Open Thread: Cubs vs. Braves, Wednesday 8/13 (Game Two), 6:15 CT
Chicago Cubs @ Atlanta Braves
Nice win this afternoon -- now let's keep it going and get the Cubs' first doubleheader sweep since the division-clinching sweep of the Pirates on September 27, 2003.
This thread will serve as the first-pitch thread as well as the pregame thread for game two; the schedule for the overflow threads is below. I'll post a more complete recap of both doubleheader games tomorrow morning.
Rich Harden, who was originally supposed to start last night and is instead starting this game, thus won't be able to start on short rest Sunday in Florida; instead, Lou will have choices:
Samardzija, of course, started in the minors but hasn't gone more than two innings since his recall. Harden, then, would likely go again on Tuesday against the Reds at home. But that's getting ahead of ourselves.The Cubs may wait to see who they need in the Atlanta series before picking a starter for Sunday.
"I can't bring Harden back on short rest, but I can bring Marquis back possibly," Piniella said Wednesday. "By him pitching the day game, it gives him a little longer time. If not, we'll either pitch [Jeff] Samardzija or pitch [Sean] Marshall."
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Again, a reminder that these numbers are Harden's with the Cubs only; his full-season numbers are in the pitcher box above.
The Braves must like Jorge Campillo a lot; they originally signed him in 1996, but released him a year later. He bounced around the Mariners' chain for a long time and pitched in eight games for them from 2005-2007 with little success. This year, forced into Atlanta's rotation by injuries, he's done quite well. He has never faced the Cubs.
Again, since I wrote about Harden in the thread for last night's rained-out game, here's a repeat of that for this one:Rich Harden faced the Braves in interleague play on May 17 in Atlanta and got a win. He allowed four hits in seven innings, all singles, walked one and struck out eight. One of those hits was by Mark Teixeira, who's no longer on the team. Casey Kotchman, who was acquired for Teixeira, is 3-for-12 (all singles) vs. Harden (from Kotchman's days with the Angels while Harden was in the AL).
Tonight's game can be found on CSN Plus (CLTV in Chicago; check your cable system if you're not in the city), and on SportSouth, and BOTH feeds are on EI. Also see the MLB.com Mediacenter.
Baseball-reference.com game preview
Once again, a reminder that you can find the overflow comment threads, including the first pitch thread, on the right sidebar of both the front page and any interior page in the box headed "RECENT STORIES IN GAME THREADS". As noted above, this thread will serve as both the pregame and first pitch thread, since it's being posted near 5 pm CT, and the overflow comment threads will post at 6:45, 7:45 and 8:30 pm CT.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Let's make this a sweep!
Go get em Harden!
Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 13, 2008 4:30 PM CDT 0 recs
Dear Cubs Offense,
Please score more runs than Rich Harden allows. This shouldn’t be that difficult.
Thank You.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 13, 2008 4:32 PM CDT 0 recs
Hey, you can’t do that. You don’t run this place….
Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.
by N Oakley on
Aug 13, 2008 4:37 PM CDT
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I most certainly do....and I run it with an

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Aug 13, 2008 4:39 PM CDT
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Coupled with an adult joke, that would hurt.
Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.
by N Oakley on
Aug 13, 2008 4:40 PM CDT
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I think we shoudl score
more runs than Rich Harden Ks.
And less than 10 Ks is unacceptable!
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by drewishdrewid on
Aug 13, 2008 4:43 PM CDT
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dear cubs offense
please take some pitches. three braves pitchers went over fiddy tosses in game one. use up bobby cox’ options.
by tim815 on
Aug 13, 2008 4:46 PM CDT
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I sure do hope the offense keeps it in high gear tonight
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by nji232 on Aug 13, 2008 4:34 PM CDT 0 recs
Wasn't there an old rule
that excess runs in a doubleheader can be banked for use in the second game?
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by neverAcquiesce on Aug 13, 2008 4:36 PM CDT 0 recs
baseball grew up. this ain't grandpa's game
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by nji232 on
Aug 13, 2008 4:37 PM CDT
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the mound isnt 83 feet anymore...
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Aug 13, 2008 4:38 PM CDT
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but GLOVES are still for sissies!
Proud recipient of a hot dog shot from the Iowa Cubs hot dog gun.
by IowaCubs- on
Aug 13, 2008 4:58 PM CDT
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and baseball was way better
when the batter got to call for where he wanted the pitch
soriano, “inside corner, thigh high.”
by tim815 on
Aug 13, 2008 4:59 PM CDT
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TWSS
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by drewishdrewid on
Aug 13, 2008 5:00 PM CDT
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I'm calling
a technical balk!
Umps 1, Cubs 0, Braves 0
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by drewishdrewid on
Aug 13, 2008 4:44 PM CDT
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I'm kicking dirt on you and screaming loudly!!!
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by neverAcquiesce on
Aug 13, 2008 4:51 PM CDT
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Is that technical dirt or real dirt?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 13, 2008 5:01 PM CDT
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Virtual Dirt
"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."
by flachimesa on
Aug 13, 2008 5:02 PM CDT
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I'm calling
a virtual technical groundskeeper
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by drewishdrewid on
Aug 13, 2008 5:03 PM CDT
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Pierce Brosnan
call for you on the white courtesy phone.
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by drewishdrewid on
Aug 13, 2008 5:05 PM CDT
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about time this thread opened
the last one’s been over for, what, half an hour?
heh
by tim815 on Aug 13, 2008 4:36 PM CDT 0 recs
it's been SO LONG
since there was baseball!!!!!
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by drewishdrewid on
Aug 13, 2008 4:44 PM CDT
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Yeah, after two days off, this is like a weekend bender
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by IowaCubs- on
Aug 13, 2008 4:58 PM CDT
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Except we'll remember it in the morning.
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by neverAcquiesce on
Aug 13, 2008 4:59 PM CDT
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speak for yourself!!!!
"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."
by flachimesa on
Aug 13, 2008 5:00 PM CDT
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quick!
someone drive around in a car out the top of the moon-roof without their shirts!
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by drewishdrewid on
Aug 13, 2008 4:59 PM CDT
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Where is the girl power when you need it?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Aug 13, 2008 5:01 PM CDT
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sue?
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by drewishdrewid on
Aug 13, 2008 5:03 PM CDT
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you rang?
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on
Aug 13, 2008 5:22 PM CDT
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scroll up, please
we have need of your services.
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by drewishdrewid on
Aug 13, 2008 5:23 PM CDT
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WHEW
Luckily, I only had 33 minutes of work to do the entire day.
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by dtpollitt on Aug 13, 2008 4:39 PM CDT 0 recs
(sarcasm)
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by dtpollitt on
Aug 13, 2008 4:40 PM CDT
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A Porn Director's day is grueling sometimes.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Aug 13, 2008 4:41 PM CDT
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bow chikka wow wow
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by drewishdrewid on
Aug 13, 2008 4:44 PM CDT
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Oh jeesh. Do I have to show you again…
Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.
by N Oakley on
Aug 13, 2008 4:44 PM CDT
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Today was "Bring Your Grandparents to Work Day"...so, you can imagine the excitement in the air around the office
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by dtpollitt on
Aug 13, 2008 4:47 PM CDT
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excitement = legs?
Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.
by N Oakley on
Aug 13, 2008 4:48 PM CDT
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I'm jealous
My head’s about to explode from spending this week (and counting) developing a presentation. No Cubs! I can’t tell you how painful it is to miss day games… but as long as we’re winning, I’m a happy camper.
by Emelie on
Aug 13, 2008 5:17 PM CDT
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so did i miss anything significant in the first game?
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by preachermancubsfan on Aug 13, 2008 4:46 PM CDT 0 recs
Atlanta pitcher got tossed for throwing at Soriano
"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."
by flachimesa on
Aug 13, 2008 4:49 PM CDT
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who was thrown at for posing.
Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.
by N Oakley on
Aug 13, 2008 4:49 PM CDT
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why were they playing beanball?
still angry from last year when he “showed them up” after hitting 3 hrs in a game?
cox lives up to his name!!
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by preachermancubsfan on
Aug 13, 2008 4:50 PM CDT
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Soriano hit a shot, posed, but it was not a HR
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by flachimesa on
Aug 13, 2008 4:51 PM CDT
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well, im glad sori
didnt retaliate…that the reason he spent 5 weeks or so on the DL earlier. that is bush league crap…
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by preachermancubsfan on
Aug 13, 2008 4:53 PM CDT
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Cox wasn't there
he got tossed earlier
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by flachimesa on
Aug 13, 2008 4:52 PM CDT
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he may have called it from his office
"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."
by flachimesa on
Aug 13, 2008 4:52 PM CDT
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im sure he did...
gotta make there meaningless baseball exciting somehow
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by preachermancubsfan on
Aug 13, 2008 4:54 PM CDT
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My take on this
I give credit to Adam Calderelli for pointing out that this all goes back to `07 vs. Braves. Bear with my fuzzy recall. Feel free to correct/fill in my blanks:
2007
1. Soriano hits 3 homers in 1 game in Atlanta.
2. Braves retaliate with HBP.
3. Lilly retaliates next game, gets ejected in first inning.
4. Hit batsman (forgot name) delivers forearm smash to Mike Fontenot on play at 2nd.
2008:
5. Braves drill Soriano in Wrigley, bust his hand.
6. Soriano hot dogs drive off wall at Atlanta.
7. Braves throw at his head.
TBC…
by thermal54 on
Aug 14, 2008 7:31 AM CDT
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That was Edgar Renteria who stuck his fist in Fontenot's face as he slid into the bag
However, there is a disconnect in this chain of events: number 4 and number 5 were both the Braves doing something to the Cubs. Actually, I don’t remember if number 5 was on purpose – maybe it wasn’t but rekindled all of this.
Finally, the thing that started all this last year was so much that Soriano hit 3 homers, I think it was that he cadillaced it on all three.
Interesting that Lilly is the starting pitcher today. Adds a bit of drama, since he’s the one pitcher involved who might still hold a grudge from last year…..
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on
Aug 14, 2008 7:42 AM CDT
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Edmonds stayed hot, hit a HR
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by flachimesa on
Aug 13, 2008 4:50 PM CDT
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Lineup and link to postgame stuff
http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/376
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Soriano, LF
Theriot, SS
Lee, 1B
Ramirez, 3B
Edmonds, CF
DeRosa, 2B
Fukudome, RF
Blanco, C
Harden, P
by Bruce Miles on Aug 13, 2008 4:47 PM CDT 0 recs
wow
Edmonds and Dome back in for Game 2. Interesting.
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by drewishdrewid on
Aug 13, 2008 4:50 PM CDT
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Theriot second, Dome seventh, Blanco in.
I like.
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by neverAcquiesce on
Aug 13, 2008 4:53 PM CDT
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Agreed.
Good lineup. Dome will start hitting. Eventually.
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by Al on
Aug 13, 2008 5:02 PM CDT
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I'm worried
That you are right, but that “eventually” = 2009.
by SuperContext on
Aug 13, 2008 5:25 PM CDT
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That's OK with me
for all the reasons already stated 100x here and elsewhere, i.e. he’s adjusting on multiple levels
by Emelie on
Aug 13, 2008 5:28 PM CDT
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True enough.
Also, his plus defense in RF makes him worth keeping in the lineup, and the rest of the team is sort of carrying him.
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by Al on
Aug 13, 2008 5:33 PM CDT
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No Cedeno?
Or Fontenot or Johnson? Really odd. I almost expected Ward at 1st.
Do we not have the depth we thought we had?
by astroview on
Aug 13, 2008 5:08 PM CDT
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Johnson can't hit RHP.
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by Al on
Aug 13, 2008 5:09 PM CDT
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Agreed, but the Wonder Hampster can!
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by californiachicagoan on
Aug 13, 2008 5:21 PM CDT
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True enough.
But that would have meant DeRosa in RF and Dome on the bench. I think Lou wants him to get as many AB as possible to get him going again (Dome, that is).
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by Al on
Aug 13, 2008 5:23 PM CDT
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That was my thinking.
This really looks like Lou’s putting his best foot forward to sweep the DH.
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by neverAcquiesce on
Aug 13, 2008 5:24 PM CDT
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You could give Dero the night off
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by californiachicagoan on
Aug 13, 2008 5:30 PM CDT
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He has a .916 career OPS against Atlanta.
Still want to bench him?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on
Aug 13, 2008 5:56 PM CDT
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Not to mention Glavine goes tomorrow..
Edmonds and Dome can rest against the lefty
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on
Aug 13, 2008 6:45 PM CDT
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the wonder hamster is our secret weapon.
use darryl ward to force the other manager to the pen
and twh to go sluggo on the ball




