Reinforcements: Cubs 6, Giants 5
by Al on Jul 3, 2008 8:27 AM CDT
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Thank heavens, injured and absent Cubs will begin to return today.
Aramis Ramirez, in the Dominican Republic the last three days for the birth of a child, will return in time for today's odd-starting-time 4 pm (PDT) game, and Reed Johnson will be activated from the DL (starting the guessing game: who goes? Matt Murton and Eric Patterson are the likely choices, and I'm thinking it's Murton, since he's a right-handed-hitting outfielder and so is Johnson). And tomorrow, Carlos Zambrano will return from the DL to start against the Cardinals and smartly, the Cubs will send him ahead to St. Louis early today to rest up.
And so, after last night's 6-5 win over the Giants, achieved with the help of a tiebreaking HR by the littlest Cub, 5-7 Mike Fontenot, the Cubs will have a real shot at accomplishing what they needed to coming into this series, a series win, three of four, despite facing the toughest pitcher on the Giants' staff, Tim Lincecum.
Once again, I didn't see most of this game, having to wake at 3 am for work. For the third day in a row, my feeling upon shutting the TV off was how the game finished: I was confident they'd win Monday night, had a feeling they wouldn't come back on Tuesday, and again felt good last night, as Ryan Dempster started off well and even though they should have scored more runs in the second inning, having loaded the bases with nobody out. Dempster should have had his 10th win, but Carlos Marmol had yet another shaky outing. Thanks to Jim Edmonds and Fontenot, and Kerry Wood's 21st save (and even that could have been better), the Cubs maintained their 2.5 game lead over the Cardinals, who waited out a long rain delay and came from behind to beat the Mets 8-7. (Mets. Remember them? Supposed to run away with the NL? They're two games under .500.)
Getting back to Lincecum for a moment, Tom Verducci of Sports Illustrated wrote a long feature on Lincecum which was the cover story in this week's issue, which arrived in my mailbox yesterday -- say, with the fabled SI cover jinx, maybe that's a good sign for the Cubs. Much of the article deals with how Lincecum, not a large man, throws as hard as he does with his unusual mechanics. In discussing mechanics, Verducci goes into detail about a certain former Employee of the Cubs:
Mark Prior is a classic example of a high-performing pitcher who was permitted to break down because of poor mechanics. Ironically, Prior was often hailed for his "flawless" mechanics when the Cubs drafted the righthander out of USC with the No. 2 pick in 2001, though that assessment seems to have been influenced by scouts' preference for his 6' 5", 225-pound body type. Studied closely, his mechanics included two severe red flags: 1) Prior lifted his throwing elbow higher than his shoulder before reaching the loaded position, increasing the stress on his elbow and shoulder; and 2) unlike Lincecum's dynamic late torso rotation, Prior rotated his hips and torso before getting to the loaded position. With the letters of Prior's jersey already facing the target, his arm could not simply "go along for the ride" -- the ride was over, so his arm had to generate all of its own power.
So now we know. Verducci also writes about former Cub #1 draft pick Bobby Brownlie:
Bobby Brownlie was supposed to be Tim Lincecum. A 6-foot righthander from Rutgers who hit 97 mph on the gun, Brownlie was regarded as one of the top pitchers in the 2002 draft. [Rick] Peterson was working as the A's pitching coach at the time. Just before the draft, Oakland G.M. Billy Beane gave Peterson videotapes of some 20 pitchers the A's were considering as draft picks and told him to break down each pitcher not by stuff and performance but by the biomechanics of their deliveries.
The previous winter Peterson had met Brownlie at a banquet and told him, "Hey, I hear you're great. Congratulations, I hear you're going to be a [first round] pick." But when he watched Brownlie on the tape Beane had given him, Peterson says, "I'm literally sick to my stomach. I'm going, 'This is so sad.' "
A few days later, when Beane asked Peterson what he thought of Brownlie, the pitching coach replied, "He has certain characteristics in his delivery that will lead to shoulder problems."
Bingo again. This article should be required reading not only for major league scouts, pitching coaches, managers and general managers, but for all young pitchers who have great arms -- there's a lot of hints in it, many of them from Tim Lincecum's dad, who helped him develop his unconventional style, on how to avoid injury by doing something that's not a natural human motion, pitching a baseball.
Onward to tonight. Let's win this series and then take two of three in St. Louis.
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Thank goodness for the 'early' start
I get treated to a midnight game here in England, and now since I finally have broadband set up in my house, will re-subscribe to MLB.TV this afternoon and watch! It’s been painful living with slow/no internet and only a handful of games on AFN.
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!
by sanantonecub on Jul 3, 2008 8:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, midnight
counts as a civilised hour to start a ballgame when watching from over here. The only good thing about the recent West coast games is they’ve been SO late that I haven’t had to fight the temptation to stay up late and watch.
The Cubs, especially this year, play havok with my sleep patterns. Here’s to them getting back to Wrigley for some more day ((mid-evening here) baseball.
by simonuk on Jul 3, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was asleep and didn't get a chance to post it
Good Win Last Night!
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on Jul 3, 2008 8:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry - someone else posted it.
Not that I mind seeing it again. Respect the mustachioed sign guy!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on Jul 3, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Down goes Lincecum! Down goes Lincecum!
Help me Obi-ONEDEC. You're our only hope.
by IowaCubs- on Jul 3, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This one is awesome
Nice Job!!!
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jul 3, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet. Let's hope!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fantastic!
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on Jul 3, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Our man is everywhere…that’s gold!
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jul 3, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SNEAKY POWER!
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 3, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been posting it since the season started.
But always good to see my guy again.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jul 3, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wood
Of course I’m making an assumption but I think Kerry is going to be at Yankee Stadium on July 15th.
Besides Smoltz how many other pitchers have been to the ASG as both a starter and a reliever?
Most guys who converted were not very good starters so they weren’t all star starters or at least not all star caliber starters (Eckersley for example)
Go Cubs
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jul 3, 2008 8:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You might want to actually check the facts before you post.
Dennis Eckersley was a two-time All-Star as a starting pitcher, in 1977 with Cleveland and in 1982 with Boston, and then four other times with Oakland as a reliever.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 3, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's one more I found...
... just thinking off the top of my head.
Hoyt Wilhelm. Yes, that’s right. All-Star in 1959 as a Baltimore starting pitcher (27 starts that year out of 32 appearances). Four other AS appearances as a reliever.
I’m guessing I could probably find ten others without trying too hard.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 3, 2008 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, maybe ten is a little too many.
But here’s one more: Goose Gossage. All-Star as a White Sox starting pitcher in 1976. Eight other AS appearances as a reliever.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 3, 2008 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure that Derek Lowe was an all-star as starter and reliever too
by bluekoolaide on Jul 3, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, he was.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 3, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You asked this in the game thread last night, too.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sleepy
1:15 AM on the East Coast….Please, Kerry, a little less drama in the ninth inning from now on. Thanks much.
"Don't worry, Joey. We'll go next year. They're in the World Series all the time" ---My grandfather to my sick father, October 10, 1945
by flyingdonut on Jul 3, 2008 8:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was asleep too
and woke to great news, although it was a lot closer than I thought it would be
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jul 3, 2008 8:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wood
Can’t say I’m too disappointed in Wood. Castillo just seems to have Wood’s number: I think he’s now 5 for 7 against Wood with a HR and now a triple. Aside from that triple, Kerry looked really good again, touching 99 on the TV radar, and he was able to throw his nasty slider for strikes both swinging and looking.
by John Q Freejazz on Jul 3, 2008 8:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep, not every save is going to be perfect.
What I like about Kerry lately is that he seems to have gained the ability to stay focused after giving up a hit and finish the job. From where I sit, his evolution into a quality closer seems to be progressing rather nicely.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Said...
He is definitely more comfortable than he was at the beginning of the year. Seems like he is mixing his pitches up better. Nice that he can start a guy off with a slider and get it in the strike zone.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 3, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Pitchers give up hits occassionally. There was drama, but I don’t think it was created by Wood. On a glass half full side, I think the drama was created by Fontenot. Nice work Mike.
by gocubsgo22 on Jul 3, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marmol
really had an up and down inning. The first two batters were put away with ease. Then the trouble began. This glitch needs to be worked out. Bullet Bob came in and threw pretty good. If Howry can throw the 7th, Marmol in the 8th, and Wood in the 9th – that would be a nice combo with power and nasty stuff.
A Cub fan in Cardinal territory.
by FSArkCubsFan on Jul 3, 2008 8:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As long as he gets it out of his system now
All pitchers go through some ups and downs, especially young ones. I’m glad he’s getting this out of his system now. I have faith our staff will get him back in shape and in time for a historical run at a championship.
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on Jul 3, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT is WRONG...
...with Carlos Marmol??? (you just beat me to it)
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jul 3, 2008 8:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
His pitching coach is Uselesschild.
Plain and simple. The slider is ineffective. His front shoulder is flying out, and he is trying to physically make the ball move instead of letting physics move the ball. Thus, most hitters are waiting for him to throw it out of the strikezone and wait for a fastball when he falls behind in the count.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Jul 3, 2008 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So why can't someone help him fix this if Rothschild can't?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 3, 2008 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I mean I could see it...
...if he just ‘Rich Hill’ed it and sucked in general. But he’ll NAIL the first 2 guys sometimes with no problem (see: yesterday), then just slowly (or sometimes quickly) IMPLODE. I don’t get it.
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jul 3, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dunno - i cant answer that.
It was and sometimes is the same problem Wood has – when Wood is off his front shoulder flies open and that pitch goes way outside to righties, or he hits lefties.
Human nature is really the problem, when Marmol and Wood keep that front shoulder closed, their pitches are perfect, and thrown with consistency, but as soon as they start trying to pull a curve ball or slider down or away, the comand is lost.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Jul 3, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al: I have been beating the drum
about Rothschild for three years. I didn’t like him during the Dusty era and I don’t like him now.
I think he has trouble solving our pitcher’s problems and he doesn’t help Geo adjust pitching plans. Look at how Gallagher still has problems the second time through the order. Why can’t Rothschild work with Geo on how to adjust the approach the second time through? Now maybe Sean doesn’t have the tools to adjust, but I doubt it.
I just yearn for the day that we get Maddux back and make him a player/pitching coach and send Larry packing.
Please send the last piece from the Dusty era packing (I know Larry worked for Lou before, so don’t bring it up).
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Jul 3, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought his slider...
...was his effective pitch. I was under the impression the problem is his fastball, which he has a harder time locating. I’d have to watch it again, but I’m pretty sure Durham’s homer was on a high fastball.
And I apologize if you’ve been asked this before, but, while working for the Cubs, did you have some kind of personal encounter with Rothschild that led you to dislike him so much? Anything you’d care to share?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right Daver
It was a 96 mph high fastball that Durham hit out.
The pitch location wasn’t all that different from the one Fontenot hit out.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jul 3, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's another thing - DURHAM???
How strange is that? Did Marmol just figure “No way he’s hitting this and, even if he DOES connect, it’s not going out” and figure 100% wrong? Just weird.
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jul 3, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'd also point out...
...appropos of nothing, that, technically, that was not a home run. The fan who caught it reached out and grabbed it before it hit the green top of the bleacher wall. I believe Len and Bob pointed out that a ball has to clear the top of that wall to be a home run. I’m not seriously suggesting the umps should have ruled it a ground rule double or anything, because I don’t think they ever would. But…just for the record…
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ball was hit really well though...
not sure any other person in the park would NOT have called that a homer.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 3, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and that's why the umps would probably...
...never dare rule against a ball hit like that. One wonders, though, if instant replay were an option, whether Lou would have argued it. Talk about drama…
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am torn on replay
part of me doesn’t like it. It’s always been a game of human error. Umps included. Part of the charm of baseball is to be able to rip the umps and complain. Plus, Dero’s homer in Cincy wouldn’t have counted (the one that was foul by a good 5 feet).
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 3, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, the highlight is available for viewing...
...on Gameday.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly! And Major Leaguers generally don't miss those...
hamster’s included :)
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 3, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And when...
the pitcher (like Marmol) is supplying all the power, 96mph, all the batter needs to do is make a good swing, and boom.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Jul 3, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is my point.
If Marmol cannot get the slider to be affective, what is the point of a hitter to swing at an appeared strike but in actuality it is a ball. (this is tough to say over typing). So the hitters just sit and wait for a fast ball that they can drive. Remember when Marmol would be getting guys to buckle their knees about a month ago with his slider? Now they dont move, they dont swing, they just wait for that fast ball, and if the fast ball is not there, they dont swing. Most MLB hitters want a fast ball to hit, and if the junk aint working, they will wait for that fast ball.
To answer your question, yes a few things. For one he was not too friendly of a guy, and the other situation has something to do with the employee and Wood. I understand the the Employee is totally hated around here, but some of it isnt exactly fair.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Jul 3, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I see what you mean...
...and I agree. On the bright side, I believe, historically, Carlos has been able to throw his slider for strikes more readily than his fast ball. So, if hitters sit on the slider when he has his you-know-what together, they’re going to end up taking a lot of strikes. Alternately, when he loses the slider, he has to be able locate his fastball—and that’s when he gets into trouble.
That’s interesting to hear about Rothschild. From my very, very outside perspective, he doesn’t come off as unlikeable in interviews. But I do detect a certain coldness and distance about him (if that makes any sense), so I’m not completely surprised to learn he rubbed you the wrong way.
That said, I’m not quite prepared to throw Larry under the bus just yet. Carlos looked pretty bad in the Rays series but seems to have made adjustments (presumably with Rothschild’s help) and improved somewhat since. He’s still a young pitcher, and it’s a long season. I guess it would be a little unrealistic to think he’d be as perfect as he was in April and May all year long.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey - here is the deal...
He is a coach of the Cubs, is there better out there, yea. Do i dislike him as a person no. Maybe he was unhappy under baker, i dunno, he just never seemed happy.
Marmol will get it figured out, it is a simple fix, and someone will catch it and get him going again.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Jul 3, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree about the employee....
He was hurt, no one listened. Now his career is gone and he gets shit for taking an extra million guarantee when he KNOWS he will not pitch again. I think Rothschild is a bad coach, period! I guarantee you that IF we had Mazzoni or Duncan, we would not be speaking of Prior in the past tense. And, who knows about Hill? If he has a mental thing, no coach will help…however, I think Rothschild is missing something….
by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Mazzoni
was able to cure Mark Wohlers? No he wasn’t any more than Duncan was able to help Ankiel. Steve Blass disease isn’t easily cured.
Leo might be a better choice but Rothschild isn’t a bad coach when he has a manager who will listen to him. Dusty only listened to Dusty. I don’t think Lou is that kind of guy. The fact that Rothschild is reserved doesn’t mean that he is a bad coach or person.
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
William Wrigley Jr
by bubbamike the one and only on Jul 3, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dusty Wanted Dick Pole
instead of Rothschild. As it was he was allowed to keep Pole as a bench coach, and probably listened to Pole more than Larry. I’ve heard it caused a LOT of problems.
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 3, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone TWSS's the subject line of this post in 5, 4, 3 ...
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Was Gonna
but you can’t TWSS yourself! LOL
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 3, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not without going blind, at least.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jul 3, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I TWSS my own post and I can still see...
it’s a Christmas miracle I tell you.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 3, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but your palms are hairy......take a look!!!!
by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gah!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 3, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rosie Palms
is the name of his girlfriend.
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 3, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm afraid to ask what the screenshot is from...
Teen Wolf 3: Scott Goes Blind… perhaps?
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Jul 3, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's from the "educational film" we were shown in 6th grade.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 3, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope Bald as ever...
Sorry.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 3, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you'll put your eye out.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 3, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Bush In The Hand
is worth two in the….oh, never mind.
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 3, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, no!
She got to my mother!
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jul 3, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure that's not a
TWHS???
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!
by sanantonecub on Jul 3, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IIRC
Pole was Lou’s pitching coach in Seattle.
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
William Wrigley Jr
by bubbamike the one and only on Jul 3, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As Barney Fife Said
“once burnt , lesson learnt”
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 3, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to nitpick, but it's spelled Mazzone...
And having self motivated pitchers like Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz would make any pitching coach look good. Just like hitting coaches who have good hitters on the team, they get too much credit when things are going good, and get too much blame when things are going bad.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jul 3, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Rothschild wasn't nice to you...
If you don’t like Rothschild, that’s fine. It is entirely your perogative. On the other hand; citing the injuries to Wood & Prior as being due to Rothschild is patently false. I, for one, am so tired of hearing how Dusty & Larry ruined Prior & Wood. I got news for you, Wood was ruined by his HS coach, his mechanics are not sound to this day. Good thing for the Cubs that he has found a way to pitch without undue pain; and pitch so effectively to boot. Prior, as well, was not ruined by Rothschild. It has a lot more to do with his Dad and House. Listen, the “employee” is gone, Wood is pitching effectively. Larry Rothschild has been a respected MLB veteran manager & pitching coach for a number of years. He has also served under numerous respected managers. If he really was that bad, he would not continue to get jobs in MLB. Let it go.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 3, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is the beautiful thing about opinions.
Thank you for this rant.
You see what you see, i saw what i saw.
I am not going to get into a discussion of pitching coaches and this and that, it is silly and it will never get any where.
By the way, i didnt cite Rothschild for the injuries of wood and prior. please re-read my post, did i say anything about an injury? No, you assumed so please dont put words in my mouth. I didnt even bring up what had actually happened, thus you cannot draw a conclusion.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Jul 3, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apologies for putting words in your mouth...
That was not my intention. The question now is: what exactly happened with Larry, Wood & Prior that makes you not like Rothschild as a pitching coach? I assumed it would have something to do with pitch counts, mechanics, etc. Glad you liked my post, and yes it could come off as a rant. I, for one, have faith in Lou & his coaching staff. I subscribe to the theory that while I have done all I can to be educated on baseball in as many aspects as possible, (esp. the Cubs); I do not get paid 14 million a year to actually do it.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 3, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No worries....
Put it this way – when you say Prior – you think INJURY. You kinda do the same thing with Wood as well. So i know where the assumptions come from.
I agree – and trust me i can make a very good assumption that Larry is happier under Lou – and i know things under Dusty were not so great for him and basically everyone in the organization.
As far as Larry, my good friend who played in the Majors and is a good friend of Larry, told me that he is a good coach, and he knows how to work with the younger guys – but i have never been able to agree with that (and that is from my opinion not from experience). I think this will happen when he takes something from nothing, and makes it a quality starter (and i am not talking about a guy like Z – that is more talent than anything really).
I too have faith in Lou, and Larry – together i think they work well.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Jul 3, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
House? Why, he's an amazing doctor! Has a diagnosis finally eluded him?!?
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jul 3, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TUNE IN TUESDAY TO FIND OUT!
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jul 3, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitch Selection
Part of it could be shaking off what Soto calls for and falling in love with a certain pitch at a certain time.
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 3, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lincecum's Dad really came off as one of those overbearing fathers in that article.
It mentioned how he demanded nobody mess with his kids windup and things like that. It obviously worked out okay in this case, but I have seen examples of parents like this before and the kid ends up being burnt out and unwilling to play the sport anymore.
Maybe I’m the only one with that opinion, but overbearing parents have caused problems for a lot of kids in the past.
Otherwise that was an amazing read.
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
by nji232 on Jul 3, 2008 8:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Todd Marinovich(?)
Is that who I’m thinking of? The USC QB that had never even tasted fast food, which isn’t a bad thing, and was supposed to be groomed to be an NFL QB and then he was gone? He’s always the first athlete that comes to mind when talking about overbearing parents.
"We are not equations with hats." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Jul 3, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Todd...
I won’t even attempt to spell his last name. The sad thing about him was that once he got to the league and away from his dad he started “indulging” in more than fast food. He had a cocaine problem that didn’t help his struggles on the field.
by Tangled Up In Blue on Jul 3, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true
but it is amazing how successful some of these kids with overbearing parents can be (see Tiger Woods and Venus and Serena Williams).
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jul 3, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Richard Williams
I’m apt to root against Venus adn Serena because of their overbearing loudmouth of a father, but I try to remind myself that it’s the dad I have a problem with and not the ladies themselves.
Barry Sanders’ father was another piece o’ work that caused a lot of needless controversy.
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 3, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did someone mention
Lewis Hamilton?
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
William Wrigley Jr
by bubbamike the one and only on Jul 3, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about little Mikey?
Game winning HR, how he does it I don’t know.
One other thought about the Indians trading CC…..Comcast reported the Indians would probably make it so in the next two weeks. We’ve all heard the likely suspects for the Indians to deal with. If it is true that the Cubs and Brewers are two of the biggest suitors, how can we not offer a little more just so he doesn’ t go to what I consider our biggest threat to win the central this year? I read all the comments yesterday about us not having enough to get him and all of you naysayers that don’t think we have a chance. But, can we really let the Brewers get him? Do what it takes Jim!
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Jul 3, 2008 8:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Hendry is working hard to do this.
I hope it happens right after the ASB.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 3, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO
the Brewers would be a scary team with CC in their rotation. Assuming Sheets stays healthy (big assumption, I know) that is a terrifying 1-1A combination.
Hendry has to do whatever he can to keep CC away from the Brewers. The only encouraging thing is that CC would only be a rental for the Brewers. There is no way the Brewers could afford him long term, right?
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jul 3, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They would be gambling so much on just this year.
Sheets is also a FA who will command a TON of $$$ this winter.
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
by nji232 on Jul 3, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't think
the Brewers will do it. Give up some prime prospects on a guy they know they can’t re-sign. Sheets has already made it known he’s is leaving. Then to give up 3 possibly 4 studs in AA and have CC leave too? Doesn’t make a lot of sense for a franchise that HAS to rely on their prospects.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 3, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree completely
that’s the thing that slightly encourages me about the Cubs chances of getting him-that they supposedly have the resources to sign CC. Can the Brewers put together a better package of prospects? Probably-but, as you say, would they be willing to sell the future for a three month rental?
by bluekoolaide on Jul 3, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To answer your question
I hope not. The brewers have a good crop of younger position players, but they lack the pitching to be a real threat. Adding CC would make the second half of the season very interesting. Seeing as how the Brewers are already likely to lose Prince at some point, you’d think they wouldn’t want to trade any of their highly regarded youngsters.
But this is all hope. You never know what they will actually do.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jul 3, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the guy who is supposed to take Prince's spot, LaPorta
would probably be involved in the deal. So again, I don’t see this happening.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 3, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They might sell the future
The Brewers haven’t been in the postseason since 1982, right? At a certain point they might feel obligated to make a move.
by salparadise23 on Jul 3, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True but...
I think it sets them back more than it helps them. Even with CC I don’t think the Brewers have enough to win the WS. Therefore, I think it would be tough to sell off guys who could help them next year for a 2 month rental and not win it all. But you never know… They very well could. It’s different for them because they can’t go out and get a true #1 as a free agent to replace Sheets or Sabathia.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 3, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheets and CC
would be tough with they way the Brewers hit. I would much rather keep him out of Milwaukee.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Jul 3, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but think of what going after CC
says to Sheets.
If I am Sheets, this tells me that the Brewers don’t intend to resign me (Sheets) next year. I have always thought that Sheets has a very fragile ego. The best thing that could happen is that we (Cubs) get into a bidding war with the Brewers and we sign CC. Sheets gets pissed off and refuses to resign with the Suds after they snubbed him with chasing CC.
I just don’t see how they can afford to keep CC and Sheets, so chasing CC would mean that they don’t want to take any more chances on Sheets’ health. That is how I view it.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Jul 3, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either that or
by pursuing CC the Brewers show a desire to win which appeals to Sheets and he consequently gives a home town discount so that he can stay with the Brewers and head their rotation with CC for a number of years
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jul 3, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The beer drinkers
are only in the C.C. sweepstakes to push up the price for the Cubs. They can’t afford him. Monetaryily and player wise. Milwaukee is not a destination for a pitcher of Sabathia’s ilk. I don’t think he wants to play there, and even if he did- Milwaukee can’t & won’t pony up.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 3, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't bet on that
Milwaukee’s farm system is deeper than the Cubs’
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 3, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it's deeper.
With the money they have invested in the players that they have now, combined with the fact that they won’t be able to sign him at the end of the year precludes them from trading their chips in for a pitcher like C.C., (I’m talking money here).
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 3, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see them giving up LaPorta or Gamel
LaPorta will probably replace Prince and 3rd is a hole for them right now. I think one or both would be the gem of the deal.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 3, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheets has made it clear he is going to free agency
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=765740
If Cleveland can’t resign CC the Brewers won’t…
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 3, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indians manager left him in for 123 pitches last night, makes me think he knows CC won't be there long.
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
by nji232 on Jul 3, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting...
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jul 3, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade for CC
Put him on Geo and Kerry’s diet
"I don't think anybody's paying attention to the Cubs." - Prince Fielder
by jasoniniowa on Jul 3, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CC
Unless Hendry can somehow sneak a boatload of cash into Mark Shapiro’s pockets, or unless Shapiro wants to do the Cubs a favor and accept prospects not as good as those of the Brewers, I doubt we’ll get C.C.. Just my opinion of course, and I’ll be first in line to say “I Was Wrong” if we get him.
Lately I’m inclined (and hoping for) trades to bolster the pitching and bench. Guys I’ve named already include Catalanotto, Nady, Hawpe, Fuentes, Padilla, and Maddux. No blockbuster impact guys like Sabathia, but some solid performers that can round things out.
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 3, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be seeing Padilla
pitch tomorrow in Baltimore
by philadelphiacub on Jul 3, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brownlie
I will always have fond memories of watching him pitch a few scattered games for West Tenn when they visited Birmingham (well, really Hoover, AL). Sitting behind home plate and watching that curve of his was an absolute pleasure. People used to give me strange looks when I would start giggling with joy after a called strike. Unfortunately in that time period, the minor league coaches and scouts were all doing the same thing as me and were not looking to fix his or many of the other pitchers’ bad mechanics. Of all of those vaunted prospects in the early 00’s, Sean Marshall and recently Ricky Nolasco are the only ones I recall who have stayed healthy enough to show a tiny amount of promise in the majors.
by Qixotl on Jul 3, 2008 9:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Brownlie was coming off an injury when the Cubs drafted him.
IIRC had he not been hurt he was projected as possibly the first pick in that draft (the Cubs took him at #21).
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 3, 2008 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nolasco just won last night
9-4?
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 3, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was great to see
Fonty blasting that sneaky HR in the 8th. He’s sporting a new haircut, thank goodness. I’m worried about Marmol and his ill-placed fastballs.
I got a kick out of the Giants “splash hits” tally. What fun to play ballhawk in a kayak.
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jul 3, 2008 9:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The splash hits thing was a great gimick when Bonds was there.
I think he has 44 of the 47 splash hits ever. Now that they pretend he never played for them I think the splash hits thing needs to go.
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
by nji232 on Jul 3, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't it sponsored?
If so, the Giants are making $ from it. That alone probably makes it permanent.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 3, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure it is sponsored, but if that contract ever runs out, I don't see how they keep making a big deal of it when it has only happend 3 times.
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
by nji232 on Jul 3, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a logo right next to it... I forgot what it was.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
by SackMan on Jul 3, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bonds has 33 of the 47
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on Jul 3, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stand corrected...35
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on Jul 3, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think...well, wrong.
http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/sf/ballpark/splashhits.jsp
More like 35/47. How could you forget the immortal Felip Crespo? :-)
It’s a tradition there, for better or worse.
by bison on Jul 3, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or the fact that Corey Patterson is the only Cub to hit one?
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 3, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This list is bogus
Someone please explain to me the 15 HRs that are listed that went into McCovey Cove on the fly, but are not counted as splash hits. All 15 are by Giants opponents, and NONE are by Giants hitters. The odds against that are astronimical.
FWIW, I clearly remember both the Luis Gonzales and Mark Grace HRs and they both hit water on the fly. Certainly, I have heard Gracie refer to his splash down HR many times, so in his mind, it certainly counts as one.
BTW, Mark also hit an upper deck HR in the World Series at Yankee Stadium (Game 4, 2001). I wonder how many non-Yankee players can say that?
azjazzman
by azjazzman on Jul 3, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering the park was built with Bonds in mind...
...and without his 35, only 12 were hit by Giant batters, not so unbelievable.
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 3, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The definition of a splash hit...
...is that a Giant hit it. It’s not bogus; they’re not lying to anyone about the fact that they’re cheating.
by cwyers on Jul 3, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Informal survey...
Does anyone think that Tampa Bay could go all the way this year?
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
by ronsanto10 on Jul 3, 2008 9:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes. 100% yes. They are going to win and win often for years to come.
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
by nji232 on Jul 3, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they could play all their games at home Yes.
They have some good mojo going right now. But it’s all been at Tropicana. I think their youthfulness with catch up to them at some point. However I do think they will be in the playoffs. To win the whole thing? That’s a stretch for me.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 3, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And we all know
Tropicana isn’t a real baseball field.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jul 3, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for sure
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jul 3, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indoor Playground
With catwalks and everything.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 3, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The AL Juice Box
The Tampa fans couldn’t even fill it up. I turned on all three games and there were a lot of Boston fans at the games. Even the Tampa talking heads said that he hoped for a sellout, but didn’t know if they would have one for sure. The crowds did get better game 2 and 3. However, if you can’t fill up the juice box, you don’t deserve a team. That is sad.
A Cub fan in Cardinal territory.
by FSArkCubsFan on Jul 3, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is typical for teams that contend out of nowhere.
They don’t start to sell tickets till the year AFTER they make the playoffs. If the Rays do that, they’ll sell a ton of season tickets for 2009. Their season ticket base is very small right now.
If they continue to win, they’ll start to fill the place after the ASB.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 3, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crowds
ESPN showed a stat where the “Devil” Rays were at July 1 over the last few years and the closest to the top was 10 1/2 games out. You would think that with a team in the lead over ESPN’s favorites that they would come out. They may start the games too late for the retirement crowd. If they were to play at 4 p.m. and offer a discount, they might get more people.
They are an interesting team to watch. They play baseball without a care. They go out and do whatever it takes. I hope they do win the AL East. It would be nice to see ESPN forced to cover them and leave either the Yankees or Sox out of it.
A Cub fan in Cardinal territory.
by FSArkCubsFan on Jul 3, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It takes a while to get any city into a team...
... especially since, as you point out, the closest they had been to 1st place on 7/1 was 10.5 games out.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 3, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
With the Rays in first and the “Mullet” man coaching the Lightning, the people of Tampa should be fired up.
But the attendance issue could be said for a lot of clubs. It took Armed Forces night at SF to pack the house. The night before, you could have had a decent seat down either line.
A Cub fan in Cardinal territory.
by FSArkCubsFan on Jul 3, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Fireworks after the game probably had more to do with it.
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on Jul 3, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep-
most everyone hung around for those.
My first experience with fireworks on a foggy SF night—you hear the boom and the sky changes color, but you don’t see much of the firework iteself.
by bison on Jul 3, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
It’s been unusually clear and sunny in the LA area for this time of year…most of the time it’s cool and overcast until noon, and then the clouds roll back in around 6pm. So this year we should be able to see some fireworks instead of the clouds changing color as Bison described.
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by CaliCub on Jul 3, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You also have to look at the Demographics
of the Area. If it is pre dominately retired folks, then they probably live on a fixed income and can’t afford season tickets…
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on Jul 3, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just wait til October.
If, and when, the Rays make the playoffs, the place’ll sell out. All of a sudden people will come out of the woodwork: the lifelong Rays fans, wearing hats and jerseys bought five minutes previous.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jul 3, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's also mid-summer in Tampa... the time of year
where all the part-time residents are gone up north.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
by SackMan on Jul 3, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the highlights I've seen
That place was packed last night w/ Rays fans.
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on Jul 3, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still, it's the fairweatherness that bothers me.
I realize they’re not that old, nor have they given Tampa Bay fans much to cheer about until this year, but I can’t stand how people start getting into teams when fortune swings their way. It’s bound to happen, I know that, but it’s still bothers me to see all these people with Rays gears on who last year couldn’t have cared less.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jul 3, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is, however, chock full of Vitamin C!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched one of the games with the Red Sox
the Rays RF was in front of the warning track waiting for a fly ball which hit one of the catwalks and landed FAIR behind 1B…..in play??? Wow….how weird…
by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup. Fair ball, too.
Not to mention the warning tracks are made of the same turf the field is, and the appearance of the surface makes it look like it has a rash.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jul 3, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: If they play all their games at home....
I actually think they’re one of the better road teams in all of baseball. Close to or above .500 IIRC. They’ve really impressed me so far, mainly w/ pitching and clutch hitting.
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on Jul 3, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I happen to have the Trib sports section right here...
...and the Rays are currently 19-19 on the road.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crazy good things happen to them at home though.
That was my point.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 3, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One could use that argument against us quite easily
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!
by sanantonecub on Jul 3, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 3, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Helps to have guys how have played in the WS and even won it.
Don’t get me wrong I think the Rays are good. Good enough to make the playoffs whether they win the AL east or the Wildcard. The question was about winning it all. I think their youth and inexperience will catch up to them. MHO.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 3, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I don’t think you can go from not contending to winning it all.
They have great talent, but being in a pennant race is a different animal.
When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out at the field and it's one big glove. ~Vance Law
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 3, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a chance in hell.
They will get overtaken by the Red Sox eventually & lose the division. They might win the wild card, considering how weak the AL West & AL Central are. Go all the way? Not a chance. They are too young, have had no serious injuries, yet… The Red Sox will not sit idle and let Tampa win it, they will improve the team and go right at them.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 3, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
However..
the young Marlins won in 2003.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
by ronsanto10 on Jul 3, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Marlins were not that young...
They had Willis, Cabrera, Gonzalez: all young. The core of that team was not nearly as young as the core of the Devil Rays. (I know they call themselves the Rays now, but that is the dumbest name for a team, ever…).
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 3, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pudge, D-Lee, Mike Lowell, Conine, Hollandsworth, Encarnacion
They certainly weren’t as young as these Rays. In fact there was quite a bit of veteran leadership on that team.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 3, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The manager, too
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jul 3, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Was going to bring that up. Which is huge. Probably the biggest point. I really never heard of this Maddon guy and to be honest. I didn’t know who the coach was until the Cubs played them.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 3, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maddon:
while a new manager, is not young. He is a veteran coach in the AL, coming from the Angels organization. He is a quite astute baseball man.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 3, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The D-Backs
made it to the World Series last year as a similarly youthful team. So to say “not a chance” is a little strong. I would say unlikely, but that there is a chance.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jul 3, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rockies went to the WS last year.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 3, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
i tuned out after the Cubs got handled by the D-Backs
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jul 3, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I basically did too but had to watch some of the WS.
Too big of a baseball fan not to.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 3, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched too
but the WS clearly didn’t last long enough for me to remember who lost ;)
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jul 3, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and by the way...
Please don’t bring up the Marlins of 2003 as an example ever again.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 3, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
...I think they could do it. By no means do I think it’s even near a certainty yet but, right now, they look like a Team of Destiny. We’ll see whether and how they’re able to soldier through the second half of the season, though.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, they can, absolutely.
Incidentally, the Red Sox are currently only 2.5 games ahead of the Twins for the wild-card lead. Can you imagine a year when neither the Yankees nor Red Sox makes the playoffs?
TV network sports executives would commit suicide, but we fans outside of NY and Boston would love it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 3, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think I'd like to see the Rays make the playoffs...
...just for that reason. If I’m not mistaken, they’ve swept the Red Sox twice this year. That’s pretty freakin’ impressive and takes a little bit of the sting out of the Rays sweep of the Cubs.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly
on taking the sting out of our sweep.
It would make for sweet redemption if we played them again.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jul 3, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See
Thats where the Cubs HAVE to step in and win it all
This way the Cubs will be saving lives in the playoffs instead of taking them as is the usual case with the Cubs.
See 2003 and 2007 as examples.
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
"Thats deep to left.....back back back HEY HEY!!! he did it attaboy Jimmy!!!!! woooooooo!!! tie game!! Thats for you Jack" Len Kasper 6/12/08
by Galvan316 on Jul 3, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you talking about?
Taking lives, saving lives, citing ‘03 & ‘07?
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 3, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Proven Fact
Suicide rates jumped 11% in October 2003 and 2007
Another Fact is that most statistics are made up
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
"Thats deep to left.....back back back HEY HEY!!! he did it attaboy Jimmy!!!!! woooooooo!!! tie game!! Thats for you Jack" Len Kasper 6/12/08
by Galvan316 on Jul 3, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see.
Let’s not talk about suicide.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 3, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, 90% of them 35 to 60% of the time
they are patently 20% true or false….
by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
90 % of all statistics are made up on the spot
44% of people know that.
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on Jul 3, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
60% of the time it works ALL the time.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 3, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And all generalizations are false
including this one.
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jul 3, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Generally speaking, of course.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jul 3, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would generally agree with that.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
million to one chances happen
nine times out of ten.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 3, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely......
they reek of talent, have the best talent in MLB, in my opinion. Young but truly talented.
by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They've Handled The Competition Well
with the exception of the Angels. So unless the get a case of the yips I think the Rays will be in the playoffs this year.
Another team they remind me of is the 1991 Braves. Young guys that finished last the year before and won the pennant.
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 3, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What sucks for me is a 4pm start is still 2am here in kuwait. Plus, even though we can get MLB.TV over here, the internet doesn’t stream it well so I haven’t been able to see very much of any of the games. I’ve seen 1 complete game I think.
Nice to see that the cubs are in a position to take 3 outta 4 from this series. I think the white sox series really drained them, so it’s nice to see them coming back. The crucial series will be this weekend against the cardinals. 2 outta 3 is a must.
I thought that maybe the hitters were getting a book on marmol, and learning what his tendencies are, and that he needs to start pitching more with his mind then his arm. Let’s hope he works that out.
I don’t think Tampa Bay goes all the way this year becuase they still have to contend with Boston, the Yankees and probably the angels. Don’t think they can overcome all three this year.
by nmcubsfan on Jul 3, 2008 9:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
At least there is AFN
Last nights game was at 3am for me live on AFN… I didn’t even try to watch… but at 5am in Kuwait it’s easily doable. But I’m sure you echo me saying the best case scenario is an afternoon start from Wrigley… 7pm England/9pm Kuwait
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!
by sanantonecub on Jul 3, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
New road hats?
Were those brand new hats the Cubs were wearing last night, or have they worn them before? Blue bill, and the “C” looked white or silvery.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jul 3, 2008 9:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They were, I think, being called the "Stars and Stripes" caps because of the tribute to the military, both teams wore them
both the C and SF were red, white and blue
by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beat me to it...
Thanks for clarifying, Crazymoutain….
by Tangled Up In Blue on Jul 3, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I noticed the SF hats were different too. I didn’t see any red in either logo, but the colors in the MLB.TV were kind of washed out. In the pic above, it looks like there may be some red in there.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jul 3, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. All 30 teams will wear them during 4th of July
And on Sept. 11 as part of a “Welcome Back Veterans” program.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
by SackMan on Jul 3, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
American Flag
Not sure exactly, but it looks as if there are stars in the “C”. Perphaps an early 4th tribute incorporating the Flag into the hats? Just guessing…
Could be a bad picture for all I know. Didn’t get a chance to see the game last night.
by Tangled Up In Blue on Jul 3, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like those hats a lot.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 3, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do too...
and I also think the tribute to our kids shouldn’t be a once a season thing….....
by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would you do?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 3, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Padres set aside tickets solely for
Marines, sailors and their families for just about every home game. They also let the Marines bring the senior platoon of recruits to the game fairly regularly.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 3, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes they do....
and their desert camo uni’s are great, also a reminder….
by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, they are a great reminder
and a nice gesture…but to call the uni’s themselves great is a bit of a stretch.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jul 3, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I'm still working on my first cup of coffee.....
the tribute is what is great…you are right, as uni’s, without any meaning, well….....
by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care for the uni's
but the sentiment is much appreciated. I still remember my boot camp game. They flashed that we were there on the scoreboard and the fans sitting below us stood up, turned around, and gave us a standing ovation. Good times.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 3, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love that about san diego
some cities take their bases for granted, but san diego seems to realize and appreicate it.
When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out at the field and it's one big glove. ~Vance Law
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 3, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, a color guard for every game would be nice...
Have a permanent sign on the OF doors, instead of the ad….
Make the falling towers a required commercial for every game, hell, every show on TV…..
Make it known that Islam has been at war with us since 1979…and for once, we are fighting back….(ok, here come all the Crusades posts…just remember the Moors wanted Spain, which started it all….)
There are so many things, Al….Our kids are watching the games and aren’t recognized in every game. Yet they are in the sandbox while we try to figure out which beer we want at the concession. I just think our kids do NOT get enough respect, PERIOD.
by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry, it's spelled Moops.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jul 3, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
um
I don’t think that’s appropriate at all. Rampant enforced patriotism becomes rote and a chore, and not patriotism at all.
Neither do I think the politics expressed are appropriate on this board.
If you want to respect the military, get them out of teh big mistake that is Iraq. And now, I’ll shut up.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 3, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This portion of the thread will stop right here.
Thank you.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 3, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
screeeeeeeeeeech!!!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+awesome
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jul 3, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I thought
the ones with the white borders were optional ;)
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jul 3, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was asked "what would I do"....
Sorry you don’t like my views and feel they need to be censored.
by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
Al or anyone is censoring anyone. As long as we stick to the Cubs, baseball, and more or less tangentially related topics, this board and nearly everyone here rolls along just fine. But if we begin discussions about politics, religion, or any of the myriad issues that many of us have very strong feelings about, myself included, this blog will become nothing more than a war room. And, because of the anonymity of the web, it’s simply not a conducive place for those topics; the medium doesn’t typically foster any real discussion. Incendiary posts ensue.
Al’s just trying to keep us all on the same page. It’s not a censoring issue.
"We are not equations with hats." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Jul 3, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo.
Well said.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jul 3, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 3, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other Cub Boards
have a Politics and Religion topic, but it only serves to foster attitudes, self-importance, strawmen, and basically a lot of unnecessary conflict. Mom and Dad were right – never discuss those two topics in public (and child-rearing).
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 3, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was replying to drewish....
I said nothing about Al censoring my views. Al asked the question, I answered it.
by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not saying
you meant that Al was censoring, but you mentioned that your views were being censored. My reply was simply that no one here was censoring anyone about anything. Your reply to Al was fine, but it was also the beginning of an errant thread. Drewish obviously disagreed with you, and his post was a continuation of your conversation, not a call to censorship (though he did say, correctly, that as a rule we avoid those discussions around here). We all saw the conversation, you on one end, Drewish on the other, and what Al did was halt the conversation in its tracks. No harm done.
Coincidentally, I have extremely strong views about the military and Islam, etc., too. It’s been difficult to keep them under wraps while posting here because I naturally want to jump into the fray. But Al’s right: let’s all keep focused on why we’re here in this particular board.
"We are not equations with hats." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Jul 3, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I said drewish FELT they needed to be censored.....
nothing more…..
by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that they needed to be censored, but
I happen to be very offended by your remarks. I choose to move on from them, and not offend you in return. I don’t think that’s censorship, just common courtesy.
by princefieldersdiet on Jul 3, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember the Beatles
and Let It Be.
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
William Wrigley Jr
by bubbamike the one and only on Jul 3, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yours offend me....so.....no biggie to me
back to the Cubs…..
by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is simply not the place.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 3, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
This is a baseball blog. If we want to discuss politics, religion, abortion, etc., there are plenty of other blogs to voice our individual views.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jul 3, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jul 3, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Kegler
well done.
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jul 3, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Islam has been at war with who?
The people who try to steal their land? Oh, that’s really wrong of them.
by princefieldersdiet on Jul 3, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 3, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"What's All This Then?"
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 3, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank You, Jimmy Carter
for not doing your job properly.
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 3, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's that mean, exactly?
by princefieldersdiet on Jul 3, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like Forrest Says
“That’s all I got to say about that”.
Let’s sweep the Cards!
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 3, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, I guess.
Let’s just try not to assume that everyone shares the same political views we do. But let’s move on, and I agree, lets take this tonight and then pound those redbirds.
by princefieldersdiet on Jul 3, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Apologize
Here I was saying that Politics & Religion shouldn’t be discussed and I did it anyhow. Uncalled for and I apologize to you.
A dear co-worker of mine is Iranian and I harbor no ill will towards her. And my wife works with a Muslim and they get along great. Like everything else it’s the 5% that ruins it for everyone else.
Again I’m sorry, and let’s go pound St. Louis!
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 3, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Started before Spain
but this isn’t the place to discuss that. also we are not at war with Islam and Islam isn’t at war with us. Elements of Islamic believers are and we are with them. But they are not “Islam” any more than we are “Christianity.”
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
William Wrigley Jr
by bubbamike the one and only on Jul 3, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you, well said.
Now let’s move on, and talk Cubs.
by princefieldersdiet on Jul 3, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they had
a pretty nice, long tribute to the troops before the game last night. had a member of each branch of service on the field with their families. lot of nice stories and really good support and applause from the crowd. i’m always a little nervous about these things in SF, hoping there are no boos in the crowd. but it was really nice, i thought.
but those giants hats looked purple from the stands. couldn’t figure out what was up with them.
by billywan on Jul 3, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Haven’t bought a new Cubs hat in years. That will be my next one!
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 3, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can buy one if you want.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 3, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Al, think I'll get one too.
I wish they had something like that all the time for their road caps. I’ve never liked the red billed ones.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jul 3, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Never liked two colored caps in general.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
by SackMan on Jul 3, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Astros Version
would look cool, with the stars and stripes set inside their star logo.
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 3, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pictured...
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!
by sanantonecub on Jul 3, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interested in what the Blue Jays are doing?
Maple Leaf Pride!
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!
by sanantonecub on Jul 3, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice!
Still, I bet the Nationals sells the most.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jul 3, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a big fan, myself
Personally, I like Seattle’s hat best.
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!
by sanantonecub on Jul 3, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, the 'Stros definitely looks better.
I simply meant because of the Nats being in the nation’s capital the odds of random sales is higher. Especially on the July 4th weekend.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jul 3, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
better than a hockey puck, I suppose
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jul 3, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winning Pitcher ?
Is it true that the official scorer has the option of naming the Winning Pitcher in a game?
If ever there was a situation where this should happen last night was it. Dempster pitched a solid game and certainly deserved the W.
Can anyone recall a case where one of baseball scoring’s great inequities has been overuled ?
by slide on Jul 3, 2008 9:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You only get the option when...
... there’s no clear “winner” and the starter hasn’t pitched enough innings.
The scorer COULD have given Dempster the win even though Marmol was the pitcher of record.
I can’t recall this happening in recent years.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 3, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kinda wish they'd do it more often.
Demp really deserved the win last night.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I only thought they could have given it to
Howry if Marmol didn’t get it. I maybe wrong but am pretty sure Dempster couldn’t have gotten the W.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 3, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dempster should have gotten the win.
Marmol should have gotten his ass kicked.
Just my $0.02. :)
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jul 3, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better than a shot to the face, I suppose.
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on Jul 3, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of which
anyone see Barrett’s foul ball last night? Ouch.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jul 3, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except he's still one of our best relievers.
So no injuries…
by princefieldersdiet on Jul 3, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prior
Just putting this here so it doesn’t get lost in the shuffle.
Is there some sort of general consensus that Prior will never pitch again that I didn’t know about? I’m seriously asking.
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jul 3, 2008 10:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure about a general consensus...
...but, given the events of this season, the likelihood of that coming to pass has gotten greater. IIRC, he’s been shut down indefinitely … again.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't look too happy about it, either.
“Injury Note 60-day DL as of Mar 26, 2008 (Right shoulder surgery – out for season)”
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jul 3, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what?
Does this guy EVER smile? I mean seriously, like EVER???
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jul 3, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's just an employee, doing a job.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Jul 3, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
emo employee..
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Jul 3, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs