Pregame Thread: Cubs vs. Cardinals, Saturday 7/5, 2:55 CT
by Al Yellon on Jul 5, 2008 12:00 PM CDT
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PrintChicago Cubs at St. Louis Cardinals, Jul 5, 2008 2:55 PM CDT
The weather's going to be great in St. Louis. The even better news, for those of you who aren't scheduled to get this game on the Fox-TV channel in your area, is the weather forecast for New York City:'
This Afternoon: A chance of showers and thunderstorms. Some of the storms could produce heavy rain. Cloudy, with a high near 79. Calm wind. Chance of precipitation is 50%. New rainfall amounts of less than a tenth of an inch, except higher amounts possible in thunderstorms.
Why is this good? Because the Yankees/Red Sox game is Fox's only other game today. If that game is rain-delayed or rained out, Fox will have to send the Cubs and Cardinals to the entire country (except for NYC and Boston).
So do your rain dance for New York!
Lineup, courtesy of Bruce Miles:Theriot, SS Fukudome, RF Lee, 1B Ramirez, 3B Edmonds, CF Soto, C DeRosa, LF Fontenot, 2B Lilly, P
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Ted Lilly threw seven strong innings against the Cardinals on May 3 in St. Louis, and won, the only game the Cubs won in that series. A repeat performance today would be great. Kyle Lohse was the losing pitcher that afternoon, and the Cubs beat him up pretty good, including a three-run HR from Mike Fontenot (obviously, this is why Li'l Mikey is getting the start today). Otherwise, Mark DeRosa also hits Lohse well (6-for-13, a HR), and is in LF today.
As noted above, today's game is on Fox. At posting time there was no available link on the Fox Sports site showing how many markets were carrying this game, but since Fox's other game today is Yankees/Red Sox, I'm guessing it's not many outside the Midwest. For other games today see the MLB.com Mediacenter.
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Today's first pitch thread will post just before the actual first pitch, at 2:45 pm CT. The overflow comment threads will post at 4:00 pm and 5:00 pm CT.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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First !!
Go Cubs !!
"I don’t believe that things go your way," said Lou Piniella, the Cubs manager.
"I believe you make things go your way."
With Soriano supposedly taking BP today, things are starting to look really good.
Hopefully he goes down to AAA and gets the junk out of his system, comes up here and gets white hot the rest of the way.
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When is he supposed to b back??
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
The Tribune hinted that he might not be back in the big leagues till right after the All-Star break.
So his first major league at-bats will most likely be the All-Star game itself
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
Interesting
It’d be nice if he could face MLB pitching without having it count for anything. Unless you count the World Series.
Thanks Bud!
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
Usually I also hate Fontenot in the lineup, I'll give him a pass right now because of his SF heroics.
That being said my opinion can turn .
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
If Fontenot can do to Lohse what he did the last time he faced him...
... you’ll forgive his mediocre fielding.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Plus, it puts DeRo in LF -- not one of his better spots --
especially with a fly ball P on the mound.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
D'ya mean overall, or guys that are available?
I’d take Troy Tulowitczki in a heartbeat, but he’s not available.
As far as what's available...
...here’s a short list. The Jays also have McDonald and Scutaro – I’d ask about them as well, if it were me. No on Lugo and Vizquel (they really suck) and no on Alex Gonzales and Christian Guzman (not available).
I like seeing
Lou getting Dome acclimated to hitting second in preparation for Sori’s return. This is where those Riot singles will come in handy.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
So far, in July...
...Theriot is hitting .154/.267/.154. When am I going to start hearing people asking about a rest day for Theriot every at-bat, like they do for Lee and Fukudome?
LOL
it’s been 4 games, after he hit over 300 in each of April, May and June.
Here we go...
Let’s look at OPS cwyers, that’s a great idea, the guy’s PHYSICALLY limited.
You’d rather have John McDonald? If we look at any offensive category, when’s he hit well?
I understand he’s one of the best defensively, and that’s why he has a job, but give Theriot a break.
by serbianking33 on Jul 5, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
...what, is there a quota system now for guys who can't hit for power?
Yes, I’d rather have McDonald. Or Scutaro. Or Eckstein. Or Crosby. Or Greene. Or Wilson.
Yet
Theriot numbers including OPS is alot better then all of those guys right now. Umm hitting for average and getting OBP is good to you know.
Not to cwyers
you have to be able to ops at .850 before you’re any good, no matter how big you are.
by serbianking33 on Jul 5, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
So is defense...
...and season to date Theriot is the worst qualified shortstop defensively by RZR or ZR.
LOL
were talking about Theriot hitting, and now lets bring in the defensivly stats? It’s almost like ok well people are making a good case that Theriot is hitting good, what else can I say bad about him ? I’m sure RZR or ZR are bad, but I have seen many people call those stats flawed. I will admit I never have been a big reader on defensive stats, so I couldn’t tell you if they were or not.
we're talking about
Theriot PLAYING.
As in he’s a starting shortstop on arguably the best team in MLB, and a lot of us cannot figure out why.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 5, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
that's good
ask him to hit behind a runner, or bunt and see what happens
by serbianking33 on Jul 5, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow.
Now you’re just going overboard. I watched the whole Sox game yesterday, not only did Uribe make two huge mental gaffes in the field (which ok, maybe Theriot would’ve done the same) but he looked absolutely LOST at the plate. And if Theriot continues to hit .157 all of July, then we can talk. I don’t get it, but EVERY pre-game thread now has to have its own Theriot bashing session even when the previous post has nothing to do w/ him. A lot of this seems unwarranted to me.
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
He hasn't hit well for
power since April. But he’s still getting on base a ton, and I’m fine with that. Almost every hitter in our line-up can hit the ball out of the park besides Theriot. I’m fine with having a singles hitter who gets on base a good amount in our line-up. You putting down Theriot is getting about annoying as someone else comments about Soriano and Rich Harden IMO. Just let it go we know you don’t think he’s a very good player. That doesn’t change the fact he’s having a good year, even though you keep mentioning everything he’s not doing well.
Yeah, well, everything he's not doing well...
...is hitting the ball, fielding the ball or running the bases. All that’s left is pitching, and I bet hes not very good at that, either.
You mean
hitting the well for power right? He’s hitting the ball you can’t say he’s not hitting. Plus Theriot has ran the bases MUCH better in the last month, his high CS rate is from April and early May when Lou tried to make him a 40-50 SB type hitter. Your bashing of Theriot getting really really silly, I never once seen someone call a guy a bad hitter when he his hitting over 306 with a 386 OBP, thats just insane. Umm yeah thats hitting, like it or not. Hitting for power isn’t just hitting you know that right?
how are you judging how he runs the bases?
if its sb success rate, then that’s not a very good way to judge the way he “runs the bases”
i hope you’re using something different.
by serbianking33 on Jul 5, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Cwyers
is a very smart poster, and one of the better posters on this board IMO. But the one thing I really disagree with is his nonstop ways of putting Theriot down. It’s almost like MIBNIU has hijacked his screen name and is bringing up Theriot always and putting him down but in a much smarter way. We all know you don’t like the guy, but you don’t have to keep talking about how bad you think he is, especially when he’s not as bad as he’s trying to make him sound.
I don't think he's bashing or being over the top...
...he just wants someone better in that role. I don’t necessarily agree or disagree with him, but it’s a free board…
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Maybe
it’s because I don’t read this board everyday. But it seems like at least a few times a week I see him making some type of negative comments towards Theriot. I know it’s a free board, but saying negative things about a player over and over again gets a little old. Especially when it’s pretty much the same type of comments, and nothing has changed in the last month or so. Plus I think Cwyers is a smart poster who knows his stuff, so it kinda bothers me that he acts MDBNIU with this Theriot stuff.
He is a smart poster
read his blog, it will make someone’s head spin.
but we cannot find a better starter. i dont disagree with finding a defensive minded shortstop to back him up when we deal cedeno for other pieces, i think that’s a great idea bc theriot doesnt field all that well.
by serbianking33 on Jul 5, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
getting a defensive specialist for the bench at SS is a good idea. In a big game or playoff game removing Theriot late in the game for defense isn’t a bad idea. But getting most of the playing time and Theriot hitting the way he has this season he’s a fine at SS. Adding a SS is towards the buttom of things this team needs IMO.
I just wonder....
...if management is really even thinking about replacing Theriot in the late innings. I mean, Cedeno would be doing it NOW if they thought that way, wouldn’t he?
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on Jul 5, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't read his comments then...easy enough
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
LOL
well like I said I like reading most of his stuff, I will just have to close my eyes the next time I see him bring up Theriot. I don’t mean to pick on the guy, and like I said I love most of his post. It’s just really getting on my nerves, to continue to read negative comments about Theriot over and over again. Like for example bringing up Theriot July stats after 13 AB’s is just picking on the guy IMO.
I'm for resting Theriot
five days a week.
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by Josh Timmers on Jul 5, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
word
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 5, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
So far, in July...
there’s been 4 games played.
by serbianking33 on Jul 5, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay then.
Theriot, May 1st through today: .299/.382/.327
Theriot, past two seasons: .289/.358/.377
Theriot, career: .286/.356/.373
There is a lot more evidence that Theriot is bad at hitting baseballs then there is evidence that he’s good at hitting baseballs.
So you want
a shortstop that’s about 6’2’’ 210, used to pitch in highschool that throws 96 mph from the infield, a 25-30 home run power guy with great bat speed and a .900 OPS. Oh, and he doesn’t ever boot a ball…EVER.
Well, who wouldn’t like that? But, with the team that we have, and with the limited ability to aquire pieces, we should be OK with Theriot at short. I’ve read what you guys have been saying for the past two weeks about how “he sucks.” But honestly, let’s look towards other parts of our club.
You keep mentioning Theriot’s physical limitations and then complaining that his SLG will never reach .400
by serbianking33 on Jul 5, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Well cwyers when you make your
dream team and have john mcdonald hitting .163 with an OPS+ of 16, let me know how you’re doing…
by serbianking33 on Jul 5, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Lets just
no longer look at batting average or OBP and just focus on OPS from now on? Of course OPS is important, but when is hitting 300 and getting OBP at a 380 rate a bad hitter? This is just insane, and not worth my time talking about anymore.
OPS includes OBP.
It is more complete than OBP when looking at a ballplayer. OPS+ or linear weights are more complete still.
I understand that
but the only thing that makes Theriot a subpar hitter is the lack of power, the batting average and OPS are very strong. For a SS I’m fine with two of three of them.
Ya know...
...my feeling is Theriot is gonna stay the SS for a few reasons:
-We are winning
-He’s scrappy, and no matter how you quantify it, scrappiness is encouraged by fans and coaches alike
—His OBP is still decent
And finally, what’s our other option? Cedeno?
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
I would say
386 is a little better then decent, and thats with him doing bad the last few days. He’s most likely to bring his numbers up again like he did in the last three months. On teams filled with power hitters, most teams like to have a good average hitting good OBP guy who has some speed on the roster. This is the kind of player White Sox fans call in to talk radio shows and say their line-up needs.
You're right
his obp is pretty good, but i think we’ll see him start to slip in the 8 spot. In the 2 spot, he will see fastballs, and that’s attributed to his high batting average, but he’s been VERY patient.
the one thing about white sox fans is that they live for scrappy, when that’s not always the best route. I see where cwyers is coming from, but we have no other choice. Our middle infielders are bad defensively, (i’ll keep cedeno out of that) but we have to do what we can with what we have. constantly bashing theriot and bringing up khalil greene and other shortstops (Who arent going to come here) is not the greatest fight to pick. especially when we need a starter and a few relievers.
by serbianking33 on Jul 5, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Im fine
with Theriot at SS. Sure I wish he played better defense and hit for more power. But I also understand that you aren’t going to have a hitter who plays great defense or hits for really good power at every postion. If Theriot can be a asset to the team by hitting for average and getting OBP alot I’m happy especially if he’s hitting 8th.
Here's the link
for Fox’s coverage.
http://awfulannouncing.blogspot.com/2008/07/your-mlb-announcing-schedule-for.html
Thank God the game is on the Wisconsin Fox stations.
Let’s do it today!
"Don't give me any of that ole' bulls#!t." - Lou Brown
I HATE THE SOX AND THE YANKS!
No Cubbies here in Minneapolis, damn it!
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
He's talking TV Coverage....
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on Jul 5, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
"If that game is rain-delayed or rained out, Fox will have to send the Cubs and Cardinals to the entire country (except for NYC and Boston)."
Why “except for NYC and Boston”? Assuming a rain-out, why wouldn’t those markets see the Cubs/Cards game as well?
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised at anything having to do with MLB, Fox, and blackout/coverage restrictions, but it just seems unusually asinine that the NYC and Boston folks would see alternate Fox programming (3 hours of Prison Break?) instead of another game.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Love the quote
you can’t have enough from “Major League.”
"Don't give me any of that ole' bulls#!t." - Lou Brown
They would get the Cubs/Cards...
.... during a rain delay.
But after a rain delay, the home markets would go back to the Sox/Yanks game. The rest of the country - to keep the commercial rotation in sync, if for no other reason - would probably stay with the Cubs/Cardinals, depending on how long the delay is.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Just Called DirecTV
and asked “Why is my receiver not allowing me to get Fox Sports Espanol when I bought both the Sports Pack AND Extra Innings?”. The poor rep had to explain that FSE is being blacked out by MLB today.
BURN IN HELL, BUD SELIG!!!!!
Eat More Katsui
That's probably wrong.
I think you have to have the Spanish language package to get Fox Sports en Español. I don’t think it’s part of the sports package.
The game is supposed to be shown this afternoon, acccording to their website. Do you currently receive that channel?
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 5, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Verdad
Pero en Seattle no tango. Qué Lastima
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
William Wrigley Jr
by bubbamike the one and only on Jul 5, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Lohse has only had two season over .500...and I don't know what the hell he's doing this year that's so special...
...let’s get to him early.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
keeping the ball in the park...
...and not walking people. much easier to pitch around hits then walks and hits.
by serbianking33 on Jul 5, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
The magic of Dave Duncan at work again
He’s turned so many nags into thoroughbreds that it’s not funny. Lohse appears to be his latest prize pupil. Seriously if you are a sucky major league pitcher with a quality arm wouldn’t you beg, borrow and plead to get traded to St. Louis and let Duncan be your pitching coach.
Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.
Duncan is something to be marveled at, I don't know how he does it...
...year in and year out, he gets career-years from his starters…
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
We've got a guy in Mesa who is "over the" Hill
what can we get in return?
We know Rothschild can do $*it with him. Which has been my point for 3 years when it comes to our worthless pitching coach. :-(
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
I'm getting Boston-NYY on Fox
Can I see this on MLB.tv?
"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk
No way. MLB blackout rules are a bunch of BS anyway, add in Fox and you have no shot at seeing the game.
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This shit is getting so fucking old.
I’ve never bought a product that I’ve haven’t been able to use (on certain days) until the MLB came into play. MLB is so damn stupid.
"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk
Yeah, im not a big soccer fan but I have a friend who bought the MLS equivilant to MLb.tv.
They had such a broad definition of “National Games” that I think he would of been able to see 15% of the games or something like that.
Just to show that MLB is stupid and unfair, but that one other league is equally dumb.
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
An umbrella?
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
I stand corrected
"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk
Dammit.
Please let it rain!!!! (In New York that is)
My new life, my new world, and my beautiful daughter:
Tamia London Davis: Due date (8-11-08)!
My spy in STL just told me that Soriano is in the cage taking BP as we speak
Good news!
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
Ryan Theriot
Theriot owns the highest batting average on the team and is second among the regulars in OBP. Yet some in the peanut gallery want to howl and scream that he should be benched in favor of Ronny Cedeno and his three brain cells. Lovely stuff.
Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.
if you think theriot runs the bases bad...
watch ronny!
by serbianking33 on Jul 5, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I
would prefer it. Ronny Cedeno has made great strides. He still makes mistakes, but I think he’s got much greater potential.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 5, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
He's a headcase
that’s very streaky. he’s good defensively.
great strides? we’ll he cant screw up on the bases when he’s not on base. .211/.268/.237 in the past month.
by serbianking33 on Jul 5, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
he barely
gets to play.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 5, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Amen
Ronny Cedeno generally sucks. He had a nice 6 week stretch during part-time duty that resulted in members of the peanut gallery going nutty and proclimating that the Cubs had Hanley Ramirez .v2 right under their nose. It’s comical really.
Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.
what he had
was a chance to actually play for a sustained amount of time, and showed that he could produce.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 5, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Theriot is batting. Therefore. he's the regular SS.
Defensively and running the bases, he’s not making any mistakes that Ronny wouldn’t make. So there’s no downside to playing Theriot.
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 5, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
How about Mr (or Mrs) Outside Hire?
Realistically we aren’t gonna make a change at SS anytime soon, unless Theriot really struggles for a prolonged period. I think he is just scrappy enough where we can reevaluate SS after the season is over.
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Lou likes Theriot, and that is good enough for me
Theriot is an overachiever that brings a spark to this team. He is well liked and plays his tail off. If Sweet Lou is fine with him as everyday shortstop then it is good enough for me. Because my eyes support Lou’s faith. Besides, last time I checked I’m pretty sure the Cubs didn’t have Derek Jeter or Jimmy Rollins lying around in waste.
Pitching is KING. We don't add a frontline starting pitcher and a quality bullpen arm then this season will have yet another sad conclusion.
Lou likes Soriano.
Lou likes Woody.
Interesting.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 5, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
You can have Jeter
the Yankees best shortstop is playing third and I’d take him in a heartbeat.
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
William Wrigley Jr
by bubbamike the one and only on Jul 5, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
No doubt
It’s more fair to compare Theriot to what our current other options are, rather than what the rest of the NL shortstops are doing. Unless we are planning to trade for a shortstop, we have what we have. Name one team that has the best defense in their league at every position.
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
Right. And there are other priorities to trade for.
I’m happy with one of the batting leaders in the league playing SS for us.
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 5, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
what do you care about
stats?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
Random posting plea...
if you use links in your post, can you please try to remember to check the box that says “Open in New Window?” I know it’s an extra step and I wish this were the default so you wouldn’t have to worry about it.
My reasoning: If the link opens up in the same window, when you return back to BCB, you lose your place w.r.t. to all the new (unread) comments). Either they all become read, so you have to scroll through the entire thread to try and find what you’ve missed, or it reverts back to an earlier iteration, so you have to refresh, at which point everything becomes read and you still have to go back through the entire thread.
At least that’s been my experience – is that true for others?
I know I can (and should) right-click on the link and thus control its destiny, but I don’t always remember to do that.
Also, are there reasons why opening in the same window is a good thing?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
thanks for the tip
I hadn’t noticed a check box and will try to remember it next time I link. I agree, navigating back to BCB and then trying to relocate posting position is a pain in the butt.
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
+1
this has been bugging me as well, to the point where i just hover my mouse and see if it says ”...in a new window” at the end just to be sure.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
+2
Just to be sure, I’ll always right click and click Open in New Tab.
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
I always middle click and go to a new tab
anyway. Thats why sometimes I forget to hit the new window box, b/c I forget that nont everyone does that.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 5, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably the only "good" reason
for having a new link NOT open a new window is because some people have “pop-ups disabled” in their browsers. However, such people (I have been one in the past) get pretty used to right-clicking, which is the work-around.
Anyway, I agree that it would be handy to have “new window” be the default setting, for the same reasons you cite.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
I have asked for this myself.
ALL the links I put in posts and comments are “open in new window”. There are some at SBN who don’t like this and that’s why it’s not given at an option. I’m going to keep pushing for this.
In the meantime you can always right-click on a link and either open in a new tab (if you have a tabbed browser) or in a new window using the context menu.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Al, did you notice the last two days..
on the homepage it says Cardinals at St. Louis?
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
I hadn't noticed that.
I’ll send that to the bugreport address.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I just looked at this again.
It says “vs. Cardinals at St. Louis”. That’s correct. Where are you seeing the mistake?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
My bad...perhaps I didn't read the first line...
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
Well, it's inconvenient sometimes when you have a lot of other programs going on.
I think they should have the option already clicked, instead of the annoyance of having to click the option every time you post a link.
"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk
I think the only reason to NOT open in a new window would be game threads, and jumping from one to another
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
When pointing to
a new overflow then I prefer to open in the same window. Otherwise a different window is good.
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
William Wrigley Jr
by bubbamike the one and only on Jul 5, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I want RAIN ( but no thunderstorms)
I would LOVE to watch the game here in NYC. It is gloomy outside and already
rained for an hour around noon. Thunderstorms are bad though as they may well
knock out my dish so I can’t see it ( I could go to the local Red Sox bar as they will
have to show it) so C’mon rain.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
I am curious, why do you write your posts in columns like that?
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
My theory?
Was typing for a long time before PCs and got used to having to hit a “return” key after 10 words or so, or else risk running into the margin. Muscle memory isn’t just for Rich Hill.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
That's it
I am ancient and never really got used to this. It was worse from my home computer which
is now dead. Will try to work on it but old habits die hard
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 5, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh no worries Jessica, there's no wrong way or right way. I just figured you always wanted to be a columnist. : )
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
I met you and you are not ancient
And I’m not ancient (I keep telling myself) for figuring out what puzzled young northsider….
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
How old are you?
"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk
Up until last year, there was still an MLB player or two my age. Not this year, I don’t think. So by MLB player standards, I guess that does make me ancient!
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
Doesn't seem that old
I’m guessing you’re 10-15 years younger than my dad.
"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk
Is that you, Julio Franco?
Just kidding! :-)
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 5, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
A woman never admits her age
but for a few years I would admit to being older than Greg Maddux
but younger than BOTH Francos ( Julio & John not the SNL “Franco”)
Alas I have now lost both Francos.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 5, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
you forgot Generalissimo Franco
and you are most certainly younger than him.
Last report: Still dead.
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
I applied the same standard to myself...
I always took heart in the fact the Julio Franco was still swinging the bat in the big leagues, but with his retirement, alas – I am older than all the active major leaguers…
Another game I played when asked how old I am is to respond with a player’s name who wore the jersey of my age, usually a Cleveland Brown. Seemed like fun when the answer was Greg Pruitt; not so much fun when it was Mike Pruitt… ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I just doubled checked
and Jamie Moyer is two months younger than me.
:-(
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
She isn't old
but she deals with old movies all the time. She is Kino to set the Criterion of film entertainment.
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
William Wrigley Jr
by bubbamike the one and only on Jul 5, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
But Al said that even then
the Cubs/Cards will be blacked out in NY and BOS. I don’t get why, but he’s the TV dude.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
Here's the explanation again.
The home markets of the teams (NYC and Boston) get the game no matter what. So say there’s a rain delay there. In that case the entire country gets Cubs/Cardinals. But once the rain delay ends the home markets go back to the game involving their teams. The rest of the country probably would stick with Cubs/Cardinals at that point.
A total rainout in NYC would solve this problem today.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
The World Ain't Flat Anymore
This whole notion of “territorial rights” went out with the geocentric theory of the universe. With the interconnectivity of society as brought on by high-speed communication and transportation, regional boundaries and “team markets” are nothing but fallacies.
ALL teams can claim ANY territory to be their sphere of interest, and as such blackout rules should be summarily banished to the scrap heap.
Eat More Katsui
EXTREMELY loud, sustained applause.
The territorial rights thing dates back to the 1970’s, long before satellite and cable TV became universal, and even before Al Gore invented the Internets (JOKE!).
It needs to go. Yesterday.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Tell that to people like Peter Angelos ....
.... who will fight to the Supreme Court their right to product territorial right. Case in point, the only reason the Nationals are playing in the nation’s capitol these days is because Bud the Dud Selig and the other owners sent a crapload of money Angelos’ way to keep him from taking them to court.
Diehard: All right, Hendry, let's see how you improve the ballclub mid-season.
Hendry: What coordinates, sir?
Diehard: [annoyed] Coordinates?
Hendry: Yes, sir, they determine where the the ballclub is...
Diehard: Soldier, the Cubs have spent a lot of money teaching you to fire off a trade. Now set and fire.
Angelos Would Be Better Served
to improve the on-field product instead of spouting legalese jibberish and making idle threats. Get with the times, Pete, and broaden your team’s appeal by, oh I don’t know, BUTTING OUT AND LETTING BASEBALL PEOPLE RUN THE ORIOLES!
Eat More Katsui
Word.
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
Ah! The old philosophical conundrum.
The way things should be and the way they currently are.
Unfortunately, blackouts seem to make sense only to the stations that want to keep your eyes glued to their signal. As long as they are willing to pay for that exclusivity there will always be a Bud Selig willing to grant it to them and pocket the extra fee. The viewers? They’ll have their eye sockets glued to the TV set, they seem to think. Pathetic.
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 5, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm checking out Accuweather
they’re saying it’s a 53% chance of rain in New York for the next three hours. I’m not sure if it’d be enough though—only 5 inches of it.
"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk
0.05 " is what I meant
"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk
They're pulling up the tarp
in NYC. That sucks. I hate the Yanks, the Red Sox, MLB and most of all I hate Fox.
Scum of the earth!
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
William Wrigley Jr
by bubbamike the one and only on Jul 5, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
To be fair
To be fair it was the same thing when NBC had the package in the 80s.
Go Cubs
by puckishcubsfan on Jul 5, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Irrelevant.
The contract terms are far different, and the media landscape is far different.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Weather in NYC
I’m about 2 miles from Yankee Stadium. It’s cloudy but not raining at the moment. I’ll update if that changes.
Theriot or an alternative
How much of a batting average downgrade are people willing to accept to upgrade defensively at SS?
There’s people who don’t put value on the act of getting on first base so batting around 300 with a 390 OBA sucks to them but you need people on base. Lee had 106 RBIS in 2005 because nobody was on base ahead of him,.
Go Cubs
Right.
Theriot was on base for Soriano to drive him in. That gave us a few victories.
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 5, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually
He was on base early this season for Lee, Ramirez and Fukudome to drive him in,
Go Cubs
by puckishcubsfan on Jul 5, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
TV
I don’t know why FOX doesn’t use FX on days like this. One game on Fox the second game on FX.
Go Cubs
That would make too much sense.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Because Fox paid to grant their affiliates exclusivity...
Regardless of whether the viewers are screwed or not. Pathetic.
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 5, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Good point
When you have Bud Selig and Fox as the major players in something it’s a wonder they can manage to get games on TV period.
Go Cubs
Listening to Ron's pregame with Lou
They just called Fontenot “little babe ruth”.
said that Soriano only bats lead off once, once the lineup turns over, its nice to have that “pop” there.
Said they need a good game out of Lilly and that they are pleased w/ how Howry is starting to preform.
Talked about how good the pen will be once Marmol gets it back.
Nothing earthshattering, just passing it along.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 5, 2008 2:37 PM CDT reply actions
I call Fontenot "Little Todd Walker"
but that’s just me.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
they laughed so hard i had to include it
ron cracked himself up with it.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 5, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Lou also finally admitted
that he’d rather have Sori get an extra AB than Riot.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
well who wouldn't?
really? “theriot’s a fine player, but you need thump” or something very similar from Lou.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 5, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
This is all a conspiracy
Fox, Selig and Todd Stroger/Rod Blagoevich/Rich Daley are in a conspiracy to give us one reason to be happy to live in Chicago or Cook County while they tax us to pieces.
For those that don’t live here Cook Countians now pay the highest sales tax in the US. On top of that we have property taxes at one of the highest rates and we pay state income tax. Also gas, cigarettes and liquor tax rates are top tier.
There’s a reason why everyone who lives anywhere near the Cook county border drives a few miles to save tons of money.
Go Cubs
I look for Edmonds to
have a better game today. Need a great game from Lilly too. Maybe Aramis will hav the hot hand today.
I guess the high socks last night
didn’t jinx the slump for him.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
i'm hoping rami
busts out tonight.
i dont think edmonds is going to light the world on fire this series, they know him too well.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 5, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Am I remembering right?
I posted above that it was the same under CBS and NBC control on Saturday. Am I completely correct totally wrong or somewhere in between.
Go Cubs
Hmmm.....
I received good news and bad news…
Bad news: Our Fox station is showing Sox-Yanks (and we’re an NL city!)
Good news: Our Fox Spanish station is showing Cubs-Cards
Good news: Yo hablo espanol.
Bad news: I don’t get the Fox Spanish station in my building.
Looks like Gameday Audio for me… (at least they don’t black that out)
I’ll need some descriptions from those of you who can see the game.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
Thats one thing thats handy about the game threads
but remember those of us on gameday audio end up a few minutes behind. So if you dont want to kow the future… :-p
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Jul 5, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
For your pleasure and convenience...
the first pitch thread is now up. (does NOT open in new window!)
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
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