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Success: Cubs 6, Cardinals 2

The Cubs finished up yet another successful homestand with a convincing 6-2 win over the Cardinals last night; they won their fourth straight series and starting with the last game of the Marlins series, when they came from behind to win 9-6, they are 11-3.

It likely won't happen this way, but with 44 games remaining in the regular season, winning two of every three -- as they did on this homestand -- would give the Cubs 100 wins. (Not predicting that here -- I can see them going 25-19 for 96 wins, or maybe 26-18 for 97). In any case, once again the ballclub produced a team win, this time getting key hits from Ronny Cedeno (two-run double before getting thrown out trying to stretch it into a triple), outstanding defense (diving catches by Jim Edmonds and Kosuke Fukudome), and solid pitching from Ryan Dempster, who also made a couple of slick defensive plays. That's one thing we didn't know very well about Dempster before this year -- how well he plays his position in the field. When you're a closer, as Dempster has been the last three years, you don't get many fielding chances (example: in 2007, he had four putouts and seven assists in 66 games).

The inning where the Cubs blew the game open last night could have been even bigger. Not complaining here, mind you, but the Cubs scored five runs while having two runners thrown out at third base. The key play of the inning was Edmonds' grounder, which could have turned into an inning-ending DP; instead, going under Adam Kennedy's glove for an error, it opened up the floodgates for three more hits, capped by Cedeno's double.

Dempster's 13th win gave him the club lead and if Brandon Webb weren't having such a great year, might give him some Cy Young consideration (he might get that consideration anyway, particularly if the D'backs don't make the playoffs -- Dempster's 13 wins are tied for third in the league, his ERA is fifth, and he's seventh in K's). I was one of the skeptics about transitioning him to the rotation. But he worked very hard over the winter getting into shape and has been the Cubs' most consistent starter all year. He has gone at least six innings in 19 of his 23 starts and has had only one truly bad one -- against the White Sox at the Cell on June 27.

On a night that got Septemberish-cool before it was over (the wind blowing in knocked down several fly balls that otherwise might have made the seats), the lines to get into the bleachers stretched for blocks by the time the gates opened at 5:05; the bleachers were full by 6:00, although the announced attendance for the game, 41,268, was the smallest of the series. That brought the season total to 2,525,174, an average of 40,728, with nineteen dates remaining on the home schedule. If that average is maintained -- and I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be -- the team attendance record, set last year, will fall on September 19, with two games remaining.

We have all seen amazing baseball at home -- the win brought the home record to 45-17, tying Tampa Bay (whose 71st win, equalling the Cubs' total, set a franchise record yesterday, with 44 games to go) for the best home record in the majors. Like the Rays, the Cubs have had trouble winning on the road, so this upcoming road trip will be a good test for them. They swept the Braves at Wrigley Field in June, and Atlanta's been decimated by injuries and the trade of Mark Teixeira. I'm sure the Cubs won't take anyone for granted, but the Braves are beatable. A bigger test will be the trip to Florida next weekend; the Cubs have not won there since July 10, 2005. Lou and the staff can spend this off day deciding how to work the rotation around the two off days, today and next Monday. They also have to make a decision about Dome, who has virtually stopped hitting (.107, 3-for-28, in August so far). He's still playing excellent defense, has a good .369 OBA and his production is league-average with an OPS+ of 100, but Lou says he has to produce:

"We need him to start hitting," Cubs manager Lou Piniella said before Sunday night's 6-2 win against the Cardinals. "If not, I'm going to have to start looking for other options."

And that was said before last night's game in which he went 0-for-4.

The Cubs play 25 of the remaining 44 games on the road. They're going to have to play better there, especially with the Brewers finishing up a series with the horrid Nationals this afternoon and playing the NL West-trailing Padres at San Diego after that. Enjoy the off-day; you know the Cubs will.

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Dome

Continues to display his excellent defense while struggling at the plate. As I see it though, due to lack of hitting, he is actually falling way short of his hitting expectations given the paycheck he his receiving, and I do think Lou is right in being disappointed with his offense.

by adam316 on Aug 11, 2008 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

This isn’t about money, its about winning, and Lou has all the right in the world to sit Dome if feels fit.
Hey give him off a couple games this week. My only concern is Dome mental attitude, will that effect his approach?

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Aug 11, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I wonder what is going on in his mind.

I wonder if he has posted a diary entry lately…..Hey Dragonsfanatic!!......

by adam316 on Aug 11, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What?

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Aug 11, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I am suppose to say 1st

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Aug 11, 2008 8:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I am truly impressed...

with the way this team is playing. Especially with Dempster, I’ve been saying all year that his off-season prep work is producing spectacular results.

You ARE freaking out MAN!

by crw89 on Aug 11, 2008 8:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Cubs are good enough

to carry a light-to-no-hitting Dome, which is a nice position to be in, so if he is taking walks and not striking out the lineup is in fine shape. Don’t know if he is tiring or if his weaknesses are being exploited by NL pitchers, but some rest might just do him some good. This road trip should be a good barometer for the last 1-1/2 months of the season…

"Why does that man drop his club before he runs? I would bring it with me." ~Stewie Griffin

by Goodie1969 on Aug 11, 2008 8:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Dome turns it around

next year, if not this.

I think this has been a huge physical and cultural adjustment. Not trying to play the Dome apologist, but I’d think it’s tough being in a new country, playing day games, travel, etc.

And I agree – if the rest of the team is hitting, they probably can afford to subsidize Dome at the plate, as long as he hits SOME.

by DWChaney on Aug 11, 2008 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That last

AB last night he hit the ball really hard, but right at someone.

"I lof to hit de home ron!"

by Tekboy on Aug 11, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he got a key double

the other day, didn’t he?

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 11, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't this the PIE

argument?

Let’s see, $48MM for 4 years. Not Hitting. Great outfield “D”. Sorta fast.

And then there’s, $300K, AAA Iowa Cubs, an Option left. Hits only AAA pitching, Great Outfield “D”, very fast.

As I recall, quite a few of the Japanese imports improve after year 1. Indeed, the team’s other players are certainly covering for Dome’s prolonged hitting slump. But as you all say, how much longer can his insertion into the lineup be maintained if he don’t hit?

by The E-Man on Aug 11, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

problem is

pie hasnt shown he can hit mlb pitching at all. fukudome has hit mlb pitching but they have caught up to him at the moment.

from the mouth of Uecker:

"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."

by cubsluver22 on Aug 11, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pie never had a chance.

But with Dome, they’ll give him that chance.

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 11, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dome is not really a rookie

Maybe not hitting like he’s capable of but I don’t remember seeing any rookie mistakes…maybe something the club would also want to avoid THIS year.

Go ahead, Z me.

by tony412 on Aug 11, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dome is second on the team in strikeouts

(behind Geo). He is first on the team in walks, four ahead of Ramy.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Aug 11, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm starting to go through Cub's Withdrawal on off days...

It’s so boring when the boys have an off day. It’s not that I don’t have a life away from the Cubs, but those three hours of game time have been enjoyable, by and large, this season.

Great victory last night. They were able to capitalize on a Cardinal error to score some runs.

Bad karma for LaRussa and the Cards, if Carpenter is injured again. I hate to see anyone injured, especially Carpenter, He’s a great pitcher. Makes you wonder if they rushed him back.

Let’s go get ‘em in Atlanta and Miami. Hopefully Lou and the boys can find a way to find on the road – I’d love to see ‘em sweep Atlanta again and take two of three in Miami, but I think a .500 road trip would be a success. I’d like to see them put some more breathing room between them and the Brewers.

by DWChaney on Aug 11, 2008 8:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I NEED the off day... to re-coup.

Drinking and watching the Cubs every day is hard work:)

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Aug 11, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and after many glasses of work....I get paid.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 11, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've cleverly scheduled my biggest clients

Around the Cubs homestands. This has been the best summer ever.

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Aug 11, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the brain.

And the song they play is that guy with the messed up face going…

(Aw, man. TMBG reference. Good times.)

Before each game, please remember to feed the bats.

by Cool Hand on Aug 11, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

10 BCB points to you sir....

nice catch.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 11, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Woohoo!

I’m saving up my points for the five-inch screen portable color TV set.

Before each game, please remember to feed the bats.

by Cool Hand on Aug 11, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great win.

The unamed announcers made one good point in the last decade, when Cedeno hit the two run double, they the point good teams take advantage of mistakes ( kenendys error).
Even though Edmonds and Ronny got thrown out I like the hustle, Edmonds had no chance I agree, but Ronny on replay I thought Glaus never got him with the glove.
Dome does need to hit, 30 for his last 138, I believe was posted. He doesn’t even hit the ball hard anymore.
Lets get a 4-2 week.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Aug 11, 2008 8:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

edmonds

didn’t see that the 2nd baseman was actually backing up the short-stop and thought the ball would make it to CF. cedeno was pretty upset with the call, so you’re probably right that the tag wasn’t applied.

by cubbiefanTN on Aug 11, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

25-19 Rest of Way

I’m looking at 12-7 at home and 13-12 on the road the rest of the way. That would put the Cubs at 96-66. I don’t think the Brewers or Cardinals will finish with that good of a record.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 11, 2008 8:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, anyone else amused at ESPN's pregame

coverage? The ESPN Baseball Tonight “Brain Trust” of Kruk, Vina and Olney offered their pregame picks of player of the game:

Kruk: Ludwick (I think he picked)
Vina: DLee
Olney: Carpenter

Turns out none of them were right, which shouldn’t suprise me. I was just irritated at the lack of respect the Cubs got from them in their picks. You can’t go wrong with DLee, frankly, but how did Ryan Dempster not get a single pick from those three?

by DWChaney on Aug 11, 2008 8:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And once again

We had to see a tribute to the last century’s curses, black cats, and whatnot.

by adam316 on Aug 11, 2008 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

got to hear little of the 7th inning stretch

and most important of all GO CUBS GO…its hard to complain about ESPN if you get that….

I'm a reader not a poster, but I'm also a poster so don't get any ideas.

by cozmotaylor123 on Aug 11, 2008 8:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It used to be...

... that people would just stand and listen to “Go Cubs Go”. I hear a LOT more people singing along now.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 11, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool!

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 11, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh.

Why on Earth does he still have a broadcasting job?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 11, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The idiot even forgot the score in the top of the 7th

when Itzuris stole 2nd he was talking about how you still need to play the game even though you are down 5-1. Uh, Joe, the score was 6-0 then. He was corrected, but what a POS he is. for most of the game, I was in my garage listening to Pat & Ron on the computer.

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Aug 11, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

1 word

diversity

from the mouth of Uecker:

"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."

by cubsluver22 on Aug 11, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Singing Go Cubs Go

Wednesday and Friday I was in the upper deck with my dad. We stayed to let the crowds die down—HA. It seemed like everyone was staying and singing Go Cubs Go. It was truly awesome.

"I'm a Cubs fan. I'm very, very patient." -- from a Shoe cartoon.

by No Southern Belle on Aug 11, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Watching the replay of Friday's game on FSN

I could actually hear the the song on the Cards broadcast. That was pretty cool.

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by neverAcquiesce on Aug 11, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

EVERYONE sings it!

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Aug 11, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What did you think about

Peter Gammon’s (is that right?) little speech about new ownership making the Cubs a national brand like the Yankees and Red Sox, and would the Cubs still be “lovable” if they win a World Series?

by mlern on Aug 11, 2008 8:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

as long as we don't

become as bad as the Red Sox fans have, I don’t think anyone would have a problem with Cubs Fans.

by tal1286 on Aug 11, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's like the old adage:

Would winning the World Series change the Cubs and their fans? Possibly. But I’d give ANYTHING to find out.

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by neverAcquiesce on Aug 11, 2008 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't seem to have changed for the

Two Time Champion Boston Red Sox

Go ahead, Z me.

by tony412 on Aug 11, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ATTENTION

Introducing the one person in America who isn’t annoyed by Red Sox fans, Tony412.

by tal1286 on Aug 11, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Three

"Sometimes I feel like as a Cubs fan if I’m not worrying about something, I’m not doing it right." - HalfBlindCubbieGirl

by CaliCub on Aug 11, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lovable

I for one get sick of hearing the phrase “Lovable Losers”. I think that has more to do with the national media then it does Cubs fans. Winning the World Series would not cause them to lose thier fan base. I think the only way it might hurt the fan base is attracting new fans. Some people like rooting for the underdog, and who is a bigger underdog then a team that hasn’t won in, (how many years has it been? You’d think ESPN or Fox or someone would mention that.)

"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"

by MerlinDog on Aug 11, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cubs Interest Outside of Chicagoland?

(Playing stoopid, coincidentally not hard for me) I thought the Cubs just had fans between Waukegan and Kankakee. Maybe, this new ownership could have about 70 games on something called a superstation to make it a national brand. Nobody’s thought of that before. They might make fans more than 50 miles away from Chicago. I’ve been asleep since about 1983, so I don’t know what’s happened with Cubs fandom in the last 25 years.

The Cubs will still be lovable if they (well, you know). There’s already a whole lot of love of bandwagon love for the team with 44 regular season games left.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 11, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Cubs have one of the widest fanbases in the country thanks to WGN.

You regularly hear stories of people as far as California becoming Cubs fans due to all of their games being broadcast during the day.

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by neverAcquiesce on Aug 11, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are tons of Cub fans here in Phoenix

due to the thousands of transplanted people from the Midwest.

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Aug 11, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

From Nebraska

by JPetey on Aug 11, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Many more in New Orleans...

Best thing to watch during the summer days, Cubs baseball on WGN

by NOLA CUB on Aug 11, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lots of people...

here in DFW love the Cubs due to WGN. It was unreal when they came down for a series last year.

You ARE freaking out MAN!

by crw89 on Aug 11, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you not watch the

games at all? If you had you would have noticed that at every venue we play in there are always Cub fans. In some instances there are more Cub fans in attendance than the home team.

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 11, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I usually see the Cubs in Cincinnati

and the ballpark is usually at least half Cubs fans. On a side note it always bothers me when I watch a road game on TV and the announcers say something along the lines of “A lot people made the trip from Chicago to see the Cubs play”. I’ve talked to other Cubs fans at the games and a lot of them are from all over and it’s easier to see them on the road then to make a trip to Chicago.

"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"

by MerlinDog on Aug 11, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's the guy

with the Wisconsin CHI CUBS license plate. He’s been shown on TV a lot.

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by neverAcquiesce on Aug 11, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's a car...

... with Indiana plates that read “CUB CRZY” that is parked every day in the lot across the street from Murphy’s on Waveland.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 11, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've seen that guy too

My point is more that the networks don’t give the Cubs enough credit for being a national team. I use to travel a lot for my job and I’d run into Cub fan all over the place. (In all fairness however it was mostly in the Midwest and Phoniex where the Cubs have a hugh following)

"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"

by MerlinDog on Aug 11, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go to Cincy Every Other Year

Going to Cincy is cheaper from both a ticket price and hotel perspective. Tickets are a whole lot easier to get at GABP than at Wrigley. It’s nice to go to games where the majority of the fans are rooting for the Cubs. I was there last year when the Cubs clinched the division. I plan to go back next season.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 11, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Went to Milwaukee on the 1st

I’d say it was 70-30 Cubs fans. Of course a lot of the Brewers fans left kind of early.

by mlern on Aug 11, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought memphis was "playing stoopid"

with those comments, kind of mocking the Peter Gammons comments.

My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.

by JohnM on Aug 11, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

some's post

are always snarky

from the mouth of Uecker:

"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."

by cubsluver22 on Aug 11, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you directing that at me?

Find ONE snarky post from me in this thread. ONE.

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 11, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he meant me.

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 11, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah.

Sue, you snark, you! ;-)

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 11, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 11, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny guy!

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 11, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's me. :D

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 11, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes. the picture

that’s you. :)

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 11, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what happens

when you don’t sleep enough and try to read message board posts. I now facepalm myself.

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by neverAcquiesce on Aug 11, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We really should

have a sarcasm font to use.

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 11, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL, true

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 11, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cubs fans are hated already for the way

we take over ballparks, and we haven’t won anything yet. I can only imagine what’s ahead if we win. I have no problem with being a national ‘brand.’ I’ve always thought the Cubs were the sleeping giant of the NL, with an already-wide fan base, one as big as the Yankees.

There are just no championship flags to fly, as of yet. The crap we take in losing isn’t fun, (even from that OTHER smaller fan base in Chicago) but it will be very easy to swallow when the team wins consistently.

I see jealousy on other boards, all the time - example: When Brian Giles was in the waiver process here, on Gaslamp Ball - “It has to be the Cubs who claimed Giles. I hate them.”

What’s the reason for this ‘hatred?’ The Padres, in San Diego, consistently beat the Cubs like a drum, with 1984 as their ultimate year as success over the Cubs, which is ALWAYS a reminder, even 22 years later. That team went to another World Series, as we still wait. But this poster ‘hates’ the Cubs. There’s NO logic to this, outside of the reality that he sees Qualcomm Stadium/Petco Park loded with Cubs fans every game.

He goes on to say “they always get what they want.” Huh?
Is this because the Padres didn’t sign Fukudome? Is that all? Hatred over…THAT?
If we, as Cubs fans ‘always’ got what we want, we’d be 6-time World Champs by now. (One would suffice, right now.) No, it’s just jealousy. We have millions of passionate fans, that’s just the way it is. No amount of whining by others is going to change that fact, regardless if the team wins or loses.

But, the Cub fan is described as a ‘martyr,’ or a ‘know-nothing’ fan who comes to the park to drink beer, or one who’d vanish if the team won something. That’s especially popular on the South Side, where fans tend to go away if they lose. Then, they say ‘we are better fans, because we demand a better team, or we don’t go to games.’

And now, they see Jerry Reisndorf as a ‘great guy.’ The same guy who threatened to move to Florida in the 80s…....oh, wait —I’m off topic.

Anyway, the “Cubs hatred” is just jealousy - and, as I said - I’m looking forward to more of it when they win.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 11, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A question -

Do you think the bandwagon fans go away once the Cubs win? I think that they do, because the novelty will be gone. You’re right—the fan base will still be strong if that happens. After all, the bandwagon wasn’t rolling in the 1990’s, but the Cubs were still a huge road draw.

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 11, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bamdwagon fans like winners

Why would they go away? I see more Red Sox gear in SD than EVER, since the BoSox won. These people aren’t all Boston transplants.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 11, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know it's an odd proposition

But I think once the whole curse, drought, whatever you want to call it is over, the unique appeal is gone, too. Then, we’re left with fans who always followed the Cubs.

You make an interesting point about the Sox, though—they had a similar storyline.

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 11, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's really odd but

out here in Stillwater, Oklahoma, I have a Cubs license plate frame in back on my car. We don’t have a front plate, so I have a mirrored Cubs plate instead. I’d just started working at the university here, and I think it was within the first month or so I had some guy running up to me in the parking lot because he’d seen my Cubs plate and told me that there were about 6 Cubs fans on campus and they wanted to know who the new guy was. I’ve never heard a peep from them since, but I still have the Cubs paraphernalia on the car.

by DWChaney on Aug 11, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I get tired of hearing the “know-nothing’ fan who comes to the park to drink beer” because it just isn’t true. If you’ve even seen a game at Wrigley (in person or on TV) the crowd is really into the game. If there is two out and two strikes on a batter the crowd is on it feet and cheer at the top of thier lungs. If the “know-nothing’ fan who comes to the park to drink beer” agrument was true the crowd wouldn’t be reacting the the game the way they do.

"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"

by MerlinDog on Aug 11, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I notice that every time the Cubs have a contending team.

When the games are meaningful, people are into the games, bigtime. When they’re not, there’s more of the “party and drinking” crowd.

It strikes me that this is probably the case for virtually every sports team. The only difference with the Cubs is, that in the past they have filled the house even for bad teams. Will that continue AFTER a WS title, if they then descend to mediocrity?

Let’s hope we never have to find out. (By that I mean, let’s win and then remain perennial contenders.)

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 11, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know I had a lot more beer spilled

on me in the 70’s and 80’s than now

by mlern on Aug 11, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I spill a lot more now

But that’s because I was born in the 70’s . . . .

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 11, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember at a game I went to

in the early 80s – I think it was when the Dodgers were in town – I had bleacher seats (back when the tix were $4, IIRC… sigh) I taped the game (on our spanking new Betamax, thank you very much) just in case. My buddy and were in right center, about 6-7 rows back, and it seems to me one of the Dodgers hit a HR. That homer landed the row in front of us. I didn’t remember much about it at that time, I had a beer in my hands, tho. And I had a beer in my hands after the play in front of us. I went home and fast forwarded thru the tape, and saw the HR in front of us. Everyone around us is going for the ball, my friend is trying to grab the ball. Me? Well, I’m on video turning my back and cradling my beer like a wussy. We still laugh about that play. And I never transferred it t0o VHS, so it’s lost. Might still have the beta tape.

by DWChaney on Aug 11, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Non-Cub lesson I learned last night:

Adam Kennedy should not be a baseball player.

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by neverAcquiesce on Aug 11, 2008 9:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

God is On Our Side This Year >>>

1) Adam Kennedy – ball thru legs, woulda been dp, leads to 2/3 from Cards…
2) Rickie Weeks Crucial Error in Game 1 vs Milwaukee, woulda been DP, we beat Sabathia & sweep ‘em
3) This past Friday, any other Cubs Year, in 10th Inning, Blanco’s Line Drive woulda been CAUGHT by Shortstop, Doubled Runner of 2nd, then next guy pops up, and we lost in 11… but it went just over his glove…

—the curse looks like it’s lifting!!

by nervousCUBlover on Aug 11, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

or maybe

they’re playing really good baseball, and owe it all to… THEMSELVES.

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 11, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good teams make their own breaks

And take advantage of the breaks they are given.

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 11, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and the breaks they are given

are given away by the other team.

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 11, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, that's true

I don’t think there is divinity involved, though

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 11, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

God on our side

Oh my name it is nothin’
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I’s taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And that land that I live in
Has God on its side…

—-(the rest is OT :) )

My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.

by JohnM on Aug 11, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well done, sir.

I like Bob Dylan too, but I also think that we have something special on our side this year, doncha know? :-)

by zevkalman on Aug 11, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sort of works...

...if you ignore the rest of the song :)

good song though… jonah matranga/onelinedrawing does a killer a capella cover of it… i think its available on itunes

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by bobby h on Aug 11, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like the fragment on youtube

of a 1964 performance on the BBC.

My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.

by JohnM on Aug 11, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh...Kennedy's a better ballplayer than DeRo

so sayeth the Genius himself, Tony LaRussa. That’s why the Cards didn’t go after DeRo as a FA.

Do you think the Genius would like a mulligan?

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Aug 11, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was going to Post

in Not Bruce Froemming’s “WHAT IS YOUR RECORD” post, but its gone.

I held off until this week, as I am a bit superstitious.

However – as of last night’s game, I am 14-1, amazingly enough.

The only loss: Shawn Estes comes back to haunt the Cubs with a crap Padres team. He dazzled our hitters that night.

by The E-Man on Aug 11, 2008 9:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh -

ALL home games.

by The E-Man on Aug 11, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Game

The bleachers were certaintly filled to capacity. Many of the Cards fans that don’t know they have to be there at the crack of dawn to get a seat were the ones left standing. And it was very chilly. Ofcourse, much more manageable when the Cubs are winning.

Loved to see the Cubs execute when TLR pulled the infield in on DLee. The defense was just awesome the whole game with the exception of the hot smash that just got by Rammy to let a run score. Another solid combo of Wood and Marmol to shut the door was great.

I saw a few BCB shirts which was pretty cool. Speaking of shirts, A shirt vendor (wearing a Sux hat) was selling red tshirts saying “Friends dont let friends be Cubs fans”. Glad to see I didnt see him sell a single shirt while I waited in line for the bleachers for a little over an hour. I did see many Cards fans with Championship tshirts, but they have the right to wear those, and it’s a lot classier than the one’s this guy was selling.

Go ahead, Z me.

by tony412 on Aug 11, 2008 9:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Joe Morgan -

Was on his game last night!

anyone catch the 7th inning comment when the Cubs were winning 6-0, and Joe was talking about the Cardinals hitting a grand slam – you know because grand slams are such a common occurance.

Idiot.

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Aug 11, 2008 9:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The funniest part was when he said something like, “You know, if the Cardinals get a run, now they can tie the game with a grand slam, because they’d have—oh, wait, that’d be five runs. Well, they’d be back in the game.”

Nice.

by jdb-44 on Aug 11, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was with only 1 guy on too. last time I checked the bases need to be loaded for a GS.

Also, He trying to justify Izturis stealing being 6 runs down, as a good thing was Hilarious too.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Aug 11, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you hear when Joe Morgan said

“In order for Carpenter to stay healthy, he needs to stay away from injuries”

Just kidding, I just made that up.

by daeviant on Aug 11, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would have believed you.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 11, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

me too

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 11, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

me three...

sounds like a legit Joe Morgan quote…

You ARE freaking out MAN!

by crw89 on Aug 11, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I need to do

I list a bunch of ridiculous Joe Morgan quotes and stick a fake one in the middle, and you have to guess which one the fake one is. Or maybe the other way around. It would make for a fun game.

by daeviant on Aug 11, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, I like this idea!

If you can think of a quiz like this, make a FanPost!

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 11, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Morgan lives

In a different math-time-space continuum. There are five bases in his game.

by lamentir on Aug 11, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like this one, for example.

LOL. Only FIVE bases?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 11, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Morgan was in rare form last night

How much time did he spend talking about all the ways the Cardinals could beat the Cubs last night. I wish he’d spend as much time offering intelligent, insightful commentary about – you know – what was happening on the field.

by DWChaney on Aug 11, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least he didn't drone on about Bank's Basket.

I wonder if our emails did what we wanted, get him to stop making up that lie. Unfortunately, he will never retract his comments, but not hearing them is a start.

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by BigJohnAZ on Aug 11, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I noticed nothing

was said about the basket too. Obviously our emails worked.

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 11, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was there a purpose to this comment?

Maybe she was kidding, maybe not. Maybe they had an effect, maybe they didn’t.

I notice you come here mainly to slam others. If you have something to add to the discussion, feel free. Otherwise … don’t.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 11, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I notice

You post this to me often, and if you go back, I have responded over and over. I don’t know why you have this obsession…you even responded to one of my posts above, and it was not a slam. All I do is comment on various topics. Are there rules to what we can/cannot comment on? I’m sorry, I’m just not someone who goes “First!” or things of that nature.

by lamentir on Aug 11, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, there aren't any rules.

But I rarely see you here, contributing to the conversation, other than these sort of one-liners. The other post you made in this thread, that I replied to, seems the exception in your case, rather than the rule.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 11, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure what to do then

I’m only going to comment when I see fit.

Plus, some of my comments were deleted in some of these threads, I think, so that’s why you may not see a ton of contribution. Can’t help that.

by lamentir on Aug 11, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

far as I know

only Al can delete threads. Regular users can’t.

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 11, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rigzactly

As Scooby would say

by lamentir on Aug 11, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait a minute...

Are you insinuating the guy that wrote “First” at the top of this thread is somehow a bad poster? I happen to think he contributes plenty to the conversations and I really resent your insinuation. Also in case you didn’t know, this is Al’s site, so you might want to make sure you are respectful to him.

by adam316 on Aug 11, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I'm not

But I’m saying there are people from all walks of life on here. Everything shouldn’t really matter, like you really resenting…take a step back, no one’s calling anyone anything.

And please tell me how I was disrespectful. I fail to see that in the conversation we were having, that you decided to step in on.

by lamentir on Aug 11, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joking

Settle down. I honestly don’t care what you say or do, we will all remember you by what you write though, but that’s all up to you.

by adam316 on Aug 11, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No I wasn't kidding.

After the last game Morgan covered the Cubs many of us on here sent ESPN emails complaining about his lies about the basket. I can’t remember who it was in here who said he has a friend who ties to ESPN said our voices were heard loud and clear. Morgan mentoned Ernie Banks (and the basket blvd. the last game) in every Cubs game he’s done this year. He didn’t mention it last night at all.

If you disagree that’s fine.

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 11, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

While I firmly agree with you

to be fair, there were no basket homeruns last night, or any for that matter. Maybe he was busting to spout his catchphrase but knew he needed some kind of impetus.

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by neverAcquiesce on Aug 11, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my 3 baseball wants this year

1)we stay healthy
2)we win it all
3) espn replaces these 2 with someone even if its karros or sutcliffe. matter of fact I would be happy if they just repalced morgan.

from the mouth of Uecker:

"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."

by cubsluver22 on Aug 11, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK.

Sounds good.

by lamentir on Aug 11, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Ryno talk?

The Cubs should do a Ryno tshirt giveaway everytime ESPN does Sunday night baseball here.

Go ahead, Z me.

by tony412 on Aug 11, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't be surprised

if, when Kennedy made the error at second in the sixth, Morgan was cursing his luck that it wasn’t a Cub second baseman.

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by neverAcquiesce on Aug 11, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To give Morgan his due

He did say the Cubs are the best team in the NL – at least I think it was Morgan who said that.

"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979

by danimal15 on Aug 11, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He did but that is Obvious...

I have a ton of Brewer fans who tell me the same thing. Even though it pains them to.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Aug 11, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeabut...

He went into say basically being the best team doesnt mean world series. Lets not give him too much credit.

Obviously that is a given, but he was very very quick to throw that in there after he said we were the best team in the NL.

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Aug 11, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, he pretty much refused to say that the cubs had any chance beyond making the playoffs. miller kept asking him if he thought the cubs could make the world series and morgan kept saying “well, they will probably make the playoffs but after that its a whole new season”.

"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella

by anormal on Aug 11, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They need to schedule a Ryno appreciation day

Have him throw out the first pitch… sing the 7th inning stretch, and giveaway Ryno t-shirts… all while Joe Morgan is looking on from the booth. They can do this 5 times a year, I’d be fine with it.

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Aug 11, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This would be the greatest thing ever....

for a Sunday Night ESPN games. Morgan would spend the entire game choking on his own rage.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 11, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No... he would all of the sudden have a "family emergency"

to attend and miss the game. A victory for all of us!

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Aug 11, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then they have to "surprise" Joe with it.

Don’t announce it until after he’s actually in the ballpark.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 11, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

or just the announcement of it (no warning)

...make the announcement before a Sunday night game that XXX (date in the future) will be Ryno Day. I think they did something similar with Santo and I recall watching the game when they announced that (whatever day later in the year) would be Ron Santo Day.

by JCD on Aug 11, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be

too funny.

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 11, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

omg

espn isnt this dumb. they step on each other the entire broadcast. my entire baseball life Ive never ever heard a team this bad. it’s like they read the paper 5 mins b4 broadcast and go live. then try to fill everyone in on the weeks occurrences—only to be wrong about 98% of the time.

from the mouth of Uecker:

"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."

by cubsluver22 on Aug 11, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Love You, Bullpen!!!

just thought I’d say that! Me & The Cubs Bullpen are BFF. I Heart The Cubs Bullpen!!!

Seriously, we have Wood coming off the DL looking great; Marmol looking totally over his funk, and Samardzija coming out of nowhere to be really, pretty, very good. Sprinkle in small doses of Cotts/Marshall/Gaudin/Howry (not a bad 4-5-6-7 in the bullpen) and we have the makings of a championship!

by nervousCUBlover on Aug 11, 2008 9:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm convinced

it is pre-recorded and we’d get the same commentary watching live or playing the video game on my playstation.

Go ahead, Z me.

by tony412 on Aug 11, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember back in 1998

I was living in San Diego, and the bandwagon for the Padres was enormous—radios were mentioning it every half second, and my middle school teachers were always bringing up the team. But still, I don’t think it was anything close to this hype with the Cubs this year. I’m in Pennsylvania, a full 8 hours of driving away from the City, and I feel like I’m right there.

I remember when they won their 93rd game of the year, and I was at Qualcomm Stadium with my parents. They had the news on the jumbo tron that it was the most wins by any Padre team in history. I remember thinking “Where the hell is everybody? Why isn’t this stadium packed?” I always thought it was weird that the whole city was making a big buzz out of the team, but there was less than a quarter actually filling up the Q.

But I digress, Go Cubs

"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk

by NittanyCub on Aug 11, 2008 9:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I Laughed When

on ESPN Miller started off the interview with Tony La Russa saying something about a former player (Jim Edmonds) just robbed his team of a base hit that would have scored runs, and Tony didn’t even acknowlege Edmonds made a good play, he just said the hitter “deserved better than that.” Too funny. Clearly there is bad blood between La Russa and Edmonds.

by adam316 on Aug 11, 2008 10:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

did you notice

Larussa rolled his eyes as the camera cut back to the field? I swear I saw him roll his eyes at the questions he was asked as he removed the headset.

by DWChaney on Aug 11, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was great.

But, in Tony’s defense, I would’ve deflected it, too.

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by neverAcquiesce on Aug 11, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They just need to let this Story Die

This tabloid esq fued between Tony and Jimmy is getting out of hand. TLR has done this crap before…he likes to get inside peoples head.

For some STL perspective on the latest flap…see link. For what is worth, the dude who wrote the article is in business with Edmonds. Edmonds is part owner of the website.

http://www.insidestl.com/TimMcKernan/tabid/61/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/767/The-Edmonds-Quote.aspx

"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey

by TheRiot Police on Aug 11, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a team win

and those are the best kind. I hope to see many more of them.

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 11, 2008 10:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Check Your Street Signs --

Just wish someone had told Miller that the view from right field was from Sheffield—not Waveland. He said Waveland at least three times last night as the ESPN camera showed us the views from a Sheffield rooftop.

by ceegeewow on Aug 11, 2008 10:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I hate when...

... the national media does that trying to show their “inside knowledge” and just come across looking stupid.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 11, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

a good national media guy

would know the difference or not say the street name, but i think we all know that miller is not one… the PTI conversation he tried to start went right over Morgan’s head… pretty funny

by cubbiefanTN on Aug 11, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I caught that too...

Morgan probably told him it was Michigan Ave or Rush St, only confusing him further…

You ARE freaking out MAN!

by crw89 on Aug 11, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I enjoyed Michael Wilbon 1/2 inning w/ Ron and Pat

That is one of the first time all seasons I can say that.

"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.

by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 11, 2008 10:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Although I noticed in the Tribune this morning that they were saying it might have sent Wilbon across the ‘imaginary line’ that separates reporters and the teams they are fans of…

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-080810-koskue-fukudome-chicago-cubs,1,1861608.story

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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 11, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But Peter Gammons

doesn’t sit in the booth at Fenway with the NESN team talking about how big of a Red Six fan he is….I don’t really see the conflict because Wilbon was not reporting last night, he was there to support the Cubs in the capacity of throwing out the first pitch and singing the 7th inning stretch…If Gammons was doing that AT a Sox game AT Fenway on a Sunday night while he was ALSO reporting, there would be a conflict…

Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 11, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right...

and it was no secret that Wilbon is a Cubs fan. He shows his love on PTI quite a bit.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Aug 11, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see a conflict, either

PTI isn’t supposed to be hard-hitting journalism. If the producers and the network have no issue with it, it’s ok. Like Fishbone says, it’s not like his being a Cubs fan is a secret—there’s no agenda being promoted.

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 11, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right.

I disagree with the Tribune’s comment, FWIW…I graduated with a Broadcast Journalism degree so I enjoy these types of debates….

Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 11, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's a terrible conflict of interest

Don’t forget Wilbon also writes for the Washington Post.

FWIW, I have a degree in journalism as well.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 11, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's a columnist for them

I don’t think he writes as much as he did before “PTI,” but he still does to some extent.

If Wilbon goes out to Wrigley with a Cubs jersey, sings “TMOTTBG” and professes publicly his undying love for the Cubs, how is he supposed to write a column about them if they make it to the playoffs? Everybody from the other side is going to think he’s hopelessly biased.

Now, maybe he can separate his Cubs fandom from his professional life. But after going on record so publicly with his Cubs love, a lot of people are going to perceive him as being biased. In journalism, perception is as good as reality.

If Gammons did the same thing with the Red Sox, I’d say it about him, too … I think he still writes for the Boston Globe.

Things in the newspaper business are tough enough these days without causing more readers to debate your credibility.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 11, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's your take on

Mike Royko or Paul Kass, writing about their love of the Cubs/Sox on Page 2 of the Trib?

Honest question—isn’t it more acceptable for columnists to show opinions than reporters?

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 11, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not nearly as bad

because they don’t write about sports on a regular basis.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 11, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yesterday isn't the 1st time Wilbon has

came out of the Cubs closet though. He’s been a supporter for years.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Aug 11, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but ...

doing it on ESPN in prime time doesn’t exactly help your cause.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 11, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He makes statements

about how good he thinks the Cubs are basically once a week if not more on PTI. What’s the difference?

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Aug 11, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't you say that about any writer?

All writers (artists, for that matter) take their opinons, biases, and life into their work.

To insenuate that Wilbon can’t write a neutral piece on the Cubs (if he, in fact, had to) just because he’s a fan is ludicrous.

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by neverAcquiesce on Aug 11, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

but you should try as hard as possible to mitigate those biases, either consciously or unconsciously.

I’m not saying Wilbon can’t write a neutral piece on the Cubs. I’m sure he can. But with him so publicly being a Cubs fan, there are a lot of people who will think he’s hopelessly in the tank for the Cubs, even when he isn’t.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 11, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone has biases.

I don’t think that disclosing them makes them worse; I think it really makes them better, because the reader knows up front.

by cwyers on Aug 11, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's like conflict of interest

most times the disclosure is more important than the conflict itself.

by Emelie on Aug 11, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he is a columnist, no harm...

If he is a beat reporter for the Nats, might be a different story. Even then, I’m not sure what the harm is. I assume that every Sportscenter anchor and sportswriter grew up loving sports and ‘their’ teams. If a Sportscenter anchor can talk about his love for a certain team or his alma mater without being ridiculously over the top, it’s no big deal to me. Where would Jay Bilas be without talking about his time in the ACC? Should Steve Stone be held out of any game the Sox play the Orioles? If Kasper grew up listening to Tiger games and Ernie Harwell, can he fairly call a game vs the Tigers?

BTW the difference between Wilbon and Gammons, to me, is that Gammons is a reporter, known for getting ‘inside info’ (emphasizing quotes there) and reporting what’s going on. Wilbon is paid for his opinions. He is a Northwestern guy too and talks about that frequently. Do I think his opinions about college football are clouded by his purple background? No.

Bottom line, to me, is that one who is paid for their opinion, has their credibility always on the line. If he was to write a column which was so out-of-whack wrong and blinded by Cubdom, people wouldn’t take him seriously or care about his opinion any more. I find him to be a smart guy and see that he is able to balance his known allegiances with his responsibility are a writer to keep everyone’s interest.

None of the above explains Jay Idiotti, who simply stirs the pot by not pledging allegiance to anyone and just blasting away at everyone else’s favorites. Every group’s got one of those a-holes.

by JCD on Aug 11, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

FWIW

Journalism degree here too…but huge sports fan…way before I started considering writing about it as a job.

by JCD on Aug 11, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good points

but it’s not enough to just say you aren’t biased. Even the appearance of bias is a bad thing. You can have an opinion if you’re a columnist, of course. But being so blatant and flamboyant in exposing your bias, as Wilbon did here, is unacceptable.

And you can’t compare people like Len Kasper to Wilbon. First of all, Kasper isn’t a journalist. Secondly, he works for the Cubs (or at least is approved by them). So he’s biased from the get-go, but that’s expected.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 11, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Utopian view of 'bias'

In the perfect world that doesn’t allow for a writer’s love for his hometown team, being paid by a team wouldn’t create a bias either. From what I know of Kasper, he would say that he is paid to describe the action. I doubt he would say he was required to do it from the ‘Cub’s Perspective’. Of course everyone has biases. But most people understand where the line is. And when that line is crossed by someone, to borrow a phrase, we know it when we see it.

Tangentially, the reason so many have a hard time recognizing internet writers as journalists is that the anonymity of the medium allows people to spout anything with no repercussions on their own integrity. Journailsts (reporters, columnists, broadcasters included) have bylines for a reason. If Wilbon writes something outrageously dumb or flamboyant or ill-advised, his name and reputation are out there for the dismantling. Look at what happened with Whitlock or even the guy who recently wrote the piece about Erin Andrews. So many have a dislike for Hawk because he’s such a homer and everyone knows it when they see it. The last week here have seen a number of posts talking about Len and Bob’s ability to give credit and blame where it is due. This, to me, is good journalism.

Back to Wilbon, what he does on his own time is his own business. Even at his show on ESPN, he’s there to point-counter with another guy about their opinions and bicker back and forth like the two old muppets. But, if he writes something for the Post that is over-the-top Cubby Feely (to coin a phrase), he’ll be torn to shreds. Every viewer of the show and many of his readers know that he is from Chicago, went to NU and is a Die Hard Cubs fan. Yet nobody complains about his interests because he is smart enough to never come close to crossing that line of mixing business with pleasure, if you will.

I’d be interested to go back through an archive of Wilbon’s stuff to see how many mentions he has of the Cubs and if any could be read as unfairly slanted. I’d guess none because he is smart enough to know where his bread is buttered when it comes to his job.

Is is fair to ask if Cuban has a conflict as a self-proclaimed Pirate fan? Does anyone think he will demand we play the I-Cubs then the Bucs come to town? Of course not.

by JCD on Aug 11, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No...

I never said that. You and I are actually in agreeance- I did not think last night was a conflict of interests because Wilbon was not writing for the Post or at Wrigley on assignment last night. I also simply mentioned that I enjoyed these types of debates, I am sorry if you took that to mean that I was implying I am “more qualified” to “comment.” Although it befuddles me how you would get to that conclusion…My above example (of Gammons) was an example of what I WOULD consider a conflict of interests, relating to his relationship with the Red Sox and ESPN…

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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 11, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I didn't take that to mean you were implying anything

I was offering my opinion that you were more qualified.

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 11, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mean, being a broadcast major...

...it MAY in fact make me less qualified haha…We are a little less “by the book” than the newspaper guys…

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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 11, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm assuming, though

That you were required to take some journalism ethics course . . . I haven’t had any training like that.

Granted, there will be differing opinions, like notbruce’s, but you’ve both had training that would influence those opinions, so it’s interesting to hear what you both think.

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 11, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely.

I think that because of what Wilbon does- he will always come under criticism for drawing lines in the sand and taking sides, just as any journalist does. Last night, as a guest of Wrigley, he was not there representing the Washington Post or ESPN in the capacity that he was reporting for them. As an employee of the news outlets, he still “represents” them, but I think what he did was fine. He was in Wrigley, in his hometown, cheering on the Cubs. He didn’t use his ESPN or Post credentials to gain access, he was invited. And that is why I think it was ok. If he was in fact, on assignment, by the Post for example, to write a column on the Cubs, I think it would have been inappropriate for him to throw out the first pitch and to sing TMOTTBG. But he wasn’t…That’s just my opinion.

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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 11, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So what, though

He still works for the Post, and a lot of people know that. If he quit the Post and was just an ESPN talking head, I guess that would be different.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 11, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But just because he works for the Post

as a columnist (which is different from being a reporter, because you are supposed to infuse OPINIONS into your work) do you really hold him to the same straight line as you do reporters? I say no. Especially when he is on his own time. I really think it would be a different story if he was there FOR the Post…

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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 11, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Having opinions also involves

having an open mind and a willingness to change your opinion if conditions merit. Even though Wilbon is a columnist, the perception out there now might be he’ll never say a bad word about the Cubs, even if they deserve it.

Hey, I love the Cubs (obviously). But when I go to a game, I don’t get on the PA and advertise who I am and where I work. I also don’t cover major-league baseball.

And saying it would be different if he were there for the Post is a red herring. Face it, in journalism, you’re always on the clock, and you’re always identified with your job.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 11, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can agree with that, but...

...do you think it is just because the Cubs are so high-profile? What if Mike Downey was a Marlins fan, and he went down there to be in the booth for an inning for a game and to throw out the first pitch? Would it be the same type of controversey?

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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 11, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it would be just as bad

The popularity of the team is irrelevant.

This whole thing just sets Wilbon up for a potential future conflict of interest. If he has to write anything about the Cubs down the road, particularly if it’s bad news, his credibility is going to be called into question.

And with your hypothetical about Downey, it would be the same thing, IMHO.

Jeez, I feel like I’m back in my journalism ethics class … :)

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 11, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha me too...

I think I didn’t mind it, because I can’t really see Wilbon having to write anything about the Cubs down the line- unless of course, it is an op-ed piece or something along those lines. Ha yeah these are things I haven’t thought about in a while…I agree with you though, I guess I would have a bigger problem with it if I WASN’T a Cubs fan…

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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 11, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he won't

write anything about the Cubs down the road, but you never know.

Enjoyed the conversation. It isn’t often around here we get to talk about stuff that isn’t strictly bat-and-ball. (Not that there’s anything wrong with that.)

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 11, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I enjoyed the discussions, too

At least when work didn’t get in the way. . .

Pretty interesting to hear the differing points of view.

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 11, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hypothetical

What would be something that he would write which would be a red flag and call his objectivity into question?

Be realistic now…(I can think of some, but I can’t imagine anyone dumb enough to do most of them)

by JCD on Aug 11, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry...

...but when someone says “broadcast journalism,” I immediately think of Bobby “The Brain” Heenan.

Before each game, please remember to feed the bats.

by Cool Hand on Aug 11, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and

its only ok to have a conflict if your a cubs fan. totally wrong to do it if your not. lmao

from the mouth of Uecker:

"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."

by cubsluver22 on Aug 11, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obligatory Repost.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 11, 2008 10:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thats awesome.

absolutely hilarious!

by NOLA CUB on Aug 11, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One must ask....

What is in Edition’s 1 & 2?

Installing outfield baskets?

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Aug 11, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And creating fake names for them!

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 11, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pure Win!

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on Aug 11, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

best pic of the century

n/t

from the mouth of Uecker:

"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."

by cubsluver22 on Aug 11, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Surprised Morgan didn't call it "Banks Boulevard"...

...

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Aug 11, 2008 11:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sheffield was really called Heffield,

but after Sosa came, the community decided to honor him and rename Heffield with a starting “S.” That’s how much Cubs fans fell in love with Sammy Sosa.

-Morgan

"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk

by NittanyCub on Aug 11, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pitch count

Did anyone catch when Morgan was talking about how many pitches Dempster had thrown early? He said something about how Dempster did have two strikeouts which would have been at least 3 pitches each time…..

by mlern on Aug 11, 2008 11:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yea i caught that...

but in all actuality i think it was 4 more strikeouts – but not 100%

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Aug 11, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slow thread

thanks to the weekend hangover so I swung over to the redbirds recap. Some interesting discussion on the series, their future, Carpenters injury, Edmonds and Izturis (haha).

Go ahead, Z me.

by tony412 on Aug 11, 2008 11:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They suggest

that fans at Wrigley thought the Carp injury was not actually an injury, but simply a way to give the bullpen more time? I for myself thought that Carp was just on pitch count…and maybe they freaked about him tweaking something and were just being overly-cautious, which they should be, IMO.

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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 11, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't put it past TLR

but I didnt complain simply because I know Lou loves to crawl to the mound sometimes. Also, Carp had done pretty well up to that point so I figured getting to their pen was a good thing.

Go ahead, Z me.

by tony412 on Aug 11, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right.

I mean, if your ace, who is on the hook for 3 more years at 15 mil per, says that he has the SLIGHTEST discomfort or anything in his 3rd start back from injury, you pull him right away….right?

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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 11, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guys,

Carpenter waved at Molina to come to the mound after that pitch. Something happened, and Carpenter knew it instantly. I hope he’s OK.

Hey, EVERY pitch kerry Wood throws could be his last one.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 11, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, I hope he is ok too...

...Just saying, that a guy who hadn’t been on the DL recently and hadn’t had surgery lately might have stayed in that game…

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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 11, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I personally...

always like Cardinal fans, i thought they were knowledgeable and fun to discuss baseball with (mainly because of there solid history), but these past few years, they have become very similar to Brewer fans and Sox fans. Very violent and hateful to us. And reading some of the posts over there i am believing it more and more, and the only conclusion that i come up with is that they are threatened by us becoming a winning team and our yearly tradition if next year in the year, might actually be sooner than later.

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Aug 11, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always get the feeling they resent us for our continued devotion.

They know as well as we do about our playoff futility, yet we continue to cheer and hope, and I truly believe that drives them crazy.

make/art

by neverAcquiesce on Aug 11, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since I live in STL

I deal with a lot of this animosity on a daily basis. I don’t quite understand it but I think a lot of stems from jealousy. Think of it in HS terms…we are the rich preppie popular dude and they are the nerdy book worm dude. They are extremely successful but nobody notices outside of their immediate family. We, on the other hand, have not been successful but are more popular than they could ever dream to be…it just ticks them off to no end.

I just have to ignore them…not worth getting bent out of shape on a message board or at a game over some ignorant fan who says Cubs sucks or F the Cubs or Flubs or Completely Useless etc…. You just can’t teach class.

The funny thing about this if you put this in Hockey terms….Their Hockey Team has been just as futile as the Cubs..always the bridesmaid, never the bride.

"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey

by TheRiot Police on Aug 11, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem with the hockey analogy

is we’re pretty much in the same boat with them: we all hate Detroit equally.

make/art

by neverAcquiesce on Aug 11, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a pretty good post

You’re right—the best bet is to ignore it. Which is why when someone posts a link to another board ripping on the Cubs or the Cubs fans, I’ll never follow it.

(I realize that’s not what Tony did above.)

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 11, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good post.

Definitely a good one. It is a shame, it really is. but you are totally right, you have to ignore them, you really do, but you have to becareful who you ignore, because like we all say there are good fans out there, and they are fun to talk to about baseball. Not saying you have to be best friends, but talking with them is educational (the good fans).

Love the hockey comment. It is kinda like Brewer fans hanging the 100 years over us…....If you never win – you really cannot comment on how long it has been since we did :)

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Aug 11, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I give that to the Brewers fans

Of course, their stock answer is usually the 1957 Milwaukee Braves. But then I remind them where the Braves play now.

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 11, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brewers come out of Cubs series playing the 3 last place teams

of Reds, Gnats and Friars. If we can hold our lead to 4-5 games or more while playing a hot Astros, then Cards and then lowly Braves, I think that will deflate them as I am sure they looked at the schedule and were expecting to make up ground on us during this stretch (or thought they would be ahead of us, that is, before the series in Milwaukee was played—too bad).

We both have a tough weekend (they have Dodgers while we play the hated Fish), but I am sure that the Suds expected to make up ground on us as they are beating up these last place teams.

Let’s have a good week on the road as time is on our side. Just keep winning series and put pressure on the teams behind us.

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Aug 11, 2008 12:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

14 series left. If they win them all, no one catches them. I realize that’s not likely, but the point is, the Cubs control their own destiny.

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 11, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's right.

1 series at a time…That’s all we can do…

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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 11, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps next season....

the rule committee could institute instant replay AND a rule allowing 2 games to be played at once….you know…to speed up the games and all.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 11, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Having split squads would mean

plenty of playing time for Cedeno, Pie, Hoff, etc., too.

My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.

by JohnM on Aug 11, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Say "Go Nats!" seven times, real fast

My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.

by JohnM on Aug 11, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow...that's nuts!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 11, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is there a GoNats game thread?

I see Corey Hart just hit a two run homer. The GoNats need our, ahem, support.

My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.

by JohnM on Aug 11, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brewers live and die by the Homer...

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Aug 11, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we're sort of discussing it

in the pictures thread.

I’m having a very hard time working up to caring about the game, tho.

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 11, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

D'Backs aquired Adam Dunn

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Aug 11, 2008 2:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

On this whole Joe Morgan thing...

Is he this against the Cubs or is he just totally incompetent? It takes a lot of work to get so many fact wrong on such a consistent basis. It’s like my Dad used to say “always tell the truth because it is too hard to keep track of all the lies.” On the other hand, is he so unprepared, ignorant, and just plain bad that it is so obvious? I have trouble believing that someone can dislike a team/city so much that he would go out of his way ALL THE TIME to heap scorn during the broadcast. But can the ESPN programming people be so blind to his all around idiocy and how he is perceived?

Football and basketball are just things to do between baseball seasons.

by MetsSuck on Aug 11, 2008 2:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You asked...

... “Is he this against the Cubs or is he just totally incompetent?”

The answer is, both.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 11, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah

it doesn’t take a lot of work to get so much wrong. Quite the contrary. It takes very little effort to get so much wrong. Watching Joe Morgan make up stuff out of a hat makes me think I’m more qualified to offer commentary during a ball game.

Seriously, if you do no research, no homework, you, too, could be Joe Morgan, ESPN analyst.

by DWChaney on Aug 11, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Someone Should Call Out Joe In Public

“So, Joe, why all the resentment against Ryne Sandberg and the Cubs? Why do you hate them so much?” I would truly love to hear his answer.

"Sometimes I feel like as a Cubs fan if I’m not worrying about something, I’m not doing it right." - HalfBlindCubbieGirl

by CaliCub on Aug 11, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shanon Stewart was released by the jays!

they cut reed to make room for this guy. Thanks jays! Reed is a fan favorite here.

by xene on Aug 11, 2008 2:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

TONIGHT:

The Calender says its and off day but the Cubs will still play….

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Tonight at 7:05 pm

"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager

"Soriano deep to left!! THAT BALL'S GOOOONE!! A HOME RUN!! OHHH BABY!!" -Len Kasper 8/06/08

SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .296 21 HR 56 RBI

by Galvan316 on Aug 11, 2008 4:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Movie time redux.

Got my replacement disc of This Old Cub in, and watched the last ten minutes. It started to get choppy at the end again, but it cleared up. I’m watching the special features now. There’s some good stuff—right now I’m watching the Santo interviews from the 60’s and 70’s.

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by Cool Hand on Aug 11, 2008 5:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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