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"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin

by davidalanu on Jul 3, 2008 8:16 PM CDT   0 recs

Venting

When did Marmol turn into a “gascan”?

ARRRGGGGHHH

"We're thinner than people think we are."- Lou Pinella

by tedinSoCal on Jul 3, 2008 8:24 PM CDT   0 recs

I think they're at the point where they need to start pitching him

in no pressure situations-either when the Cubs are getting blown out or they’re up by enough runs that he can’t do too much damage-let him try to work out his problems that way

by bluekoolaide on Jul 3, 2008 8:27 PM CDT   0 recs

how about sitting him in the dougout for a weekend

I hear Tony La Russa may bat the Pitcher spot cleanup

by jds2 on Jul 3, 2008 8:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

how about a new pitching coach

who knows how to work with these guys??

...and sit him for a weekend too.

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 3, 2008 8:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

mets 4-0 in the 3rd

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 3, 2008 8:31 PM CDT   0 recs

4-0 mets

bases loaded
thought we could use some good news

I hear Tony La Russa may bat the Pitcher spot cleanup

by jds2 on Jul 3, 2008 8:31 PM CDT   0 recs

5-0

still loaded

I hear Tony La Russa may bat the Pitcher spot cleanup

by jds2 on Jul 3, 2008 8:31 PM CDT   0 recs

Carlos Marmol is all screwed up...

Which is very bad news for the Cubs. Outside of Kerry Wood our bullpen is mediocre to lousy. Jim Hendry is definitely going to be in the market for a bullpen arm (or two). And he no doubt will have to significantly overpay.

Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.

by MDBNIU on Jul 3, 2008 8:32 PM CDT   0 recs

any clue what RP are on the market?

I hear Tony La Russa may bat the Pitcher spot cleanup

by jds2 on Jul 3, 2008 8:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No way to tell....

all the rumor places are just that. No one is showing anything yet…..

by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 8:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How did I know you would be here?

Cubs losing and NOW you show up!!! HOW PREDICTABLE!!!!

by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 8:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just curious,

How would you handle him? Bench him? Demote him? Change his role?

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on Jul 3, 2008 8:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, him

feel free to chime in though.

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on Jul 3, 2008 8:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, MDBNIU will NOT answer....

if it is me, I just might give him some quality time off. He may just be tired…..and the more he thinks about it, the worse it will get…...

by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 8:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes,

Isn’t he great that way?

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on Jul 3, 2008 8:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Your act is tired.

Enough with the MDBNIU bashing. You look pathetic.

I'm not a religious man, but I pray for Carlos Marmol's arm.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on Jul 3, 2008 9:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Who are you

to tell him what to do?

by sue369 on Jul 4, 2008 11:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

egg yolks

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 3, 2008 8:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that was meant for blue mike obviously

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 3, 2008 8:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

good I didn't want you to think I was insulting you crazy mountain

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 3, 2008 8:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You are just a breath of fresh air, MDBNIU

I say get Harden, only use HIM out of the bullpen!!! Everyone else is sure shitty!!! DFA THEM ALL!!!!!!

Harden can pitch all bullpen innings except the ninth, which is for Kerry…...

by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 8:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So the guy isn't 100% perfect

any more? OFF WITH HIS HEAD.

Some of you people…....

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 3, 2008 11:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

8-0 mets

well… at the cards are getting roughed up

I hear Tony La Russa may bat the Pitcher spot cleanup

by jds2 on Jul 3, 2008 8:34 PM CDT   0 recs

I think Lou knows something about Leiber

we don’t.

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on Jul 3, 2008 8:39 PM CDT   0 recs

before this series sf had won 14 @ home all season

””shakes my head in disgust”

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 3, 2008 8:41 PM CDT   0 recs

Agreed, that is hard to take.

I’ll have to take solice in a Cards beat down, I bet that will cheer me up a bit. :)

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't forget the Brewers humiliating meltdown.

"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse

by Goodie1969 on Jul 3, 2008 8:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't get the negativity.

We split on the road, just like you are supposed to. We lost to two good pitchers. It sucks that we had a good chance today that didn’t work out, but at least the Cards/Brew Crew are helping us out.

Let’s go get the Cards in St.L and call it good. :)

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:42 PM CDT   0 recs

+1

I’d like to see a better road record, but I’m not unhappy with the standings.

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 3, 2008 8:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We can make that road record a lot better in St.L this weekend. ;)

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that would be a good thing

I’d be happy with 2 of 3, but maybe StL pitching will start to get to it’s true level and the Cubs can get 3.

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 3, 2008 8:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That would be sweet.

And did anyone think we’d go 15 days without Z and not lose more than a game to either the Crew or the Cards?

I didn’t.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

excellent thought

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 3, 2008 8:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Im not a negative Nellie

but when a team has won 14 at home right around the ASB ….. I tend to hope for 3 outta 4

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 3, 2008 8:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No kidding!!

I did NOT expect this at all….....

by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 8:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's silly

They never play well on the coast, historically. They usually fare better in SF than LA or SD. A split is exactly what I expected. With a depleted roster, what the hell more do you want? Some of the injured are now back—you expect them to be 100%?

Be realistic. The team has the best record in the NL. They’ve lost one game off the lead. This team is treading water, and that’s to be expected right now.

2 of 3 is really necessary in St. Louis. Playing .500 ball against a bad team is fine, under these circumstances—but those 2 kid pitchers threw good games for the Giants.

Try to actually be reasonable, you people. Are you all new here? Are you all bandwagoners?

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 3, 2008 11:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's fair.

I concede, though, I thought we’d lose to Lincecum and Cain was lights out. I actually think he looked better than Timmay.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree.

I wish we looked “crisper” on this road trip, but as long as we take 2 of 3 from the Red Birds, it will be a good week.

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 3, 2008 8:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's just not our night.

We’ll get em tomorrow night.

by sue369 on Jul 3, 2008 8:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

God, we have a great team......

some things, however, are truly puzzling…...

by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 8:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

They need a break.

Let’s get amped up for the Cards, and get it done where it REALLY counts.

Welcome Back Zambrano Party tomorrow!!!!

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nah,

This is a long season, everyone goes through sections of the season where nothing seems to go right. The fans go ballistic, but the manager and players know it happens every season.

Now if they were playing like this late in August, then I sttart to worry.

Don't blow it boys!

by Mr W on Jul 3, 2008 8:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually we're 2-5 so far on this trip

and jsut lost two to one of the worst home teams in all of baseball. Injuries or not, a great team should be playing better by now. This slump is going on two weeks

by Mapmaker on Jul 3, 2008 8:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I hear you Mapmaker but,

if at the end of the season the Cubs win the division by 6 games you will look back on this and laugh at how silly it was to get so worked up over something like this. Moreover, if we win the pennant, and, God willing, the World Series, you will have absolutely no memory of thiis whatsoever!! So take heart. Lets see what we can do with those lousy Cards this weekend.

Don't blow it boys!

by Mr W on Jul 3, 2008 9:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

True true

But it doesn’t make this any easier right now. I’ve seen some horrifying things in my lifetime as a Cub fan and it’s not easy to stay optimistic, Remember the Marlins series late last year. Devastating and the next thing you know, the Cubs win the division. Sometimes I think the season is too long (especially when the Cubs are leading the division!)

by Mapmaker on Jul 3, 2008 9:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

Listen, I ‘ve been a Cub fan since 1964, so I have seen it all!
It never is easy for us.

Don't blow it boys!

by Mr W on Jul 3, 2008 9:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This is a "GOOD" team

not a “GREAT” one. With all of the injuries - WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE EXPECT? It’s amazing to me that they have been able to maintain. That’s a great sign for when this team is healthy. Look at the Damn Dodgers - half their team is on the DL, it seems. They are still below .500.

Calm down. Did you expect no slumps, no injuries? If not, you haven’t a clue about the ups and downs of a season. As Al pointed out—look what the Jays did to Boston! Shit happens.

Find some Xanax, or go watch Arena Football. Maybe that won’t upset so many of you here.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 3, 2008 11:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I may not like him but do you blame him?

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 3, 2008 8:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

not at all

I think it’s the right thing to do

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 3, 2008 8:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

me too :(

"We have a pretty strong belief that we are going to win those types of games. It's our confidence. "--Cubs pitcher Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 3, 2008 8:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lincecum is a very good pitcher

There’s a reason he is 9-1 on a very bad team.

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Jul 3, 2008 8:47 PM CDT   0 recs

I'm all for our newfound patience at the plate, but I think sometimes it hamstrings us

when you’ve got a good pitcher throwing strikes. Patience does not equal looking at fastballs right down the middle. I think that’s led to this team simply not looking very aggressive at times, especially on the road.

by VolPowers on Jul 3, 2008 8:48 PM CDT   0 recs

Hope Z isn't

too wound tomorrow night.

by sue369 on Jul 3, 2008 8:49 PM CDT   0 recs

agreed.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

on to St Louis and Big Z returns

I feel better already

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 3, 2008 8:50 PM CDT   0 recs

+1

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Cubs could use another starting pitcher, however

I disagree with sitting Carlos. I think Lou needs to continue to use him until he gets his confidence back. If Lou gives up on him now, we may never get the “White Castle” back.

He’s lost a little confidence, just keep bringing him in, eventually it will all return. Not only that, we get to show the Cardinals what we’re made of this weekend.

Don't blow it boys!

by Mr W on Jul 3, 2008 8:50 PM CDT   0 recs

+1

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on Jul 3, 2008 8:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree we need a starting pitcher.

Marmol just needs a tight leash right now.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The deal with Marmol

With the exception of the HR to Quentin, which was a fluke more than anything, he’s been getting beat when behind in the count and the hitters can sit high fastball. He’s throwing his slider too much early in the count and guys have started taking pitches in the hope he falls behind. If he’s not getting called strikes with his slider, he’s falling behind and his fastball is getting hit. All he has to do is make the adjustment and get ahead with his fastball and wipe them away with his slider. His slider is so filthy that he has fallen into the rut that a lot of guys with one outstanding pitch do and that is falling in love with it. Pitch off his fastball and wipe guys out with the slider and before long, he’ll be dominating again. He’s too good not too. No different than the Ramirez hitting slide.

Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?

by krummy12 on Jul 3, 2008 9:43 PM CDT to parent up   1 recs

A Sound Explanation

He might even be overthrowing the slider, which is causing it to sail outside. Then he has to throw a “get me over” fastball and KAPOW!

Just hoping it’s a fixable mechanical flaw and not another Mark Prior or Rich Hill scenario.

Eat More Katsui

by CaliCub on Jul 3, 2008 9:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, my big boy dog is sensing the end and wants to chase HIS ball.....

so out the back I go!!! Y’all have fun…..see ya later!!!

by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 8:50 PM CDT   0 recs

c ya!

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed.

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Anyone up for continuing this thread to keep an eye on the Cards?

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:52 PM CDT   0 recs

for a while, sure

9-0, top 5, runner on first 0 out

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 3, 2008 8:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, I'll have to leave eventually, but for now. :)

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"

by slcathena on Jul 3, 2008 8:56 PM CDT