Soriano needs to be disciplined
Alfonso Soriano not running out of the batter box on what he thought was a home run today was inexcusable. It's not the first time this garbage has happened with Soriano. And I understand completely why Bobby Cox and the Braves might be peeved off and want to fire a fastball into Soriano's earhole the next chance they get.
My admiration and support of Lou Piniella is unwavering. But he has horrible blind spot with Soriano that needs to end. What needed to happen today was for Piniella to PUBLICLY make spectacle of Soriano. Like in the same vein as Billy Martin yanked Reggie Jackson from a game in 1977 when Reggie played a ball hit to right field on about the 50th hop. Sweet Lou was on that team by the way. Because obviously Soriano isn't getting the message via other means.
If my detractors want to make this an argument of me having long-standing disdain for Soriano, then so be it. This viewpoint of mine has nothing to do with overall opinion of Soriano. I would say the same thing if it were Ryan Theriot who did what happened today.
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Bruce wrote about this
http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/376
“I talked to Alfonso about it,” Lou said. “I told him that he’s one of our leaders here and there’s no need for that. He agrees and he says it won’t happen again. It’s over.”“I apologized to him, and I apologized to my teammates,” Soriano said. “I said that’s not going to happen again, and I apologized to him.”
by John Q Freejazz on Aug 13, 2008 5:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
my guess is that this will not be a problem
going down to Aram as well. Being publicly embarrassed will do much, apologizing to the team is significant, and I bet the Kangaroo Court led by DLee and Wood will be in session as well.
Not to worry MDBNIU…..I am not worried.
BTW Atlanta disciplined him also, headhunting…..
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Aug 13, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pleased to hear this...
...that said this is not the first occurrence of Alfonso Soriano acting like a hotdog. So while he said all the right things today I’m not so sure he won’t do the same damned thing down the road. One thing I’ve learned about Soriano is that he needs an outlet for the showman inside him, ala Sam-ME Steroid. Maybe Soriano should dispense with the antics in the batter’s box and instead blow kisses from the dugout. I’d be more comfortable with that.
by MDBNIU on Aug 13, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did flash the peace sign to Dan Uggla a few weeks ago after hitting a homer
That kind of counts as blowing a kiss. Alfonso has a lot of hot dog in him, thats just who he is. Nothing Lou does is gonna change that. Call him selfish or whatever, but the guy can play baseball and is a real good clubhouse presence.
Look at the picture on this site from Blanco’s walkoff win. Soriano is the first player out to hug Blanco.
He may do some things that will anger a lot of baseball people, but he is a great player and a great teammate. I see no harm in him showing off a little, though today’s little showing wasn’t his finest moment.
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by nji232 on Aug 13, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great teammate
Agreed. Soriano is a showoff, a hotdog, whatever – and I agree with the general idea that he has to run everything out at all times. Still, a lot of the showoff-ness is borne out of a genuine excitement about the game – much like Z fist-pumping after a critical strikeout.
Moreover, Soriano really gets the same amount of excitement out of his teammates successes – how many photos have we seen of Soriano running (leaping) out to high-five a teammate after their walkoff hit. I remember after particularly critical hit Cliff Floyd had last year while Soriano was on the DL, Soriano was standing on the top step of the dugout pointing and yelling at Floyd on first base, saying something like “YOU! YOU DID IT!”
He seems like the kind of guy who is happy after a win in which he goes 0-4, and down after a loss in which he goes 3-4 with 3 RBI. He plays with emotion, and that’s going to get the best of him on occasion. And as long as that emotion drives him to greatness, I don’t think that any of us will care all that much.
by D98 on Aug 13, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
DEROSA: How did it feel when you're sitting in Baton Rouge and it came across the ticker that Mark DeRosa had just signed to play second base with the Chicago Cubs.
THERIOT: In all honestly, when I saw it, I really felt like punching you right in the mouth and or breaking your leg.
by EJThunder on Aug 13, 2008 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't hear Lou making an excuse for it, which I think is the best that one can ask for...
...given that the same team hit him previously AND the hotdogging did not cost the Cubs a game. A manager has a tough job and he has to push the right buttons at the right time. Managing these egos isn’t easy. I think it would have done more harm than good for Lou to yank him or to go ape sh&* in the media afterwards. While the actions are unacceptable there are mitigating factors here—the Braves knocked him out before and it didn’t cost anything. That doesn’t make the actions acceptable but it does mean that Lou should respond with restraint.
by DudeVf11 on Aug 13, 2008 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Five Homeruns
For punishment he should have to hit five consecutive homers, that’ll teach him.
Honestly though, I agree that it’s maddening. Ramirez used to do this, but was likely protecting his hamstrings. If he’s going to admire a shot it better be an upper-deck or a Waveland shot, but looking at those barely homers (or lonf singles) can come back to bite you big time.
I see in the post above that he apologized. Hopefully this doesn’t happen again. Be glad that it didn’t happen at a critical time and move forward.
by WittyUserName on Aug 13, 2008 5:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
IMO
They threw at him for attempting a steal up 6 runs. Thats what Hughes thought, thats what Otto though and thats what I thought.
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by Hammer on Aug 13, 2008 5:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Atlanta was pissed off because of the steal attempt, hence why Bueno was gunning for Soriano.
by MDBNIU on Aug 13, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Old school of though
Up 6 runs after the 6th. Or is it up 6 runs in the 6th or later. Either way, Cox is old school baseball.
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"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Aug 13, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I agree with Bobby Cox
It would piss me off too if a known flashy player on the opposition was stealing bases with the Cubs having the game well in hand against a meager and beaten up opponent.
by MDBNIU on Aug 13, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not opposed to the reaction of the Braves
.....im opposed to the location of the pitch.
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"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Aug 13, 2008 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you NEVER give up an opportunity.
The Cubs came back from being down 9-1 to win a game. You ALWAYS take your opportunities. Baseball 101.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 13, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta agree here
Boston was up on Texas yesterday 10-0 after the first inning and then was down 15-14 at one point. My philosophy is this, when the other team stops trying to score, so will I. Until then, I’m going to keep at them.
Also remember, today that Marquis was pitching as well. He has a tendency to pitch well and then just implode. You don’t take any chances.
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by RynoHoF on Aug 13, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it that situation
you do. our best player who is having trouble staying healthy and rarely steals cause he cant run well anymore shouldnt being attempting a steal that is unless he’s tried to show them up. I agree he probably was and we dont need pitchers from a playoff team with nothing to play for, throwing fastballs at our players pie holes.
from the mouth of Uecker:
"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."
by cubsluver22 on Aug 13, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
non-playoff team that is
from the mouth of Uecker:
"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."
by cubsluver22 on Aug 13, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what are you talking about?
he’s back from the DL, and his legs are finally healthy. OF COURSE we want him to steal!!!
And he’s doing REALLY well at it. Has he been CS once since coming back from the DL? I don’t think he has.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 13, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are u serious
we want our star player who stays hurt because of hamstrings-stealing a base-6 runs up against a crappy team. i mean heck if we cant hold a 6 run lead against the braves then we have no business worrying about the playoffs. only I want sori doing is swinging that bat and making routine plays. stay healthy and in tune for the playoff run. nothing spectacular and no unwarranted chances.
from the mouth of Uecker:
"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."
by cubsluver22 on Aug 13, 2008 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll say to you
what I’ll say to SouthernCub.
6 runs is not a huge lead. Look at what happened to the Red Sox. Look at what we did to Colorado. Stealing bases successfully builds his confidence. He needs to run. We go for EVERY scoring chance we can get. Wins are the ONLY statistic that counts.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
drew
what are you mlb credentials?? cause obviously you know way more than everyone here. your opinion should override everyone else’s!
yeahhhh right—-stop with your know it all snarky comments all the time. if you knew what you thought you know—you would be working for a major media outlet or in the mlb in some capacity.
if we cant hold a 6-run lead against the braves then we dont belong in the playoffs period. no way no how should our injury riddled star player being trying to steal a base in that sitiaution period.
from the mouth of Uecker:
"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."
by cubsluver22 on Aug 14, 2008 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last year, the Rockies
went deep into the playoffs.
This year, they had a 9-1 lead on us in the 9th inning, and we came back and won the game.
We should be able to beat any team on any given day — but the same holds for every other team! The 1926 Yankees lost games, there’s no reason we can’t lose games either. Six runs is NOT THAT MUCH. You always take an opportunity to score runs. Look at what happened last night — up 11-4, then suddenly, up 11-7. You think Bobby Howry is going to get released? Think again.
He’s not injury riddled.
I’m ignoring the rest of your post, as it’s irrelevant.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 15, 2008 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
obviously you just dont get it
I will make one more attempt to teach you morals of baseball.
you are right—you always take opportunities to score but you do it by station to station baseball and with the bat. You dont kick a bad team when you have them down big. If you knock em in thats fine.
There are things you just dont do up big— like stretch doubles into triples or steal bases or “gloat” on a HR etc.
Last person in the world we need stealing a base up 6 runs against a “AAA team” is bad hamstring sori.
Another example is last night after Kotsay got the cycle I read somewhere he was asked about his prior big game in which on his last AB, he needed a triple for the cycle and he had his chance to get it but “stopped” at 2nd base. They asked why didnt you go ahead and get the triple—his response was something along the line of so and so was on the mound(basically the pitcher sucked and was struggling)!! that drew is good baseball. Did Kotsay pass up an opportunity to score a run? NO!! But he exercised good baseball morals.
Karma has a way of rearing its ugly head and punishing players for things like this.
from the mouth of Uecker:
"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."
by cubsluver22 on Aug 15, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
morals of baseball?
I think you and DeBard need to go bowling.
There’s only one statistic that matters: Wins. You do what you need to do to get those wins. A six run lead is not amazingly huge, not today.
Kotsay was a FRAKING idiot if he actually pulled up at second rather than going for a triple because he felt bad for the opposing pitcher. The Braves were LOSING TERRIBLY. You don’t go for third because you don’t want to get thrown out.
Therefore, I’m calling you out. You say you read it somewhere. I say you’re making it up. And if you’re not making it up, that makes Kotsay a BAD BASEBALL PLAYER.
That’s BAD baseball. You go for the WIN.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 15, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wanting him to steal bases in general is different...
wanting him to steal bases with a huge lead late in the game is an unnecessary risk.
by SouthernCub on Aug 14, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll say to you
what I said to cubsluver22.
6 runs is not a huge lead. Look at what happened to the Red Sox. Look at what we did to Colorado. Stealing bases successfully builds his confidence. He needs to run. We go for EVERY scoring chance we can get. Wins are the ONLY statistic that counts.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just goes to show...
We can agree.
In today’s game, no lead is truly safe.
I didn’t see the game? They threw at Soriano’s head? Someone needs to go down hard for that.
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by DaBard on Aug 13, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No they don't.
That kind of thinking is just stupid.
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on Aug 13, 2008 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha ha, you used his word.
Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.
by N Oakley on Aug 14, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we beat the Braves
in two straight games IN THE SAME DAY. Outscored them 18-2.
They went down hard, and we didn’t even have to throw the ball at anyone’s head.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 13, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This isn't the little leagues, Bobby
Boo hoo, Soriano hurt their feelings.
by dr stabbingworth on Aug 13, 2008 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because the Braves quit
Doesn’t mean we have to. I am so very tired of the “running up the score” nonsense.
The Braves have a surefire method of stopping Soriano from stealing. It’s called the catcher making a good throw and the 2nd baseman making a good tag.
If the Braves only want to play 6 innings and have mercy rules, I’m sure the Cubs would love the time off.
Ask no mercy, give no mercy.
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by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cox was already tossed.
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by HIGGY on Aug 14, 2008 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't really like that concept
when you’re up six, quit being aggressive. and if they come back and win, we’re asked why we pulled off the throttle. when atlanta is so far behind, they send in julian tavarez, we’ll quit running. that’s what i say.
by tim815 on Aug 14, 2008 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That I don't like
I can understand being annoyed at stealing with a 6 run lead. But it was a full count if I recall correctly. That’s more about staying out of the double play than it is trying to steal a base.
If they wanna brush him for posing, I understand. But for going on a 3-2 pitch, is that really kosher?
by WittyUserName on Aug 13, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I take back my good for Cox
if it was a 3-2 pitch. I was riding bike, after 6-1.
Sori had his hand broke against these knuckleheads.
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by Grockcubs on Aug 13, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea if I remember right
It was not only a full count, but also two outs…why wouldn’t he be running?
by rea5661 on Aug 13, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wasn't stealing. It was a WP.
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by DeRoMyHero on Aug 13, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Edmonds had a nice
look at his double that for some reason he thought was out. I am not defending Soriano, hell half the players don’t run out groundballs or foul balls. If Cox threw at Sori because of the steal attempt, good for Cox.
Looks like it was addressed, properly, not in the dugout so everyone can see it, Sori stood up and apologized. I take his word, and lets move on.
As long as the clubhouse is on board, thats all that matters to me. Lets worry about the second game of the doubleheader, and the Brewers maybe losing a game for once.
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by Grockcubs on Aug 13, 2008 5:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good for Cox
Bad for Beuno. NEVER (especially rookies making their debut and gettting hit HARD) should you throw at someones head. IMO—-thats bullshit and borderline criminal if its intentional.
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"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Aug 13, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think Cox had been ejected by that point
the ump had to explain to the stand-in manager why he ejected Bueno
by philadelphiacub on Aug 13, 2008 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Theriot would never, ever do what Soriano did today
He can’t get that close to hitting a home run.
by Leon Durham on Aug 13, 2008 5:20 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Calm down, BlueMike.
That was just Alfonso being Alfonso. It’s amazing how, after all this time, you still haven’t figured out that Soriano is the type of player with whom you take the good with the bad. (Or maybe you have figured it out and you just want something [else] to complain about. Yeah, that’s probably it.) He’s hit 262 home runs in his career thus far, and he knows when he got all of one.
Er, well, he usually knows. Sometimes he gets it wrong and ends up looking like an idiot. He apologized to Lou and my guess is, Alfonso is not going to make the same mistake again for a while. And if the Braves were retaliating for Soriano trying to steal with a six-run lead, well, that’s ridiculous. Six runs isn’t all that much. And it’s not Alfonso’s fault they suck petrified donkey balls this year.
OK, I feel better. Back to my vacation…
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 13, 2008 5:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
agree
but there’s something to be said for some forced humble pie ;-}
by Emelie on Aug 13, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh
I think he’ll be running out of the batters box for the rest of the season.
I have to wonder if he’s lost a little power. He’s posed on more than one off-the-wall shot that he thought was a sure HR.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 13, 2008 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
absolutely agree. also, you don’t throw at a guy when the last time you played against him, you broke his damn hand on a HBP. no matter what he does, posing, whatever. that’s just classless, and honestly, I’m not a violent person nor do I want to start a beanball-fest…but I hope Reed comes in spikes up tonight on a play at 2nd. They deserve it.
by PrincetonCubs on Aug 13, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
Just hit one of their guys in the butt and be done with it.
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"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Aug 13, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that works too
but then the pitcher gets ejected…as we all found out last year, umps do nothing about rough plays at 2nd during Cubs/Braves games…
by PrincetonCubs on Aug 13, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a different crew
and although I dont like Joe West he should know the Cubs are going to retaliate and the teams are warned and then its over.
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"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Aug 13, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
completely agree dat
we seem to be agreeing more and more lately…...let sori be himself, if you try to change him he isn’t going to be the allstar he is
leave him alone about the jump catches
leave him alone about not hustling
LEAVE HIM ALONE!!!!
by cubswynn on Aug 13, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 13, 2008 6:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Im confused
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by Hammer on Aug 13, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think what MDBNIU is suggesting is
completely reactionary and short sighted. He hates Fonzi and he is letting his irrational hostility gets in the way of what is best for this club.
Thus even this bear thinks he’s ridiculous.
Lou sent his message today through the press and that should take care of it. Acting like Billy Martin will only hurt this team.
Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 13, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this really frustrates me
we are playing so great this year, why do fans always have to find something to complain about…...WHY?
by cubswynn on Aug 13, 2008 6:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You have too many "..."
It’s three not six…check yourself!
:)
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 13, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For an ellipsis, yes.
For a “dot leader”, not necessarily.
by MN exile on Aug 13, 2008 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
sorry when i post thoughts it’s just that, thoughts out-loud on a webpage…...hmm that seems weird…...but i, like sori, take your comments in stride and say i apologize…...........
by cubswynn on Aug 14, 2008 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I won't ..................................................
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Where’s the Ellipsis Police? Come get me coppers ..
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Aug 14, 2008 6:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coppers?
What is this Dick Tracy? Who are you prune face?
by StevenABQ on Aug 14, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they'll never take him alive, see?
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ack ack ack ack ack ack ack ack!
mobster? or…

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm never in favor of throwing at anyone.
What’s the point? Yeah, I know, to “send a message”. Send a message by playing winning baseball. And throwing at someone’s head is something that should never, ever be done.
That said, Soriano is maddening. I hate when he does stuff like that, and I thank him for apologizing and doing the right thing. This issue is done, and ought to be.
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by Al on Aug 13, 2008 6:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's done with Sori..
but not with the Braves. Someone needs to wake up tommorrow with a baseball-sized bruise in the middle of their back.
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by DaBard on Aug 13, 2008 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid idea.
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on Aug 13, 2008 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Are you in favor of the Cubs being used for target practice?
You stand up to a bully. You don’t cower and say, “Please don’t hurt me!”
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by DaBard on Aug 13, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about we "retaliate"
by beating them!
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Aug 13, 2008 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've had players hit
before and Lou does not retaliate. I guess Lou would rather show them by beating them. Why have your players get ejected when you need them to be on the field?
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on Aug 13, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because without sending the message
That our pitchers are willing to protect our hitters, it will just continue.
And hands will get broken again.
I don’t want a pitcher to take a killshot. I want a ball in the middle of someone’s back, or across the butt-tocks.
We can survive one or two games without a middle reliever. I don’t fancy going into the postseason with Soriano on the DL again.
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by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We retalliated last year...
and it got Fontenot almost killed and they STILL broke Soriano’s hand this year (on what I don’t think was an intentional HBP in the first place, by the way). Sending a message doesn’t really do as much as you think it does.
by SouthernCub on Aug 14, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, the way to make that happen
is CERTAINLY to start a beaning war.
Not.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, what's your solution?
Do nothing and watch the Cubs players get used for target practice?
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by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not how they would have done it in 1920!
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by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, in 1920 someone got killed by a pitch.
Want that to happen again? I think your attitude on this issue is reprehensible.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 14, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+100000000000
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on Aug 14, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And in the 60s and 70s...
Pitchers like Gibson and Ryan were celebrated for their willingness to throw chin music.
My attitude is reprehensible? If so, a lot of other people had the same attitude.
By the way, the Cubs did exactly what I wanted. No ejections, no injuries, no trouble.
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by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if the Cubs had done exactly what you wanted
Lilly and Lou would have both been thrown out of the game.
It was not purposeful.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know?
You trust the umps?
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by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WIN GAMES.
The ultimate solution.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re-sign Farnsworth
so he can hit someone then plant them with a nice Butkus-style tackle about 5-6 feet from the plate. Will that work?
:^)
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Aug 14, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is how suspensions happen...
I don’t want Soriano or anyone else for that matter to miss any more valuable time. Not only that, but it’s just bad karma. What goes around comes around, you know? Might as well take the high road. Sometimes, that makes the best “statement.”
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by IowaCubs- on Aug 14, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A suspension will last
three games at most.
A DL trip is a lot longer.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thank God
you are not the coach of this team. Violence does not solve anything. Why in the hell you would want any of our players ejected or suspended is beyond me. Seriously some of your opinions are waaaaaaaaaaaaaay out there.
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on Aug 14, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Violence solves all kinds of things
That’s one of the goofiest cliches out there. Violence solves quite a bit in this world.
It is very simple. The Braves apparently think it’s perfectly fine to trot some rookie meatball out there to throw at Soriano’s head. That is absolutely unacceptable.
So, the Cubs should trot someone out there today, late in the game, to put one somewhere below the shoulders.
It’s about protecting your hitters. Teams have to be made to understand that the Cubs hitters are not sitting ducks.
The ump may or may not eject the pitcher. It’s his discretion. If the pitch is at the butt instead of the shoulders, he may just warn him. At the very most, there will be a short suspension and a fine.
You carry on like we’re going to lose Zambrano for a month, the ivy will be ripped down, the team will move to Racine and Ron Santo will lose his voice if someone throws a pitch at some Brave’s butt.
Perhaps you enjoyed seeing the ball going behind Soriano’s head yesterday. I did not. I don’t wish to see it again. Perhaps you do.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You carry on
like a 12 year old child. The Cubs can take care of the throw toSoriano by beating the Braves which they did twice yesterday. A sweep tonight would be restitution.
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on Aug 14, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you honestly think
the Braves give a damn at this point about losses?
If the Cubs win 12-0, but some Brave pitcher puts a Cub hitter out of commission, I guarantee you 80 percent of those fans go home happy.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
only if they think like you.
and I think we’re all pretty aware how unlikely that is.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you think the Cubs need to send a message that they aren't sitting ducks?
This isn’t target practice. Points aren’t awarded for hit batters.
If they were being thrown at for no reason, fine. Retaliate. This one’s over, though, and there is nothing to be gained.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 14, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is never a good reason...
to go up to someone’s skull, like they tried with Soriano. I don’t care if he does triple back springs around the bases. I don’t care if a pitcher strips naked on the mound after a strikeout. I don’t care if someone steals with a 99-1 lead.
I don’t want a Cub going at someone’s head. The buttocks will be just fine.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't give a damn
about the Braves or their fans. All I care about are the Cubs and that they are winning.
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on Aug 14, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LSA
and that we stay healthy
from the mouth of Uecker:
"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."
by cubsluver22 on Aug 14, 2008 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
remember this is the same person
who repeatly in a posts ripped Josh Hamilton to pieces for get positive press b/c crack heads shouldnt get props for cleaning up there act. Thinks women gymnatics is like pro wrestling
So lets consider the source.
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 14, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The average person on here
Wouldn’t hire a recovering addict…
Wouldn’t want their son or daughter dating a recovering addict…
Wouldn’t want a recovering addict living next door…
Wouldn’t want one teaching their child… Hell, wouldn’t want one mopping the floors of their child’s school.
But are all happy that one is hitting a baseball. It’s hypocritical.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would bet
money you are in the minority. You don’t believe people can change and make themselves better? I can see by all of your posts you don’t live in the real world. I hope you don’t expect your children to be perfect because you will be a very disappointed man.
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on Aug 14, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're wrong.
There’s no difference between a recovering addict and a recovering cancer patient.
And YOU said you’d be happy if he played for the Cubs!!!!!
Talk about hypocritical!
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you like to do some research
on the employment rate of people with criminal records?
And you’re right, drew, if he played for the Cubs, I’d root for him. And the second he fell off the wagon, I’d want him gone.
When he stops being useful to the team, he stops being useful to me as a fan.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're all heart, DaBard
and no brain.
being a drug addict =/= being a criminal.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and your views on this reflect a deep ignorance of addiction
I’ve listened to you spout off and told myself over and over not to respond but I can’t do it anymore.
I am a recovering addict, I have lived with the sickness of addiction.
I come from a family of good people who also had addictions in thier lives.
I fought my addiction with the help of good friends and I hope that after 20 years I can still stay clean. I fight the pull of cocaine every day.
I have raised a family and I have a great career.
On the down side I have lost friends and family members to addiction.
2 uncles to liver problems from alcohol.
Cousins to overdoses.
I lost my daughter in a car accident- the other driver was drunk and high- he wasn’t injured
Until you can stand in the shoes of an addict and understands the demons that we endure every single day you have absolutely no right to pontificate on the subject.
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
by carolinacub on Aug 15, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they have two
Losses in a single day instead. that’s even better. That whole team shows up for baseball completely demoralized tomorrow. We have a real chance to sweep the entire season series.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 13, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I will have a sweep broom with me tommorrow in section 121
I can’t stand Atlanta .. I want to see them twist in the wind.
I want to see Tom Glavine get lit UP. I want to see every “Bravo” fan shift unhappily in their seats when the Cubs pile it on. I want to high five every Cub fan in sight I see.
I have been to so many darn games here in Atlanta to watch the Cubs win and have never seen them win ONCE here yet. Tonight, I am intent on seeing it. I cannot wait to be there .. and sing “Go Cubs Go” at the top of my lungs with the W flag with all the other Cubs Nation there ..
I am so done with their feckless fan base around here that shows up around the third inning and leaves after the 7th and that blasted Chop thing and everything else. I watched the Mets bury the Cubs in 1969 and I’ve never forgotten. I watched the Braves knock the Cubs off 10 years ago in 1998.
I am out today to see the Cubs win AND get some revenge. Let that collection of fading veterans and AAA players provide more batting practice for us. Let Reed Johnson and Ward start a game ..
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Aug 14, 2008 6:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You sound Like...
Ned Yost. I do believe some brewer fans will never forget last year when Yost decided to throw at Pujols in a game to retaliate – which ended up costing them the game.
I am not saying i am not a supporter of throwing at people (i have done it), because i think sometimes it is warranted. But when you have a winning team, you look past it. The mental side of the game is fragile and occasionally tough to recover from bad things – so just avoid them.
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by HIGGY on Aug 14, 2008 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay Al, it's maddening....
but we are cubs fans, not bosox fans…....we have to let this guy (for right or wrong) be the guy who he is or else we will lose him
my point is, we may not like it, but we have to grin and bare it or risk pissing him off enough that he wants to leave
the man produces and no matter what we think, that is all that matters
by cubswynn on Aug 14, 2008 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's B.S.
it’s called respect. For the game, your teammates, the opponent. There should be no special rules for certain guys because they have talent. Should every team that T.O has played for accept his bullshit? No.
Some guys have class, some don’t. I’ve heard Soriano is a great guy and teammate, so I’m even more surprised he hotdogs it.
Demp and Rich: proof that people that live in igloos and say "eh" can contibute!
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Aug 14, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why shouldn't you admire a homerun
granted in this case it wasn’t a homer and sori looked like an idiot……HOWEVER he if he hits a homerun, why shouldn’t he celebrate it….it’s not like he was pointing at the other team and rubbing it in, rather he was happy with himself
by cubswynn on Aug 14, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Celebrate it with
your team mates when you get back to the dug out.
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on Aug 14, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
then we’re talking to a LOT more players than just Soriano.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like
any player not running out of the box when they hit the ball.
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on Aug 14, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so say someone hits a monster homerun
you still want them booking it down to first?!?
by cubswynn on Aug 14, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now your being a little silly....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 14, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want them
running the bases. They get paid to do that.
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on Aug 14, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no good grief man
its common sense man not rocket science. you can watch the hr fly out of the park with a non-shalant drop of the bat and a descent jog. no need to flip the bat like a pre-madonna and stand at the plate and watch it go out. the braves are a horrible team destined for vacation in a couple of months. there is absolutely no need to kick dirt in their face why they are down.
from the mouth of Uecker:
"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."
by cubsluver22 on Aug 14, 2008 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, when
you’re a major league player, and you hit home-runs, you can watch your home-runs go out of the park any way you want.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 15, 2008 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
amen
why is it your decision how soriano reacts…..he is a grown man and can do whatever he wants…..i hate that our society is trying to force their own morals and values on someone else all the time
when you folks become major leaguers and start hitting homeruns, you can run the bases the way you want to, until then let the man do what he wants
by cubswynn on Aug 15, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
This is NOT the time of year to be getting into a bean-ball war. The Braves have nothing to lose and we have everything to lose. If Soriano would have gotten hit with that pitch and missed some time because of it, this whole situation would have been devastating.
by Mapmaker on Aug 14, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He apologized and it's over.
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on Aug 13, 2008 6:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Some people OVER react to everything.
The Cubs won the game and are winning game two. Be happy and stop finding stupid things to bitch about.
by cubswin on Aug 13, 2008 7:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Of geese and gander
And I quote (sorta):
Right under your nose sits one of the greatest managers of this generation and you can’t let it go that the arguably the best Cub team over the past 99 years did apparent horrendous injustice in not disciplining Alfonso Soriano. Unbelievable.
Either it’s okay to express disapproval of Lou’s management decisions or it’s not. I’m going to take this post as agreement that it’s ok. I mean this is a Cub discussion forum after all. We should be able to be critical of a manager.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Aug 13, 2008 7:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fine, for discussion sake, I feel the
constant second guessing and continual criticism is stupid and meaningless.
by cubswin on Aug 13, 2008 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh
That’s really lame to be doing that. Hopefully, he’s truthful and won’t do it again. He’s been one of my favorite players on the team… that will change if ego gets involved.
by TheHawkRules on Aug 13, 2008 7:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Heroes
One day I hear Michael Barret talking during an interview and I realized that he was not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Over time I realized the same thing about a lot of the players. They can whack a ball with a stick really hard and that’s what they get paid to do. There are guys like Doug Glanville as an exception to the rule, but for the most part, they’re not out there to solve equations or write books.
At first I was a little disappointed, but then I came to the conclusion that whatever they do between the lines is the only thing that matters and if these guys are idiots or egomaniacs or whatever, who cares? That’s why I don’t hate Barry Bonds. Who cares about all that other junk. You have to ignore that stuff and just cheer for your guys when they win your team a division title.
by dr stabbingworth on Aug 13, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano
is actually pretty smart. Dood can speak three languages, including Japanese which has a completely different ALPHABET. You can’t be stupid and do that.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 13, 2008 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, you can
Not saying he is stupid, but I’ve met people that aren’t going to make it to Mensa anytime soon that can speak Chinese and English.
I don’t think he’s fluent in Japanese.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 13, 2008 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was fluent enough
to live there and talk to Dome.
I don’t know if he can do calculus, but he’s no dummy.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 13, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
again, I'm not saying he's stupid
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 13, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 13, 2008 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't mean to say anyone in particular is dumb
But when I realized that my perception of all ballplayers was wrong, I stopped caring about what they did outside the lines. It makes the game more enjoyable to not get wrapped up stupid things like Arod’s latest scandal or HGH or perjury, etc.
by dr stabbingworth on Aug 14, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LSA!
that my friend is a rational thought and sometimes I wonder how much reason goes on between the ears of a few of the people who post here.
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
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by bubbamike the one and only on Aug 14, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone notice on Sori's double in game 2?
He started Cadillacing again—then all of a sudden, had an “Oh, s**t” moment and started running.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 13, 2008 8:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Shut your trap Jay Mariotti
Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 13, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I'm entitled to make an observation. That's the way I saw it.
And I don’t appreciate your hostility.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 13, 2008 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe brewcrew's
was being sarcastic?
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 13, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that would be too easy :)
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"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Aug 13, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hot dogging
is the wrong way to play the game. plain and simple. that said, he apologized, got embarrassed on baseball tonight and will probably face some kangaroo court punishment. it’s not really a benching offense in my mind.
but what is absolutely ridiculous is the braves pitching staff the last two years against the cubs, and more specifically with regards to soriano. remember last year they threw at soriano’s head, earlier this year threw at his head and broke his hand and now threw at his head again. unforgivable. there are only two possible answer here: either bobby cox is getting old and has lost his team, or bobby cox is a worthless, dirty headhunter of a manager. tired of these punks playing bush league baseball.
by billywan on Aug 13, 2008 9:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps
It was just a rookie pitcher who ment to throw at his ribs and missed?
C.C.+Feilder+Gagne=The brewers just ran out of XXXL Jerseys
by jds2 on Aug 13, 2008 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps
but the trend suggests that atlanta pitchers have no problem throwing at heads.
i would suggest the burden of proof is on them. three straight series they’ve thrown at soriano’s head. i have no problem pitching him up and in if he has a hole in his swing there. but the trend suggests they are throwing at his head, not that it’s a mistake.
by billywan on Aug 14, 2008 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we shouldn't tempt the baseball gods
And just let Sori “rest” tomorrow. Its our last game against Atlanta, and I would hate to see him get hurt.
by SuperContext on Aug 13, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who plays left?
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 13, 2008 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a hard time believing
Cox would have had someone throw at Soriano if they were winning.
Their retaliation was more out of frustration if you ask me.
Soriano definitely should have hustled on the play but there is no reason to blow this out of proportion.
DEROSA: How did it feel when you're sitting in Baton Rouge and it came across the ticker that Mark DeRosa had just signed to play second base with the Chicago Cubs.
THERIOT: In all honestly, when I saw it, I really felt like punching you right in the mouth and or breaking your leg.
by EJThunder on Aug 13, 2008 9:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
EJThunder,
Blue Mike. Blue Mike, EJThunder.
EJ, this is what Blue Mike DOES.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 13, 2008 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep... I gotcha. Just felt the need to reply.
DEROSA: How did it feel when you're sitting in Baton Rouge and it came across the ticker that Mark DeRosa had just signed to play second base with the Chicago Cubs.
THERIOT: In all honestly, when I saw it, I really felt like punching you right in the mouth and or breaking your leg.
by EJThunder on Aug 13, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my $.02
I think Sori’s apology pre-empts any official sanctions from the team/Lou. On the topic of retaliation, I think the issue most critical is is whether, or not, a player feels his team mates have his back. What Sori did did not warrant a fastball being launched at his head. The biggest problem to come from the situatioon could be if NO action were taken.
by daily2b on Aug 13, 2008 10:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that the important thing
is to take all of this in the context of a pennant chase. And not just any chase for that matter, for we all know this team is rolling. This is why Lou was absolutely correct in his course of action. Say this was 2006? I’d like to think the sweetness would have sent bobby howry out there to put a fastball in Chip Jones’ ribcage. But this is 2008. A year of prosperity, at a time when we are dismantling the competition. Why disrupt that dynamic? You just don’t do it. And as much as I wanted to see us throw one high and tight in response, deep down I knew sweet Lou was doing the right thing. So let’s log all of this drama away in our collective memory and hope down the road, when it’s feasible and not detrimental to the team, we’ll whip a two-seemer at Chipper’s kneecap. go Cubs.
by TheTruth11 on Aug 13, 2008 11:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
one last thought
sorry this really bothers me that this is a discussion…..
but no matter what, he is a cub and if someone throws at his head, we shouldn’t make excuses for why it was “okay”
by cubswynn on Aug 14, 2008 12:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Throwing at heads
Is simply not right. You should never want to throw at a guy’s head. Just hitting him with the pitch is the statement Hit him in the back, or rear. You hit him, you make the statement. You don’t try to ruin his career, or injure him for weeks to come. You make the statement, he takes first base, and it’s over. Don’t let it dictate the rest of the game. That’s just stupid.
by D-Bone on Aug 14, 2008 1:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
re: retaliation
the whole problem with the cubs and the braves is that this is now the third series in a row that we’ve accepted them throwing at soriano’s head. i’m not saying we should promote a policy of tit for tat. but if you let them throw at your stars’ head with no consequences things tend to get out of hand.
by billywan on Aug 14, 2008 1:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
have someone go mark prior on their second baseman
felix pie could do it
by tim815 on Aug 14, 2008 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and then point at bobby cox
and head to the dressing room
by tim815 on Aug 14, 2008 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do think
that if there is a point to be made for throwing back, this is the best one. The Braves are now repeat offenders against a single player. And as others have said, throwing at the head? Never tolerable.
by TheTruth11 on Aug 14, 2008 1:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Should Have Pinch-Run for Soriano
Sori should have been taken out of the game for a pinch-runner. Look, if he’s not going to run, put someone into the game who is. Sori very well could have been thrown at in his first at-bat in the second game, had he been taken out of the first game. The Cubs’ pinch-running for Sori would have sent a message right then and there that the Cubs will not tolerate his showboating and lack of hustle.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Aug 14, 2008 9:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
PIniella needed to send an “in-game” message and publicly humiliate Soriano. That would officially end all of this b.s.
by MDBNIU on Aug 14, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely ridiculous.
You never let disciplining a player get in the way of scoring runs and winning a game.
There’s BS here, but Lou isn’t in a position to officially end it, because it’s got nothing to do with him or Sori.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we all know how much mdbniu HATES Sori
so this is his chance to spew vemon about it. Just like he did about whether Sori should be hitting first or not.
For what ever reason he has a vendetta against him, he has for as long as I’ve been on this board.
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 14, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Publicly humiliate
Soriano?
Perhaps he should also be forced to write hundreds of pages of self-criticism and be sent to a re-education camp, as well.
by jbau on Aug 14, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bobby Cox is a great manager, right?
I forget who, but several years ago Cox took a right-fielder out of a game late because he played a ball on a bounce instead of catching it on the fly. It sends a quick message and then you run the guy out there for the next game.
by dr stabbingworth on Aug 14, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Public discipline, sure.
Especially in your case when it can be understood in context. In fact, might I even say Soriano would have been okay being pulled at that point—or at least he can comprehend the reason.
When I hear public humiliation, though, it’s quite a different context.
I guess the murkiness of the Beijing Olympics is coloring my interpretations.
by jbau on Aug 14, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All of these people who want to publically humilitate him.....
do you care that the Cubs are 15-6 since he came back? Really people this team has the best record in the NL. You want one of the important pieces publically humiliated? He said he was sorry.
Just b/c another manager has done this… it doesnt make it right.
Would you want your boss to do this to you?
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 14, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine he needed to get the message
but throwing at his head is typical Bobby Cox crap and I think it is BS. Someone oght to send a message back to the Braves IMO.
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by Kinky Reggae on Aug 14, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congratulations!
These are among the most ridiculous two sentences you’ve ever typed here – and you’ve typed hundreds.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 14, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano apologized - let it be
Soriano stepped up and admitted he was wrong. Let it die. He knows he screwed up. If he did not accept responsibility for his actions, thats one thing, but he did.
We all make mistakes – back off Sori.
by jselinger24 on Aug 14, 2008 9:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No he doesn't, period
I laugh at the ideas around here when something is said and/or done and some believe that’s all there is to the story. Don’t think one single minute that there were things said and done – BEHIND closed doors – that NONE of us heard or will hear about his episode.
Just because we don’t see or hear it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
Lou took care of it. This isn’t camp Dusty any more.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Aug 14, 2008 9:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As much as I appreciate and cheer for Soriano and ARam homers
I, too, shake my head in disgust when they stand at home plate and admire their shots or “not-shots” that end up singles or “close-play” doubles.
Lou should require ALL players to run out EVERYTHING. Do it the Sandberg way:
I was taught you never, ever disrespect your opponent or your teammates or your organization or your manager and never, ever your uniform. Make a great play — act like you’ve done it before. Get a big hit — look for the third base coach and — and — and get ready to run the bases. Hit a home run — put your head down, drop the bat, run around the bases, because the name on the front is more — a lot more important than the name on the back.
That’s respect.
I’ve seen Bonds admire his shots. I’ve seen Manny do it. It disgusts me! I don’t care how “valuable” the player is to the team, I dislike this gloating.
BTW: What’s up with Manny’s treads? Why does it take weeks to get a haircut? Now that he’s hitting homeruns, does he get an extended pass? [or more extensions?]
Ramirez said it was more important for him to fit in with his new club and not be given preferential treatment. Yeah, right. Then cut the treads!
Back to Soriano…he apologized. Good for him. Let’s see if he remembers to run immediately after his next shot.
"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."
by flachimesa on Aug 14, 2008 10:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't care less about the gloating...
Soriano or anyone else posing hurts the team. He should have been on second, at minimum. That’s the only concern I have with posing.
You don’t want the man to pose, strike him out. You don’t want the pitcher to pump his fist, get a hit.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what
you don’t want the umpire to be able to issue a technical balk? If a football player in the NFL celebrates overly, he gets a penalty. Turn those home runs into singles! UMPS 1 Cubs 0 Braves 0!
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care about posing or celebrating...
Just arguing. I think the NFL celebration rules are asinine.
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by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Soriano playing for Milwaukee or St. Louis would be violently hated by Cub fans
So lets not sit here and be hypocrits and say what Soriano does is just fine. His antics are bullshit. Standing in the batter box, the bunny hop in the outfield….. I GUARANTEE if he were member of the Brewers or Cardinals and did that bullshit against the Cubs then the majority of you would be screaming for Kerry Wood or Carlos Zambrano to throw a 96 MPH fastball to his skull.
by MDBNIU on Aug 14, 2008 10:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's right...
And I hated Edmonds for his flopping around like a fish too. I hated Rodman when he was with the Pistons. I think Pujols is one of the more overlooked posers.
And all was forgiven when Edmonds and Rodman came to my teams. If Pujols wants to ditch the hayseeds and come play for us, I’d forgive him his posing too.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no.
I would not. Throwing a ball at a players head is never called for, and when opposing players admire their crushed home-runs, I believe that that’s ok.
Because it works against them, just like that looong single of Sori’s worked against him. Let them embarrass themselves, let them get yelled at by their managers.
I’ve only seen TWO people call seriously for a beanball war. And I didn’t even take 10 days off from the blog.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
too funny drew
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 14, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reed Johnson on WSCR radio this moring said....
Said Soriano is Soriano in the same vain as Manny is Manny. Also said Lou and several of his teammates (led by Jim Edmonds) had a stern discussion with Soriano in the clubhouse. And finally he said that you don’t do stuff like that in a major league game. And I quote, “it’s bush league.” The subject is over according to Johnson.
by MDBNIU on Aug 14, 2008 10:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Edmonds led the discussion???
Oh man… Hello, Mr. Pot, this is Ms. Kettle — YOU’RE BLACK!!!
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by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting also...
Reed Johnson said that Mark DeRosa invited the entire team to come to his house on the rainout day. Said 22 of 25 teammates showed up and had a great time. Johnson, DeRosa and Mike Fontenot are best buddies.
by MDBNIU on Aug 14, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ooooh.... I wonder which 3 didn't make it
My money is on Soriano — too selfish; Ward — not enough food and Ramirez — got lost!
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by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another "LOL FAT" joke! Zing!!!
Watch out, airline food – you’re next on DaBard’s list!
by Wreckard on Aug 14, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're going to stalk me...
At least buy me flowers
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by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't flatter yourself.
I’m equal opportunity – I’m compelled to reply to any weak, poorly written, inaccurate or generally irredeemable posts I see.
You’re just on a roll lately.
by Wreckard on Aug 14, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm compelled to eat KFC
They put something in it that makes you crave it fortnightly.
I guess we all have our issues.
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by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny line
Reed Johnson said DeRosa is “way out over his skis with respect to his wife and his house” in the Atlanta burbs. Said DeRosa takes a lot of good natured ribbing on both subjects.
by MDBNIU on Aug 14, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
then why the hell
are you still talking about it?
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is!
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 14, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, what the hell do you want us to do?
by daily2b on Aug 14, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
May I have ten thousand marbles, please?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 14, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This mission
is on DOUBLE SECRET status!
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just don't give my love some flowers.
Proud recipient of a hot dog shot from the Iowa Cubs hot dog gun.
by IowaCubs- on Aug 14, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No beanball wars please
1)There is no way Lilly can get away with it tonight. He would be jacked in a second and with a DH yesterday and Marshall on Sunday we can’t tax the bullpen.
2)You don’t want a brawl where Lilly and other cubs get ejected/suspended and/or hurt. This season is too important and it is not like we have put the Suds away yet.
The best way to get back at them is to KTA tonight. If we win tonight, we sweep the season series. Statement made…
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on Aug 14, 2008 12:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1000!!!!!
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In 1920, the ball would have gone at a head
And there wouldn’t have been any namby-pamby whining about it.
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by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in 1920
the ball was like a hackysack.
You think the Yankees of the 20s went around beaning players to make a statement? No. They won. A lot.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So did Bob Gibson...
We know his feelings on the matter. But that’s right, you’re only old-school when it suits you.
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by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you only tout "old-school" when it suits you as well...isn't "headhunting" a tradition worth retiring too?
Really….your whole “bean-ball” infatuation seems a little too testosterone driven.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 14, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
For being such a “progressive” thinker on how the game of baseball should change, you sure like hanging on to traditions. Oh wait, traditions that create laughter, smiles, and contentment are BAD… But traditions that adovocate violence, bad sportsmenship, and hurt are GOOD.
by StevenABQ on Aug 14, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Managers can't argue
but they CAN send out pitchers to throw 95 mph fastballs at other players’ heads.
That’s a FIVE Technical Balk Penalty!
UMPS WIN! UMPS WIN! Umps 7, Cubs 0, Braves 0!!!!!!
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just for a moment, ignoring your obsession with violence
In 1920, there wouldn’t have been a bench-clearing brawl or suspensions drawn out.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 14, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+100000 badger for making logical sense
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 14, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very well said.
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on Aug 14, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just really hope
that coming down on Soriano like this doesn’t cause some kind of batting issues on his part—Say he is too worried about hustling out of the batters’ box that he messes up his swing. I see the problem with what he did, I don’t understand why it is such a big issue. It didn’t cost the game, and he realized on his own that it was a mistake. Just let Sori concentrate on hitting bombs since that is kinda what he does best.
by adam316 on Aug 14, 2008 1:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Obviously his coach
and team mates thought it was a big issue since they all talked to him about it. Geo has no problem with running to first base after he hits the ball. Soriano shouldn’t either.
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on Aug 14, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree
but they are different people. They react differently.
As long as we win, I don’t see this as a big deal. Sori ran right out of the box for his double in the night game. Let’s see what happens today. But as long as we win, this isn’t a big deal.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, we should have
Lou bend him over his knee and paddle his butt. But seriously I think this is way less of a big deal than when he was unable to catch a routine fly ball in the outfield. No, I actually agree with you totally drewish.
by adam316 on Aug 14, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's made several good plays lately
his legs look STRONG LIKE BULL and his bat is hitting the ball fairly nicely.
Although I envisioned SWL doing something like your first sentence.
Let’s win. He’s a frontline player, and we need him to be smart; I’m sure this incident will have an effect.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano
also danced in left field to the braves PA music. He continually acknowledged all of us Cubs fans in the left field stands. He had fun, and made a cocky mistake. I’ll take the swagger. The day was awesome. We went to the early game, then left to go to a Jack Johnson concert. Going back tonight. Let’s sweep, and leave inner team politics to the manager and players.
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue." - George F. Will
by Slakkr on Aug 14, 2008 1:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not retaliation
the point isn’t retaliation or being old school. the point is protecting our players. the braves think they can throw at soriano’s head and nothing will happen. they’ve done it three series in a row. they’ll keep doing it until we protect soriano.
brian mccann needs to be made to feel very uncomfortable in the batter’s box the next few times he comes to the plate. then maybe he can have a word or two with his pitchers about headhunting.
otherwise it doesn’t end.
by billywan on Aug 14, 2008 2:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
May the circle be unbroken!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 14, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but something has happened.
they’ve lost five games straight to us. Tonight, they’ll probably lose again.
it ends when we sweep the season series, and go on to the post season, and the Braves are left with a half-empty stadium and a losing record.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hope you're right
but i don’t trust their pitching staff. they’re far too willing to throw at people’s heads.
again, i’m not interested in retaliation. and if we can win and get out of town without incident that would be the best outcome.
by billywan on Aug 14, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
our guys
can duck. We can’t control them. Even throwing back can’t control them.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is why
the traditional approach is to throw at their catcher. he presumably has some influence over his pitchers. and sooner or later he’s gonna get tired of getting bruises up and down his back.
and as talented as soriano is, he appears to be a pretty crappy ducker.
by billywan on Aug 14, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the traditional approach
was to win ball games.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tough to do
if your star players keep having hand bones broken…
by billywan on Aug 14, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
keep having?
it happened once.
Give over.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's bound to happen again
any of these pitches thrown up and in could’ve broken a hand. or hit him in the head.
we just have a fundamental difference in our worldview. i say the braves will keep throwing up and in to soriano. and some of those pitches are going to find finger bones to break and helmets to crack. the only recourse is to either throw at their stars (which ends up in fights and suspensions) or to throw at their catcher. there isn’t really another option.
your worldview says we can just ignore it and hope it doesn’t happen again.
but we agree that winning tonight would be the best outcome, so there’s that.
by billywan on Aug 14, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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