The Positive Thinking Recap: Cubs 2, Marlins 3
Because wallowing in the detritus of today's 3-2 Cub loss to the Marlins would probably make us feel a lot worse than we already do, I'm going to try to put a positive spin on events, and give you some good news (before discussing the things that brought us to yet another loss to Florida, the 19th in the 31 games between the two teams since the 2003 NLCS).
First, rumor heard today: Kerry Wood may throw an inning in a rehab assignment for Peoria at Wrigley Field on Tuesday (there! if you haven't jumped on the bandwagon to see that game, there's a reason to -- and here I'll use this space to make a shameless plug for the two field box seats I have available, section 110, row 2, price $15 each. Email me using the link on the left sidebar if you want 'em).
Second, Rich Harden threw five outstanding innings again today, allowing only two hits and again, the only run he allowed was on a solo HR. His ten strikeouts give him that many or more in all three of his Cub starts. Now, here's where we begin to discuss the problems: if Harden is to have value to this team, he's going to have to start going deeper into games. In the postgame press conference, Harden said he had been limited today because of the number of pitches he threw in his last outing. But 87 pitches? If you're going to get only five or six innings out of Harden, the bullpen is going to be overtaxed.
Which is why it was gratifying to see Sean Marshall come out of the pen and throw three good innings. Unfortunately, the only hit Marshall allowed was Jeremy Hermida's second HR of the game, which, as the first one off Harden did, tied the game. Marshall also singled and is now 3-for-6 at the plate this year. But he was erased on a double play ball.
Next... well, there is no next. The Cubs couldn't do anything with six Marlins pitchers; the only runs scored on a RBI single by Aramis Ramirez in the first inning and A-Ram's 18th HR of the year in the third. After that, for the next nine innings the Cubs had only three singles, including Marshall's. You can't win this way -- the pitching staff has been very, very good the last three days, giving the Marlins three runs each day. A good team should win with that sort of output from its pitching staff. Now, I think the Cubs are a good team, that happens to be in a hitting slump at the worst possible time. Ramirez seemed to be coming out of it today, but he went out meekly his last three times up. Derrek Lee hit a loud double in the first, but nothing after that. Ryan Theriot was 0-for-5, and so was Alfonso Soriano. Kosuke Fukudome singled twice and walked, which is great, but with a chance to get on base for Daryle Ward (who would have batted for Chad Gaudin), he struck out to end the game. The two teams combined for 31 strikeouts today on one of the nicest weather days of the year, with the wind blowing in (that held Dan Uggla's 10th-inning fly ball in the park, as it turned out simply prolonging the agony). Before the game Dominic DiAngi, the 8-year-old (today being his birthday) who was injured by a foul ball off the bat of Ted Lilly, was invited back to throw out a ceremonial first pitch to Lilly. Lilly stood in front of the plate, but DiAngi's father waved him back behind the plate, at which time the kid threw the ball over Lilly's head. Ted caught it to a loud ovation.
Note: replays showed Mark DeRosa was indeed out at first base (and probably would have been safe had he just run through the play instead of sliding) on the 9th-inning play in which 1B coach Matt Sinatro (who almost never argues) and Lou were both tossed by umpire Rob Drake, a vacation-replacement guy who seems to take pleasure and pride in doing things that will get him on SportsCenter (this crew was at the Cell last week and Drake tossed Ozzie Guillen during that series). Drake had to move to first base when crew chief Gerry Davis was injured in the 2nd inning on a ball that wasn't handled by Marlins catcher John Baker, and Bruce Dreckman moved behind the place.
The bullpen was pretty good today, apart from Marshall allowing the HR to Hermida and Gaudin giving up the winning run in the 12th inning -- on a rally started on a two-out double by Hermida that just landed fair down the left field line. This after one more positive -- Reed Johnson throwing out pinch-hitter Robert Andino at 2B trying to stretch a single into a double. And Scott Eyre still warms up, dutifully, every day, and never gets used by Lou. Question: if Lou's not going to use Eyre, why is he on the team?
One thing that might make you feel better is to look at the "Best Starts By Cub Teams Since 1900" box that I update after every game. Despite going 3-6 since the All-Star break, this team is keeping pace with those other teams (of course, far behind teams like the 1906 and 1907 teams that ran away with the NL pennant). They currently sport precisely the same record that the 1984 team did after 104 games -- 60-44 (in fact, after the 104th game in 1984 -- oddly, a 12-inning loss, 2-1 to the Phillies, the '84 Cubs were 2nd, 1/2 game out of first place). That team got hot in early August and won 96 games. I'm not saying this Cub team will do that, but it's far too early to panic.
Also, I know it doesn't matter. Iknowitdoesn'tmatterBUT -- the W/L record by TV channel is getting a bit ridiculous. For those of you outside of Chicago who only see the Cubs on WGN, not on CSN, you're probably wondering when they ever win. They're now 19-22 on WGN, 34-16 on CSN. (Tomorrow's game is on CSN.)
And so, Jason Marquis needs to eat up some innings tomorrow -- he's actually pretty good at that, having gone at least seven in four of his last six starts -- and more importantly, these guys have to score some runs.
Till then, GO ASTROS GO.
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Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on
Jul 26, 2008 5:10 PM CDT
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Yep, but I was writing a bit longer post, so I'll give it to you...
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on
Jul 26, 2008 5:11 PM CDT
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I'm writing a longer one right now, so I'll take it..
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on
Jul 26, 2008 5:12 PM CDT
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I'm writing War and Peace
by hand, on post-it notes
What doesn't kill you makes you stranger -- The Joker
by Emelie on
Jul 26, 2008 5:13 PM CDT
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That must really hurt your hand....
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on
Jul 26, 2008 5:14 PM CDT
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LOL
Okay, you can have my first then.
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on
Jul 26, 2008 5:17 PM CDT
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oh no no no
I would never abscond with a legitimately attained first! :D
What doesn't kill you makes you stranger -- The Joker
by Emelie on
Jul 26, 2008 5:19 PM CDT
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You sure?
Otherwise I’m putting it up on my mantle above the fireplace right now!
(how was the game thread today?)
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by carmen_fanzone on
Jul 26, 2008 5:21 PM CDT
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See below....
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on
Jul 26, 2008 5:22 PM CDT
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thread was good up to a point
then a new troll came in. We’ve reported him to Al and expect action soon.
What doesn't kill you makes you stranger -- The Joker
by Emelie on
Jul 26, 2008 5:23 PM CDT
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oh boy...
....guess it was a good idea for me to stay out of them y’day and today. Just too brutal for me anymore when we’re losing.
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by carmen_fanzone on
Jul 26, 2008 5:25 PM CDT
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yeah, not gonna names names but...
you can go check it out yourself if you want, but any real cubs fan wouldn’t waste 40 seconds of their life on that guy… ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on
Jul 26, 2008 5:30 PM CDT
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Figures...
I’ve given “he who shall go unnamed” about 100 flags.
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by carmen_fanzone on
Jul 26, 2008 5:36 PM CDT
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I told ya so
Last week everybody was overlooking these guys and looking to the Brewers series.
This is a real good young team that would beat the Brewers in a 7 game series
by nimblenikelfoos on
Jul 26, 2008 5:11 PM CDT
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I don't know about taking the Marlins lightly
Hell Cubs lost 11 in a row to this team. I know personally this series was going to be tough. And I can bet my life the players did not take this team lightly, and that is all that matters.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on
Jul 26, 2008 5:24 PM CDT
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The Marlins give me the heebie jeebies
What doesn't kill you makes you stranger -- The Joker
by Emelie on
Jul 26, 2008 5:25 PM CDT
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I don't think anybody was taking the Marlins lightly
Winning three of four would have been nice, but a 2-2 split is realistic and, at this point, essential.
by Not Bruce Froemming on
Jul 26, 2008 5:36 PM CDT
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I swear the Marlins save their best games for when they play the Cubs....
They are ranked 14th in ERA (4.57) in the NL according to MLB.com. They are LAST in the NL in fielding percentage (.978) with a whopping 85 errors.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on
Jul 26, 2008 5:50 PM CDT
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Part of all the errors...
Is that they are quick and cover a lot of ground….so a many a hits the cub pitchers give up….are errors b/c the Marrlin’s fielders cover ground and get to a lot…
That said…it just makes it that much more diistrubing that the Cubs can’t hit the 14th best pitching staff in the NL
The best defense is a good offense
by kcjones on
Jul 26, 2008 6:50 PM CDT
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indeed
tomorrow isn’t “must win” in any critical sense other than we need to snap the losing streak.
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
by drewishdrewid on
Jul 26, 2008 6:15 PM CDT
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I dont care if Im not first, I dont understand that blog phenomenon
I was a little perplexed as to why Harden was pulled after only 87 pitches, but theyre being careful given his history, so Im ok with that- hes been healthy all year except after returning from Japan…so whatever it takes to maintain that Im fine, and hopefully it wont be an issue next year.
The offense is a complete mess lately, so to blame Harden or Marshall isnt really fair, they did their jobs in spades.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on
Jul 26, 2008 5:13 PM CDT
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I'm not blaming either of those pitchers, as I said.
If this team had any decent offense, they’d have won BOTH yesterday and today.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 26, 2008 5:23 PM CDT
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If they had a consistent offense...like the first 95 games...
They’d likelly be 6-3 or 7-2 since ASG
The best defense is a good offense
by kcjones on
Jul 26, 2008 5:37 PM CDT
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amen to that!
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on
Jul 26, 2008 6:28 PM CDT
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Right, but...
To suggest that Harden didnt do his job b/c he only went five innings isnt really fair, b/c it wasnt his decision, its not as if he asked to be removed.
I personally am amazed at what he can do and living on the east coast, I dont know that I ever even saw him throw before….so Im absolutely giddy with his performance and want him around for as many years as possible, so if lifting him in the 5th is what it takes to build up his strength for the future, then so be it. But I do agree that the offense has really let him, and all the starters for the past month or so, down.
But what can you do? Soriano should get in the groove soon and hopefully ramirez and Lee can get sufficient rest to maintain their production….they were just a Jeremy Hermida away from winning.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on
Jul 27, 2008 1:31 AM CDT
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That ump
Is there any where they keep records for how many players/managers/coaches each individual ump has tossed? This guy is very quick to the trigger. Granted, Sinatro threw his helmet, and it looked like Lou said the “magic word”, but the ump yelled something at Sinatro after he was tossed and was walking away that REALLY pissed off Sinatro.
Please tell me he’s not behind the plate tomorrow with Marquis pitching.
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by carmen_fanzone on
Jul 26, 2008 5:17 PM CDT
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If he was the 1st base ump today...
then yeah he should be the plate ump tomorrow… I think most crews rotate clockwise throughout a series.
by MillsChC on
Jul 26, 2008 5:22 PM CDT
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The Cubs haven't gotten a single close play called their way this series
That sucks at home
by Mapmaker on
Jul 26, 2008 5:24 PM CDT
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Well, I dont' think he started the game at 1st...
....he moved there after the HP ump was injured, so maybe we catch a break.
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by carmen_fanzone on
Jul 26, 2008 5:26 PM CDT
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Does anyone know if ump is OK?
He looked so out of it, it was scary…
What doesn't kill you makes you stranger -- The Joker
by Emelie on
Jul 26, 2008 5:27 PM CDT
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he was the 2b ump
and moved to 1st when the plate ump went out.
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
by drewishdrewid on
Jul 26, 2008 6:16 PM CDT
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Rob Drake started today's game as the 1B umpire
Drake stayed at 1B since he is scheduled to be behind the plate Sunday.
Bruce Dreckman, who was the 2B umpire, took over for Gerry Davis, who got hit in the mask with the pitch. Davis, the crew chief, was taken to a local hospital to be examined and did return to Wrigley Field during the game. He underwent a CAT scan, which came back negative, but still was feeling dizzy after the game has finished.
Davis will miss Sunday’s game and could also be sidelined into next week.
Dreckman took over so that no umpire would be behind the plate two games in a row. He was the HP umpire Thursday. Brian Gorman was behind the plate yesterday (Friday), so he could not go behind the plate and Drake is scheduled to be there Sunday.
"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."
by flachimesa on
Jul 26, 2008 8:29 PM CDT
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crud.
That’s just very unhappy making.
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
by drewishdrewid on
Jul 26, 2008 8:37 PM CDT
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crap
Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.
by sue369 on
Jul 26, 2008 9:26 PM CDT
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I think we should challenge him
let the cubs not give this guy ANY slack. meh.
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
by drewishdrewid on
Jul 26, 2008 9:36 PM CDT
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What makes me happy...
It looks like Carlos Marmol is getting filthy again
Dome seems to be hitting marginally better
Reed Johnson rocks my world
Harden’s got the Ks (count ‘em) ... but he needs to learn efficiency
Knowing that Drake is a complete Douche
AND…
That despite the last couple of games, we got “too much good stuff” not to make it through to the promised land
What doesn't kill you makes you stranger -- The Joker
by Emelie on
Jul 26, 2008 5:18 PM CDT
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Yeah that Reed
makes me one happy girl. I’m so glad he’s on our team.
Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.
by sue369 on
Jul 26, 2008 6:46 PM CDT
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Drake the ump was terrible.
and I still think DeRosa was safe. I don’t think the WGN replays are conclusive.
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
by drewishdrewid on
Jul 26, 2008 5:20 PM CDT
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but the point is you don't slide into first.
if DeRo runs through that play, he is easily safe and the Drake is a non-factor. DeRo should know better.
In close games we need to not waste chances. Who knows if he would have scored, but we lost out on having him on base.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on
Jul 26, 2008 6:32 PM CDT
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True.
Drake will be the 1B umpire tomorrow, if they keep their rotation—and that depends on whether Davis is OK. They may have to call up another replacement guy.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 26, 2008 6:58 PM CDT
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I believe Drake will be behind the plate Sunday.
"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."
by flachimesa on
Jul 26, 2008 8:31 PM CDT
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and Davis will not be umpiring Sunday.
"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."
by flachimesa on
Jul 26, 2008 8:32 PM CDT
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Which means they have to fly a replacement guy in...
... since they won’t want to have only three umpires for Sunday’s game.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 27, 2008 4:26 AM CDT
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I think
DeRo thought there was going to be a tag, maybe.
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
by drewishdrewid on
Jul 26, 2008 7:18 PM CDT
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This is not unreasonable
The only reason I am cutting DeRo any slack on that play is that Ramirez had to make a really long throw from the hole, and he might have snuck a look over and thought that the throw was going to be wide.
Still, sliding into first drives me crazy. I’ve seen too many people injured (at the college level) for no benefit.
In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this -Oysterband
by Ross on
Jul 26, 2008 8:55 PM CDT
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Harden
agreed 87 pitches seems low but I think forward thinking probably played a part in this too. He’s schedule to pitch the last game of the Brewers series on Thursday, which is on normal rest (for most pitchers) but supposedly Harden is going to be getting that sixth day every now and then. Since this is one of the times he won’t get that sixth day, Lou might have had a shorter hook for him today, to keep him ready for Thursday.
Also, while it would be nice if he did go longer into games, I will be ecstatic if I can get 5 innings of one run ball every 5th (or 6th) day, especially given the rest of the rotation (Z, Dempster and yes, even Liliy). Now if he starts mixing in 5 innings of average ball every few starts, agreed – that would be detrimental.
But if he’s on auto-pilot for 5 great innings every time, I would take that in a heartbeat and make the appropriate adjustments for the rest of the staff.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on
Jul 26, 2008 5:20 PM CDT
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Yes, Harden was acquired for one reason...October.
Need to keep him healthy, and the Brewers within striking distance.
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on
Jul 26, 2008 5:24 PM CDT
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Thats terrible *planning*....
You have to earn a playoff spot before Octobeer matters…....it’s all for naught if the Cubs don’t get back to scoring runs on a torrid pace like in May and June…
The Cubs are 9/10 (w/ the Phillies) in runs in July.
The best defense is a good offense
by kcjones on
Jul 26, 2008 5:34 PM CDT
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Thanks for the recap and the perspective, Al...
I haven’t been here that long, but the game threads IMO are getting out of hand…excessive profanity, baiting and generally rude language by some posters needs to be reigned in. Someone even posted a purported name and address of one of the worst offenders (not really a smart move).
I’m uncertain how you can go about that, but I can tell that there are several others (particularly the ladies of the board) that are getting frustrated with the lack of class exhibited.
It appears to me some of us need to do a bit more thinking before typing…maybe this is all wishful thinking on my part.
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on
Jul 26, 2008 5:22 PM CDT
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Just so everyone knows...
... the issues raised to me in email and by the flags posted (that I can see as the moderator) about a couple of individuals in particular, have been taken care of.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 26, 2008 5:24 PM CDT
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I kiss your feet
What doesn't kill you makes you stranger -- The Joker
by Emelie on
Jul 26, 2008 5:25 PM CDT
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Thank you sir...
...I really like this place and hope we can keep the discussions civil…
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on
Jul 26, 2008 5:27 PM CDT
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Is there any way to have it that certain posters are automatically ignored
I never want to see a post by person ABC is there a way to do that?
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on
Jul 26, 2008 5:35 PM CDT
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It would be great if
when a poster receives X number of individual flags s/he gets booted
What doesn't kill you makes you stranger -- The Joker
by Emelie on
Jul 26, 2008 5:36 PM CDT
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+1
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on
Jul 26, 2008 5:37 PM CDT
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No, it wouldn't.
Then people would simply gang up and try kick out someone because they didn’t like what they said.
Censorship is un-American.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.
by Matt Allison on
Jul 26, 2008 5:38 PM CDT
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oh please
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by Emelie on
Jul 26, 2008 5:38 PM CDT
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Oh please what?
I’ve seen how some of you softies react.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.
by Matt Allison on
Jul 26, 2008 5:39 PM CDT
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I'm all for freedom of expression
but I’m also all for collective condemnation. When extremists come in with the express desire to stir up trouble by antagonizing the community then we have the right to ostracize. It’s not one decision, it’s the decision of many.
What doesn't kill you makes you stranger -- The Joker
by Emelie on
Jul 26, 2008 5:44 PM CDT
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Hear hear...
Well said!
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on
Jul 26, 2008 11:43 PM CDT
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"Softies"?
What does THAT mean? Explain.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 26, 2008 6:59 PM CDT
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I think he means
anyone who doesn’t go balistic after a loss.
Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.
by sue369 on
Jul 26, 2008 7:00 PM CDT
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I see.
Well, that’s not the way I want the tone of this site to be.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 26, 2008 7:01 PM CDT
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Oh I know and
try and get that point across to the negative Neds but they don’t want to hear it.
Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.
by sue369 on
Jul 26, 2008 7:02 PM CDT
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Ignore 'em if you can.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 26, 2008 7:03 PM CDT
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I'll try.
Sometimmes it’s not easy tho.
Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.
by sue369 on
Jul 26, 2008 7:04 PM CDT
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well in the same way it's not easy for some to not go ballistic..
You either ignore them like Al said or don’t bother reading game threads
by cubsnlinux on
Jul 26, 2008 7:05 PM CDT
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Like I said
I’ll try. It’s kind of hard not to read the threads when I participate in them.
Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.
by sue369 on
Jul 26, 2008 9:32 PM CDT
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can't you see the corollary??
That’s what the rest are going to say …that they are “participating” too..
by cubsnlinux on
Jul 26, 2008 9:46 PM CDT
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I'll just keep
doing what I always do.
Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.
by sue369 on
Jul 26, 2008 10:23 PM CDT
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exactly... they bait and draw
quit drawing, folks
What doesn't kill you makes you stranger -- The Joker
by Emelie on
Jul 26, 2008 7:11 PM CDT
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bait, flag, email Al....
I’ve given up the drawing…it’s what they want.
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by carmen_fanzone on
Jul 26, 2008 7:16 PM CDT
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and dont say your flagging them
b/c that they just enjoy more I think.
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on
Jul 26, 2008 7:18 PM CDT
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The problem is that there are also
plenty of pos’s that bait just as much but that’s apparently more acceptable.
by bluekoolaide on
Jul 26, 2008 8:03 PM CDT
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yep
also anyone who tries to have a little fun on the threads. b/c he wants intelligent discussion… that shares his opinion.
Imagine me cheering on my favorite player by commenting that he has the stats of an AS but that I noticed he happened to be cute and a decent person.
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on
Jul 26, 2008 7:03 PM CDT
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there's a difference b/n not liking what somebody says and posting the kind of crap...
...that gocubs40 does.
God Bless America.
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by carmen_fanzone on
Jul 26, 2008 5:42 PM CDT
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Then you let Al decide.
Not mob rules.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.
by Matt Allison on
Jul 26, 2008 5:43 PM CDT
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or mob common sense as the case may be
What doesn't kill you makes you stranger -- The Joker
by Emelie on
Jul 26, 2008 5:45 PM CDT
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No
Then you create a gang of bullies.
For example, what if a bunch my friends decided we wanted to post nothing but intelligent discourse here, and sent out a flag everytime someone talked about how hot they thought Reed Johnson was?
Let Al be the arbiter.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.
by Matt Allison on
Jul 26, 2008 5:48 PM CDT
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but that's not how it works
the BCB community has never responded that way. We respond when there are flagrantly egregious violators of community standards. You don’t give BCB intelligence and fairness enough credit.
What doesn't kill you makes you stranger -- The Joker
by Emelie on
Jul 26, 2008 5:53 PM CDT
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You're paranoid, dude.
And I really doubt if someone would do something as silly as the Reed Johnson thing. Seriously.
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by carmen_fanzone on
Jul 26, 2008 5:54 PM CDT
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he may be paranoid, but you have to admit
there have been more than a few Soto-licious threads on here…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on
Jul 26, 2008 6:04 PM CDT
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mmmmm.... soto
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by Emelie on
Jul 26, 2008 6:12 PM CDT
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flagged.
get it?
Tinker to Evers to Chance.
by Matt Allison on
Jul 26, 2008 6:13 PM CDT
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why would comments about Soto be upsetting to you?
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by carmen_fanzone on
Jul 26, 2008 6:14 PM CDT
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as opposed to gocubs40 saying...
....”game over” in the 7th inning?
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by carmen_fanzone on
Jul 26, 2008 6:16 PM CDT
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gocubs40
was making a prediction that is usually true in that case. If he’s wrong, then let him look bad on his own.
I could say that girls talking about how hot Geo and Reed are adds to the idiot quotient of this site. I could say I’m sick of it, band together with some fans that only want intelligent discussion and analysis, and have every bozo on here bounced.
How does that sound?
Let Al decide.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.
by Matt Allison on
Jul 26, 2008 6:48 PM CDT
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He's not making a freaking prediction...
He’s purposely trying to bait people.
“Nice play” when a Cub makes an error
“Nice pitch” when a pitcher gives up a hit
“Game Over” when the Cubs lose a lead, no matter what inning.
That’s baiting.
What you’re proposing is pretty high school, dude. But I guess when you throw around “Idiot quotient” and “every bozo on here”, you’ve obviously got an ax to grind.
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by carmen_fanzone on
Jul 26, 2008 6:54 PM CDT
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You seriously are telling us
that when men watch female athletes that are attractive, they don’t notice and comment they are attractive?
Overwhelmingly (if not all), of the comments by the ladies are complimentary in a tasteful way.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on
Jul 26, 2008 7:11 PM CDT
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I think he just picked something
that he won’t want in his game threads as an example.
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on
Jul 26, 2008 7:14 PM CDT
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example of men
fawning over a woman-
Erin Andrews.
Without fail every man here goes brain dead at the mere posting of her picture. It’s all in good fun no matter who is ogling who.
"That guy is a gamer." said Ron Santo of Reed Johnson on 07-25-08
by love the ivy on
Jul 27, 2008 7:09 AM CDT
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eh.
She’s ok. She’s no Erin Grey, tho.
bedebedebedebede!
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
by drewishdrewid on
Jul 27, 2008 9:40 AM CDT
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I was going to
post some thing similar to what you just did. Well said. Thanks!!!
Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.
by sue369 on
Jul 27, 2008 12:24 PM CDT
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if I may...
Matt used an example of everyone talking about how hot they thought Reed Johnson was.
You doubted if someone would do something as silly as that.
I pointed out that there have been quite a few comments about how hot Soto is.
So if your point was that no one thinks Reed is hot, ok, that may be valid. But if you’re saying that the good people here at BCB would never discuss the ‘appeal’ of a Cub player, I’d say you’re wrong.
Note: above analysis is completely separate from the worthiness of gocubs40’s commentary.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on
Jul 26, 2008 6:29 PM CDT
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No...
I wasn’t denying the hotness that is Reed Johnson. Or how the ladies discuss it in the thread.
What I doubted is if someone would actually do the example Matt gave of “he and his buddies ganging up and flagging posts that talk about Reed’s hotness”. Like Emelie said, he doesn’t give BCB enough credit to flag the really innapropriate stuff.
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by carmen_fanzone on
Jul 26, 2008 6:47 PM CDT
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Wow
He’s seems quite paranoid about this topic.
Worst case scenio he gets banned from this one….. there are tons of other blogs out there.
That his allow him to express his opinions freely.
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on
Jul 26, 2008 6:53 PM CDT
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fair enough. I stand corrected.
my bad for misinterpreting your response.
I disagree though that someone wouldn’t do that. If the tools are added to this site to allow for the majority of BCB users to exercise good judgement, I think you’d have to expect that some would use those same tools to achieve their objectives.
Whether their intent was malicious or they truly think they are flagging inappropriate stuff, who knows. Unless there’s some way of classifying people, I think when you say BCB community, you have to take into account everyone who posts here.
And that’s why Al has a very difficult job – and performs it very well.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on
Jul 26, 2008 7:00 PM CDT
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ballhawk +1
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on
Jul 26, 2008 7:04 PM CDT
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Oh, I agree....
...but then maybe I trust in my fellow man too much. LOL.
I would say the MAJORITY of the posters on this site would use their “powers” for good, not evil, like all superheroes do. :)
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by carmen_fanzone on
Jul 26, 2008 7:06 PM CDT
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majority being the operative word
What doesn't kill you makes you stranger -- The Joker
by Emelie on
Jul 26, 2008 7:16 PM CDT
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Soto
Sooo hot, want to touch the hiney! (say it like Adam Sandler )
"That guy is a gamer." said Ron Santo of Reed Johnson on 07-25-08
by love the ivy on
Jul 26, 2008 10:32 PM CDT
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mob mentality...
I can’t believe we’re even having this discussion. Do you have even the most basic concept of “freedom of speech”?
by bluekoolaide on
Jul 26, 2008 8:05 PM CDT
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I think everyone has the concept of "freedom of speech".
I repeat again. Only the government guarantees you freedom of speech. This is a private site, run by me. There are rules - not many - that I would like everyone to follow, to be courteous to others and not have too much profanity.
If people can’t follow those simple rules, then it is within my right to ask them to leave.
It has nothing to do with “freedom of speech”.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 26, 2008 8:09 PM CDT
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Thank you....
...and I leave it to your capable judgement. I will use the flag button from this point forward.
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on
Jul 26, 2008 8:36 PM CDT
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I hate to nitpick Al
but technically freedom of speech is a right given us by our creator, and protected by government. Let’s not give government any more power than they already assume, please.
"Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." ~Master Yoda
by Goodie1969 on
Jul 27, 2008 9:30 AM CDT
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this isn't
the government.
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
by drewishdrewid on
Jul 26, 2008 6:18 PM CDT
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Thanks so much Al!
Hey, it's a new century!
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wewt.
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
by drewishdrewid on
Jul 26, 2008 6:17 PM CDT
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Thank you Al.
Carlos Zambrano and Rich Harden. Now that's a pair of Aces.
by sue369 on
Jul 26, 2008 6:56 PM CDT
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I'm here because the majority of the posters are knowledgeable and passionate fans...
...and that’s exactly who I want to discuss Cubs baseball with. Although sometimes a few dissenters make the community difficult, that comes with the online territory. For the most part, BCB enhances my knowledge of my favorite team, favorite sport, favorite hobby, and makes these things much, much more enjoyable. Thanks to all.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on
Jul 26, 2008 7:47 PM CDT
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Very LSA...
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermatrician...
by Curtain Jerker on
Jul 27, 2008 8:48 AM CDT
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I opened a can of worms last year
and complained about the same. I just don’t go to the game threads anymore. Some folks get emotional and view a game differently.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on
Jul 26, 2008 5:38 PM CDT
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I think it's gotten much better..
since the AZ series. The key is just to ignore the trolls. If no one responds to their baiting, they ususally go away.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on
Jul 26, 2008 11:41 PM CDT
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Easier said then done
but I will sure try to ignore them.
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by sue369 on
Jul 27, 2008 12:25 PM CDT
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Well after swirling this one around in my mouth for awhile I guess we should be...
glad that this is not happening later in the season…..if we can right the offensive ship soon (like by the time we get to Milwaukee please) then with the pitching we get we should be in the playoffs…...would love to run away with things but then I suppose we wouldn’t enjoy the promised land as much when we get there…..any thoughts on extra bats we need or are we okay with what we have?
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Jul 26, 2008 5:31 PM CDT
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They quoted Hendry as saying...
“as long as everyone’s healthy, we don’t see a need for a trading deadline deal”.
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by carmen_fanzone on
Jul 26, 2008 5:33 PM CDT
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Check my Kerry Wood comment in the recap.
Assuming he does do this rehab appearance on Tuesday and all is well, he could be available Wed. in Milwaukee—which would allow everyone to go back to their NORMAL bullpen roles.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 26, 2008 7:00 PM CDT
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When the piitching strikes
out 20.......the hitters need to do a better job.
The best defense is a good offense
by kcjones on
Jul 26, 2008 5:31 PM CDT
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Though....
K’s can lead to high pitch counts…...
The best defense is a good offense
by kcjones on
Jul 26, 2008 5:32 PM CDT
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Hitting's gotta improve, that's all there is to it...
.....we’ve got to come out of this funk sometime! Our pitching staff has been AMAZING since the All Star Break. And 19k’s in 11 IP today.
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Pitching is fine.
Don’t really want hear again about that again. It’s ridiculous to criticize Cubs pitching.
But the offense? Now maybe people understand why last week I insisted Lee, Rami and Soto needed to sit.
If Lou doesn’t get his head out of his rear, he’s going to run this team into the ground like Durocher did in ‘69.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.
by Matt Allison on
Jul 26, 2008 5:33 PM CDT
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Funny...
I had flashbacks of 1969 too, from watching this team the last month!
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on
Jul 26, 2008 6:02 PM CDT
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Fukudome...
...looks terrible when he swings and misses. Sort of like one of those toy tops I had as a kid. Can’t Peary do something about that swing?
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
by ronsanto10 on
Jul 26, 2008 5:44 PM CDT
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Hopefully someone can help him
The league has totally figured him out, with everything being low and outside.
His swing is so unorthodox that I wonder if he can change it much as this stage of his career? I literally cringe everytime he swings now (especially when he swings at all the outside junk).
Then I think of Jeremy Hermida and wonder how he is only hitting 260-something with that swing. Then I think of all the other players who “wait ” for a pitch in their zone and crush it without chasing balls out of the strike zone. Why can’t they play for the Cubs?
Please make some adjustments Kosuke. Thank you!
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by CubFanSince1970 on
Jul 26, 2008 6:13 PM CDT
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The Club
won’t continue with this hitting slump. Sori, Ramy and Lee all have positive track records they will turn it around.
I agree, lets give Ramy a day, give DeRo a day, let Cedeno start twice or 3 games a week for a change.
No problem Harden going 87 pitches, next week start against the Brewers let him go to 100-105.
I look at this way, Cubs haven;t really hit consistenly this month, and they are in first either tied or 1 up, They will hit.
58 to go, lets got 35-23. Go Cubs.
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by Grockcubs on
Jul 26, 2008 5:45 PM CDT
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We could only hope
Teams are adjusting to the cubs hitters, they are not using the whole field
I've been bleeding double blue Cubbies & NY Rangers
by parrotinct on
Jul 26, 2008 5:52 PM CDT
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Rob Drake or whatever his name is
Like Al said the guy seems to love throwing guys out of the game. First there was the bullspit that occurred against the White Sox when Lou was walking back to the dugout.
Then this week he makes an atrocious strike call on somebody from the Sox. Guillen comes out to argue and Drake throws him out. The whole arguing balls and strikes thing aside, the umpire made an awful call and covered up for it by ejecting the manager.
Today it started with the check swing call against Derrek, which Drake later called no swing for a Marlin player later in the game (replays show Lee’s swing and the Marlin’s swing were the same).
DeRosa was out, and would of been safe if he ran through the base, again not the point here, the first base coach gets upset umpire tosses him pretty quickly. It looked like Sinatro actually gave up arguing and then Drake said something to get him mad again.
Lou comes out and argues, gets tossed, and then it was obvious that Drake and the other umpires were egging him on. Lou was almost in the dugout to leave when he came out again after the umpires obviously said something to him.
Drake not only has a real fast trigger when it comes to tossing managers, he continues to egg them on after they have stopped their argument. The REAL umpires need to finish vacation so this clown can go back to AAA or wherever the pulled him from.
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by nji232 on
Jul 26, 2008 5:51 PM CDT
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Repeat of yesterday
Unless the cubs offense adjust – they are in big trouble,
Lee looks at 1 – 2 pitches per AB that should be hit to center or right.
The pitchers on this team should never have to pick up the dinner bill except Howry.
The offense should
Dear, Jim
Picking up Harden was great, Please find a bat out there somewhere.
I've been bleeding double blue Cubbies & NY Rangers
by parrotinct on
Jul 26, 2008 5:51 PM CDT
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Now I'll say it
Why not Barry Bonds?
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by nji232 on
Jul 26, 2008 5:56 PM CDT
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eew and... no
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by Emelie on
Jul 26, 2008 5:57 PM CDT
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But why not?
a .400 OBP and a power bat. He will play for cheap and he can be an ace pinch hitter who can spot start in the outfield once or twice a week.
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by nji232 on
Jul 26, 2008 6:00 PM CDT
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Exactly
I want to WIN…Bonds can help that.
The rest of the stuff doesn’t really bother me, but I can see how it can bother some people on this board.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermatrician...
by Curtain Jerker on
Jul 26, 2008 6:01 PM CDT
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If Zambrano didn't pummel Edmonds the instant he walked into Wrigley
I think don’t think Bonds would mess up this clubhouse, which is what I think most people worry about with him.
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by nji232 on
Jul 26, 2008 6:02 PM CDT
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Exactly
his toxins would infect the club house
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by Emelie on
Jul 26, 2008 6:05 PM CDT
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What toxins?
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by nji232 on
Jul 26, 2008 6:06 PM CDT
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meant to be a Hagens reply
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by Emelie on
Jul 26, 2008 6:07 PM CDT
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being from the Bay Area and watching his act every day...
no way in hell should they bring in BB. He is a cancer. IMO the Cubs have a cold right now…they don’t need a full blown terminal illness!
"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cheshire Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
by Hagen on
Jul 26, 2008 6:03 PM CDT
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Read what I wrote above
The positives of Bonds far outweigh the negatives considering that clubhouse is run by Lou Pinella and not Dusty Baker or Felipe Alou
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by nji232 on
Jul 26, 2008 6:05 PM CDT
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Still don't buy it.
The Cubs need a total team effort to get this job done. They don’t need a guy who is simply trying to extend a personal, and tainted, record. BB is not a team guy.
"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cheshire Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
by Hagen on
Jul 26, 2008 6:08 PM CDT
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According to a lot of people here Soriano isn't either
He seems pretty important to our team. Edmonds was enemy number one, him and Big Z wanted to kill each other then he got here nothing bad happened.
The guy can hit and thats what we need.
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by nji232 on
Jul 26, 2008 6:11 PM CDT
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Would love to continue this but I have to go cook dinner
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by nji232 on
Jul 26, 2008 6:14 PM CDT
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Have a good one...
Just different opinions. Take care.
"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cheshire Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
by Hagen on
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He can't play a position
and he can barely run. Unless he hits a home run nearly every time you pinch hit
him what is he going to do ? As a DH he may have value but not in the NL.
I don’t worry about the clubhouse part but the media circus is something no one needs
which is why no one is biting
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by Doggie Stalker on
Jul 26, 2008 6:20 PM CDT
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exactly.....no nl team will touch him
what i dont get is why don’t a team like the royals get him? they’ve got no chance at the playoffs, he will come cheap and it will be a huge draw for fans
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Jul 26, 2008 6:29 PM CDT
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No, he wouldn't be a draw any more, I don't think.
Further, why would the Cubs want him? He can only play LF, and not very well. We already have a left fielder.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 26, 2008 7:02 PM CDT
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And he's no defensive gem either...
But that said…I’d take Sori out there over Bonds anyday
The best defense is a good offense
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Jul 26, 2008 7:12 PM CDT
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kc I'm agreeing w/ you again
what’s going on here?? :)
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on
Jul 26, 2008 7:14 PM CDT
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Have I ever told you
you’re my heeeeeeerooooooo…
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
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Jul 26, 2008 7:20 PM CDT
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I fell off the wagon
n/t :)
The best defense is a good offense
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Even if we did
sign Bonds and found a way to get him in the lineup somehow, he’s aged and hasn’t played baseball in a while. There’s no guaranteeing he’ll OBP as much as he did last year.
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Jul 26, 2008 7:12 PM CDT
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because he's a tool.
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
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Poor DLee...
looks so out of sync up there lately!
Forrget the HRs, I just wish he would hit around .320-.325 and hit lots of doubles and singles. I would be totally happy with that (as I am sure he would be to!)
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
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Jul 26, 2008 6:00 PM CDT
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hitting is rhythm and DLee is missing, what I believe, is his biggest timing mechanism...
when he’s on, he’s got a bit of a bat “waggle” and a lean back prior to getting set in the box, kind of like Aaron Rowands rock back. It’s all part of getting in their comfort zone. I haven’t seen DLee do this in some time.
"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cheshire Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
by Hagen on
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and put it where?
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
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Two Runs
Two runs in 12 innings today and Two runs in 9 innings yesterday is not getting the job done.
Geez – It is so frustrating!!
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by Cub Fan Mike on
Jul 26, 2008 5:54 PM CDT
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I really do hope we make it...
to the Promised Land this year!
Reality tho, says that if the heart of our order is not producing more than 1-2 runs per game, then we are going to have a tough time making it there this year.
I see DeRo as being tired, DLee as totally out of sync, Ramy with more than usual, hot and cold streaks (mostly cold), Fukudome as needing more offensive production ( by adjusting his style at the plate ) Soto needing more rest, Theriot needing more rest and overall better bench production. Walks as a team are way down and small ball is almost non-existent right now for the Cubs.
Starting pitching has been beyond expectations so far, but the Bullpen is also a big concern (more so than last year).
I just feel we have too many “holes” to be WS winners this year, and that is just reality, not negativity. It could be the pressure (100 year thing), just plain tiredness, or they are not quite as good of a team as the first half showed. It’s been a fun season, but let’s hope they turn it around and start trending in the “other” direction tomorrow.
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by CubFanSince1970 on
Jul 26, 2008 5:57 PM CDT
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Isn't it a little early for talk like that?
The season still has two months to go. I don’t think that’s reality, I think you’re projecting your negativity about the Cubs on the whole team.
If it’s the “pressure” of the 100-year thing, then you might as well find another team. Because that isn’t going to change.
by Not Bruce Froemming on
Jul 26, 2008 6:16 PM CDT
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Didn't say the pressure...
of the 100 year thing was on me! Rather is seems to be possibly bothering the boys on the field a little bit.
I never worry about the 100-year thing. I am just a baseball fan who enjoys the entertainment of the wonderful sport of baseball.
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on
Jul 26, 2008 6:23 PM CDT
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I think there was a comment by DeRosa
talking about how the 100-year thing had no bearing on them at all. They were more concerned about winning one for themselves.
That’s good, I think.
by Not Bruce Froemming on
Jul 26, 2008 6:35 PM CDT
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What the heck do you think DeRo is gong to say to the media? That he is buckling under the 100 year pressure?
Do you really believe everything that is told to the media?
by cubsnlinux on
Jul 26, 2008 6:53 PM CDT
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Well, if they are,
Then we ALL need to find another team to cheer for. Because that aspect isn’t going away.
Do you really, honestly think the recent slump is because the players are feeling “pressure” because of the 100-year thing? If you do, I think you’re nuts.
by Not Bruce Froemming on
Jul 26, 2008 6:57 PM CDT
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Please read my post one more time before you insinuate. I never said that they are feeling the 100 year pressure
I just said that even if they did they are not going to say so to the media. Most of the time whatever these guys tell the media is absolute gibberish. We should always take it with a grain of salt either way.
by cubsnlinux on
Jul 26, 2008 7:01 PM CDT
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From most of the team, I think that's true
It seems DeRosa and Dempster are a bit more thoughtful about what they say.
by Not Bruce Froemming on
Jul 26, 2008 7:06 PM CDT
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I think it's more the pressure being on a team...
...that has the talent to win it all and knowing it, than this 100 year thing. I mean, really, do the ballplayers really care that the 1969 Cubs lost it to the Mets, considering none of them were even around?
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by carmen_fanzone on
Jul 26, 2008 6:59 PM CDT
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LSA
I completely agree. It’s only us fans who mostly feel the 100 year thing. These guys are professionals and guys like lofton change ball clubs like they are diapers. I don’t think that there is zero 100 year pressure on them but I don’t think it’s anywhere close to buckling levels.
by cubsnlinux on
Jul 26, 2008 7:03 PM CDT
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WELL SAID......
The best defense is a good offense
by kcjones on
Jul 26, 2008 7:04 PM CDT
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I agree
The fans our the ones who have suffered and have the memories of 69, 84, 89, 03
How many players from the 03 team are left on the current squad?
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on
Jul 26, 2008 7:06 PM CDT
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And...
They don’t care about us (fans) that much …... They do to a point….but we all invest a lot more .. for lack of a better term…”brainpower”....worryiing about the Cubs…thn the players do worrying about the fans…...they all have plenty of other things to worry about…
that said….I am in no way saying they don’t care about the fans…they do…but …it’s not the same on their side.
Again..that said….they celebrate championships…deservedly so…and breaking a 100 year drought iss a LITTLE and I repeat LIITTLE more special to them….
The best defense is a good offense
by kcjones on
Jul 26, 2008 7:08 PM CDT
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I agree with you kc
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on
Jul 26, 2008 7:09 PM CDT
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Agreed.....
The 100 year thing doesn’t enter the player’s minds too much…..It’s no different than anywhere else….they want to win for themselves…which is all fine and dandy…
The 100 year thing is more a reflection on the Wrigley’s and the Tribune Co.
...and a little bad luck…I’m not talking curses here….just a bounce or 2 that diddn’t go the Cubs way at crucial times….and …..they Wrigley’s totally cost the Cubs the 84 NLCS…as they would have had home field…..cept the networks stepped in and said NO WAY
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by kcjones on
Jul 26, 2008 6:57 PM CDT
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And the tribune....
Helped….but basically…the Cubs were programming for channel 9 for 25 years…and that’s how they were run…they weren’t run as a baseball “franchise”
The best defense is a good offense
by kcjones on
Jul 26, 2008 7:02 PM CDT
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I believe DeRo's line....
Was something along the lines is this might be the best chance I* ...and I’ll stress…I* ...and a lot of others have…....
The best defense is a good offense
by kcjones on
Jul 26, 2008 7:20 PM CDT
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...and if he said ...
WE ... he was refering to the 08 Cubs collectively…not “CubNation”
The best defense is a good offense
by kcjones on
Jul 26, 2008 7:22 PM CDT
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I actually think
the more relevant stat is the Cubs have not been to the playoffs in back to back years in a 100 years, (1907 & 1908). It would lead me to believe the team has played better down the stretch when expectations are not sky high from the start of the season.
The most recent example of this is 2004. Although they year started with injuries, the team had the wild card lead until everything fell apart against the Mets.
It will be interesting to see how this season ends up. I think Lou Piniella is better suited to keeping the team focused on the goal at hand than Dusty was.
Hopefully, 2008 will end happily for everyone concerned. Whatever happens, it will be interesting.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on
Jul 26, 2008 7:23 PM CDT
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This is not the worst possible time to have a slump . . .
. . . in fact if you’re going to have one, this is as good a time as any. The worst possible time? September 10-30.
by Northpith on
Jul 26, 2008 5:59 PM CDT
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I understand that thinking
But, the game today means just as much as the any game in September. Hopefully this team can play like they did in late April/May and not like they did in June/July.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermatrician...
by Curtain Jerker on
Jul 26, 2008 6:02 PM CDT
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exactly....just ask the 2007 Mets
"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08
by JB 23 on
Jul 26, 2008 7:13 PM CDT
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Technically
wouldn’t October be the worst time for a slump?
by rea5661 on
Jul 26, 2008 7:18 PM CDT
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No DFA Gaudin post today Al?
i’m surprised….. seems like today’s game was a mirror image of yesterday’s game. Offense was and has been the issue since the break along with an issue we’ve had all year which is bullpen management
DFA’ing guys isn’t going to help the offense hit and its not going to help when you have a manager that is basically operating a 10 man pitching staff anyway (he refuses to use Scott Eyre)
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Jul 26, 2008 6:21 PM CDT
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Yeah, what is up with that?
He is afraid to put Eyre into pressure situations or what?
I am really disturbed by Lou’s bullpen management as well this year. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, he must know something we don’t.
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on
Jul 26, 2008 6:27 PM CDT
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yah.....he's stubborn
i think the shark is gonna be his new favorite weapon
by cubswynn on
Jul 26, 2008 6:31 PM CDT
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agree with that
but there won’t be much of a leash, just like there hasn’t been with other young guys like Hart, Ascanio, etc. If the Shark pitches well he’ll continue to go the well, but 2 base hits in a row and he’s out of the game, that seems to be how Lou operates (see Gaudin, Chad yesterday)
Lou likes to ride the hot hands, the problem is he pigeon-holes himself into bullpen usage patterns that lead to abuse. Howry has been the scapegoat of late but yesterday was also the 4th time in 5 days he was throwing and others were available he refused to use.
Marmol, while the results have been better, looks awful to me. Command has consistently drifted on him and he’s needing more and more pitches to get through innings. 40 through 1/3 on Thursday and another 35-38 to get through 1 2/3 today. he’s walking more than he did earlier in the year and not having easy innings as he did early in the year. I see a lot of people claiming he looks like “he’s back” and i just don’t see it at all. I see a guy with 75% of his usual stuff competing and getting by with it because 75% of his stuff/command is still “ok”.
Marmol’s slider use to have tight tight rotation, now it spins a bit more and atleast 1 of every 3 his arm is either pulling the ball down or he’s not getting on top of the ball and its spinning up and in to RH’s. He looks GASSED to me.
and that’s the result of poor bullpen management and a refusal to use back-end guys in the pen like Wuertz, Eyre, Hart, Ascanio, etc when the horses need a day or two off
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Jul 26, 2008 6:53 PM CDT
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Lou has liked the shark
since he first saw him in spring training last year. He could have the same impact that Carlos Marmol had on the bullpen last year.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on
Jul 26, 2008 7:24 PM CDT
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well
as long as we’re keeping our expectations in check…
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Jul 26, 2008 7:25 PM CDT
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agreed
remember a couple weeks ago when everyone was on the dfa marquis train? i think i was the only one arguing against it…..you have to keep in mind that jason marquis is our number 5 starter! and i would say he pitches at that level, if not better…..do i like jason marquis? absolutely not…..his attitude blows, but he usually gives the cubs offense a chance to win
okay jason, get out there and don’t make me regret this post haha
by cubswynn on
Jul 26, 2008 6:27 PM CDT
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with that being said
i would like to see the shark get a chance at the number 5 spot….hows that for contradictions?
by cubswynn on
Jul 26, 2008 6:32 PM CDT
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one more self reply and i'm done
but marquis last 10 starts he have been number 5 starter stuff…...he had one really bad game and gave up 7, one bad game giving up 5…..the rest have been 3 runs or less
sure he doesn’t go deep into the games, but he gives his team a chance to win
by cubswynn on
Jul 26, 2008 6:36 PM CDT
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Is this the internet equivalent of talking to yourself?
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on
Jul 26, 2008 7:26 PM CDT
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yep
DFA Marquis
DFA Wuertz
now DFA Howry
its stupid, you don’t just DFA guys any time they start pitching poorly. You relegate them to less important roles FIRST and see if they can work out of it, if not then you use that option as a last resort when you have someone ready to come up and step in
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Jul 26, 2008 6:55 PM CDT
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Oh, please.
You understand what I was saying about Howry, right? Gaudin’s not at that stage of his career.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 26, 2008 7:02 PM CDT
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i understand
your point that he’s pitching poorly
i understand that because he’s at the older stage in his career DFA’ing becomes an option with older guys
other than that I really didn’t understand a single point you made.
As i’ve said before you’re placing the blame on Howry when the blame should be placed on Pineilla. Howry’s going through a rough patch and has pitched well in the near past (1.76 ERA in MAY) the reason you want to DFA him is because he’s doing more harm than good to the team right? Well the person putting him in positions to do the most harm is PINEILLA. If Lou isn’t putting him in tie games the 1 run he’s giving up isn’t doing any real damage.
Relievers are a volatile bunch in general and when they go through cold spells like this you have to be prepared to use someone else. Lou has operated in a way all year long that suggests a refusal to use someone else. He’s leaned on Marmol, Wood, and Howry in a big way and completely ignored the last man in the pen whomever it’s been (Wuertz, Hart, Ascanio, Eyre, etc)
DFA’ing Howry does nothing to solve the situation because we have no viable replacements that Lou is willing to use, so what the heck is the point of it? Other than to have a scapegoat which we can blame
If we did DFA Howry then yes we have 10 days to trade him, but we’re not getting anything back of value to this season in return so unless we had someone who could immediately help the pen in the next 10 days (Who’s going to be used) then why would we do that? Why not quietly look for trades if the goal is to move Howry and simply not use him in high leverage situations for the time being and shift the pecking order of the bullpen?
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Jul 26, 2008 7:12 PM CDT
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How do you know you wouldn't get value back?
I didn’t say “DFA Gaudin” because he actually pitched pretty well today, and has since he got here.
Howry doesn’t seem to be able to pitch effectively no matter what the game situation is (as in Arizona when Lou put him in with a 7-run lead and he turned it into a 4-run lead that forced Marmol into the game). That’s a real change from what he was like a year ago. He is older and if he’s not injured, that suggests that he can no longer get major league hitters out
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 26, 2008 8:12 PM CDT
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it was just 2 months ago
that he was effective
Marmol went through a stretch in which he allowed 18 ER’s in 17 1/3 innings and we didnt get DFA him calls
just because he’s old and has struggled of late doesn’t mean he’s done. Before DFA’ing him you need to move him into lower leverage situations and see if he can work out of this. Old guys have struggled and then turned it around, look at Mike Mussina this year
and as i mentioned before what’s the point if Lou isn’t going to use the replacements anyway that we’d promote from within (Wuertz, Lieber, Ascanio, etc)
the only way DFA’ing him makes ANY sense is if we had someone else coming onto the roster Lou would use consistently
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Jul 26, 2008 9:21 PM CDT
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They HAVE moved him into lower-leverage situations.
Case in point, the Arizona game.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 27, 2008 4:27 AM CDT
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you're really hanging onto that 1 outing
here’s Howry’s July outings:
Game Score Inning Entered Situation Entered
July 1st SF 0-2 8th Bases Empty<br />July 2nd SF 6-5 8th Bases Empty
July 4th STL 2-0 7th Bases Empty<br />July 6th STL 7-1 9th Bases Empty
July 8th CIN 7-1 9th Bases Empty
July 11th SF 0-0 8th Bases Empty
July 12th SF 7-2 8th Runner on 1st, 1 out
July 18th HOU 1-1 8th Bases Empty, 2 out<br />July 21st ARZ 0-1 8th Bases Empty
July 23rd @ ARZ 10-3 8th Bases Empty
July 24th FLA 6-2 8th Bases Loaded, 0 out
July 25th FLA 2-2 9th Bases Empty
So we’ve got 1 appearance in his last 5 in which the tying run wasn’t at the plate or the game was within 1 run with us down, the game in ARZ which you’re holding so dearly to. Other than that there were 2 appearances in which the game was out of hand at the earlier month in which he was used.
So 4 of the last 5 have been with the game on the line, and 9 of the last 12
how is that moving him into lower leverage situations??
Looks like the EXACT same usage pattern we’ve seen all year
I’d love to hear your thoughts in the face of facts
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Jul 27, 2008 9:03 AM CDT
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ugh
formatting was obviously an issue…
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/gl.cgi?n1=howrybo01&t=p&year=2008
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Jul 27, 2008 9:04 AM CDT
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Jul 27, 2008 9:19 AM CDT
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I have an idea....
that would solve the idea of Harden not pitching deep into games. He needs a platoon partner when his turn comes up in the rotation. With the trade deadline looming, I have the perfect guy that could fill that role. Harden could give you five or six lights out innings, and turn the game over to Greg Maddux to finish it up.
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Lieber might be a more realistic option for that role when he comes back from his 'injury'...
...and there’s still a spot for him in the bullpen.
Although the Maddux idea is intriguing, I doubt he would want being Harden’s mop up guy to be the exclamation point on a HoF career. Besides, I read on the espn trading deadline blog that Maddux has agreed to waive his NTC only for the Dodgers.
Another possibility could be trading for Greg Maddux, who has told San Diego he would only waive his no-trade clause to accept a deal to L.A. The Dodgers could then move one of their current starters to the bullpen.
btw, as much as I’m prone to slam espn for the east coast bias and overall smug factor, I’m liking this particular blog very much. I’ve always liked stark and olney, and while I take what gammons says with more than few grains of salt, have to respect the man’s connections.
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by ballhawk on
Jul 26, 2008 6:51 PM CDT
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But, of course, Lou doesn't seem to want to use Lieber in that way.
Why, I cannot figure out.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 26, 2008 7:03 PM CDT
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It might have something to do with that inning in Cincy...
Just thiinkin…
Not saying I agree either…
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by kcjones on
Jul 26, 2008 7:09 PM CDT
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(with Lou)
The best defense is a good offense
by kcjones on
Jul 26, 2008 7:18 PM CDT
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ONE INNING.
And that put Lieber in the doghouse the rest of the year.
I don’t think I’d like to play for a manager like that.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 26, 2008 8:13 PM CDT
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well
the second game against cincy, it happened again…
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
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Jul 26, 2008 8:49 PM CDT
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I was saying I didn't agree w/ Lou....
But as usual…...I came out wrong in writing…hence my aprehension about him as manager….but..we all did that debate last night…......
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by kcjones on
Jul 26, 2008 10:42 PM CDT
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so you can't figure out why
Lou won’t use Lieber
can’t figure out why Lou keeps going to Howry
can’t figure out why Lou won’t use Eyre
and your answer is to DFA Howry? Maybe the answer is for the manager to figure out how to use a bullpen…
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Jul 26, 2008 7:13 PM CDT
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Howry should be happy he has a supporter that so adamantly supports him
even when he is struggling so much.
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on
Jul 26, 2008 7:17 PM CDT
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not supporting him...
i’m saying he needs to be relegated down the bullpen food chain
i’m simply saying he doesn’t need to be cut outright, given he’s been able to retire MLB batters before (just recently in May)
i guess its all relative but if i was calling for your demotion, instead of you getting outright fired would i be a supporter?? or a guy calling for your demotion?
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Jul 26, 2008 7:20 PM CDT
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IMHO....
Lieber deserves almost as much respect (at least from the Cubs) as Maddux….no..he won’t make it to the Hall…but he’s given the Cubs his everything…and been a pretty decent pitcher thruout his career.
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by kcjones on
Jul 26, 2008 7:24 PM CDT
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If your numbers were....
W/RISP 2 Outs: 14.09 ERA
W/RISP: 6.38 ERA
RUNNERS ON: 5.81 ERA
BASES EMPTY: 4.37 ERA
LAST 20 IP: 13 EARNED RUNS
I’d fire you.
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on
Jul 26, 2008 7:26 PM CDT
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then Marmol should've been DFA'd
from May 31st to July 12th he gave up 18 ER’s in 17 1/3 innings
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Jul 26, 2008 7:30 PM CDT
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Marmol 26 yrs old, Howry 35.
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by carmen_fanzone on
Jul 26, 2008 7:35 PM CDT
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Lieber's or Howery's?
I’m not following this post as close as I should…sorry all
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by kcjones on
Jul 26, 2008 7:30 PM CDT
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Oh no....the indents .....ahhhhhhh....
Just kiding….
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by kcjones on
Jul 26, 2008 7:31 PM CDT
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Isnt that supporting him???
btw I wasnt being snarky… just imho that is being incredibly supportive. I wasnt judging on whether it is right or not.
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by Madison Cub Fan on
Jul 26, 2008 7:30 PM CDT
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i don't know
i guess it depends on how you looked at it
like i said i’m suggesting he takes a much less prominent role in the pen, so i don’t necessarily think i’m supporting him
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Jul 26, 2008 7:31 PM CDT
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I get what your saying DCF....
..but WHAT situation do you use him in with those numbers above?
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by carmen_fanzone on
Jul 26, 2008 7:34 PM CDT
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and if you use him in those situations and if he fails aren't you automatically reducing his trade value?
by cubsnlinux on
Jul 26, 2008 7:39 PM CDT
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how could his value be ANY lower
than right now? seriously
you think we could get anything for him right now?
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Jul 26, 2008 7:40 PM CDT
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Yes ..I do..not a fair value ..but we should be able to get something ..
by cubsnlinux on
Jul 26, 2008 7:41 PM CDT
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then we should trade him
before DFA’ing him and saying “we’ll take ANYTHING for him to get rid of him”
right?
I mean if there was value for him why would you DFA him and force your hand and tell everyone you’ll take ANYTHING for him
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Jul 26, 2008 7:44 PM CDT
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one's where the game is out of hand
in either direction, use him for a few more weeks in those situations and see what happens
again i wouldn’t mind DFA’ing him IF we had a viable replacement on the forefront, but since we’re not even using the other guys in the pen (Eyre, etc)
so DFA’ing him is just shortening an already short bullpen
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Jul 26, 2008 7:39 PM CDT
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Well, I agree somewhat...
..it would take Lou using his bullpen differently. But I think a combination of Gaudin/Cotts/Eyre would easily replace the Bob Howry of 08. I don’t think putting him in a strictly mop up role will do anything for his performance, we can replace that role with Leiber.
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by carmen_fanzone on
Jul 26, 2008 7:43 PM CDT
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that's fine
but we have time to figure that out before Lieber comes back, etc
and it takes Lou using the pen…. which we need to figure out if he’s willing to do
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Jul 26, 2008 7:45 PM CDT
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agreed
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by carmen_fanzone on
Jul 26, 2008 7:46 PM CDT
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Agree..
Also, I feel Howry has too much good history to just outright give up on him. Pitchers have slumps too.
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by Bump Bailey on
Jul 27, 2008 12:05 AM CDT
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Well, I'd agree with that, too.
Again—if he won’t use Eyre, why is he on the team?
And a lot of this will be settled when Kerry Wood comes back.
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by Al on
Jul 26, 2008 8:13 PM CDT
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Very true
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on
Jul 26, 2008 8:28 PM CDT
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Len and Bob
talked about doing that with Marshall as the platoon partner.
You’d think Gaudin would be perfect for that.
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
by drewishdrewid on
Jul 26, 2008 8:48 PM CDT
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The Marshall - Harden 1-2 punch looked pretty good today....
HIT THE BASEBALL
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by kcjones on
Jul 26, 2008 11:10 PM CDT
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sure
but they also want Marshal to spot start. Can he go 3 innings one day and 6 three days later?
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
by drewishdrewid on
Jul 27, 2008 9:41 AM CDT
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Good ?....
Also…can you afford to have a roster spot doing that…....iit means he’s available only “2 days a week”...give or take….
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by kcjones on
Jul 27, 2008 8:31 PM CDT
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i have a good idea
there pitching fukudome away away away. i would love to see him bunt a few down that 3rd baseline.
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