...No, really I meant 'Harden Overflow Thread'...
by Snake Plisskin on Jul 8, 2008 11:52 AM CDT
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From mlbtraderumors.com (Yeah, I know):
Cubs Pursuing Harden In Wake Of Sabathia Deal By Tim Dierkes [July 7 at 8:47am CST]How will the Cubs counter the Brewers' C.C. Sabathia acquisition? They simply can't match it, but the next best thing might be Rich Harden. Harden is also a frontline starter, but he lacks Sabathia's durability.
According to Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times, "the Cubs have spent a lot of time on the phone recently with Oakland Athletics GM Billy Beane trying to pry away Harden." De Luca says they've been discussed a deal for at least a month. Plan C is apparently Randy Wolf. Will Carroll says the Cubs "think they match up well for A.J. Burnett."
Jayson Stark commented on the Harden situation on Thursday:
The A's will consider any offers that allow them to add and subtract at the same time. But any Harden deal would have to at least approach last winter's Dan Haren extravaganza.
A reminder: Baseball America ranked Carlos Gonzalez as the game's #22 prospect, and Brett Anderson was #36. The Cubs don't have two players like that. Then add Greg Smith and Dana Eveland, who have combined for a 3.52 ERA in 207 innings this year. Oh, and toss in Chris Carter and Aaron Cunningham for good measure. That was a haul, even for an ace like Haren.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation or Al Yellon, managing editor (unless it's a FanPost posted by Al). FanPost opinions are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.
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Mmmm...day old news.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 8, 2008 11:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Better than day old donuts.
And, bonus, no dumpster diving!
I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, so why don't we just ignore each other til we go away.
by neverAcquiesce on Jul 8, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, where have you been?
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jul 8, 2008 12:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Living my life...
Just kidding.
I’m afraid my internet connection has been shotty for a while. Should have searched when i finally did log on, my bad.
by Snake Plisskin on Jul 8, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Northsider!
How’s Cali treating ya? Hopefully good. When you come back to Chicago I’ve got a buddy that used do the sound for all the White Sox & Blackhawks games, who could probably give you much info. on mics, etc. that will work the best for ya. Let me know here when you get back.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you guys
got me in trouble yesterday somehow i got blamed for the name calling I think this is ageism
by oeosoto on Jul 8, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who blamed you?
Didn’t want to get you “in trouble” Ageism? I don’t know how that plays into it. Let yesterday go, I think most everybody has forgotten about it already. I’m glad you’re here.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got warned
I was being sarcastic that it was you guys but did i do anything that warranted a warning
by oeosoto on Jul 8, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so. Who warned you? Al?
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al
Man. I didn’t think you were saying anything out of line.
by cubs on Jul 8, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok well
just was curious thnx didn’t think i said anything that bad
by oeosoto on Jul 8, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You didn't say anything that bad.
I would just forget it. Accept my apologies.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jimmyeatworld,
I was just about to write back, but these frequent blackouts due to the Gap Fire wouldn’t let me. I’m doing fine, but I probably won’t be in Chicago for months, if not years. Can he recommend something anyway?
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jul 8, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll try to get a hold of him in the next few days, and try to get an idea.
You put up your e-mail before, put it up again, and I’ll e-mail you. (I don’t want everyone here to have my e-mail add). Then you can let me know exactly what you’re looking for, looking to find out, etc.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Click my name.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jul 8, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sent you an e-mail from one of my aol accts.
It doesn’t have my real name on it. So look for something from raheem.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In all fairness...
...the other Harden thread is getting pretty dense (almost 500 posts as I write this) and slow. So maybe we should consider this the overflow thread.
In fact, Kinky Reggae and I were just discussing the possibility of Aaron Harang as an alternative to Harden. Thoughts?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 8, 2008 12:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, you know how I feel.
Called and discussed this on the Score this am. They seemed to agree with me. A lot of people will say that he will never be traded in the division, but I really think that this doesn’t matter so much when Cincy is out of it already. Harang is the definition of durable, has great stuff, but no run support in Cincy. While not the name that C.C. is, Harang could put up similar numbers in the second half, esp. with the line-up the Cubs would trot out behind him every time he goes to the mound. Who do you give Cincy for the Big Boy?
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh based on his past seasons
IMO, he is very much a CC parallel. I would love him here but daver made a good point. Cincy already has a very young team built for the future. Giving them Gallagher and others all but crowns them a competitor in the coming years.
I feel it is worth it if we can win now. Very valid point though.
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Jul 8, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Gallagher.
Don’t trade Gallagher for Harang.
I’d prefer to keep Gallagher period, but let’s see what happens.
by Snake Plisskin on Jul 8, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd trade Gallagher for Harang
if Harang had a clean bill of health. The only worries we should have about sending young pitching to Dusty Baker is whether or not it is ethical.
I also think Hendry has a good record of trading in-division and not hurting us long-term by doing it. Trading with Jocketty, though, is risky.
by DGU on Jul 8, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
GOOD POINT!
Dudty will kill Gallagher’s arm before he ever sees the light of day in 2009. Do this trade if it is possible Hendry!
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Jul 8, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harang.
His 4.47 ERA is high, but he’s a good pitcher. He just may not be motivated enough. Put him in a Pennant Race…
by Snake Plisskin on Jul 8, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not likely
That the Reds will trade him. I haven’t heard one rumor regarding him I think Burnett is Harden’s alternative.
by oeosoto on Jul 8, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't depend on rumors...
Harang has always flown under the radar. I wouldn’t put it past Hendry to pull this off, he has a propensity to make the deal that no one else is thinking and/or talking about.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
I just have not heard he is availble
by oeosoto on Jul 8, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the other thread...
...cwyers pointed out that the Reds GM recently issued a list of “untouchables” and Harang’s name was not on it.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 8, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
I have a feeling that if and when Hendry pulls something off it will be something that very few were expecting. I, for one, would be very happy with Harang.
by bluekoolaide on Jul 8, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, as I mentioned in the other thread...
...Harang’s numbers currently stand as follows: 4.47 ERA/1.348 WHIP/.284 BAA (100 ERA+).
So, as of right now, he’s a league average pitcher. (107 ERA+ for his career.) A change of scenery might get him going again, but it might not. And the Reds GM could demand Gallagher in the trade package, making this a really risky move in the long term.
Still, I’ve always been a fan of Harang – he reminds me of a kinder, gentler Big Z. And, as others have mentioned, this might be the kinda surprise move Hendry excels at.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 8, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gallagher for Harang
=BAD MOVE If the Reds had Volquez, Cueto, Gallagher, and Bailey if he ever gets it together we could be in trouble with there offense of Bruce and Votto
by oeosoto on Jul 8, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly.
This would be a huge gamble in terms of future competitiveness. However, if the Cubs’ mantra truly is “WIN NOW”...
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 8, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Win Now
to me would not include Harang, I’d Rather have Burnett or Harden other then that if we can;t get a qualitly starter get a better bullpen and win that way.
by oeosoto on Jul 8, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, you might want to check Harang's numbers.
He’s had near Cy Young quality stuff for the last two years. He has fallen off somewhat so far this year, though.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 8, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
this he was a Cub killer the last two years to but, he looks to have hit a wall this year. Don’t get me wrong if we could get him somehow for not that much then yes by all means but, I don’t want him if it means jepordizing the future.
by oeosoto on Jul 8, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point made above
about Dusty wrecking Gallagher before 2009 even arrives though.
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Jul 8, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Hendry could probably get Harang
without Gallagher. This is just a feeling that I have. Cincy is looking to fill many holes, and pitching doesn’t seem to be a hole for them. They need a SS, OF’s, and a catcher.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welligton Castillo and Thomas
for Harang
by oeosoto on Jul 8, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might take more, but this is a start.
Maybe throw them Veal, EPatt also?
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO VEAL
for Harang Dusty can have Epat that be cute
by oeosoto on Jul 8, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aw, c'mon, try the veal.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 8, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet tooth, eh?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 8, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear the veal marsala is very good.
But seriously, I think they could get Harang without Gallagher being in the deal.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would make Harang quite tempting...
...depending on who the other prospects involved were, of course.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 8, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really
wish Buster Onley or Gammons would talk about who the Cubs are discussing in trade talks I have notheard one of there prospects mentioned on BBTN or MLBTR. I saw in Onley blog he did not expect Cubs to do anything only could see some of it though cause i’m not an insider.
by oeosoto on Jul 8, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be leery about giving the Reds a pitcher...
especially when the Cubs would have to face him year in and year out.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 8, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harang had to be scratched from his last start
because of tightness in his forearm. Don’t know if that’s chronic, but Hal McCoy of the Dayton Daily News thinks it’s troubling.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 8, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not too troubling.
He’s starting tonight.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also tends to have Back problems...
Missed a start last year against the Cubs and Brewers because of back issues.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jul 8, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is wierd man
I JUST cancelled my “Harden Et Al Overflow Thread” to suggest we use Snake’s as this very thread!
WTF??? CRAAAZY!
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Jul 8, 2008 12:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You and me, man, we're like this.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 8, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what the responce (sic) will be
Fukudometer: Created 3/31/08 Wrigley Debut 4/5/08 WGN and Japan TV Debut 4/6/08 Sun Times Debut: 4/20/08
by Fuk-U-Meter on Jul 8, 2008 12:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I changed the title.
Now officially the Harden Overflow Thread.
by Snake Plisskin on Jul 8, 2008 12:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What a save!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 8, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point
I’d rather have Burnett. We match well with the Blue Jays, Burnett says he wants to come here, so he’s motivated, and he’s not as much of a DL risk.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 12:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Do you think Zambrano Burnett matches up with the Brewers, Dimondbacks, Dodgers well in a playoff series? I dont. However, i think Zambrano Harden would be the best duo at the top of rotation in the NL. And maybe the MLB. Obviously you are taking a chance that harden would remain healthy but we havent won it a long time so you take this chance.
by dlee25 on Jul 8, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Zambrano,Burnett, Dempster,Lilly mathces anyone in the NL the depth of the staff would be better then most. Obviouly Burnett is not Ben sheets though i think he is comparable if he is on or Dan Haren but there is not many teams thats number three that would be better then Dempster or a number 4 that would be better then Lilly.
by oeosoto on Jul 8, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea we would have good depth
but in a playoff series I would like to have 2 top end starters to dominate rather than a 1 ace and 2 to 3 good starters
by dlee25 on Jul 8, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Zambrano, Dempster matches up already, with just about anyone. Have we all somehow forgotten that we have the best record in the NL? That we’re in first place?
It is precisely because we haven’t “won it” in a long time that we do NOT take this chance. Spend the capital on a pitcher you KNOW WILL PITCH.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather...
...have Halladay. Forget Burnett – he’s too much of a wildcard, with the ability to opt out or (worse) stay around.
Land Halladay, on the other hand….and you’re talking a VERY intimidating rotation.
by Chadnudj on Jul 8, 2008 12:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm fairly certain Halladay is not available.
Maybe someone else can confirm this, but I have not read or heard Halladay’s name brought up as a possibility anywhere.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 8, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are we kidnapping him at the market?
or are we gonna take the house?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ZOMG WE'RE CUBS FANS
We can have aneething we wish fore!
"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk
by NittanyCub on Jul 8, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just want to know
where to put the snipers, is all.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we don't have enough for CC
who was a rental, we certainly don’t have enough for Halladay who has 2 years left on his contract (and imo is a better pitcher).
by madeindetroit on Jul 8, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmph
It’s not that we didn’t have enough for CC. It’s that we didn’t have what the Indians wanted. Other teams are more likely to like what we have.
by DGU on Jul 8, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point taken
but the Blue Jays are not trading Doc
by madeindetroit on Jul 8, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah,
totally agree on that point. Halladay is a Jay and will be for another year and at least. I just think a lot of Cub fans are underselling the trade chips we do have which do have significant value.
by DGU on Jul 8, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am sure you are right on both counts
Putting a value on our trade chips is not my expertise, so I should have just posted “There is no way we are getting Halladay”.
by madeindetroit on Jul 8, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harang
I have always liked him as a pitcher, he is an odd looking fellow, anyways I just don’t know if he would be the guy to put us over the top. If Hendry and other smart baseball minds think he could be that guy, great, but I don’t think that’s the case.
I only want to give up “the farm” if the player we receive in return is an ace type pitcher. Why settle for Randy Wolf or Harang? Now that CC is off the table the next best option in (gulp) Rich Harden. I was against him from the beginning because of our history with shoulder problems but the Cubs don’t have any other options. The opportunity is this year. The Cubs should only be looking for a guy that could push Dempster down to 3 in the playoff rotation; that is the type of pitcher they should give everything to get.
Lets do it Cubbies
by slocs55 on Jul 8, 2008 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Forgot to mention the others on my wish list
Harden/Bedard (I can be convinced either would be better) and maybe Burnett, but he is another I don’t know if I would give that much up for.
Lets do it Cubbies
by slocs55 on Jul 8, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Bedard
They want the farm and I don’t think he will be that much of an upgrade to Marshall the way he has pitched this year.
by oeosoto on Jul 8, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take bedard over marshall in an instant
But Seatle probably thinks they can get what they paid for Bedard which is ridiculous thinking on their part because it was a bad deal to begin with.
by cubs on Jul 8, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously
Bedard is better then Marshall but, like you said they want Adam Jones and the rest of that trade back maybe we could get him for Pie.
by oeosoto on Jul 8, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pie
I don’t pie has even close to the same kind of value as adam jones did but the M’s are pretttty desperate
by cubs on Jul 8, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie doesn't have the value Jones had when traded
but honestly it wouldn’t be a hard sell to compare Pie and Jones today given where Jones is last I checked his stats. Pie and a middle IF could very well interest the M’s (although it would take a few more prospects in there to get a deal done).
by DGU on Jul 8, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jones
Hitting .282 and taking hardly any walks. Pie doesn’t take walks or hit and they both play great D. Pie also has a bit more speed. Definitely similar players.
by cubs on Jul 8, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're also forgetting
that Pie doesn’t spike baseballs 5 feet in front of him, and has a Saturn V Rocket arm compared to Jones. I agree about the hitting, though. They both don’t take walks or hit. And Pie doesn’t do the cool bat-flip like Jones, whenever he hits a home run.
"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk
by NittanyCub on Jul 8, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don't think that.
The Ms are aware that Bedard’s value has lessened.
by cwyers on Jul 8, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm getting really tired of people saying this is "the year."
If you’re talking about in terms of Dempster, Howry(I believe) and other contracts being up by the end of ‘08, then I agree this would be “the year.” But Zambrano, Lee, Ramirez, Soriano are locked up for a long time. These next 3-4 years are the window of opportunity for the Cubs, in my opinion at least.
"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk
by NittanyCub on Jul 8, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to understand that this year
the Cubs are uniquely positioned in a weak NL to take the pennant. It really doesn’t have anything to do with who’s under contract. It has to do with this year.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not to mention
Most of they guys in our lineup (DeRo, Lee, Ramirez, Soriano) are in their prime
by cubs on Jul 8, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those are good points
DeRosa and Theriot seem to be having career years. The NL has been weak for a couple years now, and I doubt the strength of the division will change from this year to the next.
"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk
by NittanyCub on Jul 8, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don't want to go all MDBNIU here...
...but this Cubs team is a well-balanced, winning club in a good position to make a postseason run. Now is the time to act – the key is acting wisely.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 8, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope Blue Mike doesn't show up.
He’ll go off about Harden again, and we’ll have to slap ‘em down.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm afraid it's only a matter of time...
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 8, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right, hoping against hope.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 8, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's already stirring around
in the ML Recap thread…
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He begins
With a +1 and slowly lets his opinions be heard. It is only a short matter of time now
by cubs on Jul 8, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like a shark grazing its prey to draw blood.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 8, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you mean a
dodo bird lookin’ for a place to take a poop, right? :p
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I give him too much credit.
A dodo bird works…or maybe a pigeon settling atop a telephone wire to do its business.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 8, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im suprised
He still hasnt gotten to this thread. The name even has Harden in it. he must be getting ready for an all out war.
by cubs on Jul 8, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he better not stand with his legs too far apart
ZAPPO.
Of course, we already traded away his nuts…
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That +1 is like the dorsel fin (top fin I think)
just breaking the water. Then he pounces!
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Jul 8, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
MIke is lurking, preparing all of his Harden rants
by cubs on Jul 8, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you mean
cutting and pasting, right?
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It obviously has to do with what Beane wants in return.
Unfortunately, the Cubs are nowhere near the level of high-prospect players like the Milwaukee Brewers; if Beane wants a Veal/Ceda package, which I’m guessing he does, I hope the Cubs don’t bite. Donald Veal + Jose Ceda doesn’t equal a good trade for Rich Harden. There are slim pickins down in the minors for the Cubs.
"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk
by NittanyCub on Jul 8, 2008 1:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Zack Greinke should be considered
He is young, posts good numbers on an average to below average team. Even if he is not available Hendry should be calling to see if something can be done with KC. He makes 1.4M which is 20% of what Marquis makes in a season.
It says here, he's a magician, and he plays the guitar. -- I believe it says he is a musician, Ron. (Ron and Pat discussing Barry Zito)
by MFine2 on Jul 8, 2008 1:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Greinke
I don’t trust a guy like Greinke if I’m the cubs. He has great stuff sure but has not had a lot of success in his career to this point.
by cubs on Jul 8, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
He has not had a lot of success and hopefully the players that the Royals would want in return would reflect that scenario. However, the Cubs took chances with Dempster as a starter and Marquis in free agency, and you would have to say that Greinke has had similiar if not more success, in his limited sample size, as those two pitchers.
It says here, he's a magician, and he plays the guitar. -- I believe it says he is a musician, Ron. (Ron and Pat discussing Barry Zito)
by MFine2 on Jul 8, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No success?
He’s 24 and last year he had a 127 ERA+ and this year he is at 117. That’s success to me.
by rlpete on Jul 8, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok you want to throw around stats
How about that hes pitched 150 innings once in his career and in that year his era was approaching 6.
by cubs on Jul 8, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was 21 in the year you mention
How many pitchers were even in the majors for that many innings at that age?
I’ll take his last two years as an indication of his potential. It is very high. Possibly a #2 type starter. He won’t be cheap due to a perceived lack of success.
It’s all moot anyway. He’s not on the market and never has been unless you want to bowl over the Royals with an offer.
by rlpete on Jul 8, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greinke's most recent rumor
has him off the market. He’s my #1 guy if he is on the market.
by DGU on Jul 8, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you think the A's would want in return
Probably a solid starter to add in with Eveland and Greg Smith. Veal or Gallagher. Pie might not interest them because theyve already got a young outfield with Ryan Sweeney and Carols Gonzalez. Cedeno would help them at SS and maybe Murton in left. Not sure what else they would want.
by cubs on Jul 8, 2008 1:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Get what we can out of Murton
I still think we should actively pursue trading murton to TB for a prospect or two that we can flip for a pitcher from someone else
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by IvyOnTheWall on Jul 8, 2008 1:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think murton has more value then we give him credit for
he comes up and he hits. For a team like Tampa thats all they need nothing flashy just a guy who can get on base.
by cubs on Jul 8, 2008 1:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that’s why if someone wants him, we need to shop him…b/c otherwise he’s going to diminish in value before he gains any
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by IvyOnTheWall on Jul 8, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beane won't move Harden until very near the July 31st deadline
He knows full well that he can induce a feeding frenzy for Harden. Cubs, Cardinals, Phillies, Yankees and even the Rays may all enter the waters. Beane has time and patience on his side.
Get Rich Harden, Tim Hudson or AJ Burnett RIGHT NOW !!! No more living in denial and rationalizing away the holes on this pitching staff. No more Luvable Loser syndrome getting in the way of gunning for a World Series.
by MDBNIU on Jul 8, 2008 2:33 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Does he?
I could see that going both ways. While Harden’s value increases every start he makes healthy, so does the risk that he will get hurt again, like he has in the second half of every season he’s ever pitched.
Beane’s job is all about risk management; I don’t envy it when he has such a risky asset that he’s trying to value.
by Wreckard on Jul 8, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
reading the Atheletics Nation
board, it would appear that people there either totally over-value Harden - to the tune of suggesting that they would want Marmol as PART of a return package - or are so worried about him breaking down that they’ll trade him for Pie and a bag of balls.
Either way, I think we don’t get him. And I think that’s good.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still think so?
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Jul 9, 2008 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, everyone.
I went and stirred up trouble—I made a FanPost at Athletics Nation asking A’s fans what THEY think of the possibilities of Harden coming to the Cubs.
Go ahead and join in the fun.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jul 8, 2008 2:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Go get 'em, BlueMIke!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 8, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
comment of the thread they direct us to:
It’s pretty ironic that the Cubs, of all teams, would seek out someone who is comparable to Mark Prior and Kerry Wood.
DO. NOT. WANT.
"We expect to win. We go out to win. So we're just living up to our own expectations." Derrek Lee, 5/29/08
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's nice to see we're not the only SBN site...
...that goes off on maddeningly frivolous tangents.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 8, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
i read that too. Also they seem to think we don’t have what it takes to get harden anyways.
by cubs on Jul 8, 2008 3:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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