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Overflow Thread 1: Cubs vs. Giants, Thursday 7/3, 6:05 CT

Is the sun down yet?

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"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin

by davidalanu on Jul 3, 2008 7:16 PM CDT reply actions  

worst first post ever.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 3, 2008 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1 Seriously.

Wow.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh, you're just saying that

"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin

by davidalanu on Jul 3, 2008 7:24 PM CDT reply actions  

the reply option...

is your friend.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 3, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

better, sir?

"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin

by davidalanu on Jul 3, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Much. :P

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

atta boy!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 3, 2008 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come on Sean

We need a ground ball for the DP here.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 7:24 PM CDT reply actions  

JK

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's missing his spots...

looks like he’s overthrowing a little.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 3, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sean needs to have a good fifth.

...or maybe I’ll have one!

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 3, 2008 7:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Gah.

Why’s Ascanio up?! Isn’t potential relief in the 5th ideal Lieber territory?!

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 7:27 PM CDT reply actions  

His last outing was solid!

And he’s good for an inning or two, unlike some of these other dudes who are like a lucky batter or two at best!

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

and O/T

What on EARTH is that big fist thing they are doing in San Fran?! They keep showing shots of it and I is confused.

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by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 7:28 PM CDT reply actions  

a cast replica of Bonds hands?

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 3, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

ha ha ha.

Roids can do crazy things to the hands if that’s the case.

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by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

When they acquired Latroy Hawkins..

...they had to remind him that wasn’t a Giants outfielder’s glove.

Nobody cares about your fantasy league team

by carmen_fanzone on Jul 3, 2008 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice job to get out of it Sean!

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 7:29 PM CDT reply actions  

psssssst...hey guys

now would be a good time to start putting some runs on the board.

by sue369 on Jul 3, 2008 7:29 PM CDT reply actions  

yep yep!

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by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 3, 2008 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

rain delay in stl

heres hoping they get a nice long wet cold night

I hear Tony La Russa may bat the Pitcher spot cleanup

by jds2 on Jul 3, 2008 7:30 PM CDT reply actions  

I've got a delay, what pitch

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by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh. nope. not a ball, then.

it’s not like it’d make the batter swing at empty air. and if he did, it’s still not a strike

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 3, 2008 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

He definitely does.

I wish someone would get a close up on that.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know how!!!

Anyone know how to capture an image off a TV? I can rewind to that point….

by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

i beleive you can if you try to deceive the batter

then its a ball

I hear Tony La Russa may bat the Pitcher spot cleanup

by jds2 on Jul 3, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes, that is true

but if you break contact with the bases empty, no harm no foul

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 3, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

But if you break contact when you are delivering the ball.....

what he is doing is pitching from a foot in front of the rubber.

by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

it is the way he leverages his body.

the Cubs should give the film to the umps. it is hard to see it real time, but anyone would throw harder if they can pick up their back leg before they release the ball!

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 3, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rule 8.01(b)

“Comment: With no runners on base, the pitcher is not required to come to a complete stop when using the Set Position. If, however, in the umpire’s judgment, a pitcher delivers the ball in a deliberate effort to catch the batter off guard, this delivery shall be deemed a quick pitch, for which the penalty is a ball. See Rule 8.05(e) Comment.”

I hear Tony La Russa may bat the Pitcher spot cleanup

by jds2 on Jul 3, 2008 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, I'm not sure what it is.

But it’s def not right.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

90th ptich

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 3, 2008 7:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Sweet!

Lead off double by Lee! Let’s go RAMI!!!!!!!!!!

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 7:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Come on Jimmay!!!!

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 7:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Yep!

:)

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's Geo time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 7:36 PM CDT reply actions  

not having a good game is he

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 3, 2008 7:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Poor Soto. :(

Agreed.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

hopefully he can learn from the mistakes he made in this series

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 3, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

it is going to be real hard to

pick up the ball in another 10 minutes when that shadow crosses home plate. It would nice to score some runs this inning. Let’s go, DeRo!!

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 3, 2008 7:39 PM CDT reply actions  

terrific! :-)

BTW, I met a guy the other day who played baseball with him at Penn (college) and the guy said DeRo was a great guy in college. No surprise.

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 3, 2008 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

i live in philly

and run into fans who have followed him – a guy at the Y always asks about him

when we went to the games here, he was one of the most popular players before the game

Win.

by RavenswoodRob on Jul 3, 2008 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

BTW, I went to Penn too

Just a question, is Harkem (sp?) College still there?

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 3, 2008 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

sorry, don't know

I’m Chicagoan by birth and a Temple (Tyler Art) guy by education – don’t know Harkem (sp?) – been here for 20 years but I don’t get out much….

Win.

by RavenswoodRob on Jul 3, 2008 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

it was our old stomping ground for "dates"

30+ years ago when I was in college. Not a place we went for education. :-)

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 3, 2008 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

dEro!

I heart the riot. (www.riotshirts.com)

by RIOTSHIRTS.com on Jul 3, 2008 7:41 PM CDT reply actions  

DERO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 7:41 PM CDT reply actions  

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let’s drive him in and tie this up

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 7:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Why would you swing @ the first pitch?

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 3, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because he lost some brain cells.....

musta been that “stomach flu” he had…....ummm, I’m not going farther with this thought as I think y’all can follow it…....

by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

clearly his high baseball IQ

I hear Tony La Russa may bat the Pitcher spot cleanup

by jds2 on Jul 3, 2008 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

They were just getting to Timmy!

DeRo hit a pitch out of the zone, he decided if they are gonna call that high stuff, he’ll just tomahawk it.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 3, 2008 7:43 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

always good when your team scores to do that

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 3, 2008 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Outstanding job by Sean

if he’s in any deal for CC, they’d better be able to lock him up long term.

Dome-san!!

by Goat Whisperer on Jul 3, 2008 7:45 PM CDT reply actions  

You don't think they would change their minds

for the right deal? I don’t know, just wonderin’...

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Jul 3, 2008 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree,

unless we include Soto—and I sure hope we don’t.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Jul 3, 2008 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good pitching change by Lou.

As long as Wuertz has his slider tonight.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 3, 2008 7:45 PM CDT reply actions  

why again didn't they start at 1pm PCT

I hear Tony La Russa may bat the Pitcher spot cleanup

by jds2 on Jul 3, 2008 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

The game had to be a day game, per the CBA,

because the Cubs are going east by 2 TZs. 5 pm local time is the day/night cut-off. So, the game had to start before 5 pm PDT, but the Giants didn’t want a “true” day game at 1 pm PDT.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Jul 3, 2008 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

stupid...

MLB’s schedule has been really bad this year it seems…ex a one team west coast road trip

I hear Tony La Russa may bat the Pitcher spot cleanup

by jds2 on Jul 3, 2008 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's go Cubbies! We need some runs!

Bust this game open!!!

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 7:51 PM CDT reply actions  

I'll second that!

That big red head needs to get into one!

by TXCubsFan on Jul 3, 2008 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

SF - Cubs Games

Hi—just got back and (for what it’s worth) wanted to give a brief report on the 3 SF nite games I went to. A lot of Cubs fans on BART, at the ballpark, everywhere. Sat in their “view level” behind home. Good natured Giant fans overall and most didnt really seem all that upset when we took over the park at times. A wave try by SF fans last nite was disappointing, but oh well. Lots of expensive beer, garlic fries, etc.

Funny Santo story. KNBR is the Giants flagship station and sports talk radio. Before today’s game, they had a “Sound Like Santo” contest. Included some of Ronnie’s classic “oooooh no”, “gee whiz”, etc. It was poking fun, but not mean spirited and kinda fun. Many Cub fans competed but first place went to a 9-year old girl.

Three out of four would be nice.

by West Coast Diehard on Jul 3, 2008 7:53 PM CDT reply actions  

7th inning

Isn’t the 7th inning our highest scoring inning? GO CUBS!

by TXCubsFan on Jul 3, 2008 7:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Tell him what he's won, Johnny!

"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse

by Goodie1969 on Jul 3, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Question.....

If a player is announced as a pinch hitter but is pulled before he bats, does that count as an “appearence” in a game?

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jul 3, 2008 7:53 PM CDT reply actions  

yes

I hear Tony La Russa may bat the Pitcher spot cleanup

by jds2 on Jul 3, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

but...

not sure if it counts for an apperance if fontenot’s stats

I hear Tony La Russa may bat the Pitcher spot cleanup

by jds2 on Jul 3, 2008 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

I always think of these silly questions when watching games.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jul 3, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

but if Cal Ripkin did that during his streak

would that game have counted as an actual appearance or game played?

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 3, 2008 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ignore my snark.

The official rule:

“A consecutive game playing streak shall be extended if the player plays one half inning on defense, or if he completes a time at bat by reaching base or being put out. A pinch running appearance only shall not extend the streak. If a player is ejected from a game by an umpire before he can comply with the requirements of this rule, his streak shall continue.”

by cwyers on Jul 3, 2008 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Marmol is warming up in bullpen pat just said

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 3, 2008 7:55 PM CDT reply actions  

3-0 Mets

2nd RBI infield single of the inning

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 3, 2008 7:56 PM CDT reply actions  

how long untill larussa goes to the 5th infeilder?

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by jds2 on Jul 3, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't bring myself to think of it as the Mets winning...

I can only think of it as the Cards losing

not “Go Mets!”, but “No Cards!”

Win.

by RavenswoodRob on Jul 3, 2008 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

agree

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 3, 2008 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh no, not Mr. HBP :(

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 7:59 PM CDT reply actions  

This dude is a menace, he makes me nervous

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 7:59 PM CDT reply actions  

FDome

nice AB…productive out…love to see that rub off on the younger players

I hear Tony La Russa may bat the Pitcher spot cleanup

by jds2 on Jul 3, 2008 8:00 PM CDT reply actions  

D'oh!

Stupid Yabu…

"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse

by Goodie1969 on Jul 3, 2008 8:02 PM CDT reply actions  

:(

We’ll get them next inning with Rami, Edmonds and Soto.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:03 PM CDT reply actions  

I hope so!

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Must be saving

more runs for the last two innings. :-(

by sue369 on Jul 3, 2008 8:03 PM CDT reply actions  

sounds good to me

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 3, 2008 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

D-Lee: Mr. choke

Devin Hester, you are rediculous! -Jeff Joniak

by ARAM FOR MVP on Jul 3, 2008 8:06 PM CDT reply actions  

-40

My new life, my new world, and my beautiful daughter:
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by Unique on Jul 3, 2008 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

-60

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 3, 2008 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd suggest something but Al might not like my answer

lol

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 3, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I figured that would make my point just as well as something Al might not like

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 3, 2008 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

First you get the fifth.....

open wide, guzzle…...

Then you get up off the floor…...

by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really don't care about talking them off the ledge.

I just want to figure out what source of information is feeding people this kind of bullcrap. It’s the damnedable lies that bother me.

by cwyers on Jul 3, 2008 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh jeez. :(

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:07 PM CDT reply actions  

ugh.....

I guess Ascanio doesn’t know to let Geo have that one

by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 8:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Why throw that?

Only bad things happen when you make throws like that.

"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse

by Goodie1969 on Jul 3, 2008 8:08 PM CDT reply actions  

What happened with the throw?

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Jul 3, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Got away, runner to 3rd on the Error

"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse

by Goodie1969 on Jul 3, 2008 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactamundo

"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse

by Goodie1969 on Jul 3, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

What up fonzie?

Except for being pissed about Carlos giving up the 3-run bomb?

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 3, 2008 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's go Marmol!!!!!

This is the time he kicks out of it, I can feel it.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:10 PM CDT reply actions  

isnt this what happened last night?

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 3, 2008 8:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Um..........

Words fail me.

"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse

by Goodie1969 on Jul 3, 2008 8:12 PM CDT reply actions  

ouch

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 3, 2008 8:12 PM CDT reply actions  

what the hell

he’s done

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Jul 3, 2008 8:12 PM CDT reply actions  

okay. pull him.

seriously, wow. :(

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by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:12 PM CDT reply actions  

What's Marmol velocity?

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by Unique on Jul 3, 2008 8:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Terminal

"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse

by Goodie1969 on Jul 3, 2008 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

that was low 80s

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by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

on his fastball that is.

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by Unique on Jul 3, 2008 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dont' think he threw a fastball.

3 sliders, one that missed really badly.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

He'll be back.

Just not today.

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by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

What was wrong with today?

Or any other day for that metter? The Cards are coming fast; we can’t lose ground. Straighten your shit out or ride the pine

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Jul 3, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

He'll figure it out.

God, he’s probably as freaked about this as we are right now. He’s got to just get out and throw and make it work again.

I believe in the pitching coach staff to be able to make that happen.

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by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damn

Glad I didnt stay in the City for this game---unless of course we make an Arizona like comback.

by West Coast Diehard on Jul 3, 2008 8:13 PM CDT reply actions  

uh-oh

If Aurillia homers off you, you are in trouble

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 3, 2008 8:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Someone wrote last night

that he/she was now scared whenever he started to warm up. I am also officially scared whenever he appears.

by wsunick on Jul 3, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

arghhhh

wtf is wrong with him?

Before Edmonds: 24-16, (.600); With Edmonds: 26-18 (.591)
Edmonds with Cubs: .282 / .370 / .563

by joeschmitt on Jul 3, 2008 8:13 PM CDT reply actions  

JMO

There are reports that scouts are saying he’s lost something due to overuse. I read the same thing last October. Once a reliever’s arm is “dead”, it’s tough to recharge him during the season.

I’m wondering if being shut down entirely for 2-3 weeks might help him.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Jul 3, 2008 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I've heard that

all the talk about him maybe going to the ASG has made him lose focus. We will probably never know.

by sue369 on Jul 3, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

That may be true....

like the “dead arm” syndrome early in the year?

by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

BB said it could be him tipping pitches...no way.

He is falling behind and becoming predictable. AND his fastball is no longer lively as he is over-throwing. His fastball flattens out. Same thing happens to Z when he over throws. Marmol is anxious and over-throwing because he can’t find the strike zone. With some intelligent help, he can work through this.

Our problem is we have a pitching coach who can not fix him!

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 3, 2008 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that he (Marmol) will work through it

I just think with a better pitching coach, this problem would be solved faster.

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 3, 2008 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

The human body is not designed to...

...consistently repeating a movement or set of motions. Players get hot and players get cold. It doesn’t always mean something – it could just be a stretch where a player’s “stuff” is off, or it could just be luck. There may be nothing to fix. He’s not a pitching machine.

by cwyers on Jul 3, 2008 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

well, he's going to get a week for the ASG anyway

Hopefully we won’t need him in StL and he can come back more fresh after the ASG

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

What if it's not his delivery?

Maybe he’s got a “tell.” Someone figured him out.

"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse

by Goodie1969 on Jul 3, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah

he’s wild. He’s hitting people and missing the plate then overcompensating by throwing fat over the middle. It’s not a tell, any pitcher pitching that way would be in trouble.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I suppose that's true

I wish it was something easy though. Darn it all!

"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse

by Goodie1969 on Jul 3, 2008 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is what we were talking about in the thread

this afternoon. He misses with two sliders so they know that the fastball is coming and then he gets it up and they blow it out of the park.
ARGH!

by wsunick on Jul 3, 2008 8:14 PM CDT reply actions  

This really comes down to the teacher.

A ton of our guys can never fix things, and I think that leads to the pitching coach..

Devin Hester, you are rediculous! -Jeff Joniak

by ARAM FOR MVP on Jul 3, 2008 8:14 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm sure Dave Duncan

would have had him straightened out by now.

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 3, 2008 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I heard Plesac talking about it

Supposedly it is a 2 step process they are going through. I guess they fixed the mechanics, now they are going after the location. Up and over the middle I am guessing is not where they planned.

by louslovechild on Jul 3, 2008 8:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Here's a question

Why was Ascanio still in to start the inning in a one-run game?

Didn’t notice right away b/c on the phone.

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 3, 2008 8:18 PM CDT reply actions  

agreed.

I’d have put lieber in there.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

b/c Lieber is invisable to Lou?

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 3, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's light up this bullpen!

Rami, Edmonds and Soto, couldn’t ask for more, let’s get it done!!!

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Question...

Why waste Cotts in a mop-up role if he is our only LHP in the ‘pen and the Cards have a lot of LHBs?

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Jul 3, 2008 8:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Perhaps Lou will remember that Lieber exists,

and is, you know, on the roster?

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

he might

he likes to use the long reliever for one inning…

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 3, 2008 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

40,111 attendence today

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 3, 2008 8:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Giants Pen

Do they have penchant for cughing it up?

"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI

by sweetswinger on Jul 3, 2008 8:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Nobody knows.

They don’t have all that many leads to protect.

by cwyers on Jul 3, 2008 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, look at their record.....

I’d say pitching is not a strength…..

by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 8:25 PM CDT reply actions  

No argument here

Neither, it would appear from the record, is hitting.

"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse

by Goodie1969 on Jul 3, 2008 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

These broken bats are killing us.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:26 PM CDT reply actions  

if MLB doesn't address it

I am afraid they might literally kill someone

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 3, 2008 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

It’s a huge hazard. :(

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

MLB is too busy worrying about the big stuff....

blackout protection, replay instead of extra umps…....

But I’m sure that Bud will sell you a car!!!

by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Question:

If you have MLBTV for the computer and the Saturday game is out of your area, can you watch it on MLBTV or is it blacvked out?

Devin Hester, you are rediculous! -Jeff Joniak

by ARAM FOR MVP on Jul 3, 2008 8:28 PM CDT reply actions  

This game USED to be for the fans.....

unfortunately, the fans no longer matter to MLB. It is just nuts…..

by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Science Friday on NPR having a piece of the physics of it tomorrow.

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 3, 2008 8:30 PM CDT reply actions  

It is pretty simple

an Ash bat, the grain is good throughout the length of the bat. Maple doesn’t have the same grain. AND, probably the biggest problem is not drying the wood enough before it is turned. MLB is very lax on inspection, they inspect a batch PRE season and do not follow up on their inspections…...

by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's Go Mets!

"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI

by sweetswinger on Jul 3, 2008 8:30 PM CDT reply actions  

5-0 top 3

Pelfrey with a 2-out RBI single

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 3, 2008 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice!

"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI

by sweetswinger on Jul 3, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me like...

Pitcher IP PC H R ER BB K
Boggs 2.2 61 5 5 4 4 0

Dome-san!!

by Goat Whisperer on Jul 3, 2008 8:32 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

Coming out of here 2-2, losing to Cain and Lincecum is not that bad.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

blue mike is on the new thread....

so I came back here

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 3, 2008 8:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Jon Lieber is becoming St. Jude

Patron Saint of Lost Causes.

"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse

by Goodie1969 on Jul 3, 2008 8:34 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't think multiple novenas would help at this point.

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 3, 2008 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

It will take a miracle

In the Novenus.

"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse

by Goodie1969 on Jul 3, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Boggs taking one for the team.

3 innings, 70 pitches, down 9-0

Dome-san!!

by Goat Whisperer on Jul 3, 2008 8:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Let's pretend

We’re the Diamondbacks today!

"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI

by sweetswinger on Jul 3, 2008 8:41 PM CDT reply actions  

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