Reinforcements: Cubs 6, Giants 5
Thank heavens, injured and absent Cubs will begin to return today.
Aramis Ramirez, in the Dominican Republic the last three days for the birth of a child, will return in time for today's odd-starting-time 4 pm (PDT) game, and Reed Johnson will be activated from the DL (starting the guessing game: who goes? Matt Murton and Eric Patterson are the likely choices, and I'm thinking it's Murton, since he's a right-handed-hitting outfielder and so is Johnson). And tomorrow, Carlos Zambrano will return from the DL to start against the Cardinals and smartly, the Cubs will send him ahead to St. Louis early today to rest up.
And so, after last night's 6-5 win over the Giants, achieved with the help of a tiebreaking HR by the littlest Cub, 5-7 Mike Fontenot, the Cubs will have a real shot at accomplishing what they needed to coming into this series, a series win, three of four, despite facing the toughest pitcher on the Giants' staff, Tim Lincecum.
Once again, I didn't see most of this game, having to wake at 3 am for work. For the third day in a row, my feeling upon shutting the TV off was how the game finished: I was confident they'd win Monday night, had a feeling they wouldn't come back on Tuesday, and again felt good last night, as Ryan Dempster started off well and even though they should have scored more runs in the second inning, having loaded the bases with nobody out. Dempster should have had his 10th win, but Carlos Marmol had yet another shaky outing. Thanks to Jim Edmonds and Fontenot, and Kerry Wood's 21st save (and even that could have been better), the Cubs maintained their 2.5 game lead over the Cardinals, who waited out a long rain delay and came from behind to beat the Mets 8-7. (Mets. Remember them? Supposed to run away with the NL? They're two games under .500.)
Getting back to Lincecum for a moment, Tom Verducci of Sports Illustrated wrote a long feature on Lincecum which was the cover story in this week's issue, which arrived in my mailbox yesterday -- say, with the fabled SI cover jinx, maybe that's a good sign for the Cubs. Much of the article deals with how Lincecum, not a large man, throws as hard as he does with his unusual mechanics. In discussing mechanics, Verducci goes into detail about a certain former Employee of the Cubs:
Mark Prior is a classic example of a high-performing pitcher who was permitted to break down because of poor mechanics. Ironically, Prior was often hailed for his "flawless" mechanics when the Cubs drafted the righthander out of USC with the No. 2 pick in 2001, though that assessment seems to have been influenced by scouts' preference for his 6' 5", 225-pound body type. Studied closely, his mechanics included two severe red flags: 1) Prior lifted his throwing elbow higher than his shoulder before reaching the loaded position, increasing the stress on his elbow and shoulder; and 2) unlike Lincecum's dynamic late torso rotation, Prior rotated his hips and torso before getting to the loaded position. With the letters of Prior's jersey already facing the target, his arm could not simply "go along for the ride" -- the ride was over, so his arm had to generate all of its own power.
So now we know. Verducci also writes about former Cub #1 draft pick Bobby Brownlie:
Bobby Brownlie was supposed to be Tim Lincecum. A 6-foot righthander from Rutgers who hit 97 mph on the gun, Brownlie was regarded as one of the top pitchers in the 2002 draft. [Rick] Peterson was working as the A's pitching coach at the time. Just before the draft, Oakland G.M. Billy Beane gave Peterson videotapes of some 20 pitchers the A's were considering as draft picks and told him to break down each pitcher not by stuff and performance but by the biomechanics of their deliveries.
The previous winter Peterson had met Brownlie at a banquet and told him, "Hey, I hear you're great. Congratulations, I hear you're going to be a [first round] pick." But when he watched Brownlie on the tape Beane had given him, Peterson says, "I'm literally sick to my stomach. I'm going, 'This is so sad.' "
A few days later, when Beane asked Peterson what he thought of Brownlie, the pitching coach replied, "He has certain characteristics in his delivery that will lead to shoulder problems."
Bingo again. This article should be required reading not only for major league scouts, pitching coaches, managers and general managers, but for all young pitchers who have great arms -- there's a lot of hints in it, many of them from Tim Lincecum's dad, who helped him develop his unconventional style, on how to avoid injury by doing something that's not a natural human motion, pitching a baseball.
Onward to tonight. Let's win this series and then take two of three in St. Louis.
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Thank goodness for the 'early' start
I get treated to a midnight game here in England, and now since I finally have broadband set up in my house, will re-subscribe to MLB.TV this afternoon and watch! It’s been painful living with slow/no internet and only a handful of games on AFN.
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!
by sanantonecub on Jul 3, 2008 8:35 AM CDT 0 recs
Yes, midnight
counts as a civilised hour to start a ballgame when watching from over here. The only good thing about the recent West coast games is they’ve been SO late that I haven’t had to fight the temptation to stay up late and watch.
The Cubs, especially this year, play havok with my sleep patterns. Here’s to them getting back to Wrigley for some more day ((mid-evening here) baseball.
by simonuk on
Jul 3, 2008 9:04 AM CDT
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Thirded
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on
Jul 3, 2008 9:11 AM CDT
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I was asleep and didn't get a chance to post it
Good Win Last Night!

"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on Jul 3, 2008 8:39 AM CDT 0 recs
Don't worry - someone else posted it.
Not that I mind seeing it again. Respect the mustachioed sign guy!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Jul 3, 2008 8:48 AM CDT
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Word
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on
Jul 3, 2008 8:54 AM CDT
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Down goes Lincecum! Down goes Lincecum!

Help me Obi-ONEDEC. You're our only hope.
by IowaCubs- on
Jul 3, 2008 2:18 PM CDT
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This one is awesome
Nice Job!!!
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on
Jul 3, 2008 2:20 PM CDT
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Fantastic!
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on
Jul 3, 2008 2:55 PM CDT
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LOL
Our man is everywhere…that’s gold!
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on
Jul 3, 2008 3:42 PM CDT
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SNEAKY POWER!
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on
Jul 3, 2008 9:43 AM CDT
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I've been posting it since the season started.
But always good to see my guy again.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on
Jul 3, 2008 9:51 AM CDT
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Wood
Of course I’m making an assumption but I think Kerry is going to be at Yankee Stadium on July 15th.
Besides Smoltz how many other pitchers have been to the ASG as both a starter and a reliever?
Most guys who converted were not very good starters so they weren’t all star starters or at least not all star caliber starters (Eckersley for example)
Go Cubs
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jul 3, 2008 8:41 AM CDT 0 recs
You might want to actually check the facts before you post.
Dennis Eckersley was a two-time All-Star as a starting pitcher, in 1977 with Cleveland and in 1982 with Boston, and then four other times with Oakland as a reliever.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 3, 2008 8:51 AM CDT
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Here's one more I found...
... just thinking off the top of my head.
Hoyt Wilhelm. Yes, that’s right. All-Star in 1959 as a Baltimore starting pitcher (27 starts that year out of 32 appearances). Four other AS appearances as a reliever.
I’m guessing I could probably find ten others without trying too hard.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 3, 2008 8:53 AM CDT
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Well, maybe ten is a little too many.
But here’s one more: Goose Gossage. All-Star as a White Sox starting pitcher in 1976. Eight other AS appearances as a reliever.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 3, 2008 8:56 AM CDT
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I'm pretty sure that Derek Lowe was an all-star as starter and reliever too
by bluekoolaide on
Jul 3, 2008 9:30 AM CDT
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Yes, he was.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 3, 2008 9:41 AM CDT
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You asked this in the game thread last night, too.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Jul 3, 2008 8:56 AM CDT
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Sleepy
1:15 AM on the East Coast….Please, Kerry, a little less drama in the ninth inning from now on. Thanks much.
"Don't worry, Joey. We'll go next year. They're in the World Series all the time" ---My grandfather to my sick father, October 10, 1945
by flyingdonut on Jul 3, 2008 8:46 AM CDT 0 recs
I was asleep too
and woke to great news, although it was a lot closer than I thought it would be

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jul 3, 2008 8:47 AM CDT 0 recs
Wood
Can’t say I’m too disappointed in Wood. Castillo just seems to have Wood’s number: I think he’s now 5 for 7 against Wood with a HR and now a triple. Aside from that triple, Kerry looked really good again, touching 99 on the TV radar, and he was able to throw his nasty slider for strikes both swinging and looking.
by John Q Freejazz on Jul 3, 2008 8:49 AM CDT 0 recs
Wood
really made easy work of Lewis for the final out. Just a nasty pitch sequence to get that final out.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on
Jul 3, 2008 8:51 AM CDT
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Yep, not every save is going to be perfect.
What I like about Kerry lately is that he seems to have gained the ability to stay focused after giving up a hit and finish the job. From where I sit, his evolution into a quality closer seems to be progressing rather nicely.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Jul 3, 2008 8:54 AM CDT
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Well Said...
He is definitely more comfortable than he was at the beginning of the year. Seems like he is mixing his pitches up better. Nice that he can start a guy off with a slider and get it in the strike zone.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on
Jul 3, 2008 9:12 AM CDT
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+1
Pitchers give up hits occassionally. There was drama, but I don’t think it was created by Wood. On a glass half full side, I think the drama was created by Fontenot. Nice work Mike.
by gocubsgo22 on
Jul 3, 2008 9:17 AM CDT
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Marmol
really had an up and down inning. The first two batters were put away with ease. Then the trouble began. This glitch needs to be worked out. Bullet Bob came in and threw pretty good. If Howry can throw the 7th, Marmol in the 8th, and Wood in the 9th – that would be a nice combo with power and nasty stuff.
A Cub fan in Cardinal territory.
by FSArkCubsFan on Jul 3, 2008 8:53 AM CDT 0 recs
As long as he gets it out of his system now
All pitchers go through some ups and downs, especially young ones. I’m glad he’s getting this out of his system now. I have faith our staff will get him back in shape and in time for a historical run at a championship.
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on
Jul 3, 2008 8:57 AM CDT
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WHAT is WRONG...
...with Carlos Marmol??? (you just beat me to it)
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Jul 3, 2008 8:53 AM CDT 0 recs
His pitching coach is Uselesschild.
Plain and simple. The slider is ineffective. His front shoulder is flying out, and he is trying to physically make the ball move instead of letting physics move the ball. Thus, most hitters are waiting for him to throw it out of the strikezone and wait for a fastball when he falls behind in the count.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on
Jul 3, 2008 8:55 AM CDT
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So why can't someone help him fix this if Rothschild can't?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 3, 2008 8:56 AM CDT
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Yeah, I mean I could see it...
...if he just ‘Rich Hill’ed it and sucked in general. But he’ll NAIL the first 2 guys sometimes with no problem (see: yesterday), then just slowly (or sometimes quickly) IMPLODE. I don’t get it.
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on
Jul 3, 2008 8:57 AM CDT
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i dunno - i cant answer that.
It was and sometimes is the same problem Wood has – when Wood is off his front shoulder flies open and that pitch goes way outside to righties, or he hits lefties.
Human nature is really the problem, when Marmol and Wood keep that front shoulder closed, their pitches are perfect, and thrown with consistency, but as soon as they start trying to pull a curve ball or slider down or away, the comand is lost.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on
Jul 3, 2008 9:03 AM CDT
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Al: I have been beating the drum
about Rothschild for three years. I didn’t like him during the Dusty era and I don’t like him now.
I think he has trouble solving our pitcher’s problems and he doesn’t help Geo adjust pitching plans. Look at how Gallagher still has problems the second time through the order. Why can’t Rothschild work with Geo on how to adjust the approach the second time through? Now maybe Sean doesn’t have the tools to adjust, but I doubt it.
I just yearn for the day that we get Maddux back and make him a player/pitching coach and send Larry packing.
Please send the last piece from the Dusty era packing (I know Larry worked for Lou before, so don’t bring it up).
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on
Jul 3, 2008 2:17 PM CDT
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+1
Had a post about Marmol written 10 minutes ago and got busy here. That’s what I get for working.
"We are not equations with hats." -Dean Young
by Kegler on
Jul 3, 2008 8:57 AM CDT
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I thought his slider...
...was his effective pitch. I was under the impression the problem is his fastball, which he has a harder time locating. I’d have to watch it again, but I’m pretty sure Durham’s homer was on a high fastball.
And I apologize if you’ve been asked this before, but, while working for the Cubs, did you have some kind of personal encounter with Rothschild that led you to dislike him so much? Anything you’d care to share?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Jul 3, 2008 9:00 AM CDT
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You're right Daver
It was a 96 mph high fastball that Durham hit out.
The pitch location wasn’t all that different from the one Fontenot hit out.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on
Jul 3, 2008 9:01 AM CDT
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That's another thing - DURHAM???
How strange is that? Did Marmol just figure “No way he’s hitting this and, even if he DOES connect, it’s not going out” and figure 100% wrong? Just weird.
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on
Jul 3, 2008 9:03 AM CDT
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Yeah, I'd also point out...
...appropos of nothing, that, technically, that was not a home run. The fan who caught it reached out and grabbed it before it hit the green top of the bleacher wall. I believe Len and Bob pointed out that a ball has to clear the top of that wall to be a home run. I’m not seriously suggesting the umps should have ruled it a ground rule double or anything, because I don’t think they ever would. But…just for the record…
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Jul 3, 2008 9:07 AM CDT
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Ball was hit really well though...
not sure any other person in the park would NOT have called that a homer.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on
Jul 3, 2008 9:20 AM CDT
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Yeah, and that's why the umps would probably...
...never dare rule against a ball hit like that. One wonders, though, if instant replay were an option, whether Lou would have argued it. Talk about drama…
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Jul 3, 2008 9:24 AM CDT
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I am torn on replay
part of me doesn’t like it. It’s always been a game of human error. Umps included. Part of the charm of baseball is to be able to rip the umps and complain. Plus, Dero’s homer in Cincy wouldn’t have counted (the one that was foul by a good 5 feet).
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on
Jul 3, 2008 9:29 AM CDT
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Yep, the highlight is available for viewing...
...on Gameday.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Jul 3, 2008 9:04 AM CDT
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Exactly! And Major Leaguers generally don't miss those...
hamster’s included :)
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on
Jul 3, 2008 9:18 AM CDT
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And when...
the pitcher (like Marmol) is supplying all the power, 96mph, all the batter needs to do is make a good swing, and boom.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on
Jul 3, 2008 9:23 AM CDT
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That is my point.
If Marmol cannot get the slider to be affective, what is the point of a hitter to swing at an appeared strike but in actuality it is a ball. (this is tough to say over typing). So the hitters just sit and wait for a fast ball that they can drive. Remember when Marmol would be getting guys to buckle their knees about a month ago with his slider? Now they dont move, they dont swing, they just wait for that fast ball, and if the fast ball is not there, they dont swing. Most MLB hitters want a fast ball to hit, and if the junk aint working, they will wait for that fast ball.
To answer your question, yes a few things. For one he was not too friendly of a guy, and the other situation has something to do with the employee and Wood. I understand the the Employee is totally hated around here, but some of it isnt exactly fair.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on
Jul 3, 2008 9:08 AM CDT
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OK, I see what you mean...
...and I agree. On the bright side, I believe, historically, Carlos has been able to throw his slider for strikes more readily than his fast ball. So, if hitters sit on the slider when he has his you-know-what together, they’re going to end up taking a lot of strikes. Alternately, when he loses the slider, he has to be able locate his fastball—and that’s when he gets into trouble.
That’s interesting to hear about Rothschild. From my very, very outside perspective, he doesn’t come off as unlikeable in interviews. But I do detect a certain coldness and distance about him (if that makes any sense), so I’m not completely surprised to learn he rubbed you the wrong way.
That said, I’m not quite prepared to throw Larry under the bus just yet. Carlos looked pretty bad in the Rays series but seems to have made adjustments (presumably with Rothschild’s help) and improved somewhat since. He’s still a young pitcher, and it’s a long season. I guess it would be a little unrealistic to think he’d be as perfect as he was in April and May all year long.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Jul 3, 2008 9:22 AM CDT
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Hey - here is the deal...
He is a coach of the Cubs, is there better out there, yea. Do i dislike him as a person no. Maybe he was unhappy under baker, i dunno, he just never seemed happy.
Marmol will get it figured out, it is a simple fix, and someone will catch it and get him going again.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on
Jul 3, 2008 9:34 AM CDT
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I agree about the employee....
He was hurt, no one listened. Now his career is gone and he gets shit for taking an extra million guarantee when he KNOWS he will not pitch again. I think Rothschild is a bad coach, period! I guarantee you that IF we had Mazzoni or Duncan, we would not be speaking of Prior in the past tense. And, who knows about Hill? If he has a mental thing, no coach will help…however, I think Rothschild is missing something….
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Jul 3, 2008 9:24 AM CDT
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So Mazzoni
was able to cure Mark Wohlers? No he wasn’t any more than Duncan was able to help Ankiel. Steve Blass disease isn’t easily cured.
Leo might be a better choice but Rothschild isn’t a bad coach when he has a manager who will listen to him. Dusty only listened to Dusty. I don’t think Lou is that kind of guy. The fact that Rothschild is reserved doesn’t mean that he is a bad coach or person.
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
William Wrigley Jr
by bubbamike the one and only on
Jul 3, 2008 11:05 AM CDT
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Dusty Wanted Dick Pole
instead of Rothschild. As it was he was allowed to keep Pole as a bench coach, and probably listened to Pole more than Larry. I’ve heard it caused a LOT of problems.
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on
Jul 3, 2008 11:07 AM CDT
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Someone TWSS's the subject line of this post in 5, 4, 3 ...
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Jul 3, 2008 11:09 AM CDT
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I Was Gonna
but you can’t TWSS yourself! LOL
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on
Jul 3, 2008 11:09 AM CDT
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Not without going blind, at least.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on
Jul 3, 2008 11:13 AM CDT
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I TWSS my own post and I can still see...
it’s a Christmas miracle I tell you.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on
Jul 3, 2008 11:19 AM CDT
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Yeah, but your palms are hairy......take a look!!!!
by crazymountain on
Jul 3, 2008 11:19 AM CDT
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Gah!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Jul 3, 2008 11:20 AM CDT
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Rosie Palms
is the name of his girlfriend.
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by CaliCub on
Jul 3, 2008 11:21 AM CDT
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I'm afraid to ask what the screenshot is from...
Teen Wolf 3: Scott Goes Blind… perhaps?
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on
Jul 3, 2008 11:50 AM CDT
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That's from the "educational film" we were shown in 6th grade.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Jul 3, 2008 12:01 PM CDT
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Nope Bald as ever...
Sorry.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on
Jul 3, 2008 11:26 AM CDT
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you'll put your eye out.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on
Jul 3, 2008 12:47 PM CDT
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A Bush In The Hand
is worth two in the….oh, never mind.
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on
Jul 3, 2008 12:49 PM CDT
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Oh, no!
She got to my mother!
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
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