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Pregame Thread: Cubs vs. Cardinals, Friday 7/4, 7:15 CT

Chicago Cubs at St. Louis Cardinals, Jul 4, 2008 7:15 PM CDT



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Chicago Cubs
@ St. Louis Cardinals

Friday, Jul 4, 2008, 7:15 PM CDT
Busch Stadium

Carlos Zambrano vs Braden Looper

Partly cloudy. Winds blowing from left to right field at 5-10 m.p.h. Game Time temperature: Around 80.

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I exchanged five questions about the upcoming series with Larry Borowsky of the SBN Cardinals site Viva El Birdos. You can go there for my answers to his questions; here are his responses to mine:

BCB: How? OK, that's the short version, but many Cubs fans thought the Cardinals were headed for a rebuilding year. How are they doing it? How are this year's Cardinals contending at midseason?

VEB: Most Cardinal fans expected a rebuilding year too; we’re as surprised as you guys are. Here are three reasons why they’re winning. Reason #1: the St. Louis pitchers are among the league’s best at preventing walks and home runs. Two guys who didn’t project to be in the Cardinal rotation when spring training began, Kyle Lohse and Todd Wellemeyer, are having breakout seasons; Wellemeyer’s elbow has been bothering him for a month, and that’s a huge concern because the Cards can’t replace him if his performance drops off. Reason #1A: the defense has been outstanding at nearly every position (with the possible exception of left field). The pitchers keep the ball in play, and the fielders get to most of those balls and turn them into outs. The Cardinals’ collapse last year had a lot to do with bad defense up the middle ---- Edmonds and Eckstein both had awful years with the glove --- and it has improved by leaps and bounds in 2008. Reason #3: They’re getting tremendous mileage out of a pretty unspectacular group of outfielders. Ryan Ludwick, Rick Ankiel, and Skip Schumaker are all in their late 20s and all first-year regulars --- it has taken them a long time to blossom. None is an MVP candidate, but they’re all getting on base and hitting for power. Any or all of them might be half-year flukes, but so far they’ve shown an ability to make adjustments.

BCB: Will Ryan Franklin continue to close all year, or will Jason Isringhausen get the job back? Or will it go to someone else?

VEB: Isringhausen looked great his first half-dozen games back from the DL and appeared ready to reclaim the closer’s job, but then he messed up his knee during a stretching exercise. He’s now pitching with the knee in a brace. His mechanics already were very delicate, owing to the balky hip which was repaired in 2006 --- if the knee continues to bother him and / or reactivates the hip problem, then he may be headed back to the DL (or into retirement) instead of the closer’s role. If Izzy doesn’t return as closer, Franklin probably will stay there --- he has been serviceable so far.

BCB: What do you fear most about facing the Cubs this weekend?

VEB: I wouldn’t use the word "fear"; I’m looking forward to seeing how the two teams match up. The Cards and Cubs will meet 9 or 10 more times after this set, so nothing will be decided this week. I do think the Cubs have one big advantage they might exploit: The Cardinal pitching is extremely vulnerable at the moment, so I can imagine a scenario in which the mighty Cub lineup blows the Cardinals out 3 times in a row. That outcome wouldn’t surprise me. And Ted Lilly is generally hard on the Cardinals, so the Saturday game is a tough matchup for our team. But even if the series goes badly, the Cardinals don’t have much to fear at all --- they weren’t and aren’t expected to win anything this year, and there is very little pressure on them. Being the underdog rocks.

BCB: What's your biggest worry -- what is/are the thing(s) that could go wrong to make the Cardinals' wheels fall off?

VEB: Their pitching staff is really thin with Wainwright out and Wellemeyer ailing. It is affecting not only the rotation but also the bullpen, which has a heavier load to carry and is starting to sag under the burden. Wainwright is talking about returning to the rotation right after the All-Star break, but I think he’s just being optimistic; from what I’ve heard he’s likely to be absent until some time in August. If Wellemeyer doesn’t get back on track, the Cards will have to trade for a starting pitcher to stay in the race, and they will think long and hard before they trade any prospects for a rent-a-pitcher --- the long-term rebuilding plan remains a higher organizational priority than the 2008 race.

BCB: What are the strengths and weaknesses of all three teams in the Central race?

VEB: That’s a big question, and I only have time for a quick n dirty answer. In my mind, all 3 teams are vulnerable in the rotation --- all 3 aces (Z, Wainwright, and Sheets) have health concerns, and all 3 rotations are ordinary (or worse) when those aces are absent. I think Sheets is the best pitcher in the division, the kind of guy who can singlehandedly propel a team to great heights --- and he’s largely been healthy this year. The Cardinals have the best hitter (and he, too, can singlehandedly drive a team to victory), but the Cubs have the best overall offense and the most weapons. Without question the Cardinals have the best defense. On paper the Cubs and Brewers look like the best teams, but the Cards have played themselves into the mix. It’s possible we’ll end up with a kind of race baseball has never seen, in which 3 teams from one division are vying for two playoff spots. That would be exciting.
Today's Starting Pitchers
Carlos Zambrano
C. Zambrano
Cubs
vs. Braden Looper
B.
Looper

Cardinals
8-3 W-L 9-5
3.13 ERA 4.26
68 SO 44
36 BB 26
7 HR 10
vs. StL -- vs. Cubs

Here, you should be seeing a stat line with Z's season stats. Something is wrong with the stat service providing this, and it shows some... well, see for yourself:


G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG
2008 - Carlos Zambrano 16 47 4 105 2 1 1 6 36 68 0 0 .362 .362 .511

Braden Looper's Cardinals stats are correct:


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Braden Looper 9-5 17 17 1 1 0 0 99.1 113 52 47 10 26 44 4.26 1.40

One thing you notice right away about Z's record is that he's cut down both on his walks and K's. Cutting down on K's doesn't necessarily sound good until you realize that Z had his best success -- in 2003 -- when he had his sinker working. Hopefully, that will be the case tonight. He has had some of his best games vs. the Cardinals -- 8-4, 2.37 in 18 career starts -- including this key game in the pennant race last September. Albert Pujols has hit only .234 vs. Z, but with 4 HR in 47 AB.

Braden Looper has been a competent starter for the Cardinals, something I'd have never expected given his long career as a reliever before that. He made four starts vs. the Cubs last year and went 2-1, 1.67. Most of the Cubs had a tough time with him -- maybe Jim Edmonds, who he has never faced, will make the difference.

Today's game is on WGN -- after yesterday, I make no more predictions based on TV channel! Also on FSN in the St. Louis area, on EI, and at the MLB.com Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)

MLB.com Gameday (2008 version)

Baseball-reference.com game preview

Today's first pitch thread will post at first pitch time, 7:15 pm CT. The overflow comment threads will post at 8:30 and 9:30 pm CT.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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Another interview with the enemy!

Thanks Al, I always enjoy these.

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Jul 4, 2008 4:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

BTW, your answers aren't up over there yet.

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Jul 4, 2008 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

... that’s up to Larry. I assume he’ll have them up later this afternoon.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 4, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No love you at the RedBirds site...still.

He’ll post your answers at 200am, when no one is looking. :-)

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 4, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great answers Al.

You did us proud!!

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 4, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Side Poll: Who to replace Soriano?

Al, perhaps it’s time for a new poll. How about something along the lines of … which starter would you most like to see the Cubs acquire? Just thinking out loud:

A. Sabathia
B. Burnett
C. Harden
D. Wolf
E. Maddux
F. Bedard
G. Rather have a shortstop
H. Rather have an OF
I. A different starter not listed here
J. No one, it’s all unicorns and rainbows!

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Jul 4, 2008 4:14 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Sabathia

I would answer A, and I think the majority of Cub fans would agree. Now, whether or not we have the ability to acquire him is another matter.

by inukjim on Jul 4, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds good. I'll post this one now!

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 4, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the dreamers...

Sabathia:

Burnett (I’m thinking he wouldn’t get #34):

Harden:

Wolf (he can’t have #25, he wore #43 in Philly (Wuertz), so I’m guessing he’d take what he wore with L.A.):

Maddux (this was a toughy):

Bedard (would Marshall give it up?):

As for me, I will remain disappointed:

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Jul 4, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like Spring Training Part 2

“I’ve got seven starters here for five spots, you know?” -Lou Piniella (3/1/2008)

"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse

by Goodie1969 on Jul 4, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we acually drafted Linccecum

he did not sign though

"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"

by fischisgod on Jul 4, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What the...?

Z has 105 hits in 47 at-bats? Wow, maybe he can win all three games of the series tonight!

"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse

by Goodie1969 on Jul 4, 2008 4:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL! At least!

"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse

by Goodie1969 on Jul 4, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stat Service

Do they think Z’s hitting is more important than his pitching?

I’m here in St. Louis, so hope to have some photos up later. Have already taken lots of crap from people here just walking around so am looking forward to a big victory tonight.

by 08Cubs on Jul 4, 2008 4:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope Z

has his emotions under control tonight. I also hope Edmonds has a fantastic game, that would be so great to see.

by sue369 on Jul 4, 2008 4:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I assume La Russa will welcome Edmonds home

by having him plunked in his bad hoof. La Russa is not above anything to get an edge.

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 4, 2008 5:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Class act all the way.

by chilango2 on Jul 4, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Time for the Cubs to step it up!

Lets take advantage of the Cardinals SP. I think they are very beatable and it will take the Cubs to be patient at every bat.

I predict Soto to go 2-3 with 2 RBIs today.

by Geo4MVP on Jul 4, 2008 5:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Z will be great tonight

I hope his sinker is working and he can get through 6 or 7 innings with the pitch count. He usually gets up for these games against the Crads and hasn’t lost to them in a very long time. Lets start this series with a victory.

by cubs on Jul 4, 2008 5:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

amen.

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 4, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best Defense?

Without question?

Any team featuring Troy “Fire Hydrant” Glaus at 3B and Aaron “No Arm” Miles at SS can’t really be considered great defensively. These guys will make the plays on balls hit right at them, but they’re not going to get to balls that most other infielders handle.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Jul 4, 2008 5:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it must suck for those Cardinals fans...

...having a shortstop with no arm for the position.

by cwyers on Jul 4, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, sure,

if you use unfunny nicknames instead of - oh I don’t know, maybe stats - to gauge a teams defensive strength, then they might be falling short.

RZR and Dewan’s plus minus have the Cards as a great defensive team, for what it’s worth.

Well who the hell can see forever?

by Alxfritz on Jul 4, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those two players........

...........have little range. I think the stats bear that out. Thus my comment.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Jul 4, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You think the stats bear that out?

Would it kill you to look?

Maybe if you’d look, you’d realize that Miles isn’t their starting shortstop, but a utility infielder. Glaus, on the other hand, is third among qualified third basemen in zone rating.

by cwyers on Jul 4, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well............

.............the zone rating must not see the game.

I’ve watched Glaus more than 30 games this year. He gets to nothing unless it’s hit directly at him. If that means he’s in the zone, so be it, but the guy has no range, or else all the other games I’ve missed he’s looked like Brooks.

Noted on Miles. I’m aware of his role. He still has no range. Theriot’s dribbler for a single in the 5th was testament to that.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Jul 4, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me really likes the look of Harden in that jersey...

Although I doubt we have what it takes to get him either….

I like Burnett too… And really like Bedard

"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"

by fischisgod on Jul 4, 2008 5:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The take-away from the interview

for me is that if we continue to be very patient we will stretch the Cards pen to the breaking point. Sure hope we bring our A game and that Z (ooh…alphabetical symmetry) doesn’t try to be a super hero.

We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez

by Emelie on Jul 4, 2008 5:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As a Cubs fan and an Indians fan too I hope against hope that C.C. Sabathia...

stays out of Milwaukee….I can’t stand the thought of a guy I cheered for joining them against my Cubbies…....find a way to stop that trade please…or at the least find a way to fire back at the Brewers if they do make the trade happen.

by razzpunk on Jul 4, 2008 5:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Haha, it's only for 3 months that Sabathia would be a Brewer ;)

Don’t worry, once he becomes a free agent, the Cubs will sign him, lol. I don’t know if that would happen, but you can count on Sabathia being just a three month rental pitcher for the Brewers. And besides, I can bet that even if Sabathia raises hell in the NL central for just three months, you can count on their pathetic bullpen being the major downfall.

by Geo4MVP on Jul 4, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No rest for the wicked

Same lineup as last night

R. Johnson lf
K. Fukudome rf
D. Lee 1b
A. Ramirez 3b
J. Edmonds cf
G. Soto c
M. DeRosa 2b
R. Theriot ss
C. Zambrano p

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jul 4, 2008 6:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fine with me.

Although, I would like Cedeno in there.

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by Unique on Jul 4, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I’d like to see our best D out there.

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jul 4, 2008 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's probably the lineup for some time to come, at least against RHP.

When Soriano gets back, he takes Johnson’s place. Expect Johnson’s numbers to start to tank again (they’d been climbing steadily since Edmonds got here and he didn’t have to face RHP).

by cwyers on Jul 4, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Assuming everyone's niggling injuries are in check, yes

I was under the assumption Lou was going to start resting Dome and Edmonds once Johnson came back.

Yes, I realize no one will ever see this comment.

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jul 5, 2008 4:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What comment?

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Jul 5, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

(I’m impressed)

''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella

by JohnM on Jul 6, 2008 6:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lead off man

is all commercials

by BradB311 on Jul 4, 2008 7:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's hope Z can get out of his recent funk

We need to get this three game set with the Red Birds off to a good start. Score early and often.

GO CUBS!!

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Jul 4, 2008 7:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

actually the cards bullpen deployment is atrocious.

I wouldn’t worry about scoring early.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jul 4, 2008 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Al..

No big deal, but according to the homepage schedule, it’s Cardinals @ St. Louis tonight….:)

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jul 4, 2008 7:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

haha..

He’s pumped and ready to go!

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jul 4, 2008 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looper

LIGHT EM UP!

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jul 4, 2008 7:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wHOO

dOME HR…cubs lead 1-0!

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jul 4, 2008 7:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

thx sue..

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Jul 4, 2008 7:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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