...

then yeah he should be the plate ump tomorrow… I think most crews rotate clockwise throughout a series.

by MillsChC on Jul 26, 2008 5:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, I dont' think he started the game at 1st...

....he moved there after the HP ump was injured, so maybe we catch a break.

Nobody cares about your fantasy league team

by carmen_fanzone on Jul 26, 2008 5:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Does anyone know if ump is OK?

He looked so out of it, it was scary…

What doesn't kill you makes you stranger -- The Joker

by Emelie on Jul 26, 2008 5:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

he was the 2b ump

and moved to 1st when the plate ump went out.

’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2008 6:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Rob Drake started today's game as the 1B umpire

Drake stayed at 1B since he is scheduled to be behind the plate Sunday.

Bruce Dreckman, who was the 2B umpire, took over for Gerry Davis, who got hit in the mask with the pitch. Davis, the crew chief, was taken to a local hospital to be examined and did return to Wrigley Field during the game. He underwent a CAT scan, which came back negative, but still was feeling dizzy after the game has finished.

Davis will miss Sunday’s game and could also be sidelined into next week.

Dreckman took over so that no umpire would be behind the plate two games in a row. He was the HP umpire Thursday. Brian Gorman was behind the plate yesterday (Friday), so he could not go behind the plate and Drake is scheduled to be there Sunday.

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Jul 26, 2008 8:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

crud.

That’s just very unhappy making.

’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2008 8:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

crap

Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.

by sue369 on Jul 26, 2008 9:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think we should challenge him

let the cubs not give this guy ANY slack. meh.

’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2008 9:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What makes me happy...

It looks like Carlos Marmol is getting filthy again

Dome seems to be hitting marginally better

Reed Johnson rocks my world

Harden’s got the Ks (count ‘em) ... but he needs to learn efficiency

Knowing that Drake is a complete Douche

AND…

That despite the last couple of games, we got “too much good stuff” not to make it through to the promised land

What doesn't kill you makes you stranger -- The Joker

by Emelie on Jul 26, 2008 5:18 PM CDT   0 recs

Yeah that Reed

makes me one happy girl. I’m so glad he’s on our team.

Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.

by sue369 on Jul 26, 2008 6:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Drake the ump was terrible.

and I still think DeRosa was safe. I don’t think the WGN replays are conclusive.

’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2008 5:20 PM CDT   0 recs

but the point is you don't slide into first.

if DeRo runs through that play, he is easily safe and the Drake is a non-factor. DeRo should know better.

In close games we need to not waste chances. Who knows if he would have scored, but we lost out on having him on base.

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 26, 2008 6:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

True.

Drake will be the 1B umpire tomorrow, if they keep their rotation—and that depends on whether Davis is OK. They may have to call up another replacement guy.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 26, 2008 6:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I believe Drake will be behind the plate Sunday.

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Jul 26, 2008 8:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and Davis will not be umpiring Sunday.

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Jul 26, 2008 8:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Which means they have to fly a replacement guy in...

... since they won’t want to have only three umpires for Sunday’s game.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 27, 2008 4:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think

DeRo thought there was going to be a tag, maybe.

’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2008 7:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This is not unreasonable

The only reason I am cutting DeRo any slack on that play is that Ramirez had to make a really long throw from the hole, and he might have snuck a look over and thought that the throw was going to be wide.

Still, sliding into first drives me crazy. I’ve seen too many people injured (at the college level) for no benefit.

In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this -Oysterband

by Ross on Jul 26, 2008 8:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Harden

agreed 87 pitches seems low but I think forward thinking probably played a part in this too. He’s schedule to pitch the last game of the Brewers series on Thursday, which is on normal rest (for most pitchers) but supposedly Harden is going to be getting that sixth day every now and then. Since this is one of the times he won’t get that sixth day, Lou might have had a shorter hook for him today, to keep him ready for Thursday.

Also, while it would be nice if he did go longer into games, I will be ecstatic if I can get 5 innings of one run ball every 5th (or 6th) day, especially given the rest of the rotation (Z, Dempster and yes, even Liliy). Now if he starts mixing in 5 innings of average ball every few starts, agreed – that would be detrimental.

But if he’s on auto-pilot for 5 great innings every time, I would take that in a heartbeat and make the appropriate adjustments for the rest of the staff.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 26, 2008 5:20 PM CDT   0 recs

Yes, Harden was acquired for one reason...October.

Need to keep him healthy, and the Brewers within striking distance.

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Jul 26, 2008 5:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thats terrible *planning*....

You have to earn a playoff spot before Octobeer matters…....it’s all for naught if the Cubs don’t get back to scoring runs on a torrid pace like in May and June…

The Cubs are 9/10 (w/ the Phillies) in runs in July.

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Jul 26, 2008 5:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks for the recap and the perspective, Al...

I haven’t been here that long, but the game threads IMO are getting out of hand…excessive profanity, baiting and generally rude language by some posters needs to be reigned in. Someone even posted a purported name and address of one of the worst offenders (not really a smart move).

I’m uncertain how you can go about that, but I can tell that there are several others (particularly the ladies of the board) that are getting frustrated with the lack of class exhibited.

It appears to me some of us need to do a bit more thinking before typing…maybe this is all wishful thinking on my part.

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Jul 26, 2008 5:22 PM CDT   0 recs

Just so everyone knows...

... the issues raised to me in email and by the flags posted (that I can see as the moderator) about a couple of individuals in particular, have been taken care of.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 26, 2008 5:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I kiss your feet

What doesn't kill you makes you stranger -- The Joker

by Emelie on Jul 26, 2008 5:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thank you sir...

...I really like this place and hope we can keep the discussions civil…

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Jul 26, 2008 5:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Is there any way to have it that certain posters are automatically ignored

I never want to see a post by person ABC is there a way to do that?

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 26, 2008 5:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It would be great if

when a poster receives X number of individual flags s/he gets booted

What doesn't kill you makes you stranger -- The Joker

by Emelie on Jul 26, 2008 5:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

Nobody cares about your fantasy league team

by carmen_fanzone on Jul 26, 2008 5:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No, it wouldn't.

Then people would simply gang up and try kick out someone because they didn’t like what they said.

Censorship is un-American.

Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Jul 26, 2008 5:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

oh please

What doesn't kill you makes you stranger -- The Joker

by Emelie on Jul 26, 2008 5:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh please what?

I’ve seen how some of you softies react.

Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Jul 26, 2008 5:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm all for freedom of expression

but I’m also all for collective condemnation. When extremists come in with the express desire to stir up trouble by antagonizing the community then we have the right to ostracize. It’s not one decision, it’s the decision of many.

What doesn't kill you makes you stranger -- The Joker

by Emelie on Jul 26, 2008 5:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hear hear...

Well said!

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jul 26, 2008 11:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

"Softies"?

What does THAT mean? Explain.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 26, 2008 6:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think he means

anyone who doesn’t go balistic after a loss.

Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.

by sue369 on Jul 26, 2008 7:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I see.

Well, that’s not the way I want the tone of this site to be.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 26, 2008 7:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh I know and

try and get that point across to the negative Neds but they don’t want to hear it.

Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.

by sue369 on Jul 26, 2008 7:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ignore 'em if you can.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 26, 2008 7:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll try.

Sometimmes it’s not easy tho.

Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.

by sue369 on Jul 26, 2008 7:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

well in the same way it's not easy for some to not go ballistic..

You either ignore them like Al said or don’t bother reading game threads

by cubsnlinux on Jul 26, 2008 7:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Like I said

I’ll try. It’s kind of hard not to read the threads when I participate in them.

Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.

by sue369 on Jul 26, 2008 9:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

can't you see the corollary??

That’s what the rest are going to say …that they are “participating” too..

by cubsnlinux on