Pregame Thread: Cubs vs. Reds, Tuesday 7/8, 7:05 CT
by Al Yellon on Jul 8, 2008 4:00 PM CDT
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For those of you who are worried about the CC Sabathia effect on the Brewers (and he will start tonight at Miller Park vs. the Rockies, leading to much scoreboard-watching, I'm sure), note that Sabathia replaced not Seth McClung or Dave Bush in the Brewers' rotation, but Jeff Suppan, who was placed on the 15-day DL yesterday with an elbow problem. This makes the marginal impact Sabathia will have on the Brewers' rotation smaller. At least, that's how I see it.
At Baseball Prospectus ($), Joe Sheehan agrees with many here who said that the marginal value of adding Sabathia and subtracting someone else is about 2-3 wins.
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Just a year ago, Aaron Harang was one of the top pitchers in baseball, finishing 4th in NL Cy Young voting. Today, he has a terrible 3-10 record and an ERA nearly a run higher than last year's. There's no real obvious reason for this; his WHIP is up (mostly on hits, he still doesn't walk many) and he is on a pace to allow 35 HR, way up from last year's 28. That's good news for the Cubs, who love to hit HR off him (D-Lee, 5 HR in 41 AB; A-Ram, 3 in 35 AB; and Jedmonds, 3 in 32). The Cubs have beaten him twice already this year; Lee and Mark DeRosa homered off him on April 15 at Wrigley Field.
Ryan Dempster righted the ship in his last start at San Francisco; now it's up to the newly-minted All-Star to keep that going. He was the winning pitcher in that April 15 game but lost to the Reds in Cincinnati on May 5 when some shoddy defense led to five unearned runs.
Today's game is on cable in Cincinnati and Chicago and on EI and at the MLB.com Mediacenter.
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Baseball-reference.com game preview
Today's first pitch thread will post at 7:00 pm CT and the overflow comment threads will post at 8:15 pm and 9:15 pm CT.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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TWSS
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
It's 4 pm...a tad early?
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
third…not bad
Whether you think you can or whether you think you can't, you're right.
Henry Ford
by BLW Believes Esq. on Jul 8, 2008 4:02 PM CDT reply actions
Can someone please tell me
what the CC in Sabathia’s name stands for?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
Thank you.
That’s not such a bad name. I’ve heard worse.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by tucsoncubsfan on Jul 8, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, and as I learned from listening to the Brewers press conference yesterday...
...there are no periods in “CC.”
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Creedence Clearwater
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
With CC up there, there's now a Bad Moon Rising
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
more like Bad Jupiter.
P.S. Just kidding CC, please sign here in the off-season.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
If that's true, then "Who'll stop the rain?"
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
Rich Harden, on his way, just Up Around the Bend
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
Candy Coated?
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
No word on if the Zambrano-to-start-All-Star-game is true or not yet??
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Al...
Thanks for being the calming influence about this whole CC trade. CC who?!
"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."
Rider.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
GAME THREAD!
Soon the lights at Wrigley burn
And Dempster from the mound all stern
Will HURL the ball past Cincy bats
As Cubs defenders wear blue hats
DeRosa, Lee will strike the ball
with bats and then will run their all
to score upon Harang all mopey
(Genetics is why he looks all dopey)
And soon from flag post ‘W’ should fly
Whilst Cincy fans sob “Why, Cubs, why?”
Then 10 and 3 will Dempster stand
A victory held in his throwing hand!
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
Then to the scoreboard our eyes will go...
To see CC getting pounded by Colorad-O!!!
"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 8, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
oooh, very good.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
In the second verse
Try to work in some Dusty and Corey.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
I'll right one for the next series. :D
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
dangit
that’s what I get for posting too soon after work.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Cubs need the All Star break
Marmol pitched better the other day. We need him very badly. Man a sweep in St. Louis would have been awesome. That loss really sucked big. Zambrano should take the four days off and get ready for the second half. Soriano, Z, Lee and Koskue could really use the break.
Andrew Cashner's bonus was $1.53 million
He’s expected to throw at Wrigley on Wednesday or Thursday.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jul 8, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
So somebody check my math here…...the brewers lost last night and lost a half game. If the cubs win tonight, that makes it a full game, brewers would be 4.5 back. Now what if the brewers should lose tonight? Do they lose another half game or a full game?
Cubs win Brewers lose its 5.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
If the Brewers win tonight
the championship trophy will be delevered to Milwaukee after the victory parade on Thursday.
:D
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
You would think so!
Sheesh… of course, this didn’t start with CC. I was stuck watching the Brewers TV announcers during the opening series, and their play-by-play guy kept referring to it as game 2 of the “championship season”. Presumptuous, maybe?
by Great Odin's Raven on Jul 8, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I was told there would be no math.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
While we're waiting for the ballgame,
here’s a link to the Cubs All-Stars in video form, in case you’ve been too distracted from CC/Maddux/Harden FanPosts to see the FanShots. If you’ve already seen it, carry on.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
cool thanks…......allright I’m off to bed…it’s 1230am in the morning here in Kuwait. Hopefully when I wake up it’s to a cubs win…....
Play Ball
the marginal value of adding Sabathia and subtracting someone else is about 2-3 wins.
We won the division last year by 2 games…. Just saying.
As far as tonights game goes, the way DeRosa is swinging the bat, look for a couple dingers against Harang from him tonight!
I’m ready! Your ready, and I know
THIS GUYS READY!
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
And how bad did we start off the season last year?
How many games back were we down?
Just sayin’ :)
we're not going to win the division
by only 2 games this year. The margin will be much greater than that. Those two wins MIGHT get Milwaukee past St. Louis for second, and therefore maybe the WC.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
TOO EARLY for Milton!!!!
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
This the point.....
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
er Thus
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
He just discards Sabathia's April stats!
Just… calls them “abberant” and dismisses them entirely! I wish I still had a BP subscription so I could cancel it.
LOL
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
For the lazy:
Sabathia has allowed 54 runs in 122 1/3 innings (3.94 RA), averaging a bit more than 6 2/3 IP per start. That includes Sabathia’s clearly aberrational April; if you consider his true level to be what he’s done in his last 14 starts, it’s a 2.33 RA in 7 1/3 IP per. Regress that, split the difference—let’s not pretend we can predict player performance to two decimal places over half a season—and you can expect that Sabathia is about a 3.00 ERA pitcher giving you seven innings a start.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
Dare I say...
TWSS?
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
I think you will get your wish...
On both Demp pitching well, and scoring early & often.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Thought you were dead dude? :)
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
Ok so after much digging and searching I think I found the answer to the Big Z ASG thing.
About 6 pages into the news items listed from the source that Yahoo cited there is a small blip that says Big Z was named to the team. Right underneath it is another item that says Fukudome was elected to the team.
It appears to me that whoever is in charge of typing up those reports for Yahoo just accidentally combined the two lines into one.
That being said I guess I reacted too soon when I made a fanpost about the subject since there was only one source. Just thought I would give an update.
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
Line up:
ss “I don’t have much range, but I’m scrappy” Theriot
rf “welcome to the Fukudome”
1b Mr. Lee, Mr. Lee
3b “Clutch” Ramirez
c “Han” Soto
cf Jimmy ” mr. ed”
lf Mark “Mr. Pink” DeRosa
2b “the rajun cajun” Fontenot
sp Dyan Rempster
Jimmyeatworld
How the hell does Murton not start today?
Isn’t he really good against Harang in his career?
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
I am by no means a Murton fan, that being said when a guy has really good numbers against a certain pitcher, he should play
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
maybe he'll come off the bench.
Sigh. I hope we trade him soon, so he can actually become a full-time player.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
cuz
he is on Oakland’s team now
"Sometimes an intelligent man is forced to be drunk in order to spend time with fools." -Hemmingway
Lou's discretion of course...
I’m guessing that he wants DeRo’s bat for power. Not sure why Fonty is starting. Wish DeRo was at 2nd, and Murton in LF. Lou gets paid millions though, I’m sure he knows something we don’t.
Jimmyeatworld
trade rumors, apparently.
“Who may or may not be in a trade”.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
well, on Channel 9 is Keenan Wayans.
What’s on the radio?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Are they announcing your cell phone number?
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
Someone tell us what happened
for those of us not in Chitown. :(
These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"
Cubs acquire Harden and Chad Gaudin.
for Gallagher, Patterson, Murton & Donaldson.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
We might have just made a trade!
That’s why Murton not in lineup
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
Score reporting something is up... but can't gat the word
Lou didn’t show up for his normal pre-game media time
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
The Score just reported a trade for
a player believed to be Rich Harden is going down right now.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Blue Mike
is trembling somewhere now…
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
The trade is
said to be “major leaguers for major leaguers,” but a minor league player may also be involved.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Once again, The Score says the player is assumed to be Rich Harden
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
This is why beat writers need to blog in real time
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
WGN says
they’ve just traded a reporter to the Hartford Courant Journal. :P
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
Just heard that on the delay (streaming here)
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
Im as nervous as a pitcher facing Lee or Ramirez when they're on fire
My nerves are jumping.
Go Cubs
for WHO?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
And someone's getting his left nut
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
yeah, who's
gonna take delivery of THAT?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Jesse Rogers reported it from the park.
Apparently Lou never showed up to his pre-game press conference, so the writers began sniffing around and word got out a trade was going. Might be bullshit. Who knows at this point.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
He was 40 minutes late when the guys started looking around.
That would be one helluva crap.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
WGN
Apparently there’s been hints of something going on all day. My mom tells me Kap reported something may be imminent earlier this afternoon.
Go Cubs
Thanks Em!
Wasn’t aware of that.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
sources say
Harden has been traded to the Cubs. No one knows for whom yet.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
SEAN GALLAGHER???
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Gallagher
you have to give up some of tomorrow for today.
Go Cubs
by puckishcubsfan on Jul 8, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
no
you don’t HAVE to.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
You
USUALLY have to. Ya think the Brewers wanted to give up LaPorta? That guy was a monster.
by Great Odin's Raven on Jul 8, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
The Brewers
don’t have the best record in the national league. They aren’t in first place. THEY AREN’T THAT GOOD.
Argh.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm just saying...
they went for it. Sometimes you have to take chances to make your team better. Hendry’s taking a chance.
by Great Odin's Raven on Jul 8, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Even if Harden stays healthy
and it’s not likely he will, he’s still only good for two years, then he’s off on FA.
Gallagher could have been a cub for five years or more.
This is a terrible deal.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Nothing is certain yet...
with the trade or the trade pieces, however, if we win the WS, i will refuse to call this a terrible trade.
IF we win the World Series
on the back of Rich Harden, I’ll print out this thread and eat it.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Who cares
about two years from now???? The cubs (thank you Jim Hendry) have finally pulled the trigger on the premier player available, and got him, and another excellent arm prior to the trade deadline. You’re right, this is a terrible deal… for the Brewers and the Cardinals.
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue." - George F. Will
But
the time to win is NOW! We must react! Pitching is KING! etc etc etc…
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
Kap
Kap is reporting Sean Gallagher is part of it.
Go Cubs
by puckishcubsfan on Jul 8, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad BAD!
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey
go big or go home folks… you have to give players to get players. Maybe it works out, maybe it doesn’t. But they’re going for it, I like it.
by Great Odin's Raven on Jul 8, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Gallagher
I like this kid Harden gives us 4 solid starters. Z, Lilly, Dempster and Harden.
Go Cubs
by puckishcubsfan on Jul 8, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Murton also
apparently.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
OK, I'm stuck at work.
Are you guys serious? or just screwing around?
by Great Odin's Raven on Jul 8, 2008 5:24 PM CDT reply actions
It's being reported as real.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Very serious.
its all but official
Go Cubs
by puckishcubsfan on Jul 8, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
No kidding. Trade made for Harden.
Murton & Gallagher part of the deal…
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Keep the updates coming, guys, I'm not in Chicago and don't have the radio...
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
You mean WGN Radio, right?
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Stay with the Score.
Rogers is on top of something for once. Gallagher just confirmed as part of the deal
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
They should.
Checking ESPN now.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
TWSS
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
Let him think what he wants.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
MBDNIU did post this earlier, despite being a baseball genius he didn't get it 100% right
Beane won’t move Harden until very near the July 31st deadline He knows full well that he can induce a feeding frenzy for Harden. Cubs, Cardinals, Phillies, Yankees and even the Rays may all enter the waters. Beane has time and patience on his side.
Get Rich Harden, Tim Hudson or AJ Burnett RIGHT NOW !!! No more living in denial and rationalizing away the holes on this pitching staff. No more Luvable Loser syndrome getting in the way of gunning for a World Series.
by MDBNIU on Jul 8, 2008 12:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lets do it Cubbies
too bad he also stepped off
the cliff.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, I'm pretty sure.
Seven players for a pitcher destined for the DL before the end of the year. Wonderful. BlueMike’s cup runneth over.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
one less 2nd baseman on the 40 man roster...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Per WGN Radio...
Rich Harden for Sean Gallagher and possibly Matt Murton, and more.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
Score just confirmed Gallagher part of deal
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
Wow....
...I’ll miss Gallagher, but that’s a phenomenal deal, assuming it’s Gallagher, Murton, and the pu pu platter of unproven A talent.
Hendry live now on CSN and The Score
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
I feel like we got a really really really good deal here if Harden stays healthy
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
NICE DEAL!!!!!!
Harden for Gallagher, Murton, and E-Pat!
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
Josh Donaldson just mentioned on GN
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
Right now, I feel like this is a good deal...
...we don’t play Murton or Patterson, and if we want to win NOW, a healthy Harden helps us A LOT.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Hendry says
“There’s certainly some risk but a very very very high reward.”
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
He's a major league pitcher who has had a little success
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
I don't know who that is...
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Damn
No wonder Oakland made this deal. Not saying I’m not happy about it, but still.
by Great Odin's Raven on Jul 8, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
what does that mean?
Godan is a pitcher, obviously. Who is Josh Donaldson?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Another reason to be thankful for Soto
Another reason to be thankful for Soto. Made Donaldson expendable.
Go Cubs
by puckishcubsfan on Jul 8, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not worried about us at Catcher
The Gallagher part is a bit scary, but I say we go for it. Wow, though
These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"
career
4.33 ERA???
446 hits in 421 innings. 197 BB, 299 SO.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
my guess is he is the Matt Murton
of the Harden deal. That seemed to work out well in the Nomar deal.
They plan to use him in middle relief, the role that Gallagher was going to be in (w/Lieber).
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
Eat it Milwaukee
They bring a knife, you bring a gun.
Milwaukee gets a Sabathia, Cubs bring in Harden.
THAT’S the Chicago Way!
Yea I was just reading everything above
Why the hell are people pissed about this, Rich Harden is SOLID. Do you want to win the division? Well Gallagher isnt going to do it now. I understand how he is our future, but there comes a point where the future is NOW, go for the big guys win the division and push further if at all possible, this can be accomplished with harden
"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano
by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 8, 2008 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
He's NOT solid.
He’s due to be on the DL in less than a month, given historical trends.
I’m very very very worried that this is going to backfire on us.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
HOGWASH
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
hogwash?
no, it’s not.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
the clock
is ticking.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Neither is Wood...
what is your point?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Drew thinks he's due to be hurt Thursday
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
before August 30th, I believe
was the bet.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll save feeling crappy for then
and get excited for now. Good luck Gallagher, but GO CUBS.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
Completely earnest question -- no snark
Which of the players that we lost is going to hurt us this year?
Harden
when he goes on the DL in three weeks.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
of course it can hurt us
now we have no backup left-fielder (not that Lou was using him, but still). And we’ve lost an extremely promising young arm we could have controlled for years.
In return, we get a likely DL candidate and another mid-game reliever.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
DeRosa = back up LF
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Which weakens
the middle infield even more.
Not a situation devoutly to be wished.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
How does that weaken the middle infield?
By cwyers numbers… Fontenot is actually a better fielding 2B than DeRosa?
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I don't think that's right.
DeRosa is having a career year, and Cwyers listed him as a top-5 2Bman.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I rememeber cwyers saying "this will shock you"
But Fontenot is playing the best 2B on our team
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Updated on May 25, 2008
Top five overall for DeRosa...
...and those numbers are weeks old. I’d try to rerun the defensive figures tonight, but I obviously have some other things on my plate now. DeRosa’s the better overall player, and I don’t think it’s close.
Yep... DeRosa and Johnson
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We've still got four outfielders, which what most teams carry
And this year has got to be it. There is about a two- or three-year window with this team when you can be sure they can contend. After that, it should still be a strong team, but Soriano could be aging, Lee could be past his prime, Edmonds will definitely be gone, Fukudome and Lilly’s deals with be running out
It’s great to have young talent, but this is a team that is in its prime NOW. We can’t afford to hold onto young players when there’s someone out there who can make us better. And if you think Gally healthy is better than a chance at Harden, well I’ll have to respectfully disagree.
backup LF are a dime a dozen...that doesnt hurt us
...the risk is Harden’s health and Gallaghers upside.
No backup left fielder? Reed Johnson would like to shake your hand, but you seem to be too busy holding them up to your ears.
by HereComesASpecialBoy on Jul 8, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Reed Johnson
is a platoon center-fielder. The whole point of having Edmonds is so that Johnson doesn’t play on certain days.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
If there was a backup for every position player
You’d need eight bench guys.
Soriano’s coming back. Murton had nowhere to go when that day comes—in about a week.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
Relax
Take two Xanax and see me in October.
by Great Odin's Raven on Jul 8, 2008 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
He is a big injury risk.
I trust Hendry though. And they got Gaudin in the deal. Pray for Harden health. Ignore Blue Mike’s crowing.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope
you’re right.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Me too. Let's all start praying now...
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I just took a vicodin
so I’m cool.
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
You are going to be very cool tonight.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
This doesn't make us worse
Gallagher wasn’t going to get out of Feisty’s doghouse
Murton is right-handed and won’t play much
EPat just continues to clog up the middle of the infield and obviously can’t play outfield
If - IF - Harden gets hurt, we still have same rotation, just one fewer possible replacement with Gally gone
None of the players we gave up will break us this year. Harden can only help
Plus... Harden has a $7MM option for '09
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Oakland did need a LF
Good for Murton.
by Great Odin's Raven on Jul 8, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't forget Murton was the throw in w/Nomar.
so he did has some value in the end. He helped us land Harden.
Let’s all take a deep breath and hope he can stay healthy.
Now let’s get Maddux back (for Marquis) so he can re-place Larry as the pitching coach ASAP. Too much talent being wasted here!!
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
Chad Gaudin to Cubs as well.
We get Harden and Gaudin. Gallagher, Murton, EPatt & PTBNL.
Jimmyeatworld
Gaudin vs. Godzilla
One of my all-time top 5 movies!
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
Paul Sullivan post on ChicagoSports.com
The Cubs answered the Brewers acquisition of CC Sabathia, picking up RIch Harden and Chad Gaudin from Oakland on Tuesday for Sean Gallagher, Eric Patterson, Matt Murton and Josh Donaldson.
The right-handed Harden is 5-1 with an 2.34 earned-run average and 92 strikeouts over 13 games for Oakland, bolters a Cubs rotation that just got saw the return of Carlos Zambrano.
Patterson and Murton had spent time between Chicago and Triple-A Iowa this season.
Gaudin is expected to join the Cubs bullpen but could spot start if needed, general manager Jim Hendry said.
by Great Odin's Raven on Jul 8, 2008 5:38 PM CDT reply actions
Harden's contract info, from Cot's...
Rich Harden rhp
4 years/$9M (2005-08), plus $7M 2009 club option
- $1M signing bonus
- 05:$0.5M, 06:$1M, 07:$2M, 08:$4.5M, 09:$7M club option (no buyout)
- escalators based on IP
- signed extension 4/05, replacing 1 year/$0.3365M for 2005 signed 3/05
- ML service: 4.074
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Man, if he stays healthy, that club option is cheap!!!
by crazymountain on Jul 8, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Bullpen guy.
Long/middle relief type. Kinda like a Lieber, could start if he had to.
by Great Odin's Raven on Jul 8, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Won 11 games last year...threw almost 200 innings...
http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/gaudich01.shtml
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Makes
This makes this deal even better,
Go Cubs
by puckishcubsfan on Jul 8, 2008 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I would agree.
Never have too much bullpen help.
by Great Odin's Raven on Jul 8, 2008 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
right handed reliever. Strikeout pitcher. only 24.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't he have hip surgery recently?
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jul 8, 2008 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Hendry wastes no time in answering the Brewers move...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2008 5:39 PM CDT reply actions
Chad Gaudin 2008 numbers
G GS W L SV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA
26 6 5 3 0 0 0 62.2 63 29 25 6 17 44 3.59 1.28 .263
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
Gaudin
Is a nice piece…bullpen insurance, possible starter.
We still have Veal, Hart, Lieber, Gallagher as SP insurance, not to mention Ceda and the Shark down in the minors still.
Good move
Had to counter Milwaukee and we only really give up Gallagher, the goal is to win now people that is why Lou is here, if we wanted to win later we would have brought in Girardi and kept our farm but we only really lose Gallgher because patterson and murton would never had contributed here
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
Don't think we HAD to counter Milwaukee
But it is nice. And to do it the same day as CC’s first start! HA! This is Yankees-Red Sox stuff!
by Great Odin's Raven on Jul 8, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
It wasn't a counter move
We’ve been working on this deal for a month or so… by all accounts.
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Updated on May 25, 2008
Busy day...
Sign the top draft pick and trade for a couple new pitchers.
by Great Odin's Raven on Jul 8, 2008 5:42 PM CDT reply actions
THIS IS THE YEAR BOYS N GIRLS, THIS IS IT, WE ARE IN IT
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
I didn't want Harden
But Gaudin makes this deal a winner. Plus giving up only EPatt, Murton and Gallagher.
Good work, Jim.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 8, 2008 5:43 PM CDT reply actions
Hendry
“lengthy discussions with Mark O’Neill, their doctors, they were very forthcoming…”
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
Ernie Broglio says hi.
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
William Wrigley Jr
by bubbamike the one and only on Jul 8, 2008 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Now consider this y'all
What if..just what if…Rich Hill comes back to form?
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
I'm hoping for that too...
Still wish Gally didn’t have to go, but you have to give something good up for Harden.
that would be very good.
He could take Harden’s place in the rotation when Harden goes on the DL.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Drew...we get it...
you think he’s going to get hurt. Now drop it..you’re entering MDBNIU territory.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm PISSED.
I’m sorry. I’ll let it go, for the moment…
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't sweat it Drew.
Be pissed. You have a right. We just have to make sure we all drop to our knees and pray for Harden’s arm.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
we can always
take up a collection for a cubs-logo sling. :P
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Good idea.
Seriously Drew, don’t sweat it. You know much more than Blue Mike, and you and I know it. So he was right that we had enough to get Harden, he is not right about much else. It is a big if that he can stay healthy, but if he does- his stuff is sick.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Gaudin
Gaudin might be an upgrade over Gallagher if needed in the rotation.
Go Cubs
by puckishcubsfan on Jul 8, 2008 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
YEA BOY!
I am hype now! Just stay off the DL Harden!
"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano
by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jul 8, 2008 5:45 PM CDT reply actions
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/07/cubs-moves-in-t.html
link to ChicagoSports article
The 100th time has GOT to be a charm...
I really think it's positive...
...simply because we didn’t have spots for Patterson and Murton. They were being wasted away in the minors. Then this looks like Harden for Gallagher. And I’ll risk it, in this year, with this team.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
I vote good deal.
Was worried about a PTBNL—but I don’t see one in the news articles. Can anyone confirm that has heard Hendry?
Donaldson and Gallagher are what worries me.
Oh, and Harden’s injury history. Mostly his injury history.
If nothing else
I’m happy for Matt Murton. I hope he goes on to play very well, just not against us.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Too bad he's not in LA
those chicks in Malibu would be all over him. Instead he’s on an episode of Men In Trees.
by Great Odin's Raven on Jul 8, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm happy for him too.
I think Hendry really thought a lot of Matt because he mentioned at least a couple of times that he was happy for Matt.
Pinella mentioned the same on an ESPN article
These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"
Me too!
Matt conducted himself with great class and I hope he gets the chance to play in Oakland.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jul 8, 2008 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
we wont really know..
..Harden has to stay healthy and be productive. If he helps us get deep into October, then we can judge how good or bad this deal is.
ESPN finally woke up.
If it was the Red Sox, they’d have the phones wire tapped and would’ve announced it before the phone was hung up.
by Great Odin's Raven on Jul 8, 2008 5:46 PM CDT reply actions
So we basically gave up 3 players we weren't really using...
for 2 pitchers we plan on using a great deal. Isn’t this the hallmark of what a good GM does?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2008 5:46 PM CDT reply actions
THANK YOU, GOODNIGHT, PLEASE TIP YOUR WAITRESS
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Well Said..
And for those worried about Harden getting injured. Just say that something were to happen in the next few weeks (I don’t think it will be playing devils advocate) and he came back healthy in Sept and helped us go a long away, Good trade or bad trade? we were all saying how Z getting hurt and Sori getting hurt when they did it could be an alright thing b/c then they should fine come Aug and Sept, don’t you guys feel anything there. I’m personally not worried to much about, the way i see it is he had his injury this year and now he’s fine
"Go Cubs Go"
And
I was the first to post to the assemblage something was up. Thank you a good friend for alerting me to turn on WGN
Go Cubs
As I'm trapped at work
I thank you. Also, the first day I’ve been back on BCB in probably three months! How funny.
by Great Odin's Raven on Jul 8, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
It's official!
The Cubs gave up Gallagher, Murton, Patterson, and catching prospect Josh Donaldson.
5th starter
This makes him the 5th starter and if he continues going about 6 and giving up 3 or 4 runs consistentyly thats okay.
Go Cubs
by puckishcubsfan on Jul 8, 2008 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
No, it's not.
This move is much better if they move Marquis out of the rotation to make room for Harden. Plain and simple. There’ s nothing okay with “being a fifth starter” if there are five better pitchers on the team.
What about Gaudin?
Couldn’t this move be a pitch well or bullpen it is for you type of move? Gaudin has started before so I’m wondering if Hendry is sending Marquis a message here
"Go Cubs Go"
Someone needs to go if they're adding two pitchers
and substracting one
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
A note on Gaudin
He pitched high school ball in Louisiana at the little private school that my boys attended then. I have stood next to him, though never engaged him in conversation.
He is smaller than Tim Lincecum, and played against dismal competition in H.S. BUT…oh, that slider…oh, that wicked, wicked slider.
He is better than Wuertz in the pen and better than Marquis as a starter right now. And he could be a solid #4 starter for a few years.
I was against acquiring Harden for Gallagher straight up. But getting Chad puts the deal over the top, in my opinion.
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
Another Cajun?
What? Do these guys cook for Lou?
:D
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
i very excite!!!!
/borat
Before Edmonds: 24-16, (.600); With Edmonds: 29-20 (.592)
Edmonds with Cubs: .276 / .375 / .552
Don't know if any of you guys heard yet
but…we got a new player!
Now, let the shock wear off, and think about this: what exactly will Jim Edmonds mean to this team?
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
Another nice part of this deal
Harden = 26 years old
Gaudin = 25 years old
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Updated on May 25, 2008
Text
Just got my Cubs.com text message announcing the deal. May it be etched in stone!
by Great Odin's Raven on Jul 8, 2008 5:51 PM CDT reply actions
I'm SOOOOO jacked!
Great job by our front office!! I will pray that Rich Harden can stay healthy and contribute! Now we need to dump Marquis to some team and get prospects. Let’s Go Cubs!!!
"Commit to the Indian!"
I'm happy as well.
Nice to see the deal with Harden got done, and no current starters were lost. Please stay healthy!
"Lou is not talking about mechanics when he goes out to the mound,"
~Larry Rothschild
by Unrestricted View on Jul 8, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Harden and injuries
Just a note: Sori had never been on the DL. He’s been three times in the last two years. You can’t necessarily anticipate future injury status based on the past. It’s a cause for concern, but if you never go for anyone who’s had a couple stints on the DL, you’re cutting out a lot of players.
Well, the acquisition of Gaudin seems to make me feel better, great slider.
decent numbers, as far as I can tell…..
Matt needs to play. God Bless you Red, have a hell of a career with the A’s!
Sean, tear ‘em up!!!
EP – Your Corey was showing….
Josh, you were blocked here….I hope it works out!
Mr. Harden…..please, PLEASE do not get hurt…..
Milwaukee, change yer diapers!!!!! Cards, sorry guys…..
Ha!
Your Corey was showing…excellent.
"Whoo, boy! Next time around, bring me back my stomach!" -Jack Brickhouse
Lou:
this is a move where we get ourselves a top of the line rotation pitcher and a nice piece in the bullpen
We never give up -- Aramis Ramirez
Wow.
And you thought Drew was angry.
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jul 8, 2008 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
They are talking of commiting suicide over there
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
Wow they are MAAAAD about this trade...
...drinking, “f*ck me”, “throwing in the towel on this season”, those guys are furious!
w00t!
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Go Cubs.
:D
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jul 8, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
remember
some of them wanted Marmol. Yeah, right.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I like it but something is fishy
We give up two guys we could not use ( Murton & E-Pat) a great prospect we had
no place for ( Donaldson) and one pretty good young pitcher who was not really ready
I don’t trust Billy boy. He must know something we don’t. I am glad Murton gets to play
I hope A’s find a position E-Pat CAN play.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Those players have potential
And Beane believes he can make something out of them. Their coaching staff is outstanding and I won’t be surprised to see E-Patt and Gallagher doing well in the majors.
Well unless he makes E-Pat a DH
Good luck on finding a position for him. Too bad A’s don’t have Eric Byrnes anymore that would be
one amazing red headed combo. Well since they both play LF might be a problem.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 8, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
if the deal looks too good to be true
maybe it is.
Maybe there’s something bigger wrong with Harden’s arm. I don’t know.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
hopefully not like the brewers last night
C.C.+Feilder+Gagne=The brewers just ran out of XXXL Jerseys
YESSSSSSSSSS
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Thank You Jim!
It’s official—our Cubs are actually going to try to win the World Series this year … we’ll all get to see if Trader Jim’s big bet pays off over the next few months. I, for one, am just grateful our front office had the guts to go for it!
GO CUBS GO !!!!!
If It Takes Forever ....
It's Better to Harden...
than to soften!
So, are we going to a 13-man pen for the rest of the season?
Or are we going to ship a reliever out and call up someone else? WHO else?
Pie?
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jul 8, 2008 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
that it would.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Sean Gallagher (and Matt Murton)
May the road rise to meet you and may the wind be always at your back.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
The way I look at it is
We didn’t give up anyone that we had any use for. If Harden does follow his normal pattern, we really didn’t lose anything. If Harden pitches like he is capable, we got an Ace for a bunch of players we had no use for.
So it really is no lose situation, in my opinion.
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
EXACTLY
The guys we gave up (sans Gallagher) are all blocked in one way or another. Exactly how I see it, too.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
And Gallagher is good
He’s going to have a good career. But he isn’t the piece of the puzzle we need for this year. Two or three years down the line? Yeah, definitely.
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
You n me arelikethis
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
you're right on the money.
Gallagher will be good, you can see the potential. But it’s not Rich Harden’s potential – he’s at an entirely different level. Getting Gaudin as part of it only makes it a better deal.
Harden is a dream come true
We pick up a staff ace and a power pitcher. A guy who is also signed through last year and gives us, along with Carlos Zambrano, one of the best 1-2 punches in baseball. If not THE best. This deal is better than the CC Sabathia deal because Harden is signed through next year. AND we pick up the valuable Chuck Gaudin who can pitch in relief or start. So the bullpen gets a huge shot in the arm as well.
I am stunned how relative little the Cubs had to give up. Sean Gallagher will be missed and should develop into a quality starting pitcher. Josh Donaldson has a nice bat but probably needs to move to 1st base or the outfielder. AND NO MORE MATT NO TOOL MURTON or Eric Patterson to worry about.
I have died and gone to happen. Ladies and gentlemen, the path to the 2008 World Series has been paved.
Cubs get Rich Harden !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We got an ace !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I congratulate you on your successes...
...and now thank you for making this trade happen.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Happy now?
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Now I suppose we can move on to...
the daunting task of getting rid of Soriano?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
And every other Cubs player
Besides Harden.
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
No...he likes Dome, Ramirez, DeRosa, and is OK with Reed and Edmonds.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought they were all guess hack hitters
in BlueMike’s book. But if I am wrong, I can admit it, unlike some… (not you SWL)
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
In fact he was right about Edmonds
and pretty much no one else was.
(shudder)
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
Edmonds
only got better after changing his stance. Another week of bad Edmonds and he would have hit the road.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Before he was signed, BM was the only one saying getting Edmonds would be a good move
that’s all.
''Listen, losing Soriano is no box of chocolates.'' ~Lou Piniella
Wrong,
I was the first, but not the only one, to trumpet ED.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
It would have been more like a couple of days
if he hadn’t changed his stance.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
But he didn't?
What’s the point of looking in that light now? Same w/ Harden, if he goes to the DL, I’ll happily eat crow but fact of the matter is we got 2 solid pitchers who can perform now for guys w/ potential. I liked the Redhead, Epat, and Gallagher but I also like the thought of having solid 1-4 pitching rotation.
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
and he LOVES
Theriot.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok, now Blue boy.
You were right, but you must drop to your knees and pray to God that he stays healthy. Turns out we did have enough to get Harden.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
props to MDBNIU on this.
Before Edmonds: 24-16, (.600); With Edmonds: 29-20 (.592)
Edmonds with Cubs: .276 / .375 / .552
the road to hell
is paved with good intentions.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
But
BlueMike isn’t going to hell. To quote him “I have died and gone to happen.”
LOL Even when he’s right, he manages to screw up.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on Jul 8, 2008 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I like that there are differing opinions.
If everyone loved this trade, it would bomb for sure, so I want to thank those BCBers who are really upset. You have brought balance to this discussion and the yang to the yin. Without you, this Harden move would clearly prove to be a bust—as one-sided BCB threads are always WRONG.
So thank you for your valued contribution to the discussion. Everyone has an important role in life.
Now let’s go get ‘em Cubs!! Beat down Dusty and the Reds!!
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
It sounds like
Harden is ready to DL, they are talking about his “DEAD ARM”. Maybe we traded for Gauden and Harden was a throw in. Hopefully not, but Gaudin CAN replace Gallagher. I certainly hope we weren’t shipped damaged goods….
I was reading the A's blog.....
Apparently, Harden has been going through a ‘dead arm’ stage, such as pitchers coming out of Spring Training talk about. I hope that is all it is…..
by crazymountain on Jul 8, 2008 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
last two starts at Angels and the Prison (White Sux).
two earned runs in both games, throwing five innings in both. They sound like awful games to me. He faced two tough teams in two tough ball parks.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
They're trying to justify the trade to themselves.
Harden looked fine the other night against the White Sox.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Where exactly did you hear this...
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
You do sound like you're crazy...
...but the fans over in the Oakland blog have been discussing Harden’s weakened performances during his last two starts.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Just a messenger, me....and I have been called crazy many times!!!!
by crazymountain on Jul 8, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
And to temper our excitement just a bit more:
Gaudin did have surgery this past winter, on his “hip labrum”. Not sure what that is. And also a sesamoidectomy. Sounds painful.
hip labrum, isn't that something girls have?
kidding, kidding
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
Alright,
everybody. Beane is not the genius that everyone thinks he is. He is a poor man’s Theo Epstein. The only reason Oakland plays Money Ball is that the owners will not allow them to spend.
Jimmyeatworld
compare and contrast
milwaukee got CC for basically their best prospect.
we got harden for one player we were using and what was, to us, spare parts. i mean, donaldson could turn out to be great. but not a ML ready prospect by any means.
and not to be overlooked, CC is gonna be a free agent. which means they gave all that up to rent him. whereas harden has a pretty cheap option we can pick up. huge difference, in my opinion.
wonder what cardinal fans are thinking right about now
C.C.+Feilder+Gagne=The brewers just ran out of XXXL Jerseys
"Let's drink n drive"??
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
No kidding
Brewers get CC , Cubs get Harden and they get Moulder back in the rotation
The way things are going, CC will revert to how he was in April, Harden will trip going to the
mound Friday and be out for a month and Moulder will be August pitcher of the month
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 8, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I asked this same question over at the A's blog
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Insurance?
If Harden does get hurt, Gaudin is an insurance policy.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
You said it yourself a few days ago:
sometimes GM’s let their egos get the best of them. Maybe Beane thinks he can turn Murton into a slugger, turn E-Patt into Sandberg, turn Gallagher into Tim Hudson, and make Josh Donaldson into a star. It seems like a healthy Harden makes this deal a clear win for the Cubs.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
or maybe
they think Harden’s arm will fall off.
We’re going to be relying on this guy a LOT. Maybe Gaudin is the guy who pitches the 6-9 innings of Harden’s starts. Harden + Gaudin = one pitcher. :P
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Looks like it....
But he is a good pitcher in his own right….
by crazymountain on Jul 8, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Top 1-2 punches in baseball...
1 – Zambrano/Harden
2 – Sheets/CC
3 – Webb/Haren
The tides have turned, men.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
i'll let you know how gorzelanny looks saturday...
while i’m officially scoring the indianapolis indians game.
I agree wholeheartedly, good deal for us...
I saw what they are saying and really am HOPING that a dead arm period is what it is. Harden, if healthy, is one of the best and gives our Cubs probably one of the top 5 starting staffs in MLB.
by crazymountain on Jul 8, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait to you get to see Harden perform on the mound
His stuff is as fillthy as it comes. A couple outings ago he was tipping 99 on the gun in the 7th inning.
Cubs get Rich Harden !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We got an ace !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He throws that fast??
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
He's a poor man's Josh Beckett.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Look at this pitching staff NOW !!!!!!!!
1. Zambrano
2. Harden
3. Dempster (slotted # 3 where he really belongs)
4. Lilly
5. Marquis
1. Wood
2. Marmol
3. Howry
4. Cotts
5. Gaudin (a HUGE plus for this bullpen given his flexibility….assuming of course he is getting health)
6. Marshall / Eyre
7. Lieber
Sayonara Michael Wuertz. And Hendry may surprise and make another addition to the bullpen.
We are going for it in 2008 !!! Now is when I can be legitimately excited for this team. Now we got to get the swinging hack and his 300 ounce bat back in shape.
Cubs get Rich Harden !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We got an ace !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow that looks sexy
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
I agree, the fact we got both of those guys for basically gallagher
seeing how patterson and murton suck and donaldson is blocked. Kudos to Jim Hendry, outstanding job on his part
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
Agreed. Although I loved Sean,
at least we got value for him. Damn, seeing those Gallagher for Crisp rumors added 10 years to my life…..
by crazymountain on Jul 8, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
My guess is key to the deal is Josh Donaldson
I bet Billy Beane really likes what he sees. And maybe he has a position switch already in mind given his shortcomings behind the plate.
Cubs get Rich Harden !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We got an ace !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
my guess is Lilly is #3 (just to have a lefty)
and you may have Marshall #5. I think Marquis may get moved before this is done.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
right.
because having the best record in the NL and being in first place wasn’t enough for you to be “legitimately excited”.
rolls eyes.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Mike Wuertz just might be the most undeservingly hated man in baseball.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
Gaudin....
from reading the A’s blog it seems that they are more pissed about Gaudin leaving than Harden, they are calling this a huge dissapointment on their part.
This is the farewell to the Red Headed Rainbow Rider...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2008 6:20 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Thank goodness
In all seriousness I hope he can a gainful role on the Oakland As. Maybe he can at least platoon.
Cubs get Rich Harden !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We got an ace !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SWL
Drew needs some pie! Can you order some up?
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Pie Chart time!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
heh.
I’m giggling and my wife is looking at me like I’m nuts, so all is as it should be…
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Glad you liked the pie.
and SWL, thanks to you for supplying the pie.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Problem
Murton’s hair is going to clash terribly in that A’s green and gold.
In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this -Oysterband
Think "Leprechaun"...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
oddly enough
the A’s have a copule red headed wonders on their team. it’s like they’re starting a club. bobby kielty, travis buck…
and apparently the brewers are starting the “african american players who enjoy eating quite a bit” club. gonna have to reinforce those benches up their, boys. that’s quite a load…
but i digress…
Just so you all know...
Over at Bizarro BCB…they’re shitting bricks.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2008 6:22 PM CDT reply actions
Let em!! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAA
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
You are going to get banned for your comment
they are ban happy over there.
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
I didn't say anything offensive, curse, or attack anyone...why would I?
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Just kidding
I’ve been banned and I don’t think I’ve posted anything negative. I think it was just pro-Cubs and that got me banned.
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
Anyone made a fanpost over at bizarro BCB about the trade?
If so, make sure you remember to change your avatar to one of some dude wizzing in a beer mug….
interesting on the score
matt abbatacola is saing that the cubs were in talks with the mariners for bedard, and basically it would have been the same deal, with pie replacing donaldson and possibly marquis being dumped.
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
A's seem to think Beane's not done, and gonna turn his players for more...
...and the Brewers are half shitting themselves and half think they turned out better with CC, which is ridiculous considering (1) we got Harden for another year, and (2) we also got Gaudin.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
A's fans say they got our 3rd and 7th best prospects...
...was Murton 3rd and Patterson 7th?
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Um probably Gallagher & Donaldson
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 8, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Patterson and Donaldson I would assume?
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
Ok this doesn't affect us at all but
I think Billy Beane is gonna absolutly take some poor GM for a ride in order to make up for this.
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
How to pronounce Gaudin's name: go-DAN
Straight from the A’s fans.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Rich Harden
Year Team ERA W L Sv Svo G IP H R ER BB K BAVG
2003 OAK 4.46 5 4 0 0 15 74.2 72 38 37 40 67 .259
2004 OAK 3.99 11 7 0 0 31 189.2 171 90 84 81 167 .242
2005 OAK 2.53 10 5 0 0 22 128.0 93 42 36 43 121 .201
2006 OAK 4.24 4 0 0 0 9 46.2 31 22 22 26 49 .191
2007 OAK 2.45 1 2 0 0 7 25.2 18 7 7 11 27 .202
2008 OAK 2.34 5 1 0 0 13 77.0 57 21 20 31 92 .206
Scouting Report
Assets
Backs up high-90’s heat with a deep arsenal, including a good slider and strong change-up. Is relaxed in tight spots and is capable of getting out of trouble. Has the potential to throw a no-hitter everytime out. A rare breed.
Flaws
He’s become a walking hospital ward, which threatens to limit a promising career. Doesn’t get ahead in the count enough, creating high pitch counts.
Career potential
An ace right-hander when healthy.
Cubs get Rich Harden !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We got an ace !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So let me get this straight...
Big trade…. and Marquis is STILL a cub? haha, I’m ok with that.
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
He's owed nearly $13 million through next year
Wont’ find a taker for that. And doubtful Hendry will release him.
Cubs get Rich Harden !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We got an ace !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MDBNIU, please change your (I don't know what you call it)
Z is our ace…..
by crazymountain on Jul 8, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
...headline
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
sig line.
And Z is and HAS BEEN our ace.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Correct!!
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
ESPN hinted at
Maddux as a possibility for the Cubs still. Wouldn’t that be nice!
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
It is possible BOTH teams get what they want here
A’s get two potentially really good players in Gallagher and Donaldson, Both could
be with the A’s for years to come. Murton gets to play and well not sure on E-Patt but he
would make a nice pinch runner. Harden could flame out but hopefully we get what we need this year. Goudin helps the BP. Two years from now Gallagher is an ace. Donaldson
is ROY, Harden is pitching for Brewers who hope to rehabilitate him but the Cubs get to look at shiny WS trophy from 08. Cubs go for NOW , A’s go for the future. One mans “steal”
is another’s stud. Still I do NOT trust Billy.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
May have been mentioned above
Lou just said he had Gaudin in Tampa Bay, so that means he know him, Also said he would be in the pen for us.
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
viagra sponsor?
as a long time cubbie fan stuck in the bay area, i need to remind everyone that the pitcher we picked up today is named:
rich harden.
rich as in richard as in tricky dick.
so his name is dick harden.
his first name is james, so he (or someone) chose to go with richard as his primary name.
dick.
harden.
ok, please return to your erudite selves.
go cubbies!
Per WGN
Lou says:
- OAK is playing for the future, We’re playing for the Present.
- Wishes all our players well over there
- Key thing is too keep Harden healthy, b/c he’ll be key down the line
So basically nothing new.
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
Did you hear Lou give Ron the lineup?
and batting 8th we got Little Fontenot…lol..
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
dammit
cut and paste – i think the SF Gate paper forms its URLs like this on purpose.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/07/SPJU11KT37.DTL
this article
is supposed to make me feel better?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
sure
i was a little freaked when i read his velocity was down, but they said it was up from his previous start. Up is better than down.
maybe this is a different article?
all I see here is him getting beat by the whitesox.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Chuck Gaudin
Scouting Report
Assets
A fearless, aggressive righty, he displays a good slider and moving fastball that sits around 90 m.p.h. Is capable of getting out of jams.
Flaws
Walks are his biggest drawback, and his lack of command are evident against left-handed hitters. Surprisingly, he’s ineffective with nobody on base.
Career potential
A decent mid-rotation starter.
Cubs get Rich Harden !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We got an ace !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have a friend who is telling me this guy is the real steal of this trade
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
Yeah
that extra arm helps me feel better about losing Sean.
These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"
+1
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on Jul 8, 2008 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
WHO'S EXCITED FOR THE GAME TONIGHT NOW!!
I’M DRINKIN TONIGHT!!
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
seriously
just changed my plans. wasn’t gonna watch this game on my tiny mlb.tv feed…gotta see it now. can’t wait…
he's not pitching tonight.
this weekend, tho…
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I know...
...I’m just excited for the game, to listen to the guys talk about Harden/Gaudin, and to watch CC get blown outta the water by the Rox…
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Im more excited then ive ever been
for this team
plz dont get injured.. :(
My 08 Cubs record 7-0
Updated June 01
This feels REAL good!
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
TWSS
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2008 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Look further up in this thread...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2008 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
The Cubs traded for two pitchers better than Marquis today...
...and have five others on the roster. What are the odds that Marquis is still starting by the end of the week? WAAAAAY too high.
by cwyers on Jul 8, 2008 6:49 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Considering that Lou looks like he might puke everytime Marquis pitches, I hope we are done with him now
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
next move?? wuertz..
too many right handers in the pen… when eyre comes back, I think wuertz will try to be traded…. maybe for a power righty on the bench
Where would he play?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
Where would he play?
He is a corner OF, and Soriano and Fukudome aren’t going anywhere
Zambrano viciously attacked a pair of watercoolers for the crime of being within his line of vision. It was a classic battle of man versus inanimate object.
harden may pitch against giants (again)
i think harden’s next scheduled start was friday, and for the cubbies, that’d be against the giants in wrigley.
as an A, he pitched an interleague game against them on 14jun (flag day) and one hit them in 6 innings for the win.
Hmm
I’m still not sold on this yet. I think we gave up too much in Matt and Sean. Still, we did need a solid pitcher
-Charlemagne
All I can say in conclusion, THANK YOU Jim Hendry
Your reputation and stock went up a couple notches in my book. Cubs had screaming need for a frontline starting pitcher and you sir went out and got one. Plus you added another quality arm that can help us in the bullpen or the rotation.
Crane Kenney needs to put a little something extra in your pay envelope this week.
Rich Harden Fever, Catch It !!!!!!!!!!
All I can say in conclusion, THANK YOU Jim Hendry
Your reputation and stock went up a couple notches in my book. Cubs had screaming need for a frontline starting pitcher and you sir went out and got one. Plus you added another quality arm that can help us in the bullpen or the rotation.
Crane Kenney needs to put a little something extra in your pay envelope this week.
Rich Harden Fever, Catch It !!!!!!!!!!
I just threw up
a little bit in my mouth.
Think you can get up off your knees, man? There’s kids here…
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm with ya
just like i said it’s nice to be the guys who are expected to pull off the big move…..just like the soriano deal…..i like that we are putting the pressure on rather than sit tight and hope for the best (alla cardinals)
IF we can keep him healthy by getting 6 IP per start
I would be thrilled. 6 innings of Harden per game would be outrageous!! Now for a SS…...
We're already overloaded on 6 inning pitchers...remember?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2008 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
a's fans crying in their soda's
the a’s fans around me (both of them) are going nuts. sure, harden’s been hurt, but he’s been big when healthy, and gaudin is quiet but very effective.
i’ve been trying to tell them gallagher is good for 5.3 innings, but they aren’t buying it and they remember how much i hate c-pat, so they aren’t buying e-pat….
good day, cubs fans. good day.
The A's blog is so upset...
they have an overflow thread about the trade.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2008 6:54 PM CDT reply actions
You would be too
The A’s are only a handful of games out of 1st place and yet Billy Beane carried through with his original plan to make this a rebuilding year come hell or high water. The A’s will like Sean Gallagher because he will be a good pitcher. Add him to Dana Eveland, Greg Smith, GIo Gonzalez….and that’s the makings of a quality young rotation. Josh Donaldson probably ends up being an important offensive part down the road too.
Rich Harden Fever, Catch It !!!!!!!!!!
But seeing as how PITCHING IS KING...
and the A’s don’t exactly have the 1-2 PUNCH needed to strike fear in the hearts of the opposition, they were doomed if they made the playoffs anyway…...right?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2008 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
credit to hendry for "stick-with-it-ness"
from an a’s blog in a local paper:
“Beane basically confirmed … in his session with reporters, saying that it was Hendry’s stick-with-it-ness that ultimately created the deal.”
do the tigers have anyone that we might want for bench?
they always seem to be wanting wuertz
Wuertz is definitely available
Maybe he can net us a decent prospect or some bench help.
Rich Harden Fever, Catch It !!!!!!!!!!
Something tells me that 50% of the posts tonight will have to words RICH and HARDEN in them...
The 100th time has GOT to be a charm...
back to the game tonight
big win tonight against harang would really set the night
Finally found my Cubs Visor that I got at Wrigley in 2002
Put it on before I logged onto BCB today in the hopes that it still had some luck in it (The Cubs beat the Braves that day, and I believe Sammy hit a home run).
Methinks this hat is a keeper. :D
These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"
This was the right move for this year
Look, Cubs fans have waited 100 years for a world title.
This is the best opportunity since 1984. Why not roll the dice a bit and see what happens?
A rotation of Zambrano, Hendry and Lilly in a playoff series ranks up with the best pitching in baseball if Harden stays healthy (and I hope Billy Beane threw in an industrial-sized roll of bubble wrap, too).
Even if he doesn’t, Eric Patterson, Sean Gallagher, Matt Murton and Josh Donaldson is a small price to pay for the risk – especially with Chad Gaudin – a solid piece to the bullpen or potential No.5 starter – in the mix.
GIve Hendry and the Cubs management credit for being willing to spend and take a risk.
They know this could be the year, too.
by South Carolina Cub on Jul 8, 2008 7:00 PM CDT reply actions
Will Marquis start again ?
I am not joking. He last started against the Giants a week ago. He was due to start Friday
I think Lou is likely to give Marshall the start Sat cause he loves having a lefty. Dempster is going Sunday. If Lou starts Marshall on Sat with the AS break it might be almost 3 weeks
to find out if he will ever start again. He may just stash in the bullpen and bring him in for
mop ups.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
good point
i think you are right…. he’ll be in the pen and marshall will be given one more look before the break
if marquis goes to the pen
I predict he’ll be released within two weeks. he may not pull a chacon, but he’ll be enough of a pain in the ass about it that he’ll get a ticket outta town.
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
They have no chance of trading him
if they don’t keep him in the rotation to “showcase” him.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
The only way the trade him
Is to eat at least 80% of the 13 million or so owed him through next year. With folks picking up people
like Tomko and Tavaras the Cubs could probably find a taker for Jason if it was maybe 3 or 4 million through next year. He is not actually worthless but he is TOTALY in Lou’s dog house and Lou does not
care a rats’ ass about ” showcasing” him just ask Matt Murton.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 8, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
JUMP TO THE GAME THREAD
(SAME WINDOW)
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
LMAO at BbTF:
Getting Gaudin too is huge. Plus it gives Fontenot and Theriot someone to boil crawfish with.
Dome-san!!
by Goat Whisperer on Jul 8, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
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