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Dunn traded to Diamondbacks

From the hot papers:

 John Gambadoro of Arizona radio station KTAR 620 reports that the Diamondbacks have acquired outfielder Adam Dunn for three prospects, including Dallas Buck.

I don't really care much about Dunn-- considering he's a horrid outfielder and is 2nd in strikeouts behind Howard-- but this move is pretty interesting for the Diamondbacks. It should definitely give them a boost in offensive production. And Dallas Buck seems to be a decent righty: 23 year-old with a 0.00 ERA in 5 IP in A+ ball.

EDIT: It's not confirmed yet, so this is still all speculation(Notice the ? in the title)

EDIT mania: ESPN confirmed it. Well hot damn. Goodbye, question mark.

EDIT bonanza: Dunn is 1st in HR and 5th in strikeouts. And has a measley .233 BA. Jeeze louize, I've never heard of a player having such a low batting average as Dunn's but yet has the most HR in a league before.

 

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First (I sorry I just to say it once)

I wonder, (if true) is this in response to the Manny trade?

"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"

by MerlinDog on Aug 11, 2008 1:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I really should have proofread that

I was just in a hurry. It should read (I’m sorry I just wanted to say it once)

"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"

by MerlinDog on Aug 11, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One chance to make a first impression

and you tripped over the keys on your keyboard. :)

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Aug 11, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know

I hold my head in shame and ask forgiveness. I guess it’s Karma’s way of punishing me for being annoying and saying “First”

"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"

by MerlinDog on Aug 11, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

JP Riccardi disapproves of this move...

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Aug 11, 2008 1:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Are you SURE ?

I heard they talked for two hours about it and J.P said it was a good move but then the person
on the other end of the call only grunted. Could be Adam or maybe not.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Aug 11, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dunn Hot...

Arizona have sun. Dunn angry.

"...the internet is not something you just dump something on. It's not a truck. It's a series of tubes." - Sen. Ted Stevens

by bobby h on Aug 11, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm surprised that he cleared waivers...

...or if the d’backs grabbed him that he made it that far. though i suppose there hasn’t been that much interest in him over the past few deadlines…. probably because he doesn’t like baseball that much…

"...the internet is not something you just dump something on. It's not a truck. It's a series of tubes." - Sen. Ted Stevens

by bobby h on Aug 11, 2008 1:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess he's just an employee.

"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk

by NittanyCub on Aug 11, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He didn't.

The D-Backs won the waiver claim and completed the trade just as the window was expiring.

by Wreckard on Aug 11, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really a surprise

The only team with a worse record than the D-Backs who is in the playoff hunt are the Dodgers. He’s obviously the last thing they need. The Dodgers might have considered claiming him to block him from the D-Backs but then the Reds might have said, ok you take him and the salary.

by rlpete on Aug 11, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where were the DBacks on waiver priority?

Anyone know?

Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 11, 2008 1:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

IIRC...

goes based on standing from last year… NL teams by order of record (since Dunn was in NL) followed by AL teams in order of record…

"...the internet is not something you just dump something on. It's not a truck. It's a series of tubes." - Sen. Ted Stevens

by bobby h on Aug 11, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am pretty sure it goes from CURRENT standings

Meaning for instance Tampa would be 2nd to last to Angels in the AL.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Aug 11, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that sounds right...

...i was just shooting from memory and i knew it was as end-of-last-season or current…just couldn’t remember which

"...the internet is not something you just dump something on. It's not a truck. It's a series of tubes." - Sen. Ted Stevens

by bobby h on Aug 11, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

FYI, here are the facts of this deal...

... from MLB.com:

PHOENIX—The D-backs acquired outfielder Adam Dunn from the Reds on Tuesday in exchange for Minor League pitcher Dallas Buck and two players to be named later.

Arizona claimed Dunn on waivers and was able to work out a trade with Cincinnati.

So, Dunn did NOT clear waivers at all—Arizona claimed him. When that happens the Reds had a couple of choices:

1) let the D’backs have him on waivers

2) work out a deal

They chose #2.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 11, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't they

also have pulled him back from waivers?

"Dad gum right this games gonna be played under protest. . . I guarantee this is gonna be one protest that's upheld." --Hawk Harrelson, 6/24/07

by RynoHoF on Aug 11, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

That’s also an option. Guess they wanted to get rid of him.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 11, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Reds are a train wreck.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 11, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hire Joe Morgan

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Aug 11, 2008 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Aug 11, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

whats bad is AL

the reds have some awesome awesome core of players to the tune of phillips,votto,encarnicion,keppinger, volquez etc.

that ownership should be ashamed of themselves.

from the mouth of Uecker:

"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."

by cubsluver22 on Aug 11, 2008 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of the players you mention...

... three of the five are good: Votto, Phillips, Volquez, and I wouldn’t call them “awesome awesome”. Keppinger and Encarnacion are journeymen. And Baker will manage them to a worse year than they had last year.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 11, 2008 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Encarnacion is no journeyman.

He reminds me of Aramis when Ramirez was with the Pirates. He’s got a lot to get worked out, but if he does…

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Aug 11, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree

encarnacion would already be 100 times better with a mgr of larussa or a bobby cox mentality. I’ll remind you too that keppinger was playing really really good before he went down with injury. I agree Baker will manage them into the dirt if he makes it past the winter which i dont see jocketty letting happen. the reds are way to good to be that bad.

from the mouth of Uecker:

"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."

by cubsluver22 on Aug 11, 2008 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

batting fifth, for the reds...

centerfielder, corey patterson

by tim815 on Aug 12, 2008 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Above the Cubs if that is what you mean

Order is based on current record

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Aug 11, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone know about this Dallas Buck guy?

If he going to be another good pitcher for the Reds, that rotation is starting to get ugly. A lot of good young talent that will be a thorn in the Cubs sides for years to come.

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Aug 11, 2008 1:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Here is some info on Buck

Dalas Buck’s Minor League Numbers

He was one of the D’backs 2006 3rd round draft pick (from Giants as compensation for Free Agent Tim Worrell) out of college (Oregon State University).

He was first drafted out of high school in 2003 by the Pirates (19th round).

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Aug 11, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Aug 11, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I watched Dallas Buck pitch live a few times

He’s a great pitcher in college but I always saw him more as a long relief guy in the pros.

Great fastball with late break. His Off-Speed stuff needed work.

He was dominate at times but other times would just lose his head.

The Reds got a good pitcher, but I don’t think he will ever crack their rotation.

Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory

by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 11, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know that Dallas Buck

is just about one of the best baseball names I’ve ever heard…

"Why does that man drop his club before he runs? I would bring it with me." ~Stewie Griffin

by Goodie1969 on Aug 11, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not better than Rebel Ridling!

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 11, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'll still take razor shines....

....who owns an mlb record.

which one?

by tim815 on Aug 12, 2008 7:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our right-handed pitchers smile.

Both the Cubs and Suds have 6 more v. Cinci. The Cards have 9 more.
The Cards also have 7 to go v. AZ

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Aug 11, 2008 1:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

1982-Dave Kingman

Former Cub Dave Kingman in 1982 only hit .204 for the Mets but led the NL with 37 HR’s.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 11, 2008 2:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I was born in 1987

I keed, I keed.

"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk

by NittanyCub on Aug 11, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and Kingman wasn't much better in 1986

batting .210 with 37 HR while with Oakland.

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Aug 11, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

correction...35 HR

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Aug 11, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You think that's something?

Check out Rob Deer.

In 1991 Deer hit .179 on the season, with 25 home runs. I serious! His career batting line? .220/.324/.442.

by cwyers on Aug 11, 2008 2:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dare I say this, but...

I’d take Deer’s career OPS+ of 109 over Fukudome’s 100 this season.

Proud recipient of a hot dog shot from the Iowa Cubs hot dog gun.

by IowaCubs- on Aug 11, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure that Dome is a better defensive outfielder than Rob Deer.

I just find it amazing that a guy could put up a career OPS of 109 while having 853 hits and 1409 strikeouts.

by cwyers on Aug 11, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Deer...

... had been on a better team, or played in better hitter’s parks, he might have had a 50+ HR season. I saw him play often in spring training, and he hit monstrous HR… including one over the 30-foot hitter’s background at the OLD Ho Ho Kam park in Mesa, which was 430 feet from the plate.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 11, 2008 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

add Mark McGwire to the list

He hit 187 with 29 HR in 2001 with 118 K in 364 PA

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Aug 11, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

'85 Gorman Thomas, '83 Tony Armas

Gorman Thomas in 1985 with Seattle, not Milwaukee, hit 32 HR’s with a .215 BA.

Tony Armas in 1983 hit 36 HR’s for the Red Sox but only hit .218.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 12, 2008 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

dbacks just got a little bit better

they are the one team that I don’t want to see in the playoffs…...they just seem to have the cubs number, especially in arizona.

by cubsmania on Aug 11, 2008 2:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That was last year

This year we are 4-2 with them and we are a different, more patient team. And to be fair I’d rather see them than The Dodgers. We might have a 5-2 record against them but those games were very close and I don’t forsee us getting to their bullpen as luckily as we did in the regular season.

by ak123 on Aug 11, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

D-backs can put the hurt on us, between Webb and Haren…yeeech.

by StevenABQ on Aug 11, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

the dodgers rotation doesn’t scare me that much…..and while we would have home field advantage…we seem to hardly ever be able to win games in arizona…

by cubsmania on Aug 11, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are scary in a short series

Steve Phillips on his computer use as Mets GM, "I played solitaire on my computer in my office."

by Tate491 on Aug 11, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Adam Dunn (Darrell Evans Type)

Darrell Evans in the 1970’s and 1980’s was a left-handed hitter who did not hit for much of an average, hit a lot of HR’s, walked a lot, and struck out a lot. He helped the Tigers win the World Series in 1984 and a division title in 1987. Adam Dunn could help the D-backs win the division this year being surrounded by far better talent than the Reds had.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 11, 2008 2:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Excellent comparison.

by MDBNIU on Aug 11, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't like this from a Cubs

perspective because Donkey loves hitting against the Cubs. I’d rather he stay in Cinn where he can’t hit a HR against them in the playoffs that way.

Formerly NO100

by jerry morales rules on Aug 11, 2008 2:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yabbut...

... keep this in mind: that means he WON’T be hitting against the Cubs for six REGULAR SEASON games that the Cubs still have left with the Reds, meaning those games may be easier for the Cubs to win.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 11, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hello! Thank you!

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Aug 11, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

(I am knocking on wood as I write this)

But I really don’t think the division or making the playoffs is the issue anymore. Maybe I shouldn’t look too far into the future, but I will anyway.

Formerly NO100

by jerry morales rules on Aug 11, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DBacks in the DS

Their starters, in order, would be Brandon Webb, Dan Haren, and Randy Johnson. Currently 38-18. Formidable.

Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Aug 11, 2008 2:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Formidable hell....LETHAL

But the problem for those D-Backs is a weak lineup that just lost it heart and soul for the season in Orlando Hudson.

by MDBNIU on Aug 11, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kind of like if the cubs ever lost The Riot?

:)

Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory

by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 11, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And they would go against

Z, Demp and Harden who are 31-12 (including Harden’s A’s numbers)

i like those matchups

"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella

by El Borto on Aug 11, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is true.

And I like Harden starting that first game in AZ more than Z or Demps- who are lights out at home.

Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Aug 11, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep in mind...

... that IF this comes to pass, and the records stay as they are, the Cubs would have the first two games at home, unlike last year. Big difference, especially with the Cubs playing as well as they have been at home.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 11, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly;

you’d see Z and Demps in games 1 and 2 at home, with Harden taking the first game in AZ.

Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Aug 11, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That makes me say Go Dodgers!

We do counter with Z,Dempster, and Harden which is a pretty good 1-2-3. We also have a better lineup than they do.

Still I would rather face the Dodgers.

Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs

by nji232 on Aug 11, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep in mind though

that a team like the DBacks (in what has the makings of a tight NL-West race) might need their aces down the stretch, whereas a team in a division that is clinched before the final game, would not. This means that they might not actually have Webb, Haren, Johnson in that order…This is basically what Steve Stone said this morning on the Score, pointing out that maybe their 1 or 2 would not be available for game 1 or 2 of a DS…

Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 11, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Low batting averages with 30+ HR

Dave Kingman .204 37 1982 NYM
Dave Kingman .210 35 1986 OAK
Gorman Thomas .215 32 1985 SEA
Ron Kittle .215 32 1984 CHW
Jose Valentin .216 30 2004 CHW
Tony Armas .218 36 1983 BOS

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Aug 11, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

and may I add Ken Harrelson's name to that list

Hawk hit 30 HR while batting .221 in 1969 while playing for Boston and Cleveland.

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Aug 11, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wonder if he shouted

“He gone!” every time he struck out.

by rea5661 on Aug 11, 2008 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Adam Dunn is a major asset in the right lineup

Problem is the Arizona Diamondbacks don’t possess the right lineup. Dunn will definitely help them, but enough to counter balance the Joe Torre / Manny Ramirez mojo happening in Los Angeles? I doubt it.

by MDBNIU on Aug 11, 2008 2:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Call it morbid curiousity, but what do you see as the "right lineup" for Dunn?

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Aug 11, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One where Rob Deer is not featured?

Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory

by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 11, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure if Jackson or Dunn will move to right

in either case, Chris Young will keep busy. Two corner guys that ideally are 1st basemen.

by rlpete on Aug 11, 2008 2:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Justin Upton is close to returning

(so I’m glad we don’t face AZ again in the regular season), but more to the point I think Dunn plays LF, Upton RF, Jackson 1B, and Chad Tracy flips between 1B and 3B from time to time.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Aug 11, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or do they put Jackson in LF and Dunn at 1B?

Jackson has played some LF this year.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 11, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

Conor Jackson has being playing left field because Eric Byrnes went down and the D’Backs were desperate for any offense they could find, and they went out and re-found 1st baseman Tony Clark.

Justin Upton has been over-matched this season. Lots of talent, but the evidence would suggest he was way rushed and the D’Backs (and Upton) are suffering the consequences. Sorta like how Tampa Bay once upon a time rushed his brother B.J.

by MDBNIU on Aug 11, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Justin Upton is a 20 year old whose OPS + is 101.

He’s doing just fine. After a rough June he was bouncing back in July before the injury. ML players like Upton, like Kosuke, like DLee, like Aramis, like DeRo go through ebbs and flows. For some reason it’s only the rooks who get written off during their ebbs.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Aug 11, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

When a good, veteran team like the Mets of last year (I think it was last year) starts playing badly down the stretch, they’re just slumping or getting unlucky. But when a good, young team plays badly down the stretch, they “don’t have the experience to handle high-pressure situations.”

by rea5661 on Aug 11, 2008 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You misspelled "designated hitter"

"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin

by davidalanu on Aug 11, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Diamondbacks already strike out more than any other team in baseball

besides the Marlins. He’s a one-trick pony (hits HRs) and even that’s going to be a lot more difficult playing in the bigger parks in the NL West. He’s till going to hit .233 and play awful defense in an even bigger park . . . This doesn’t scare me much at all

by TheRiot02 on Aug 11, 2008 3:06 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Damn, good post.

It could potentially be a shit show if Dunn plays in the outfield. They somehow need to get the man on 1st base if they want to minimize the damage this guy can do on defense.

"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk

by NittanyCub on Aug 11, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a really good point.

Bank Holding Company Park isn’t as good a HR park as GABP is.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 11, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But it's a better park for seeing the ball which could make Dunn more dangerous statistically speaking.

Adam Dunn doesn’t need the help of GABP to get the ball out of the park. But give him better visibility….

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Aug 11, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You really think the former BOB has better visibility than GABP?

That’s not usually the case in domed stadiums. Any evidence for this?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 11, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've read a ton of quotes about hitters loving the batter's eye at BOB.

I read something about this just the other day but can’t find it now. Sorry.

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by DGU on Aug 11, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about the park factors for the two parks?

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by Al on Aug 12, 2008 4:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't find uptodate ones

but from 2003-2005, GAPB had a 99 on LHB-AVG and a 117 on LHB-HR, while BOB had a 105 LHB-AVG and a 108 on LHB-HR, so if I’m right that Dunn doesn’t need any help getting the ball out of a stadium, then the AVG bump he’ll get in AZ will help more than the HR-dip.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Aug 12, 2008 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So his AVG may go up and his HR count go down.

It’ll be interesting to see.

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by Al on Aug 12, 2008 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One-trick pony?

I guess walks don’t count for anything.

Adam Dunn = king of Three True Outcomes. NL west defenses are probably sighing in relief – it will make their jobs much easier.

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by berselius on Aug 11, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Adam Dunn's

Career Stats:
OBP SLG OPS+
380 520 130

2008:
OBP SLG OPS+
373 528 131

Not too shabby, and definitely not a “one trick pony”.

The critical thing to understand is that major-league pitchers don't appear to have the ability to prevent hits on balls in play. There are many possible reasons why this is the case, and I don't really have a concrete idea as to why it is.

But the one thing I do know is that it is the case.

--Voros McCracken

by nbt on Aug 11, 2008 3:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, kind of like the Hulk is not a one trick pony:

Hulk Smash Cars…Cars go BOOM!

Hulk Smash Walls…Building go BOOM!

Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory

by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 11, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dunn really has two tricks...

...the ability to take walks and the ability to drive the ball for extra base hits. He’s not a Tris Speaker sort of place hitter, no. He will never steal 30 bases in a season.

But the two most vital things a hitter can do – get on base and hit for extra bases – he does, and he does very well.

by cwyers on Aug 11, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like to mess with Dunn because its fun

But you are 100% right. And while you can get him out with good pitches the simple fact is if you miss your location Dunn will make your team pay. In that way he can scare pitchers and run up their pitch counts often creating good pitches to hit for the hitters behind him.

Dunn is a good player. If he could ever figure out how to hit .300 he would be a great player (even with his mediocre defense).

Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory

by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 11, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's the second coming of Richie Sexson...

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by Ross on Aug 11, 2008 3:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So does that mean he'll hit a HR off the scoreboard...

... and then get hurt and miss the rest of the season?

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by Al on Aug 11, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree because

Sexson never had the eye that Dunn has.

Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory

by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 11, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Close, though.

He did draw a lot of walks in his better years. (Sexson, that is.)

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by Al on Aug 11, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

The critical thing to understand is that major-league pitchers don't appear to have the ability to prevent hits on balls in play. There are many possible reasons why this is the case, and I don't really have a concrete idea as to why it is.

But the one thing I do know is that it is the case.

--Voros McCracken

by nbt on Aug 11, 2008 4:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Adam Dunn

had 38 HR in 373 AB against the Cubs in his career. He didn’t have a good batting average against us this year (.207) but he still had 5 HR’s.

The Cubs have 6 left against the Reds and 0 left against the D-Backs

///approves trade

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by mjk83 on Aug 11, 2008 4:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Now if only Stros would give up then we would be all set!

Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory

by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 11, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My approval is conditional

On the Dodgers winning the NL West. I was already nervous enough about a potential Cubs-D’Backs rematch in the first round before this trade….

by SuperContext on Aug 11, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If

they put Dunn in RF, I’m going to try and watch some of those games because that could get comical real quick. And disastrous for the DBacks.

Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Aug 11, 2008 5:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Boy, the Reds are going to be horrible the rest of the year...

.....I wonder if Dusty will survive this wreck.

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by carmen_fanzone on Aug 11, 2008 6:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Odds are no, some here have speculated TLR might join his buddy Walt.

Steve Phillips on his computer use as Mets GM, "I played solitaire on my computer in my office."

by Tate491 on Aug 11, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then soon after doing so

TLR will join his other old buddies, Jack, Jim, and Johnnie...

"Why does that man drop his club before he runs? I would bring it with me." ~Stewie Griffin

by Goodie1969 on Aug 11, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh.

I’m so tired of hearing the TLR/drinking comments. We know, we know. He had a DUI. It was stupid. It has nothing to do with his managing. Can we keep the conversation on track, please?

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by Al on Aug 11, 2008 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay

Is it off-track to suggest a man who might take a job which will likely cause him great emotional distress might take a drink to cope? Especially one who has a proclivity for the stuff in the first place? I’m not making just a snarky “Tony’s an alcoholic” joke here, Al. It was a comment intended to be both humorous and suggest that taking that job would be career suicide for TLR. Sorry if it bothered you…

"Why does that man drop his club before he runs? I would bring it with me." ~Stewie Griffin

by Goodie1969 on Aug 11, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe they're doing this so...

... they have an excuse to fire Dusty, or he’ll quit in disgust.

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by Al on Aug 11, 2008 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be a

brilliant move on their part.

by rea5661 on Aug 11, 2008 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Walt Jocketty will find a way to gently dispose of Dusty Baker

I see zero chance Jocketty will stick with Dusty for what is the rebuilding project in Cincinnati. I look for Dusty to be ceremoniously “kicked upstairs” by the Reds. They’ll give him some vague front office job that will last until his contract runs out.

by MDBNIU on Aug 11, 2008 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most likely the case

I sure wouldn’t want him anywhere near Johnny Cueto and Edinson Volquez.

by rea5661 on Aug 11, 2008 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I had a guess right now

Id say dunn is a cardinal when he hits free agency.

from the mouth of Uecker:

"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."

by cubsluver22 on Aug 11, 2008 7:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm...

Thier outfield situation is pretty stable. They’ve got Ludwick in Right, Ankiel in Center, and the Shumaker/Duncan platoon in left. Throw in Colby Rasmus, who’ll likely make the team in the spring (and will probably get a cup of coffee next month), and they should be pretty set in the OF.

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Aug 11, 2008 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most likely...

... Rasmus will be their CF next year and Ankiel moves to left. I see zero chance of Dunn becoming a Cardinal. He’s probably headed to an AL team to DH full-time starting next year, or at the latest by 2010.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 12, 2008 4:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It seems to me like he could market himself

as the Teixeira consolation-prize to whichever AL East team “loses” out from making a 10-year commitment to Teix. So, I think you’re right about the AL and I think AL East (US branches) seems likely.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Aug 12, 2008 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't care what the sabermagicians say, Adam Dunn is a force offensively

Nobody claims he is Manny, Pujols, A-Rod, Braun…. But what Adam Dunn does is provide prodigious power, grab walks and drive in runs. He needs to be in the American League and I am sure next year he will be. He would be excellent addition to the Yankees given the short porch that is being replicated from old to new Yankee Stadium. Plop Dunn in the DH slot, bat him 6th or 7th and look out.

by MDBNIU on Aug 11, 2008 10:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually

from what I’ve seen, most sabermagicians consider Dunn to be really good. His HR(1st), Walk(3nd), OBP and SLG totals definitely outweigh his high strikeout totals and his low average. He has freaking 11.7 At bats per HR (1st).

by rea5661 on Aug 11, 2008 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, obviously you don't care what the sabermagicians say.

Because you obviously don’t know what the sabermagicians say.

Adam Dunn is the freaking poster child for sabermagic.

by cwyers on Aug 12, 2008 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the race is on! Who will be the first photoshopper to capture this gem:
Adam Dunn is the freaking poster child for sabermagic.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Aug 12, 2008 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't care what the history books say

Oceania has always been at war with East Eurasia!

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 12, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hahah, hilarious reference

Steve Phillips on his computer use as Mets GM, "I played solitaire on my computer in my office."

by Tate491 on Aug 12, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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