Glass Half Full: Cubs 3, Giants 8

a) A glass half empty
b) A glass half full
c) When is it going to spill?
a) A glass half empty b) A glass half full c) When is it going to spill?
That's an old Cub fan joke, and maybe it isn't that funny, especially after another bad-looking loss, 8-3 to the Giants, but if you're getting that "sky is falling" feeling this morning, think about this: You could be a Brewers fan, having just watched your team blow a five-run ninth inning lead to the Diamondbacks and lose 6-5 when three Milwaukee relievers faced seven Arizona hitters in the 9th and got none of them out.
Or, you could be a Cardinals fan, having just watched your team get blown out 11-1 by a mediocre Mets team (remember? the team the Cubs beat 7-1 and 8-1 in Chicago in April?) and having Tony LaRussa treat one of his kid starters, Mitchell Boggs, like he did Jason Marquis two years ago and leave him on the mound for six innings to take an 10-hit, 6-walk, 11-run pounding.
Feel better now? Since Carlos Zambrano walked off the mound in Tampa on June 18, making all of us cringe as he called the coaching and training staff out to look at his right shoulder, the Cubs are 6-8. Yet, they have lost exactly one game of their division lead since that date, and tonight Z takes the mound in St. Louis in a matchup of the teams with the two best records in the National League, in a series the Cubs really have to win, if for no other reason than to actually prove to themselves that they can win a series on the road -- they haven't since the series I attended in Toronto three weekends ago.
They should have won the series in San Francisco instead of splitting it -- especially after scoring three runs off Tim Lincecum, a run total he's allowed only six times in his 18 starts this year. Sean Gallagher had one bad inning, the second, in which he allowed all four of his runs, and the last one scored when Geovany Soto dropped a Ray Durham popup that allowed the fourth (unearned) run to score. In fairness, the wind was howling pretty good yesterday and that took the ball from foul to fair territory, away from Geovany. Still, if he catches it, Mark DeRosa's two-run double in the sixth would have tied the game instead of just making it 4-3 and then who knows?
What I do know is that Jose Ascanio is likely headed back to Iowa today when Z is activated (and Gallagher's headed to the bullpen). Despite having a good arm, Ascanio has had a penchant for helping turn close games into blowouts. He did it last Sunday at the Cell when he allowed a two-run HR by Jim Thome that turned a 3-1 deficit into a virtually insurmountable 5-1 lead, and again yesterday when he misplayed Omar Vizquel's bunt. Vizquel is an excellent bunter, but the one in the 7th yesterday might have been turned into a double play with a better-fielding pitcher. At the very least it should have resulted in an out; Lou had very little patience with his bullpen yesterday, pulling Ascanio right after that and then yanking his replacement, Carlos Marmol, after Marmol threw exactly three pitches to Rich Aurilia, the third of which was deposited in the LF bleachers to make the score 7-3, effectively ending the game.
You want to worry about Marmol? Go ahead, because so am I (and so is Lou). Including his meltdown in Tampa on June 19, Marmol in his last seven appearances has pitched five innings, allowed five hits, seven walks and three HR for ten earned runs and an 18.00 ERA. I don't know what's wrong with him; if he's hurt he needs to get to the DL, and if he's not, something has to be turned around quickly because the Cubs can't win games without him.
The shadows at Phone Holding Company Park weren't a factor till about the seventh inning; at game time the entire field was still in bright sunshine, but that didn't help the Cubs hit Tim Lincecum that well. He still struck out eight in his six innings.
So while you might think things are collapsing, take heart. Z returns tonight. Alfonso Soriano's going to start hitting off a tee tonight, in anticipation of a rehab assignment and possibly a return by next weekend. The Cubs still have the third-best record in baseball, behind the Rays and Angels, and maintain a 2.5 game division lead.
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I am really worried about Marmol
awful game. Glad we got that out of our system before St. Louis.
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on Jul 4, 2008 8:13 AM CDT 0 recs
Half Full
Always have been always will.
Marmol: IMO, his control obviously right now is horrendus, and when he falls behind in the count, which is about 80% of the time, his strikes are belt high. The last two homeruns to Durham and Aurila both belt or just a tad higher. If he is physically fine, what do you do? Hell you still have to run him out there. Sending him down to me is not an option. I agree he is a huge part of the Cubs success.
Lets have a good weekend, Ramy is back, and Reed Johnson, who is vital for this team is back. Any Idea if “Z” is on any type of pitch count?
Go Cubs!
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Jul 4, 2008 8:25 AM CDT 0 recs
Article linked by Al said...
85-90 pitch limit for Z.
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by carmen_fanzone on
Jul 4, 2008 9:03 AM CDT
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Thanks
did not read the link
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on
Jul 4, 2008 12:45 PM CDT
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That's kind of why I put those links there...
... because putting the whole text in the post makes the posts really, really long.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 4, 2008 1:05 PM CDT
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Didn't get to watch.............
............the game yesterday, but it looks like Cotts pitched well. Especially with Eyre out, his performance is going to be critical.
The Cubs have to face the Cards so-called three best pitchers. Frankly they’re all back end guys, but they’ve managed to perform so far. That said, Looper and Wellemeyer were both hammered their last times out, and perhaps that pattern can continue.
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
by tville on Jul 4, 2008 8:56 AM CDT 0 recs
I also say Half Full
(And probably teeming with icky micro-organisms, if you look closely enough.)
Heck, we aren’t even to the ASB yet, and it seems like every series brings out terms like “must-win” and “season-defining.” I hearken back to Al’s wise reminder that our Boys in Blue are still the most patient team in baseball. Can we as fans say the same for ourselves?
Many games to come vs. the Cards and Brewers, many opportunities to control our fortunes.
“Fill ‘er up!”
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
by Goodie1969 on Jul 4, 2008 8:57 AM CDT 0 recs
Spoiled
I think we got a little spoiled by the way they played for 2 1/2 months that this 2 weeks gets magnified.
Go Cubs
by cubstoseriesby100 on
Jul 4, 2008 12:01 PM CDT
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Always half full.....that said ESPN reporting CC about to go to Milwaukee
Cubs would do well making that deal for Burkett that is probably available and if Toronto is correct they want a SS in return, plus probably two players in replacement to the supplemental draft. Cedeno is the target of course so if the Cubs are going to step up to the plate they probably will need to deal something of value like Marshall and two prospects.
Then the Cubs can go ahead and trade for Vizquel later in the month as they will need a SS back up for certain.
Marmol has lost a bit of confidence. He needs a good all star break.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Jul 4, 2008 9:05 AM CDT 0 recs
Vizquel?
You can’t be serious. The man simply cannot hit any more. He is 41 years old. Why do you have a fixation on him?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 4, 2008 9:33 AM CDT
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Not for the hitting....
..... but for the late inning glove work.
Santo Forever!
by BeerCub on
Jul 4, 2008 9:34 AM CDT
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Still. Not. Worth. It.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 4, 2008 9:37 AM CDT
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Besides Vizquel's woeful hitting...
... go look at his fielding numbers. His range factor is way down. He’s done. I can’t imagine why the Giants are still putting him out there every day.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 4, 2008 9:38 AM CDT
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Looks Like Bowa At the End
I hate seeing good or great shortstops decline at the end of their careers. Vizquel should get a lot of Hall of Fame votes, but he’s only a shadow of his former self. Bowa couldn’t hit at all at the end of his career. Bowa’s range was shrinking, when Dunston joined the Cubs. Bowa was overshadowed by the flashiness of Ozzie Smith at SS. Bowa had some of the surest hands of any SS I have ever seen.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on
Jul 4, 2008 9:47 AM CDT
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Bowa could at least hit about .240...
... which is what he did for his last couple of years with the Cubs. Vizquel isn’t doing that. He’s done.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 4, 2008 12:00 PM CDT
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Al's Magic
He proclaimed Jim Edmonds “done” and alakazam! So now, if we get Vizquel, Omar will revert to his vintage Indians form! Thanks Al! :-)
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by CaliCub on
Jul 4, 2008 1:37 PM CDT
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Once again, John Burkett is retired. AJ Burnett is his name.
If you wish to be taken seriously, at a minimum you should be able to correctly identify the players involved and spell their names correctly.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Jul 4, 2008 10:16 AM CDT
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John Burkett? Maybe he's thinking of
Johnny Burnette?
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on
Jul 4, 2008 3:53 PM CDT
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Likely not.
IvyWalls doesn’t strike me as a big rockabilly fan!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Jul 4, 2008 3:55 PM CDT
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No trade proposals for Gene Vincent or Carl Perkins then?
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on
Jul 4, 2008 3:59 PM CDT
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Where do you see this? Not on ESPN.com
Devin Hester, you are rediculous! -Jeff Joniak
by ARAM FOR MVP on
Jul 4, 2008 12:06 PM CDT
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Yeah. Link please?
I don’t see it either. Strangely I can’t find any rumors about Burkett, Sabo, or even Valdes.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on
Jul 4, 2008 12:07 PM CDT
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He's probably talking about Buster Olney's report.
Which was, of course, far from definitive.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 4, 2008 12:10 PM CDT
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Do you have some sort of problem with being unable to spell Burnett properly, my god
Everytime you post it it says Burkett but people continually tell you it is Burnett
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
by CubsBall2202 on
Jul 4, 2008 12:26 PM CDT
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There's a guy on the Cardinal's site that mentions "Cows" or "Moo" in every single post.
Drives them crazy over there…lol.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on
Jul 4, 2008 12:29 PM CDT
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He did the same
thing with Edmonds name. When I see his posts I usually ignore them.
by sue369 on
Jul 4, 2008 1:45 PM CDT
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Well the frankenpitcher
Burkett isn’t available. Maybe we could get Burnett but is he an improvement over what we have. But I have to realize that you have inside information that never pans out.
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
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by bubbamike the one and only on
Jul 4, 2008 12:45 PM CDT
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I say half full
and realize that this stretch on the schedule even before the injuries was going to be really tough anyway. If we take 2 of 3 this weekend, I say mission accomplished. Use the ASB to recharge and evaluate our weaknesses to make the 2nd half a strong one.
Couldn’t watch the game yesterday, but when I saw the score on the crawl I figured Gallagher just didn’t have it.
Hard to believe that the Cards are pretty dominant on the road and we just can’t get it going. As well as we pound teams at Wrigley, you would think that some of that would carry over on our away games, but it’s far and few between. We don’t have to be a juggernaut on the road, but if we don’t have home field advantage in the playoffs, it’s gonna be extra tough to win each series.
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by BigJohnAZ on Jul 4, 2008 9:06 AM CDT 0 recs
My only fear tonight...
...is Z is too pumped up and tries to overthrow. Breathe in, breathe out, Z.
Marmol is a big concern. He’s, obviously, not getting any better. We’ll need someone to step up (Cotts?), if this continues.
And you could see the Aurillia HR was demoralizing to the team last night. You could see a collective shoulder slump by the team after that.
But, hey, what’s past is past. Let’s get the bats going this weekend and win at least 2 of 3!
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 4, 2008 9:08 AM CDT 0 recs
I agree on Z tonight
he’s seen us suck for 2 weeks and he’ll try to win 3 games tonight. Hope our coaches can get him to relax and be the Z we all love to watch when he’s in (somewhat) control. I don’t want him TOO calm out there, need him to be a little fired up lol
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by BigJohnAZ on
Jul 4, 2008 9:17 AM CDT
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Z Is For Zoloft
Which I hope that he takes
So the Cubs sweep St.. Louis
For Heavenly Sakes!
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by CaliCub on
Jul 4, 2008 1:39 PM CDT
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I'm less worried about Z on the mound
and more worried he’ll do something stupid w/ a bat in his hand.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Jul 4, 2008 1:59 PM CDT
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Our short term perception...
of the team can change quickly if Z pitches well and the Cubs are able to take 2 of 3 this weekend. I say half full.
This is one of hopefully only 2 or 3 tough times in the season, the Cubs are still 2.5 up and finally everyone is getting healthly. The only thing I am actually concerned about is Marmol, I think he will turn it around but without him being himself the bullpen becomes very average.
Lets do it Cubbies
by slocs55 on Jul 4, 2008 9:10 AM CDT 0 recs
The real question:
Is whether the glass is filling up or leaking. While at first glance we all may say it’s leaking, when you look at all 162 games, this is hopefully just a blip. All teams go through spells when they don’t hit, don’t pitch as well as other times. Becoming healthy will go a long way to starting to fill that glass back up. This team will bounce back and I hope the Cardinals are the potion to get us going. Winning 2 of 3 would be huge. With 28 home games and 22 road games until the end of August we need to position ourselves for September with some cushion.
BTW, we need to keep CC from going to Milwaukee!
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Jul 4, 2008 9:11 AM CDT 0 recs
How ...
do we keep CC from going to Milwaukee?
If It Takes Forever ....
by wrigley1 on
Jul 4, 2008 9:23 AM CDT
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Get him ourselves
I know, we don’t have enough. That’s why Hendry needs some magic!
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on
Jul 4, 2008 9:29 AM CDT
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With the pundits saying...
... CC is all but a Brewer, Hendry has to talk to Mark Shapiro and say, “What will it take to get him to us instead of Milwaukee?”
If the cost is not too high, the Cubs have to do it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Jul 4, 2008 9:34 AM CDT
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Milwaukee's problem all year
has not been starting pitching. It is innings 6-9. They have lost 19 games when they had the lead, so unless CC is going to pitch 10-12 complete games, he will not solve their problems. Mike Maddux has done a great job taking mediocre guys and turning them into decent starters, but management has given him a crappy back end of the bullpen (Gag-me, Torres) and they had to release Turn-blow.
So if they sign CC, I don’t see how it resolves the Suds real problem this year. It seems they are jsus desperate to have the Cubs not sign him AND they want CC for next year as they are unlikely to sign Sheets next year.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on
Jul 4, 2008 10:52 AM CDT
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Al
Remember all the same pundits who say CC is going to the Brewers were saying Brian Roberts was definitely coming to the Cubs.
Go Cubs
by cubstoseriesby100 on
Jul 4, 2008 11:59 AM CDT
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100% agreed
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on
Jul 4, 2008 12:20 PM CDT
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We can only hope Milwaukee decides that neither LaPorta nor Gamel are worth a rent-a-player
If either is included, nobody else can top the Brewers’ offer. Since they’d get 2 comp picks after losing CC in the off-season anyway, I don’t see why they wouldn’t go for it.
by ohboy on
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Half Full
And I think this mini-slump is coming at exactly the right time (a few weeks before the trade deadline) so that it exposes what the Cubs’ real needs are and Hendry goes out and does something. Had they cruised along, there might have been a tendency to not get a certain player and opt for something else.
I think another reliever is a must. I’d go after Brian Fuentes. Now that Marmol has come back to earth the team needs Wood insurance now more than ever, and I’d rather Howry stay as one of the effective set up guys instead of moving him. Obtaining Fuentes serves many purposes- another lefty, because let’s face it. we hold our breath when Cots goes out there and Eyre hasn’t stayed unjury free; he’s a very good set up guy and confuses both righties and lefties with that delievery; and he’s got closer experience in the event that’s needed. I’d rate Fuentes the number one priority. Look at all the games lately that the Cubs led or were close, like yesterday, and then boom!
Spitballing here- is Vizquel worth Cedeno? I think so. If this was covered elsewhere in the last few days I apologize, but I don’t think Cedeno’s head will ever completely be in the game. I’d love to be as physically gifted as him, but the other day, rather than toss to the second baseman for a double playrelay, he ran to the base and lost the out at first, thereby extending the Giants’ inning. It seems he is now making up new ways to mentaly mess up.
Since I live in Long Beach, the Angels have quite the logjam in the infield, still. Macier Izturis will likely never play regularly for them, and he’d be a great everyday shortstop for someone. The guy also plays third and second as if he was born there, and playing under Scioscia, mental mistakes just don’t happen. I’d love to see him in Wrigley, but I don’t know what the Cubs have the Angels would want.
Santo Forever!
by BeerCub on Jul 4, 2008 9:25 AM CDT 0 recs
The Cubs have expressed interest in Fuentes.
He has had two major meltdowns in the last week. I’d be leery.
And once again—Omar Vizquel? Please. He’s done. And that’s done in the sense of REALLY done, not Jim Edmonds “done”. Vizquel is hitting .159/.231/.182 in a not-small-sample-size 132 at-bats. If you want a black hole in the lineup every time you trot him out there, then trade for him.
Stay away. FAR away.
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by Al on
Jul 4, 2008 9:36 AM CDT
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Okay then...
... what else? What with all the kvetching about Theriot, who I personally don’t think is all that bad, but I’ll grant could be better, what happens at short? Do you really want to rely on Cedeno in a crucial moment? I think the guy has rocks in his head that will never go away. If we could put Theriot’s head on Cedeno’s body, we’d have an all-star for years, but of course, science hasn’t progressed that far. Just ask Ted Williams.
As for Fuentes, does two bad outings render a guy with an overall solid history not wrth pursuing?
Santo Forever!
by BeerCub on
Jul 4, 2008 9:42 AM CDT
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Renteria?
Detroit may decide not to pick up his 2009 option, and they would want a younger guy to play SS? So would Hendry and Lou give enough weight to experience and a history of better fielding to do a Theriot-Edgar swap? Not that I’m advocating it – just lookin’ for your thoughts.
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by CaliCub on
Jul 4, 2008 1:43 PM CDT
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After Renteria's actions last year when we played the Braves...
....he’s the last guy I’d want on this team.
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by carmen_fanzone on
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Vizquel
I agree with Al on Vizquel. I made the four SF games this week and anyone can tell he cannot hit. Even the Giants fans cringe when he is at bat. It would be a mistake to trade anyone for Vizquel.
wccubfan
by wccubfan on
Jul 4, 2008 2:28 PM CDT
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Glass More Than Half Full; Get AJ
The Cubs are still in first place after losing 7 out of 10. Had the Cardinals won 7 out of their 10, I would not be so optimistic. The Cubs still have the best team in the division. I’m confident the Cubs will get another quality starter. If the Cubs can’t get CC, try AJ. He could really help the club. Yes, AJ has a history of injury problems. No, Burnett hasn’t had the career of Sabathia. AJ would be a good fourth starter for the Cubs. While Marquis has had some good games such as his last start in San Francisco, I trust Burnett to be more consistent than Marquis.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Jul 4, 2008 9:40 AM CDT 0 recs
It's half a glass of water.
We just went through the toughest portion of our schedule, without Zambrano and Soriano. Not to mention no Reed Johnson, Daryl Ward(for a time), Ramirez missed three games, Marmol is in a slump and we are still in first place.
by Imtrejo on Jul 4, 2008 9:41 AM CDT 0 recs
...and a month with a lot of road games.
Looking at the schedule a month ago, I think any of us would have been pleased to know the Cubs would maintain a 2.5-game lead in the division on July 4th.
by ChipSet on
Jul 4, 2008 9:46 AM CDT
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hear hear
my sentiments exactly
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
by Emelie on
Jul 4, 2008 10:18 AM CDT
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From June 2 to yesterday
which was the “tough stretch” they had to get through, they went 15-14. Actually I guess the Cardinals series is the last part of this tough stretch, so if they can win one, they will have treaded water at 500 during it. Not great, but by no means a disaster either.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
by JohnM on
Jul 4, 2008 10:18 AM CDT
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Correct.
And from Tuesday to the end of the season, it’s 38 home games, 35 road games.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
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I just have something to get off my cheest...
Why didn’t Trammel bring in Eyre to face Thome in the last game at the Cell? Eyre seemed to be ready in the pen, the game was still within reach, and we would of had a lefty/lefty matchup.
Instead he leaves in Ascanio, Thome hits a 2-R HR, and then the game is out of reach. In the top of the 9th, if you remember, the Cubs had a double (I think Soto) and had guys on 2nd and 3rd. Now a single wouldn’t matter as much.
It was just something that I’ve been thinking about since then and it feels good to get it off of my chest.
Bleeding Cubbie Blue since 1985.
by Bricks and Ivy on Jul 4, 2008 9:41 AM CDT 0 recs
Mike Murphy Dissected This
on his show the other day so you have a like-chested compatriot out there.
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by CaliCub on
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OT- Francouer Sent to Double A
Not worthy of its own diary here, but the Braves sent him down to work on his hitting. Holy moly.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/07/04/bc.bbn.braves.francoeur.ap/index.html
Felix Pie, you think you got troubles…...
Santo Forever!
by BeerCub on Jul 4, 2008 10:15 AM CDT 0 recs
Apparently it IS worth its own diary. lol
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on
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Wow... that's crazy.
I guess those Sports Illustrated covers really do have mysterious voodoo.

I guess is answer is “NO.”
by ElvisCole on
Jul 4, 2008 2:38 PM CDT
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Ascanio was fine
He gave up a bloop hit and wasn’t able to make a great play on a bunt. No reason to take him out.
by kanderber on Jul 4, 2008 10:29 AM CDT 0 recs
It's a numbers game.
Somebody has to leave to make room for Zambrano. He’s the most expendable.
by cwyers on
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Agreed.
I was talking about yesterday’s game. I didn’t see any reason to take him out of the game at that point. Lou sometimes has an itchy trigger finger though.


