Brewers look to be front-runner for Sabathia
Ken Rosenthal is reporting that the Milwaukee Brewers appear to be very serious in the C.C. Sabathia trade talks. According to Rosenthal, Milwaukee is offering Class AA left fielder Matt LaPorta. In addition, Class AA shortstop Alcides Escobar may also be included in Milwaukee's offer. If this is true, it clearly looks like the Brewers are in the drivers seat for the acquistion of Sabathia.
The Cubs are only mentioned in passing; saying that the Cubs want Sabathia, but their farm is not as stocked as Milwaukee's. The Indians clearly need hitting; that much is known; but what can the Cubs offer that the Brewers can't offer more of? Beats me.
Rosenthal's article is here.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8311012/Sources:-Brewers-making-serious-run-at-Sabathia
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That'd do it
We can’t match LaPorta. Vitters has a higher upside, but he’s a lot farther away and would be riskier for Cleveland. They need to get someone who is sure to contribute at the major league level.
I know less about Escobar, other than he’s a real tools monster and seems to be finally putting it together this season.
I don’t think anyone would really want to try to beat that.
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by Josh77 on Jul 4, 2008 12:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
Hope the Brewers enjoy three months of Sabathia.
by cwyers on Jul 4, 2008 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They would, according to Buster Olney in BB Tomight.
Because if Sabathia becomes a free agent at the end of the season, the Brewers would have 5 picks in the draft’s 1st round. That’s not a bad way to get some more prospects and replenish the farm.
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 4, 2008 2:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many picks do they have if they don't get CC?
by LT on Jul 4, 2008 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
three - their own plus two for the expected departure of Sheets to free agency
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by ballhawk on Jul 4, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats what I thought
the post above was trying to make it sound like you would get 5 picks for losing CC
by LT on Jul 4, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're counting
on getting two more picks for losing Ben Sheets, who they really aren’t trying to re-sign. So it’s five—two for Sabathia, two for Sheets and their own.
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by Josh77 on Jul 4, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe more.
They have other free agents at the end of the season as well – Jason Kendall for starters.
by cwyers on Jul 4, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no surprise here
Should make the division race even more interesting. Hopefully the Brewers have as much luck as the Expos did with Langston in 89.
by jeff_pico on Jul 4, 2008 1:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
don't the brewers have a greater need in the pen
than in the rotation? their rotation is GREAT, but their bullpen is where i see the most holes…
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 4, 2008 1:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's what I thought.
As good as Sabathia is, what would be accomplished by getting him if the Brewers bullpen cannot hold a lead? Just look at what happened to them Thursday in the 9th inning.
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 4, 2008 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent point.
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by Al on Jul 4, 2008 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turnbow's Been Terrible
Derrick Turnbow was a good MLB reliever once upon at time. Now, Turnbow’s getting pounded at AAA Nashville. Turnbow was supposed to be a big part of the Brewers bullpen this year.
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by memphiscub on Jul 4, 2008 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoping that C.C.
would rather play for Chicago than Milwaukee and have a chance to be part of a truly historical experience!
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 4, 2008 1:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure he would, BUT..
..he doesn’t really have a choice besides staying w/ Tribe
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by calicubfan on Jul 4, 2008 2:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buster Olney said the Indians are scouting the Brewers' prospects.
He said Thursday night on Baseball Tonight that this means the Brewers are front-runners in a future trade for Sabathia.
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 4, 2008 1:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How does that follow?
I’m guessing the Indians are scouting ALL the possible trade partners’ prospects.
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by Al on Jul 4, 2008 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Transcribed the report from TiVo and Buster said:
Buster Olney:
“The Milwaukee Brewers have dispersed scouts of all levels to evaluate Cleveland’s farm system and potential trade offers. When I talked to a highly placed official with the New York Yankees about this he commented, “I understand the desire to win now. We’re the Yankees, everything we do is important and everyone wants to see us succeed. We’ve got the greatest fans in the world and for us to not at least be mentioned in the Sabathia sweepstakes shows how far we’ve fallen in the baseball world.’
And while the Yankees not being part of the early running might be a shock, consider also that the Boston Red Sox do not appear interested either, despite trailing the AL East by a game and half. Boston vice-president Theo Epstein was more direct – “If we wanted Sabathia we’d get him. I mean, we just haven’t made up our minds, yet. Those deals with Beelzebub are pretty binding, so when the time is right, I’m sure we’d vault to the top of the ladder.”
Also mentioned as potential suitors for Sabathia’s service, other teams not in New York or Boston.
Buster Olney Reporting, ESPN.
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by Gibbon Jockey on Jul 4, 2008 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the funny thing is... you actually might be serious.
Crack me up. Excellent transcribing skills. If what you’re doing now for a living doesn’t work out, you have a future as a court stenographer… the People’s Court with Judge Jerry Springer
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by ballhawk on Jul 4, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's what I transcribed from my DVR, from BB Tonight's Thursday's 11:00 PM Central ed.:
Buster Olney said:
Well, this could be the bad news for the Cubs. In talking to executives who are involved in the negotiations for C.C. Sabathia, they report that the Indians have sent multiple scouts to the AA affiliate of the Milwaukee Brewers, the one team that seems to be involved in this that’s loaded with position prospects.
The indians have pitching coming up but they need some more offensive type guys. The Brewers have that in AA. Some of the other teams that could be involved may not be motivated to go after him, like the Rays and the Red Sox, or, you know, they may not have the prospects, like the Cubs.
Here’s the big question for the Brewers: If they trade for Sabathia, in all certainty he’s going to walk away as a free agent. Ben Sheets is going to be a free agent. That’s the downside.
The upside is if they make the trade, at the end of the year they get 5 draft picks in probably the first 35 next year because of the compensation when free agents walk away. So let’s see how steep the Brewers make their offer to the indians.
In short, both the Indians and the Brewers are scouting each other. (See Gibbon Jockey’s post above.)
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 5, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabathia and NTC
Does he have one or not?
Eat More Katsui
by CaliCub on Jul 4, 2008 2:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No..
..he doesn’t:
http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=545
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by calicubfan on Jul 4, 2008 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
You are correct then, that he has no say-so in the matter. Normally I detest NTCs but here’s one time that I wish a player had one!
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by CaliCub on Jul 4, 2008 2:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he's gonna have to pitch
9 innings every start, because the bullpen cannot be trusted to lock games down. Sure, they aren’t going to give up 6 in the 9th every night, but they have some real issues and if this implosion happens a few more times, not one of their late men will have any confidence at all going into a playoff push. This deal may turn into no big deal, all things considered, if the Cubs don’t sign C.C.
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by BigJohnAZ on Jul 4, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A single AA player
Even a highly regarded one, seems like too little. I realize another AA might get thrown in, but still…we’ve got guys who have actually tasted the big leagues.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and remember, half of them are stupider than that!
by DaBard on Jul 4, 2008 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No way the Cubs can come close
to the Brewers prospects. Tasting the big leagues doesn’t matter.
by rlpete on Jul 4, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is, like, Ptolemeic prospect evaluation.
There is a deep, abiding and fundamental mistake in your entire outlook on prospects. You realize that they might “throw in” a five-tool shortstop with high upside, along with the sort of power-hitting corner guy that the Indians so desperately need? Really?
by cwyers on Jul 4, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember always...
... that prospects are just that, prospects. They can fail. Witness: Felix Pie.
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by Al on Jul 4, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well sure.
But that’s just as true for our prospects as anyone else’s.
by cwyers on Jul 4, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course it is.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 4, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not just as true,
aome have already evidenced that, to our dismay.
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Jul 4, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
but so can established veterans: Witness: Ernie Broglio. Or if you want an example from this season, Robinson Cano. Or Eric Bynes. Or Carlos Delgado.
Veterans are not the sure things that people think they are.
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by Josh77 on Jul 4, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Johan Santana...
... who was supposed to lead the Mets to a 162-0 record, three postseason sweeps, and cure cancer.
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by Al on Jul 4, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
but that isn’t Johan’s fault. He’s been pretty good this season. Maybe not quite as good as the guy who was winning Cy Young awards in Minnesota, but easily one of the five best pitchers in the NL. Just not the best.
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by Josh77 on Jul 4, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't call Cano a Veteran
Plus, he’s a second half player, he’s already starting to heat up.
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by DTJchris on Jul 4, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cano
is 25 years old and has played three and a half full seasons in the majors. What, do you have to be eligible for free agency before you can be called a veteran?
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by Josh77 on Jul 4, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just wouldn't call a 25-year-old a veteran
But regardless, he is a second half player.
2007 1st half: .274 avg, .741 OPS, 6 HR’s
2007 2nd half: .343 avg, .953 OPS, 13 HR’s
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by DTJchris on Jul 4, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well you can have your own definition
but anyone with 3.5 years of service under their belt is considered a veteran by me.
What, is he on your fantasy team?
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by Josh77 on Jul 4, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he's on my team in my pay league
I picked him up on waivers a month into the year and have been telling myself since, “be patient, he’s a second half player.”
So hopefully Cano will keep to his pattern, I hope…
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by DTJchris on Jul 4, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's all witchcraft and voodoo.
Split-halves have absolutely no predictive value.
by cwyers on Jul 4, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or, they can succeed
witness: the three players Shapiro brought in for Colon in 2002: Grady Sizemore, Cliff Lee, and Brandon Phillips
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by gary varsho on Jul 4, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it might be a bit too early to call
Felix a failure. He’s still only 21 or 22. I think there is a chance, albeit slim, that he might turn things around.
by inukjim on Jul 4, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adding C.C.
actually strengthens their bullpen too. How? Somebody currently in the rotation moves to the bullpen and Mota goes bye bye.
by MickS on Jul 4, 2008 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That depends on whether you think...
... any of their starters will become a competent setup man.
The most likely suspect is Dave Bush. I’m thinking he’s not that much better at setup than Mota.
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by Al on Jul 4, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
afraid
i’m growing more afraid by the day that we dont have what it takes to land any available starter better than what we already have.
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by cubsluver22 on Jul 4, 2008 11:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sabathia
Buster Olney was the same guy among others reporting Brian Roberts was a Cub.
Go Cubs
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jul 4, 2008 12:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't remember that
I think that was Gammons. But I wouldn’t dispute it. I don’t have a ton of respect for Olney.
But Ken Rosenthal is also reporting it, and that gives it a lot of credibility.
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by Josh77 on Jul 4, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rosenthal isn't always right, either.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 4, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But at least Rosenthal's got the cajones to admit he's wrong..
He’s done retractions before and I’ve never seen Olney and most others do that.
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by Bump Bailey on Jul 4, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No he's not perfect
I’m just saying it’s harder to dismiss the report when two are reporting it and one of them is Ken Rosenthal.
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by Josh77 on Jul 4, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
Rosenthal was actually one of the biggest boys on the Roberts rumor.
Go Cubs
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jul 4, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Brewers would certainly have a much better staff if they get Sabathia
than us, they already have a more consistent lineup, I just think were better in terms of bullpen
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by CubsBall2202 on Jul 4, 2008 12:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sheets and Sabathia would be a mega-potent 1-2 punch....
And just imagine if they had Yovani Gallardo healthy !! Call me Debbie Downer all you want, but if the Brewers land Sabathia then they are in the driver’s seat in the National League Central.
Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.
by MDBNIU on Jul 4, 2008 12:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Brewers bullpen is terrible
Jeez, it blows. Torres is their best RP and he is a mediocre closer at best. Maybe if they trade more solid prospects for two reliable setupman, but nobody now these days will give up RP that easily. Their SP will be solid, but their pen will still be their downfall. Sure, you can argue the Cubs pen is mediocre, but not as bad as the Brew Crew pen.
And no, they won’t be in the driver seat in the NL Central. They are still 4.5 games behind the games and as of right now the Cubs are in control of winning their division.
by Geo4MVP on Jul 4, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, the Cubs will get a SP
They will go after a SP like Burnett or possibly Bedard (if he is out there in a reasonable price), but don’t know who they would offer. And forget Harden; knowing Beane’s trading history you should know he demands the best of the best in return for any of his players. Look at the Mulder trade, Swisher trade, and Dan Haren trade.
by Geo4MVP on Jul 4, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Burnett and Bedard
Burnett, with his opt out clause, is in the same FA boat after the season as Sabathia, although much more signable. Bedard is, well, Bedard…living off a past reputation that he no longer deserves.
by MickS on Jul 4, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harden
is the worst deal of them all. Beane wants a Sabathia like return for a pitcher whose new club will forever be holding their breathe waiting for the next big breakdown.
by MickS on Jul 4, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by gary varsho on Jul 4, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indians
have DFA both Bauer and Borowski, clearing two 40 man roster spots. Coincidence?
by MickS on Jul 4, 2008 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably not.
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by Al on Jul 4, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some news of note
at the MVN Indians blog.
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by gary varsho on Jul 4, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTMJ Radio Milwaukee says that Doug Melvin and Mark Shapiro are in serious talks today
Take it for what it’s worth. .
Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.
by MDBNIU on Jul 4, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It makes sense
for Milwaukee to blow away Cleveland and get Sabathia rather than wait until July 31 when it might be too late. Even if they have to overpay—if they wait until the end of the month the four or five starts that Sabathia doesn’t make might cost the Brewers the playoffs.
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by Josh77 on Jul 4, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good luck Joe
Thanks for the memories.
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by JohnM on Jul 4, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh oh
I’ve yet to be really worried about the cards chances this year. what I am concerned about is the brewers. they have a potent offense that is dangerous. maybe one of the best lineups in all of baseball IMO. but they have no bullpen including closer and need at least 2 sp. if they want cc and he is really gonna be traded—he’s theres.
now where it gets tricky is what if rauch is indeed available from the nats? if doug melvin decides to throw the chips in and go for broke-were in for one helluva dogfight. if i’m melvin and I can get cc and I know i’m not gonna have sheets after this year-i’m going for it.
this goes w/o saying but we need every single W. I gotta believe this race is going down to the wire.it’s time for our cubbies to man up. we need big z to be the man starting tonight.
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by cubsluver22 on Jul 4, 2008 2:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Brewers
Look at the lineup pieces….two superstars in the making in Prince Fielder and Ryan Braun….one of the finest ballplayers nobody talks about in Corey Hart….a great defensive shortstop in JJ Hardy….and an immensely talented albeit enigmatic young hitter in Rickie Weeks (who really needs to move to the outfield to unlock his potential ala BJ Upton in Tampa Bay). Add to that Ben Sheets, Yovani Gallardo, Manny Parra…. And a still very well stocked farm system. Pretty damn good.
Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.
by MDBNIU on Jul 4, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In other words
In other words your conceding the division to the Brewers.
Go Cubs
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jul 4, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gallardo is out for the season
so he doesn’t factor into this year, and there’s no way Brewers have Sheets and CC after this year.
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by DTJchris on Jul 4, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are they as good as you said the Diamondbacks were earlier this season?
Look at their record right now.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 4, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
c.c.
saw a sign at a rays-indians game held by a tampa fan. OUR CC IS BETTER THAN YOUR CC. carl crawford of course.jeez did,nt we have a better record than the rays???
by NOMAR on Jul 4, 2008 2:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If the Brewers think that they can catch the Cubs
I think they will try there hardest to get CC, hear is why I think this,
If they lose, Ben Sheets who is there next best pitcher.
And they just gave Fielder and Braun contract extension, so if they cant pull this trade then will out good pitching it might be a couple of years before they are back.
If this has already been said please let me know, and educate me if you see something wrong
Who am I to judge myself.
by brownbuddha on Jul 4, 2008 3:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Ben Sheet leaves, who is there next best pitcher there ACE?
Who am I to judge myself.
by brownbuddha on Jul 4, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brewers didn't sign Prince to a contract extension and Gallardo could be considered an Ace next year.
by brewfan2 on Jul 4, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anything new up there on the CC thing?
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by gary varsho on Jul 4, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don't need to catch us
They just need to catch the Cardinals for the Wild Card. They certainly believe they can catch St. Louis. Catching us would just be gravy.
The idea is to be the wild card team and then use the starting pitching rotation of Sabathia, Sheets and Parra to pitch their way through the playoffs.
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by Josh77 on Jul 4, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"hear is why I think this"
Grammar on the internet is making my brain hurt. C’mon brownbuddha you can do better than that.
by MickS on Jul 4, 2008 3:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I am sorry
You never make mistakes?
Who am I to judge myself.
by brownbuddha on Jul 4, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ever one can be better on this site
Who am I to judge myself.
by brownbuddha on Jul 4, 2008 3:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Lord!
...”there next best pitcher”...
“Ever one…”
Never mind. I give up. I hope for your sake that you are in the 3rd grade and have some instruction ahead of you.
by MickS on Jul 4, 2008 3:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Milwaukee is loaded...
If they choose to pay the price for Sabathia which i think they will i think they are then the team to beat in the NL central… they have too much hitting and their top three of Sheets Sabathia and Parra is just scary at that point….
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by fischisgod on Jul 4, 2008 5:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate the fact that they appear to be the ones that will land CC but...
they seem to have a touch of Cubbie past to them this season. I think CC or no CC, they will not win this division. Plus, look for the Cubs to do the next best with SP after CC is in Milwaukee.
Just my opinion though.
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Jul 4, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs are the team to beat until someone actually beats us.
by cwyers on Jul 4, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Spoken with that Cubbie swagger. Me likes!
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by Bump Bailey on Jul 4, 2008 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about their bullpen?
their pen is pathetic! Their best RP is Torres and after that there is nobody. You need a strong pen in order to even make the postseason. If they even want to win the games in September, be prepared to let both Sheets and Sabathia go 8+ innings. Otherwise, they will choke.
by Geo4MVP on Jul 4, 2008 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
melvin
if melvin goes out and gets cc, which i see happening, i think he turns around and gets a closer like rauch and a couple other relievers to help that pen. one things for sure in all of this-melvin damn sure holds the trade chips able to get all of this done. if i’m melvin i know a couple things—mgmnt isnt going to give me huge dollars to resign a #1 starter like cc or sheets at the end of the season. let me rephrase that—they havent yet. here are the facts: i got sheets until the end of the year and a great offense. my farm system is loaded to the core, my bullpen sux and i need at least one more starter. cc is available and rauch seems to be. IF he can add a great #1 starter and great closer.
he sets up a dominant 123 punch and ensures, if he can get to the 9th—he wins. now leaves a couple descent middle relievers to go and get which are very attainable.
i’m not saying there gonna beat us but what I am saying is that were in for a helluva dogfight if they do in fact pull the trigger on a couple blockbusters in which they have the pieces to do easily.
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