Someone to Snatch Up ...

by ClarkFan44 on Jul 29, 2008 5:00 AM CDT Comment 52 comments

Wow ... I had no idea that Eyre would be on the market, I like him and thought Lou did as well, he seemed to be rather reliable when he pitched and was healthy, I recall a really nice scoreless streak he had going .... however, a few points:

- Marshall is good enough to stay on this roster and i think we keep him at all costs, if he doesn't go back to the rotation, he has been solid as long relief

- With Marshall and Neal Cotts performing as LH relief ... this makes Eyre expendable ...

- Despite his solid past, Bob Howry's recent troubles coupled with the Shark finally making it to The Show, also makes him expendable ...

- And if anyone is taking, i think Jason Marquis is also an option to go ...

Now what we can get in return from an AL team for him makes all the difference, but a guy I say the Cubs pull the trigger on is Brandon Morrow from Seattle ...

We package Michael Wuertz, Micah Hoffpauir, and Marquis or cash or whomever else for Morrow and a MI .... Seattle is truly the only "seller" team out there who is willing to dump it all ... they have already dumped Sexson and put Erik Bedard up for sale ... they are in the cellar and going nowhere, plus J.J. Putz is back from the DL ...

This might make us RHP heavy, but i think a deal is worth it, Morrow has been money, with a stellar ERA and WHIP and 10 saves ... him coupled with the Shark, Gaudin, Marmol and Wood sounds about as solid as you can get ...

Your thoughts ??

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that's assinine

to think the Cubs could land Morrow for that price…

good god

Brandon Morrow = Carlos Marmol

would you trade Marmol for Wuertz, Hoff, and Marquis????

ugh

by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 29, 2008 7:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I got a great laugh from your reply...

...it was better than morning comics…However, kudos to the original poster for having the stones to post the suggestion, don’t want to discourage risk taking with posts here…If I were Hendry I’d even sweeten that deal by adding Cotts and Eyre, another 5 for 1—LOL!!!

by DudeVf11 on Jul 29, 2008 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

or we could mail them a bag of poop

with a note that reads:

In exchange for bag of poop we’d like Brandon Morrow in return

that’s another idea….

by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 29, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't get so giddy

about the shark. I would like to see him perform at this level for longer than two games. There have been lots of flashes that have come up and tore it up for a game or two and you never heard from them again.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 29, 2008 7:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

+1

Experience is the key word here. I suspect Howry will get things right again. Smarj, while seemingly awesome right now, could blow up in our faces. Wait and see, wait and see.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Jul 29, 2008 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sigh.

Once again, people are making up deals as if these could be made as they are in a fantasy league, done with a couple of mouse clicks. It ain’t that easy.

Unless something spectacular drops into Jim Hendry’s lap, I believe him when he says he’s done dealing.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 29, 2008 7:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

+1 why do people love to arm chair gm?

by cubswynn on Jul 29, 2008 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like posts like this...

It gets us thinking and is fun to hope and dream for. No matter if the trade is realistic or not (although preferably so.)

by fanofthegame on Jul 29, 2008 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If it's not realistic...

... really, what’s the point? Yes, hopes and dreams are great, but if they have no realistic basis, why do it?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 29, 2008 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Another thing that annoys me about posts like this...

...is I’d be willing to be 1,000 BCB points that ClarkFan44 doesn’t come back to try to defend his idea. If you’re gonna throw a hail mary trade out here, at least come back to participate in the discussion or – God forbid – admit that you’re wrong.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 29, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wait a minute -

Aren’t hopes and dreams with no basis in reality were the very essence of being a Cub fan? :-)

But yeah, I agree – much as I’d like to deal, say, Scott Eyre for Derek Jeter, it’s not worth using up the 1s and 0s to discuss it. So I won’t.

"Eighty-five percent of the world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here." - Lee Elia, 1983

"The only thing that bothers me is that I would never want to destroy the love and what the fans of Chicago are to the Chicago Cubs. I mean, God knows. If there's one pure thing in baseball, it is the fans of Chicago." - Lee Elia, 2008

by CaughtInTheVines on Jul 29, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No one wants Hoff or Marquis.

Especially packaged together.

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on Jul 29, 2008 7:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

But their children would be beautiful...

I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com

by digitalbenjamin on Jul 29, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And, probably, left-handed.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 29, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why do people think that someone is

going to take our garbage and castoff for a descent player? The Todd Hundley trade only happens once a decade. It’s not our time yet.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 29, 2008 8:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Plus, Littlefield isn't the Pirates' GM anymore, is he?

I think after our A-Ram trade, we’re on probation from lopsided trades for a while.

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on Jul 29, 2008 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, but

Here in Iowa, we just had our second (or 3rd) 100year flood in the last decade.
So there is always hope.

Although, Howry and Eyre and Wuertz have struggled this year (and eyre struggled last year) the bumpy nature of a relievers life gives value to people with proven records of success. So although they might not fit our plans this year, they are not exactly garbage and castoffs.

by patron on Jul 29, 2008 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Please review Morrow's contract status

and get back to us. Comparing his status to Bedard and Sexson is night and day. On second thought night and day are closer than these situations.

by rlpete on Jul 29, 2008 8:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

There's always hope. I just heard that Minnesota was looking to

pickup LaTroy Hawkins. If they give up more than a bag of balls for him they are nuts. Espn reported that the Yankees were going to DFA him but decided not to when they heard the twins we interested. Maybe the were hoping for a couple of bats to sweeten the deal.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 29, 2008 8:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

In fact, the Yankees DID DFA Hawkins.

“DFA” means they have 10 days to trade or release him. If they had just wanted to dump him, they would have outright-released him.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 29, 2008 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess that shows how weak the market for relievers is.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 29, 2008 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 29, 2008 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

By the way, Isringhausen is back as the

deadbirds closer. His nickname sould be Yo-Yo.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 29, 2008 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sigh...

Jim: Hey Lee, how about Michael Wuertz, Micah Hoffpauir, and Marquis or cash or whomever else for Morrow and a MI?

Lee: Ok Jim (sarcastically), hold on will ya…(dial tone)

You ARE freaking out MAN!

by crw89 on Jul 29, 2008 8:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You forgot the word "package"

The offer would work if Jim had said “a package of….” it makes the other GM think he is getting more.

In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this -Oysterband

by Ross on Jul 29, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I say

Marquis, Eyre, Howry AND Micah for George Sherrill. Then they can bring Wuertz and Ascaino up and move Gaudin to the rotation.

"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti

by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2008 9:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

This would be a great comment if you were being facetions.

But I don’t think you are.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 29, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

how about they throw in

Markakis to even it out?

by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 29, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Seriously though....

Sherrill makes a lot of sense and would be a nice pick up. Our pen could really use him, especially if Wood cannot get past these blister issues and if it meant dealing Howry or Eyre as well. (BTW, what did Eyre do to Lou?)

But, I am not sure how to get him though. Maybe Cedeno for starters? (Maybe then turning toward trading for Eckstein as a backup at SS?)

I think that this IS something that Jim should be looking into – bullpen help. I do not like hearing Hendry say we are staying put as the deadline approaches. Arizona getting Rauch was a nice pick up that we should have looked into as well. Howry and Eyre just do not get us safely to Marmol and Wood any more.

D-LEE!

by airweino on Jul 29, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You're overlooking one minor detail.

Baltimore’s management is a NIGHTMARE to deal with. Perhaps you remember that seldom discussed trade rumor involving the O’s second baseman earlier this year? What’s his name? Rogers? Robbins?

If Hendry couldn’t make that deal work, what makes you think he could push one through for Sherril – especially now that Gallagher is off the table with Oakland? I don’t see a bunch of aging pitchers and Ronny Cedeno getting it done.

Plus, I’m not in panic mode re: the bullpen. This Wood thing will work out eventually and, overall, the Cubs pitching has been good. They just need to score runs more consistently.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 29, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am not overlooking anything, just

wondering why we are not looking at Sherrill.

To clarify, it appears like Baltimore is not able to get the guy (a young SS) they think they should get for Sherrill, so maybe Cedeno is a good starting point. I never claimed Cedeno and either Howry or Eyre would get a deal done – that would be idiotic. There are plenty of younger arms in the minors that might though and Sherrill is worth the price to shorten games any way we can. Sherrill, Marmol, Wood….wow.

And no, I did not forget the early trade rumors for that second sacker of theirs and the subsequent difficulties of dealing with one’s former GM. But times have changes and the season is quickly ending for Baltimore…

I do agree, that the pitching has, as a whole, been solid, but one should never stop looking to make improvements or rely on being able to score more runs when needed (see last year’s playoff series versus Arizona).

D-LEE!

by airweino on Jul 29, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What makes you think Hendry isn't looking or hasn't looked?

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 29, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

His comments

that say he is staying put….no time to find them….

D-LEE!

by airweino on Jul 29, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right, but that doesn't mean he hasn't looked.

I heard Hendry interviewed on Dave Kaplan’s show on WGN radio soon after the Harden deal, and he went out of his way to say how easy it was to deal with Billy Beane. As I recall, he also made a sort of sideways comment about how all GMs in baseball aren’t as upfront and decisive in the trading process as Beane is. My impression was that Hendry was referring to MacPhail & Co. in Baltimore.

Seriously, I think Jimbo’s bad experience with the failed Roberts deal has made it highly unlikely that any deal with Baltimore gets done anytime in the near future.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 29, 2008 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If you want Sherrill

you’ll have to start with some combo of Cedeno, Ceda and Marshall. The Orioles may be difficult to deal with but even they would give a quick no if you ask for Sherill and offer the likes of Howry, Eyre or Marquis.

by rlpete on Jul 29, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought we made it clear

Theriot and Eckstein are like uber-scrappy molecules. You cannot PUT them on the same time, you’ll create a black-hole that will devour us all! Madness! Insanity, I say!

’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)

by drewishdrewid on Jul 29, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

*same TEAM

by drewishdrewid on Jul 29, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

How about Derrek Lee for Mark Teixeria?

In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this -Oysterband

by Ross on Jul 29, 2008 11:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

or fonzie for manny?

by nathew on Jul 29, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would do that one

by Jerry Mumphrey on Jul 29, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well dat cubfan daver ...

I’m here to collect my 1,000 BCB points whatever that means …

And I apologize to everyone for my irrational, un-realistic, and lofty trade proposal … I didn’t realize the value of Morrow was so high … guess I underestimated how good he was and how high all of your baseball knowledge was …

I was only going off of an article I read saying the M’s would deal about anyone at this point … even Bedard or Ichiro … I was thinking a deal for Morrow and some double AA middle infielder might have been doable, but my child like thought was apparently way off … Once again I underestimated Morrow’s value compared to Hoffpauir and everyone else mentioned … In my mind if people are talking about outlandish trades for George Sherril (30 saves, compared to Morrow’s 10) ... then to me this looked like a much more viable option

Once again, I apologize to all … I promise I won’t let it happen again …. I know that I have let you all down with my crazy dreams and wishful thinking … I dont’ know, maybe I was drunk or maybe delusional when typing …. I guess atleast I gave a couple of you a laugh for your morning …

And one last thing, Al … I’m kind of dissapointed … I’m not a baseball GM, I’ve never sat in on a trade discussion, I’ve never went to player meetings or even come close to anything of that nature … I’m just a huge Cubs fan, who is probably a lot younger than most of you and obviously has a lot less baseball knowledge than all of you … but wants to see the Cubbies make it to the big one, just as much as any one who visits this site … and after all your talk about treating every one fair and nice in the game threads … well your replies come off kind of harsh … I may not know about contract negotiations or whatever else ... but i know it’s easier than a fantasy trade …. and lastly all I can say is that I’m really sorry that you feel my post had no point …

"Ryno for President 08"

by ClarkFan44 on Jul 29, 2008 12:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Life is not a video game

I would be that almost every baseball fan has played GM and proposed a trade or two in their life times. But there is a big difference between suggesting a plausible trade and a completely unlikely trade.

The problem with Morrow is that Seattle has no reason to deal him, certainly not for a AA middle infielder. He is one of the lone bright spots on the team and could team up with Putz to make a great 1-2 punch in the pen. If he were a 35-year old, or a guy about to make massive bank through arbitration, maybe there might be a chance.

The reason Sherrill is feasible is the fact that he is probably at his highest worth right now. He is a late bloomer who is having a great season. It makes sense for the Orioles to try to sell high on him. Still, if they deal him, they will be looking for a SS in return. And the O’s have already kicked the tires on Cedeno and walked away, so that it is probably not a solution.

There are a lot of very knowledgeable people on this board, and a lot of people who will rip on you incessantly for saying something they perceived to be boneheaded (some people are both, some are neither). You don’t need to apologize, don’t get down, don’t be annoyed, and by all means, don’t take it personally. It’s a message board about a kids game, for goodness sake.

And if the Cubs DO manage to acquire Morrow for a AA SS, then you can laugh and say that you told all of us that it was going to happen.

In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this -Oysterband

by Ross on Jul 29, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

oops

I would be that = I would bet that

In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this -Oysterband

by Ross on Jul 29, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Damn, this is why I stay out of casinos.

Sigh, here ya go: +1,000.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 29, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Didn't mean to be harsh...

... I just thought that making such a deal was plenty unrealistic, and we have had so many such posts in the last year or so, I kind of roll my eyes when I see another one.

Enjoy your 1000 BCB points—I think you’re leading! :)

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 29, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hey ...

thanks for your reply and your encouraging words … just trying to follow the Cubs the best i can … in all honesty i had no idea the upside on Morrow was that high … just going off his stats that’s all … i have a lap top over here and that’s about it … well it’s bedtime in this part of the world … again thanks for the reply

"Ryno for President 08"

by ClarkFan44 on Jul 29, 2008 1:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I think

that it is the 250 million fanposts about trades before this that is getting people irritated. Morrow is probably gettable, but not for what we have to offer.

by nks6911 on Jul 29, 2008 1:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Morrow

is one of the better pitching prospects in all of baseball, he’s basically doing out of the pen this year what Joba did last year

he’s not really “gettable”, he’s the one young cost-controlled piece they have to build around (other than Clement) and he’s not someone I’d imagine they’d entertain offers for. On top of that they’re sellers, thus in the business of acquiring cheap young talent, not selling it….

by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 29, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

for comparison's sake

it’s like saying we could legitimately get Nick Markakis from the Orioles

it’s ridiculous

by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 29, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Anyone for Arthur Rhodes, instead?

The Cubs relievers vs. Left-handed batters only:

Pitcher / ABs / OPS Against
Eyre / 26 / .835
Cotts / 30 / .726
Marshall / 37 / .928

And Rhodes:
38 AB / .526 OPS

He can really upgrade our LOOGY position, plus Lou’ll trust him, having managed him before. It’s not like Eyre is doing anything besides sitting on the bullpen bench.

by jbau on Jul 29, 2008 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs