Burnett for a SS?
by mkcubs21 on Jul 3, 2008 12:50 PM CDT
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http://www.torontosun.com/Sports/Baseball/2008/07/03/6050686-sun.html
The Blue Jays have came out with what it will for sure take to get A.J. Burnett, a Shortstop. They are looking for a upgrade over the platoon of Eckstein and McDonald. Now I haven't been one to hide my liking of Burnett, I think he can be very dominate and we've seen A.L. pitchers come over to the N.L. and pitch much better. Does anyone think that Cedeno plus another player would be enough if we can't get a C.C. quality player. I'd much rather have him but Burnett is no slouch by any means.
What do you guys think?
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Well lets say it takes Cedeno and Veal.
I wouldn’t do it unless we had already tried as hard as we could for CC and (I know, I know) Harden.
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by nji232 on Jul 3, 2008 12:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why would Oakland trade Harden?
They’re only 3.5 games out of the Wild Card, and they’ve probably got the easiest schedule down the stretch, since they’re in the AL West.
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by Josh77 on Jul 3, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oakland would trade Harden..
because Billy Beane plays by a different set of rules. If he can get a good return then he is always willing to make a move
"Go Cubs Go"
by mkcubs21 on Jul 3, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here we go again
and the way Cub fans feel about Cub players and the reality of what other GM’s of other teams think of the Cubs players/prospects. The fact that you wouldn’t give up Cedeno and Veal for Burnett is laughable. Cedeno is crap and Veal is another overhyped Cubs prospect. I don’t even think Hendry could suggest that trade scenario without choking on his BBQ ribs from laughing so hard.
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by lemon20pie on Jul 3, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said anything about Veal and lower down..
I said that Cedeno wouldn’t be enough. My only response there was that Harden is expendable in Beane’s eyes b/c he is always looking for a good deal. Haren was there ace and Swisher was a cornerstone and he still moved them. I’m just saying that he is always willing to make a move if he can some how benefit.
I brought this up link to spark some conversation since we know what the Blue Jays want. I don’t think Cedeno + another player is enough but i wanted to get some conversation going
"Go Cubs Go"
by mkcubs21 on Jul 3, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The A's...
Their pitching is about 3 years away from being the best in the league with guys like Gio Gonzalez, Trevor Cahlil, Brett Anderson, etc.. in the minors. So they are all expendable in that rotation with the exception of Smith and Eveland.
Jim Edmonds has seriously become my favorite player. WHAT'S HAPPENING????
by Cub Style on Jul 3, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And now that I read..
your post a little better I realize you weren’t directing that at me. I’d give up Cedeno and Veal for Burnett in a heart beat if they’d take it.
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by mkcubs21 on Jul 3, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would hope so
When I saw what they were after Cedeno was the first player that came to mind
by sdurst on Jul 3, 2008 12:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why, pray tell, would they want Ronnie Cedeno?
by leothelip on Jul 3, 2008 12:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ronny Cedeno and who else??
Ronny Cedeno is overrated by most Cub fans. I’m not sure his market value, or if a team like Toronto would consider him a viable answer at shortstop to the point where they would trade a very marketable A.J. Burnett to get him. I would think J.P. Riccardi would want something like Sean Gallagher AND Ronny Cedeno.
Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.
by MDBNIU on Jul 3, 2008 12:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Incorrect.
I would say Ryan Theriot is overrated by most Cubs fans. (Actually, I wouldn’t say that because I try not to make ridiculously broad generalizations about players or fan bases.) I’d guess most Cubs fans either dislike Cedeno based on his history or regard him as an adequate shortstop while holding out some hope that he could someday play like 1Dec full time.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't fix stupid
And that’s why I don’t trust Cedeno.
We saw it with Corey Patterson too. We saw it with Michael Barrett—although he was fantastic offensively.
At some point, a player’s boneheadedness in the field and on the basepaths outweighs the offense.
You just can’t coach a player out of stupid.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and remember, half of them are stupider than that!
by DaBard on Jul 3, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ding, ding, ding, ding !!!!!!
Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.
by MDBNIU on Jul 3, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both Theriot and Fontenot
have made more mental errors this year than Cedeno.
by rlpete on Jul 3, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comparing Ryan Theriot to Ronny Cedeno is....
...like comparing Derek Jeter to Neifi Perez. It’s so far off the charts goofy that it boggles the mind. Lest you haven’t been paying attention Ryan Theriot has become a major cog in the Cub offensive machine and has held his own at shortstop. I’ll take his .390 OBP and his steady albeit average play at shortstop any day of the week over Cedeno.
Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.
by MDBNIU on Jul 3, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he's a major cog
why is Lou moving him to 8th in the lineup?
by DGU on Jul 3, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who remains the everyday shortstop....
And where is it written that the dude who bats 8th by definition isn’t a vital cog?
Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.
by MDBNIU on Jul 3, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the guy who bats 8th is, then, I guess
every starting hitter is a “vital cog,” The question then becomes, “Who are the REALLY, REALLY vital cogs?”
by DGU on Jul 3, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I don;t think Theriot is such a major cog persay
don’t judge him by his place inthe batting order. This Cub team happens to have a lot of valuable hitters and Lou has him that low because he has better hitters to hit higher in the order. Lou happens to have seen that Fukudome’s hittig is great in the 2 hole. From there on, they already have their lineup. So…Theriot bats low in the order because lou has better options for higher up. This doesn;t mean Theriot isn’t valuable to this team.
Overrated or not.
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Jul 4, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please read....I didn't say that I would start Cedeno over Theriot
The constant repetitive “Cedeno is dumb” is outdated. He will never be a star but he has played better baseball this year. Theriot and Fontenot have made more mental errors this year. The latest I remember was over the weekend when Fontenot didn’t catch the 3rd base coach sending him home and stopped at 3rd on a play that he could have easily scored.
Sorry I know you prefer to bash but some credit is due Cedeno for improvement.
by rlpete on Jul 3, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MBDNIU
is right on the $$ with his comparison of onedec and theriot. My ghod….......not even close fellas
by plenz on Jul 3, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Cedeno
does have better power and walks more. He has better range as well. Of course, Theriot wins in the scrappy and brainy categories so that’s all that’s important.
Seriously, neither of them is a great option. My point is that the difference is not that great and Cedeno has shown improvement in the past year. He’s still younger than Theriot. To think he is guaranteed to fail because of stupidity is crazy.
by rlpete on Jul 3, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but
my two cents are that I always feel uncomfortable when Cedeno’s at the plate. He just doesn’t look like he has a big league hitter’s mindset up there.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jul 3, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I won't argue that
some people prefer Theriot and that’s valid. I just get tired of the constant “He’s dumb and will never amount to anything”. I personally just think Theriot’s defense is so bad that it is hurting the team.
And I did make a mistake Theriot’s walk rate is better than Cedeno’s. I looked at the wrong column.
by rlpete on Jul 3, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the general consensus
or at least my opinion, is that either Theriot or Cedeno are the best we got at the moment. People take sides to play devil’s advocate. I think Lou looks at Theriot’s average and starts him for that reason.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jul 3, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To paraphrase Pitino...
....Derek Jeter is not walking thru that door. Michael Young is not walking through that door. Neither Jose Reyes, Hanley Ramirez, or Jimmy Rollins is walking thru that door.
Honestly, why do people fight over this crap? Theriot has been a productive player for the Cubs this year and better than anything they could replace him with. Cedeno has had moments when he’s done really good stuff for the Cubs, and might be ready for full time duty but hasn’t shown enough to beat out Theriot. Neither is an all-star, but we can’t expect to find anything else better out there, so give it a rest.
by Chadnudj on Jul 3, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're used to day games
and don’t know what to do right now.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jul 3, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except...
...this debate is SOOOOO played out. Literally, people have discussed this at least once a day, every day, all season long.
Enough. Unless there is a shortstop on the block that is an improvement on Theriot/Cedeno that the Cubs could make an offer for, I never want to hear people complain over a guy with a 390 OBP, and a speedy backup who is a capable fielder and has hit decently in spot duty all season.
Seriously, I can recall MANY seasons where we would have KILLED to have this type of production AND defense from our shortstops. So enough, people.
by Chadnudj on Jul 3, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walks more? Really?
I’d love to see that stat.
by ak123 on Jul 3, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Neifi and his evil twin
over Cedeno
Think of how stupid the average person is, and remember, half of them are stupider than that!
by DaBard on Jul 3, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you just compare
Ryan Theriot to Derek Jeter?
Uh-huh. Keep talkin, eggman…
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by drewishdrewid on Jul 3, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is the eggman...wooooo
Hammer is the walrus…wooooo
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need an official tally of this.
Because I think you are right. Cedeno has cut down on his errors; other players have not.
by DGU on Jul 3, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't be
I didn’t play baseball at NIU.
by rlpete on Jul 3, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cedeno may have cut down on his errors
But that’s like saying the Titanic got rid of a bucket of water…
Before Cedeno, I’d never seen a player get caught stealing on ball four. He’s done it twice.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and remember, half of them are stupider than that!
by DaBard on Jul 3, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Per game? I don't think so.
Theriot and Fontenot have made more mistakes because they have had more opportunity to make mistakes. Cedeno seems to average one per appearance. Whether it actually comes back to haunt him is another matter. (For example, Ward saved his butt on that pop fly in SF the other day.)
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by Ross on Jul 3, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, you are dense.
If they want a SS that bad, Cedeno & anybody else would be fine. J.P. knows this: Gallagher will not be coming to Toronto.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 3, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can try it...
If Cedeno is still in someone’s major league uniform in three years, I will eat a car battery.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and remember, half of them are stupider than that!
by DaBard on Jul 3, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is...
that Gallagher will be traded only if he goes to Cleveland in package for C.C.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 3, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
He is Jose Macias with horrid baseball instincts, only someone hasn’t gotten around to telling him yet.
Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.
by MDBNIU on Jul 3, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you like
Diehard or Everstart?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 3, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather hold out for someone who isn't an injury risk.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 3, 2008 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good luck with that
Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.
by MDBNIU on Jul 3, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
An unsurprising response from the Champion of Rich Harden.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Unless you have sure cure strategy for acquiring a Brandon Webb for Felix Pie, Ronny Cedeno and a bag of magic beans then I suggest you dismiss with the smart assedness and come up with your own trade ideas. Fact is there are very few starting pitchers who aren’t a “risk” at some level, especially the variety that is typically available come trade deadline.
Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.
by MDBNIU on Jul 3, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then why bother at all?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 3, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
quite.
and if, as Blue-mike continues to insist, our prospects aren’t work crap, why would we even be able to get Harden the DL wonder-boy?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 3, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You give yourself too much credit.
Don’t imply that Rich Harden is somehow your trade idea. His name is one of several the baseball cognoscenti have been bandying about for months. Just because you incessantly repeat his name every other post doesn’t make you a genius – and it doesn’t make you right.
I’d also point out – yet again – that I don’t believe you’ve ever gone on record as to precisely whom you would trade to get Harden. All I ever hear from you is how disappointing the Cubs prospects and trading pieces are – so why would Billy Beane want any of them? Let’s hear it.
Me? I’ll take Sabathia, thank you very much. (For whom? Well, yeah, Gallagher for starters. I wouldn’t be happy with that, but I realize it’s more than likely the price of admission.) And if that’s not possible, then I’d be damn tempted to stand pat, because giving up valuable prospects – especially Gallagher – for an uncertain commodity like Burnett or a perennial DL lister like Harden seems unreasonable and perhaps even irresponsible.
In closing, thanks for taking me off your ignore list. I rully rully appreciate it.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good news...I'm running a July 4th Holiday Special
You’re back on the ignore list !!!!
Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.
by MDBNIU on Jul 3, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, lucky me.
And now you can weasel out of addressing my questions. Well played!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You answered none of his accusations about you
which only makes me think that he was correct about everything he said—which I’ve always felt was true, but daver put it into an actual post(I bet every other poster here feels the same way about you as well).
Now, I’m no Mills Lane, but I’m pretty sure daver just e-choke holded you until you passed out, waking up in delirium.
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by NittanyCub on Jul 3, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
Let’s tackle Nostradamus’ questions….
1. Rich Harden MY idea? Goodness, please don’t give me that much credit. Harden is a superlative pitcher who I am convinced (like many others) is available for the right price. Oakland is loaded with pitching and Billy Beane is not going to deviate from his rebuilding campaign that he started last winter. Not even if the A’s are right in the thick of the playoff chase. Will Harden get traded? I don’t know. Will he be traded to the Cubs? Longshot.
2. CC Sabathia is the preferred choice? Well who on earth can quibble with the talent and track record of last year’s Cy Young winner in the AL? Certainly not me. But bottom line he has zero chance of being traded to the Cubs. Not unless Jim Hendry is prepared to deal Geovany Soto.
Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.
by MDBNIU on Jul 3, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOU STILL DIDN'T ANSWER MY PRIMARY QUESTION.
If you were Billy Beane, who would you take in trade from the Cubs for Rich Harden?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To get Rich Harden
Gallagher and Marshall and one pick of Double A or two picks of Single A
OR
Gallagher, Pie and my pick of Single A
OR
Gallagher, Murton and Hill
Gallagher
Think of how stupid the average person is, and remember, half of them are stupider than that!
by DaBard on Jul 3, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, at least you've got the guts...
...to go on record. Personally, I think Harden’s too big of an injury risk to throw away Gallagher – not to mention Pie and a top Double A or two Single A prospects. (And you know damn well Beane will take only the best.) Rich Hill is an interesting addition. I’m not sure Beane would want to take on that problem.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would not
give up Gallagher for anyone except CC.
Harden and Burnett are for too much of injury risks to pay that high a price.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jul 3, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would not
give up Gallager for CC without being able to sign CC for more than 2 months.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 3, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, there was a post of his that listed who he would trade for Harden.
I don’t have it, nor would I look for it, but it listed around nine names, IIRC. Nine.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jul 3, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he suggested
trading the entire farm system to get Harden, IIRC
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Jul 3, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the list just went on and on.
Gallagher, Cedeno, Murton, Pie, Hill, Marshall, Patterson. It was ridiculous.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jul 3, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will take a "knockout offer" according to Rosenthal
I don’t think we have anyone in our system that qualifies. Sorry, but quantity does not trump quality.
by Wreckard on Jul 3, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't trade for Harden anyway.
He’ll just wind up on the DL.
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by Al on Jul 3, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a follower of Harden
How many times has he landed on the DL? Is he Prior-esque?
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by Lou In Blue on Jul 3, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone notice how MDBNIU never answered my question?
Just goes to show: Some people have the guts to back up their assertions. Some don’t. BlueMike, your true colors are showing.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 4, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We almost certainly don't have the horses
for Sabathia. Every other prospect on the market is either an injury risk (Burnett, Bedard, maybe Harden) or isn’t any better than what we already have (Wolf, Byrd and, sadly, Maddux.)
Of course, after seeing ground ball after ground ball go under Ryan Theriot’s glove up the middle, I almost wonder if the best way to impove our pitching staff isn’t to go get Khalil Greene.
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by Josh77 on Jul 3, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
When everyone is saying, “We need 2-3 more pitchers,” and we had a pretty good pitching staff last year, it’s time to look at the defense. The problem is that Greene may not have a big enough name to replace Theriot at SS, and Theriot’s not coming out of the lineup. So, basically, we have to trade DeRosa to make room for Theriot and we have to get a SS that Lou trusts. This is not easy to do.
My crazy suggestion: Call up the Wilpons who think they need scrappy player and think Jose Reyes is part of the problem. Offer them Lou and Theriot for Jose Reyes.
by DGU on Jul 3, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Troy Tulowitzki is a great "buy low" candidate right now
If you can pry him away…. he’s just not hitting the ball at all.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
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by SackMan on Jul 3, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think
that Colorado would trade him? I really don’t, but it is Colorado.
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by Josh77 on Jul 3, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're already thinking about dealing Matt Holliday
So, I can’t imagine they don’t have an untouchable.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
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by SackMan on Jul 3, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Holliday
is a free agent after next year and is looking for a huge payday and won’t give a hometown discount.
Very different situation there.
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by Josh77 on Jul 3, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday is due a huge payday.
Tulo is currently a minimum wage slave in the baseball world. Good god I would love to have Tulowitzki on our team – I’m convinced he’s the best shortstop, maybe even the best player – in baseball over the next five years.
And I think the Rockies know that.
by cwyers on Jul 3, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well... he's batting a whopping .168
I’m just sayin… if there’s ever a time to try: it’s now.
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by SackMan on Jul 3, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's also played in half the games as Theriot
and has one less XBH than Mr. Scrappy.
by rlpete on Jul 3, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not a wage slave...
Tulowitzki’s signed a long-term contract this past winter. He’s locked in until a year after he would normally hit free agency.
We sell spatulas...and that's all.
by LaddieRenfroe on Jul 3, 2008 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have lots of untouchables
Any of their young, cheap talent that they have locked up for multiple years. Tulo, Cook, etc.
The guys who are available are all impending free agents.
by Wreckard on Jul 3, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's heating back up
Over the past 5 games: .333/.500/.867. (I’ve got him in fantasy and am not trading him.)
by DGU on Jul 3, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And kidnap their children
to get them to agree to that trade.
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by Josh77 on Jul 3, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The trade certainly will require
a large element of irrationality to be accepted. That’s why you have to call the Wilpons and not Omar.
by DGU on Jul 3, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, trade them our manager?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hm, y'know, I do kinda like Alan Trammel...
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Seattle traded Pinella......
by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FYI....
... the correct spellings of those two names are:
TRAMMELL
and
PINIELLA
Signed, The Spelling Police
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by Al on Jul 3, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
he didn’t ask for definition or language of origin.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jul 3, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dang, I had a feeling there was another 'l' in "Trammell"...
...but I decided to roll the dice with just one.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
but that was only after Piniella had agreed to a contract with Tampa.
I haven’t heard of Piniella saying he wishes he was back in Seattle. In fact, I’m sure he doesn’t.
Managers are only “traded” as compensation for letting them out of contracts early. At least since the days of player-managers ended, anyway.
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by Josh77 on Jul 3, 2008 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe you are right!!!
Theriot’s range to his left (to give him credit, he does get to a lot of popups that a lot wouldn’t) is horrid. I’ve long said that we give up a LOT of hits up the middle. This makes for more pitches, stressful ones, and shorter outings. It seems that every game there is one or two ‘hits’ up the middle that should be outs.
by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 again
Is it easier to trade for 4 new pitchers or just fix the middle infield?
by DGU on Jul 3, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if we aren't looking for a 30HR, .300 hitter for a DEFENSIVE position,
It is much easier to find a shortstop who can guard the middle…...and cheaper, I might add
by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Khalil Greene
It is not out of the realm of possibility that Jim Hendry may have strong interest in Greene. Personally, I’d love the addition of Greene. He may be a tad peculiar and strange. And his bat will often times cause indigestion. But bottom line he is an excellent defense shortstop and brings the added bonus of providing pop. He’d look awfully good batting 7th or 8th in the Cub lineup.
Allow me to pull something out of my ass to stir debate…
Khalil Greene and Greg Maddux for Sean Marshall, Felix Pie, Ryan Theriot and something else.
Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.
by MDBNIU on Jul 3, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Murton, perhaps?
Y’know the guy that San Diego’s GM has gone on record as saying he’s interested in?
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Murton and Cedeno
for Greene? I think SD might do that. They’d need a SS back in return.
Heck, maybe we could just trade Theriot for Greene even up.
Maddux’s numbers away from Petco are horrific. I don’t think he can really halp us, unfortunately.
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by Josh77 on Jul 3, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think SD would want Theriot?
They value defense and he’s hitting .284/.358/.316 over the past month. Of course, that park would have the least impact on his offense as on a hitter who gets the ball to the OF, so, maybe he’s the kind of RH hitter they’d be in the market for – for 2B.
by DGU on Jul 3, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good grief.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
by SackMan on Jul 3, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
that’s certainly worthy of something you might pull out of your ass.
Should we give them DLee too, to sweeten the sugar you’ve piled on top of the saccharine?
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by drewishdrewid on Jul 3, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think Shawon Dunston is available?
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by ryanbrixenivy on Jul 3, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Khalil Green??
are you serious?
.231
.277 obp
that’ll help alot
we need a damn starting pitcher
by plenz on Jul 3, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But if we can't get one (a good one, that is)...
...strengthening the middle infield will help our existing rotation. That’s the idea.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean strengthening it defensively, that is.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd give him a little leway as well...
He does play in the Grand Canyon.
Jim Edmonds has seriously become my favorite player. WHAT'S HAPPENING????
by Cub Style on Jul 3, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point is that Khalil Greene is an updgrade on DEFENSE.
That makes your current starting pitchers better. (Also, selective endpoints/sampling issues and park effects.)
by cwyers on Jul 3, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are SO right cwyers....
I am seriously baffled at the Cubs decision makers insistence on leaving Theriot as our starting SS. They have to have watched the same games I have…..I hope…..
by crazymountain on Jul 3, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a great defensive player
and he’s a better hitter than those numbers show (although not a great one).
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by Josh77 on Jul 3, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't have to start everyday for us...
But, we need a real glove somewhere in that middle infield.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
by SackMan on Jul 3, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take a look at his splits at home and away
They’re really interesting.
Keep in mind, before you ask people if they are “serious,” the location of where Petco Park is. I use to live in San Diego; the baseball field is located right off a pier, practically. It’s a pitcher’s ballpark for all intents and purposes. I wouldn’t be shocked if he hit .275 with a .345 obp if he ever came to Wrigley.
"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk
by NittanyCub on Jul 3, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I'm Toronto...
I giggle in Hendry’s face at the thought of Cedeno.
At least Eckstein has more than 7 functioning brain cells and won’t overshoot second base three times a week.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and remember, half of them are stupider than that!
by DaBard on Jul 3, 2008 1:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Post of the month !!!!
Hit the nail right on the head.
Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.
by MDBNIU on Jul 3, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really agree with you..
I don’t think that Cedeno is an upgrade by any means. But his was the first name that came to mind and that lead to me wondering what everyone else thought.
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by mkcubs21 on Jul 3, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2008 Comparison
Eckstein is hitting .273/.360/.348; McDonald is at .163/.234/.186. If you believe in Cedeno, then he’s reasonably a potential upgrade over that. Who knows what JP thinks of Ronny. We need Ronny to get an interview where he says that he loves playing baseball. That could help.
by DGU on Jul 3, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JP Ricardi IS a pretty bad GM.
Apparently Beane’s magic fairie dust didn’t take.
by cwyers on Jul 3, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, we need to get an interview with Ronny...
...in which he says he loves hockey. Then it’s a done deal!
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And poutine. Don't forget that.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jul 3, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Riccardi did a radio interview...
...where he basically slammed Adam Dunn for not loving playing baseball. Not his finest hour, although not his worst moment even this season.
by cwyers on Jul 3, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ricciardi...
... also claimed to have called Dunn and apologized afterwards, but Dunn says he never heard from Ricciardi.
That franchise is headed down the wrong path. I’m surprised Ricciardi still has a job.
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by Al on Jul 3, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised he is still there as well....
I hope he likes Cedeno, him and another prospect or two for Burnett wouldn’t be a bad deal if we can’t get a C.C. type of pitcher.
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by mkcubs21 on Jul 3, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
. . . and I’m still wondering if the solution isn’t to add quality to the bullpen? We might, even with Marquis, have enough at the top if they could be removed liberally.
by leothelip on Jul 3, 2008 1:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bill Hall?
I wonder if Milwaukee has the leg up here.
by DGU on Jul 3, 2008 1:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bill Hall ?
Milwaukee got duped into giving him a long-term contract based on a career year in 2006. Hall does have value, but his value resides in being a super-utility man. He certainly isn’t everyday starting material at any position.
Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.
by MDBNIU on Jul 3, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the age of Jeter-Nomar-ARod
has people overestimating the offense you can expect from a good defensive SS. I don’t know whether or not Bill Hall can still play a good defensive SS, but if he can…
by DGU on Jul 3, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Hall is overrated with the glove in the context of being starter material
I wouldn’t want him being my everyday infielder or centerfielder. Again, clearly his highest and best use is as a versatile player coming off the bench. A guy who grabs 300 or so at bats at a number of positions. Milwaukee has finally learned that 2006 was a fluke. Hence why well traveled bag of bones Russell Branyon is getting the bulk of starts over Hall at 3rd base.
Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.
by MDBNIU on Jul 3, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may be right.
I know Hall had good #s at SS in 2006. I also know he has the “excuse” that being jerked around to 3 different positions has held back his offense. He’s still young. Someone, somewhere is going to take a chance on him. It may be Toronto.
by DGU on Jul 3, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeRo has the same "excuse"
- even more, because he moves around more often - and he still hits. Methinks that Hall had a career year early in his career, and Milwaukee was stupid enough to overpay to buy out his arb years.
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by DeRoMyHero on Jul 3, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Need a starter and need a setup man
I’d be very happy with the addition of A.J. Burnett. But Hendry needs to get a reliable middle reliever in here as well. He definitely has his work cut out. Unfortunately he is severely handicapped by a minor league system in the toilet right now. And now, Ronny Cedeno does not have wondrous trade value.
Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.
by MDBNIU on Jul 3, 2008 1:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Heck... we still don't even have a real SS
Our defense up the middle is average… on a good day.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
by SackMan on Jul 3, 2008 1:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Related
Furcal is out, too. Probably for the season. The Dodgers may also be in the market for a SS.
Cedeno does have trade value.
by DGU on Jul 3, 2008 1:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ronny Cedeno for Scott Proctor
Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.
by MDBNIU on Jul 3, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh hell no.
Proctor is one of the worst setup men in baseball. Torre’s just so braindead at handling a bullpen that he hasn’t noticed.
by cwyers on Jul 3, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that the dude with the big butch sideburns?
If so… yes, I concur: he sucks.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
by SackMan on Jul 3, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can send back Cesar....
Oh no… wait… we can’t.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
by SackMan on Jul 3, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it's official
My fantasy season is over.
by rlpete on Jul 3, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cedeno
for Clayton Kershaw. Yeah, they’ll do that.
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by Josh77 on Jul 3, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we threw in Eric Patterson
could we also get Matt Kemp?
by DGU on Jul 3, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if we threw in Rich Hill...
We could get a Dodger Dog.
Jim Edmonds has seriously become my favorite player. WHAT'S HAPPENING????
by Cub Style on Jul 3, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Dodgers DL
Juan Pierre LF Jun 30 15-day Sprained ligament, left knee
Scott Proctor RP Jun 22 15-day Right elbow tendinitis
Brad Penny SP Jun 15 15-day Mild tendinitis, right shoulder
Andruw Jones CF May 24 15-day Meniscus tear in right knee
Gary Bennett C May 19 60-day Plantar fasciitis, left foot
Rafael Furcal SS May 6 15-day Lower back surgery
Nomar Garciaparra 3B/1B Apr 26 60-day Strained left calf
Tony Abreu 3B/2B Mar 26 60-day Recovery from hernia surgery
Jason Schmidt SP Mar 21 60-day Recovery from right shoulder surgery
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
by SackMan on Jul 3, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aw, crap! That's my fantasy team!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That has to be an all-time record for $$$$$ on the DL
Furcal, Jones, Schmidt, Pierre, Penny….....ouch.
by rlpete on Jul 3, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is why Ned Colletti might be the worst GM in the majors right now.
The Dodgers are comprised of three groups of players: DePodesta’s acquisitions, the scouting departement’s draft picks, and Colletti’s free agents. Colletti’s free agents are just HORRIBLE.
by cwyers on Jul 3, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well with Bavasi gone
the competition is less.
by rlpete on Jul 3, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nomar and Jones off the DL tomorrow
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on Jul 3, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Cubs are going to be trading away a shortstop...
...we need to GET a shortstop from somewhere as well. Not saying it has to be a good one, but here’s a list of our shortstops at AAA:
Luis Figuroa
Andres Blanco
Joe Simonkaitis
I’d feel a little better if we found someone on waivers we could stash at AAA for depth.
by cwyers on Jul 3, 2008 2:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Furcal will be a free agent after this year
We could try going down that road again.
Of course, he’ll also be recovering from missing 3/4ths of the season with back problems.
by Wreckard on Jul 3, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean for right now.
If we trade away one of Cedeno/Theriot, and the other gets injured, who plays shortstop?
by cwyers on Jul 3, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just realized that was what you meant.
Um… Freddie Bynum’s available?
by Wreckard on Jul 3, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would guess it would be the man of the hour: Mike Fontenot.
IIRC, he did play a little shortstop in spring training. But that’s a scary thought.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hold me.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 3, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeRo.
The bigger question is: who backs up DeRo at SS, 2B, OF, etc.?
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by DeRoMyHero on Jul 3, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are the arbitration rules for opt-outs?
If Burnett opts out of his contract at the end of the year, can the Blue Jays offer arbitration and get compensatory draft picks?
by Wreckard on Jul 3, 2008 2:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe if he opts out..
then yes they get draft picks. It would be the same as if he were on his last year of his contract.
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by mkcubs21 on Jul 3, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But don't hold me to that 100%.
thats just my way i understand it answer.
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by mkcubs21 on Jul 3, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know...
it seems to me like suggesting a Cedeno for Burnett trade is akin to saying either the Jays are stupid, desperate, totally incapable of evaluating talent, or some combination of all of the above.
Personally, I’ve no problem with acquiring AJ - given that Sean Gallagher doesn’t go back in trade, and there is an assurance that he won’t opt out - but I think you have to understand that acquiring a shortstop doesn’t mean acquiring any shortstop. If the Cubs want in on that action, they’re better of getting some other teams involved - the Pirates and Jack Wilson perhaps - rather than trying to peddle, an already fundamentally unsound player who’s currently not hitting very well.
by Damen Jackson on Jul 3, 2008 2:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And yes I meant "better off"
n/t
by Damen Jackson on Jul 3, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A fundamentally unsound player who's currently not hitting very well?
We got rid of Michael Barrett didn’t we?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 3, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he is batting 1.000
when the ball hits him in the face.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jul 3, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't recall...
getting someone on par with AJ Burnett for him in return. Not that AJ is the end-all, be-all; I just think we can agree that he’s more talented and useful than Rob Bowen.
by Damen Jackson on Jul 3, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it seems to me like suggesting a Cedeno for Burnett trade is akin to saying either the Jays are stupid, desperate, totally incapable of evaluating talent, or some combination of all of the above.
Who’s suggesting such a thing? It’d be like saying, “You’re suggesting that a rich, creamy chocolate pie is better than a kick in the head.” There’s no suggesting involved here.
That said, you don’t seem to understand Cedeno’s value to a team – he’s young and CHEAP, unlike Jack Wilson, who’s old, banged up, and pricey.
by cwyers on Jul 3, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I hear so much as
a rumor suggesting a team has a serious interest in Ronny Cedeno, then perhaps I’ll reassess my opinion. I believe that any appeal that Ronny Cedeno has right now is offset by his consistently flawed fundamentals. However, I’ll happily recant when some team shows me different.
by Damen Jackson on Jul 3, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nevertheless...
... as cwyers says, Cedeno is still young (and cheap). Many teams look at young players who have some flaws and say “We can fix that.” Inevitably, they’re wrong, but still they keep trying.
If the Cubs can convince someone to keep trying and get a major league starting pitcher in return, go for it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 3, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely...
I just don’t see the Jays being convinced; at least not for Burnett.
by Damen Jackson on Jul 3, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes they're not wrong.
That’s how we got A-Ram.
by cwyers on Jul 3, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the Pirates were wrong.
They thought Bobby Hill was good.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 3, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to put too fine a point on it...
But as I recall, the Ramirez trade was more about money. He was about to become very expensive via arbitration, there wasn’t a great market for third basemen at the deadline that year, so they got what they could get. But it’s been awhile, so maybe I’m just hazy.
by Damen Jackson on Jul 3, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cardinals
fixed Lou Brock. That was a long time ago, for sure. But it’s one that comes to mind immediately. They told him to stop trying to hit home runs.
I’d say a more recent example is the work the way Adrian Gonzalez was turned around in San Diego.
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by Josh77 on Jul 3, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair...it depends on who is doin the kicking.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 3, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Say...she can kick me anytime.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 3, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
She can kick you AND make you a rich, creamy chocolate pie.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 3, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Injuries
Burnett has had more than a few injuries in his career. As has Harden. C.C. Sabathia, meanwhile, is one snap turn around to say high to a friend at a restaurant from pulling something.
However, as these three seem to be our best options I wouldn’t mind any of them.
by Snake Plisskin on Jul 3, 2008 2:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree 100%..
I know that Burnett and Harden have had injury problems in there past but currently both are healthy and are pitching well. You can’t predict if they are going to stay healthy, but as long as they are healthy know I believe they are upgrades over Marquis and/or Gallagher.
As for C.C. I really think that we could be dreaming on that one.
"Go Cubs Go"
by mkcubs21 on Jul 3, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except the Jays want a shortstop, not a second baseman.
by cwyers on Jul 3, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think they'd take Jeff Blauser?
I think we still hold the rights.
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by Josh77 on Jul 3, 2008 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
trades
hmmmm,who do the pirates-orioles have available???we usually do really well tradeing with these 2 teams.
by NOMAR on Jul 4, 2008 2:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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