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Soriano needs to be disciplined

Alfonso Soriano not running out of the batter box on what he thought was a home run today was inexcusable.   It's not the first time this garbage has happened with Soriano.   And I understand completely why Bobby Cox and the Braves might be peeved off and want to fire a fastball into Soriano's earhole the next chance they get.  

My admiration and support of Lou Piniella is unwavering.   But he has horrible blind spot with Soriano that needs to end.   What needed to happen today was for Piniella to PUBLICLY make spectacle of Soriano.   Like in the same vein as Billy Martin yanked Reggie Jackson from a game in 1977 when Reggie played a ball hit to right field on about the 50th hop.   Sweet Lou was on that team by the way.   Because obviously Soriano isn't getting the message via other means.  

If my detractors want to make this an argument of me having long-standing disdain for Soriano, then so be it.   This viewpoint of mine has nothing to do with overall opinion of Soriano.   I would say the same thing if it were Ryan Theriot who did what happened today. 

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Bruce wrote about this

http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/376

“I talked to Alfonso about it,” Lou said. “I told him that he’s one of our leaders here and there’s no need for that. He agrees and he says it won’t happen again. It’s over.”

“I apologized to him, and I apologized to my teammates,” Soriano said. “I said that’s not going to happen again, and I apologized to him.”

by John Q Freejazz on Aug 13, 2008 5:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

my guess is that this will not be a problem

going down to Aram as well. Being publicly embarrassed will do much, apologizing to the team is significant, and I bet the Kangaroo Court led by DLee and Wood will be in session as well.

Not to worry MDBNIU…..I am not worried.

BTW Atlanta disciplined him also, headhunting…..

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Aug 13, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pleased to hear this...

...that said this is not the first occurrence of Alfonso Soriano acting like a hotdog. So while he said all the right things today I’m not so sure he won’t do the same damned thing down the road. One thing I’ve learned about Soriano is that he needs an outlet for the showman inside him, ala Sam-ME Steroid. Maybe Soriano should dispense with the antics in the batter’s box and instead blow kisses from the dugout. I’d be more comfortable with that.

by MDBNIU on Aug 13, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He did flash the peace sign to Dan Uggla a few weeks ago after hitting a homer

That kind of counts as blowing a kiss. Alfonso has a lot of hot dog in him, thats just who he is. Nothing Lou does is gonna change that. Call him selfish or whatever, but the guy can play baseball and is a real good clubhouse presence.

Look at the picture on this site from Blanco’s walkoff win. Soriano is the first player out to hug Blanco.

He may do some things that will anger a lot of baseball people, but he is a great player and a great teammate. I see no harm in him showing off a little, though today’s little showing wasn’t his finest moment.

Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs

by nji232 on Aug 13, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great teammate

Agreed. Soriano is a showoff, a hotdog, whatever – and I agree with the general idea that he has to run everything out at all times. Still, a lot of the showoff-ness is borne out of a genuine excitement about the game – much like Z fist-pumping after a critical strikeout.

Moreover, Soriano really gets the same amount of excitement out of his teammates successes – how many photos have we seen of Soriano running (leaping) out to high-five a teammate after their walkoff hit. I remember after particularly critical hit Cliff Floyd had last year while Soriano was on the DL, Soriano was standing on the top step of the dugout pointing and yelling at Floyd on first base, saying something like “YOU! YOU DID IT!”

He seems like the kind of guy who is happy after a win in which he goes 0-4, and down after a loss in which he goes 3-4 with 3 RBI. He plays with emotion, and that’s going to get the best of him on occasion. And as long as that emotion drives him to greatness, I don’t think that any of us will care all that much.

by D98 on Aug 13, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

DEROSA: How did it feel when you're sitting in Baton Rouge and it came across the ticker that Mark DeRosa had just signed to play second base with the Chicago Cubs.

THERIOT: In all honestly, when I saw it, I really felt like punching you right in the mouth and or breaking your leg.

by EJThunder on Aug 13, 2008 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't hear Lou making an excuse for it, which I think is the best that one can ask for...

...given that the same team hit him previously AND the hotdogging did not cost the Cubs a game. A manager has a tough job and he has to push the right buttons at the right time. Managing these egos isn’t easy. I think it would have done more harm than good for Lou to yank him or to go ape sh&* in the media afterwards. While the actions are unacceptable there are mitigating factors here—the Braves knocked him out before and it didn’t cost anything. That doesn’t make the actions acceptable but it does mean that Lou should respond with restraint.

by DudeVf11 on Aug 13, 2008 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Five Homeruns

For punishment he should have to hit five consecutive homers, that’ll teach him.

Honestly though, I agree that it’s maddening. Ramirez used to do this, but was likely protecting his hamstrings. If he’s going to admire a shot it better be an upper-deck or a Waveland shot, but looking at those barely homers (or lonf singles) can come back to bite you big time.

I see in the post above that he apologized. Hopefully this doesn’t happen again. Be glad that it didn’t happen at a critical time and move forward.

by WittyUserName on Aug 13, 2008 5:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

IMO

They threw at him for attempting a steal up 6 runs. Thats what Hughes thought, thats what Otto though and thats what I thought.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Aug 13, 2008 5:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Atlanta was pissed off because of the steal attempt, hence why Bueno was gunning for Soriano.

by MDBNIU on Aug 13, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Old school of though

Up 6 runs after the 6th. Or is it up 6 runs in the 6th or later. Either way, Cox is old school baseball.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Aug 13, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I agree with Bobby Cox

It would piss me off too if a known flashy player on the opposition was stealing bases with the Cubs having the game well in hand against a meager and beaten up opponent.

by MDBNIU on Aug 13, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im not opposed to the reaction of the Braves

.....im opposed to the location of the pitch.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Aug 13, 2008 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you NEVER give up an opportunity.

The Cubs came back from being down 9-1 to win a game. You ALWAYS take your opportunities. Baseball 101.

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 13, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta agree here

Boston was up on Texas yesterday 10-0 after the first inning and then was down 15-14 at one point. My philosophy is this, when the other team stops trying to score, so will I. Until then, I’m going to keep at them.

Also remember, today that Marquis was pitching as well. He has a tendency to pitch well and then just implode. You don’t take any chances.

"Dad gum right this games gonna be played under protest. . . I guarantee this is gonna be one protest that's upheld." --Hawk Harrelson, 6/24/07

by RynoHoF on Aug 13, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it that situation

you do. our best player who is having trouble staying healthy and rarely steals cause he cant run well anymore shouldnt being attempting a steal that is unless he’s tried to show them up. I agree he probably was and we dont need pitchers from a playoff team with nothing to play for, throwing fastballs at our players pie holes.

from the mouth of Uecker:

"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."

by cubsluver22 on Aug 13, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

non-playoff team that is

from the mouth of Uecker:

"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."

by cubsluver22 on Aug 13, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what are you talking about?

he’s back from the DL, and his legs are finally healthy. OF COURSE we want him to steal!!!

And he’s doing REALLY well at it. Has he been CS once since coming back from the DL? I don’t think he has.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 13, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

are u serious

we want our star player who stays hurt because of hamstrings-stealing a base-6 runs up against a crappy team. i mean heck if we cant hold a 6 run lead against the braves then we have no business worrying about the playoffs. only I want sori doing is swinging that bat and making routine plays. stay healthy and in tune for the playoff run. nothing spectacular and no unwarranted chances.

from the mouth of Uecker:

"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."

by cubsluver22 on Aug 13, 2008 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll say to you

what I’ll say to SouthernCub.

6 runs is not a huge lead. Look at what happened to the Red Sox. Look at what we did to Colorado. Stealing bases successfully builds his confidence. He needs to run. We go for EVERY scoring chance we can get. Wins are the ONLY statistic that counts.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

drew

what are you mlb credentials?? cause obviously you know way more than everyone here. your opinion should override everyone else’s!

yeahhhh right—-stop with your know it all snarky comments all the time. if you knew what you thought you know—you would be working for a major media outlet or in the mlb in some capacity.

if we cant hold a 6-run lead against the braves then we dont belong in the playoffs period. no way no how should our injury riddled star player being trying to steal a base in that sitiaution period.

from the mouth of Uecker:

"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."

by cubsluver22 on Aug 14, 2008 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last year, the Rockies

went deep into the playoffs.

This year, they had a 9-1 lead on us in the 9th inning, and we came back and won the game.

We should be able to beat any team on any given day — but the same holds for every other team! The 1926 Yankees lost games, there’s no reason we can’t lose games either. Six runs is NOT THAT MUCH. You always take an opportunity to score runs. Look at what happened last night — up 11-4, then suddenly, up 11-7. You think Bobby Howry is going to get released? Think again.

He’s not injury riddled.

I’m ignoring the rest of your post, as it’s irrelevant.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 15, 2008 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

obviously you just dont get it

I will make one more attempt to teach you morals of baseball.

you are right—you always take opportunities to score but you do it by station to station baseball and with the bat. You dont kick a bad team when you have them down big. If you knock em in thats fine.

There are things you just dont do up big— like stretch doubles into triples or steal bases or “gloat” on a HR etc.

Last person in the world we need stealing a base up 6 runs against a “AAA team” is bad hamstring sori.

Another example is last night after Kotsay got the cycle I read somewhere he was asked about his prior big game in which on his last AB, he needed a triple for the cycle and he had his chance to get it but “stopped” at 2nd base. They asked why didnt you go ahead and get the triple—his response was something along the line of so and so was on the mound(basically the pitcher sucked and was struggling)!! that drew is good baseball. Did Kotsay pass up an opportunity to score a run? NO!! But he exercised good baseball morals.

Karma has a way of rearing its ugly head and punishing players for things like this.

from the mouth of Uecker:

"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."

by cubsluver22 on Aug 15, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

morals of baseball?

I think you and DeBard need to go bowling.

There’s only one statistic that matters: Wins. You do what you need to do to get those wins. A six run lead is not amazingly huge, not today.

Kotsay was a FRAKING idiot if he actually pulled up at second rather than going for a triple because he felt bad for the opposing pitcher. The Braves were LOSING TERRIBLY. You don’t go for third because you don’t want to get thrown out.

Therefore, I’m calling you out. You say you read it somewhere. I say you’re making it up. And if you’re not making it up, that makes Kotsay a BAD BASEBALL PLAYER.

That’s BAD baseball. You go for the WIN.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 15, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wanting him to steal bases in general is different...

wanting him to steal bases with a huge lead late in the game is an unnecessary risk.

by SouthernCub on Aug 14, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll say to you

what I said to cubsluver22.

6 runs is not a huge lead. Look at what happened to the Red Sox. Look at what we did to Colorado. Stealing bases successfully builds his confidence. He needs to run. We go for EVERY scoring chance we can get. Wins are the ONLY statistic that counts.

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just goes to show...

We can agree.

In today’s game, no lead is truly safe.

I didn’t see the game? They threw at Soriano’s head? Someone needs to go down hard for that.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 13, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No they don't.

That kind of thinking is just stupid.

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 13, 2008 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha ha, you used his word.

Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.

by N Oakley on Aug 14, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we beat the Braves

in two straight games IN THE SAME DAY. Outscored them 18-2.

They went down hard, and we didn’t even have to throw the ball at anyone’s head.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 13, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just because the Braves quit

Doesn’t mean we have to. I am so very tired of the “running up the score” nonsense.

The Braves have a surefire method of stopping Soriano from stealing. It’s called the catcher making a good throw and the 2nd baseman making a good tag.

If the Braves only want to play 6 innings and have mercy rules, I’m sure the Cubs would love the time off.

Ask no mercy, give no mercy.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cox was already tossed.

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Aug 14, 2008 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't really like that concept

when you’re up six, quit being aggressive. and if they come back and win, we’re asked why we pulled off the throttle. when atlanta is so far behind, they send in julian tavarez, we’ll quit running. that’s what i say.

by tim815 on Aug 14, 2008 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That I don't like

I can understand being annoyed at stealing with a 6 run lead. But it was a full count if I recall correctly. That’s more about staying out of the double play than it is trying to steal a base.

If they wanna brush him for posing, I understand. But for going on a 3-2 pitch, is that really kosher?

by WittyUserName on Aug 13, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I take back my good for Cox

if it was a 3-2 pitch. I was riding bike, after 6-1.
Sori had his hand broke against these knuckleheads.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Aug 13, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea if I remember right

It was not only a full count, but also two outs…why wouldn’t he be running?

by rea5661 on Aug 13, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He wasn't stealing. It was a WP.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Aug 13, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Edmonds had a nice

look at his double that for some reason he thought was out. I am not defending Soriano, hell half the players don’t run out groundballs or foul balls. If Cox threw at Sori because of the steal attempt, good for Cox.
Looks like it was addressed, properly, not in the dugout so everyone can see it, Sori stood up and apologized. I take his word, and lets move on.
As long as the clubhouse is on board, thats all that matters to me. Lets worry about the second game of the doubleheader, and the Brewers maybe losing a game for once.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Aug 13, 2008 5:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good for Cox

Bad for Beuno. NEVER (especially rookies making their debut and gettting hit HARD) should you throw at someones head. IMO—-thats bullshit and borderline criminal if its intentional.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Aug 13, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ryan Theriot would never, ever do what Soriano did today

He can’t get that close to hitting a home run.

by Leon Durham on Aug 13, 2008 5:20 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

WRONG

Just the other day I saw Theriot posing on a perfect bunt. He was thrown out by 65 feet——later intentionally walked in retaliation.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Aug 13, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Calm down, BlueMike.

That was just Alfonso being Alfonso. It’s amazing how, after all this time, you still haven’t figured out that Soriano is the type of player with whom you take the good with the bad. (Or maybe you have figured it out and you just want something [else] to complain about. Yeah, that’s probably it.) He’s hit 262 home runs in his career thus far, and he knows when he got all of one.

Er, well, he usually knows. Sometimes he gets it wrong and ends up looking like an idiot. He apologized to Lou and my guess is, Alfonso is not going to make the same mistake again for a while. And if the Braves were retaliating for Soriano trying to steal with a six-run lead, well, that’s ridiculous. Six runs isn’t all that much. And it’s not Alfonso’s fault they suck petrified donkey balls this year.

OK, I feel better. Back to my vacation…

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 13, 2008 5:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed.

not a big deal, IMO.

by tal1286 on Aug 13, 2008 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree

but there’s something to be said for some forced humble pie ;-}

by Emelie on Aug 13, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh

I think he’ll be running out of the batters box for the rest of the season.

I have to wonder if he’s lost a little power. He’s posed on more than one off-the-wall shot that he thought was a sure HR.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 13, 2008 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

absolutely agree. also, you don’t throw at a guy when the last time you played against him, you broke his damn hand on a HBP. no matter what he does, posing, whatever. that’s just classless, and honestly, I’m not a violent person nor do I want to start a beanball-fest…but I hope Reed comes in spikes up tonight on a play at 2nd. They deserve it.

by PrincetonCubs on Aug 13, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree

Just hit one of their guys in the butt and be done with it.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Aug 13, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that works too

but then the pitcher gets ejected…as we all found out last year, umps do nothing about rough plays at 2nd during Cubs/Braves games…

by PrincetonCubs on Aug 13, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a different crew

and although I dont like Joe West he should know the Cubs are going to retaliate and the teams are warned and then its over.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Aug 13, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

completely agree dat

we seem to be agreeing more and more lately…...let sori be himself, if you try to change him he isn’t going to be the allstar he is

leave him alone about the jump catches

leave him alone about not hustling

LEAVE HIM ALONE!!!!

by cubswynn on Aug 13, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory

by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 13, 2008 6:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Im confused

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"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Aug 13, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think what MDBNIU is suggesting is

completely reactionary and short sighted. He hates Fonzi and he is letting his irrational hostility gets in the way of what is best for this club.

Thus even this bear thinks he’s ridiculous.

Lou sent his message today through the press and that should take care of it. Acting like Billy Martin will only hurt this team.

Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory

by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 13, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this really frustrates me

we are playing so great this year, why do fans always have to find something to complain about…...WHY?

by cubswynn on Aug 13, 2008 6:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You have too many "..."

It’s three not six…check yourself!

:)

Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory

by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 13, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For an ellipsis, yes.

For a “dot leader”, not necessarily.

by MN exile on Aug 13, 2008 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

sorry when i post thoughts it’s just that, thoughts out-loud on a webpage…...hmm that seems weird…...but i, like sori, take your comments in stride and say i apologize…...........

by cubswynn on Aug 14, 2008 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I won't ..................................................

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Where’s the Ellipsis Police? Come get me coppers ..

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Aug 14, 2008 6:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coppers?

What is this Dick Tracy? Who are you prune face?

by StevenABQ on Aug 14, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

they'll never take him alive, see?

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ack ack ack ack ack ack ack ack!

mobster? or…

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm never in favor of throwing at anyone.

What’s the point? Yeah, I know, to “send a message”. Send a message by playing winning baseball. And throwing at someone’s head is something that should never, ever be done.

That said, Soriano is maddening. I hate when he does stuff like that, and I thank him for apologizing and doing the right thing. This issue is done, and ought to be.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 13, 2008 6:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's done with Sori..

but not with the Braves. Someone needs to wake up tommorrow with a baseball-sized bruise in the middle of their back.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 13, 2008 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stupid idea.

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 13, 2008 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

Are you in favor of the Cubs being used for target practice?

You stand up to a bully. You don’t cower and say, “Please don’t hurt me!”

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 13, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We've had players hit

before and Lou does not retaliate. I guess Lou would rather show them by beating them. Why have your players get ejected when you need them to be on the field?

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 13, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LSA

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 14, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because without sending the message

That our pitchers are willing to protect our hitters, it will just continue.

And hands will get broken again.

I don’t want a pitcher to take a killshot. I want a ball in the middle of someone’s back, or across the butt-tocks.

We can survive one or two games without a middle reliever. I don’t fancy going into the postseason with Soriano on the DL again.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We retalliated last year...

and it got Fontenot almost killed and they STILL broke Soriano’s hand this year (on what I don’t think was an intentional HBP in the first place, by the way). Sending a message doesn’t really do as much as you think it does.

by SouthernCub on Aug 14, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, the way to make that happen

is CERTAINLY to start a beaning war.

Not.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, what's your solution?

Do nothing and watch the Cubs players get used for target practice?

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, in 1920 someone got killed by a pitch.

Want that to happen again? I think your attitude on this issue is reprehensible.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 14, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+100000000000

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 14, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And in the 60s and 70s...

Pitchers like Gibson and Ryan were celebrated for their willingness to throw chin music.

My attitude is reprehensible? If so, a lot of other people had the same attitude.

By the way, the Cubs did exactly what I wanted. No ejections, no injuries, no trouble.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if the Cubs had done exactly what you wanted

Lilly and Lou would have both been thrown out of the game.

It was not purposeful.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do you know?

You trust the umps?

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

WIN GAMES.

The ultimate solution.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1000

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 14, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re-sign Farnsworth

so he can hit someone then plant them with a nice Butkus-style tackle about 5-6 feet from the plate. Will that work?

:^)

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Aug 14, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is how suspensions happen...

I don’t want Soriano or anyone else for that matter to miss any more valuable time. Not only that, but it’s just bad karma. What goes around comes around, you know? Might as well take the high road. Sometimes, that makes the best “statement.”

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by IowaCubs- on Aug 14, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A suspension will last

three games at most.

A DL trip is a lot longer.

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by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thank God

you are not the coach of this team. Violence does not solve anything. Why in the hell you would want any of our players ejected or suspended is beyond me. Seriously some of your opinions are waaaaaaaaaaaaaay out there.

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 14, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Violence solves all kinds of things

That’s one of the goofiest cliches out there. Violence solves quite a bit in this world.

It is very simple. The Braves apparently think it’s perfectly fine to trot some rookie meatball out there to throw at Soriano’s head. That is absolutely unacceptable.

So, the Cubs should trot someone out there today, late in the game, to put one somewhere below the shoulders.

It’s about protecting your hitters. Teams have to be made to understand that the Cubs hitters are not sitting ducks.

The ump may or may not eject the pitcher. It’s his discretion. If the pitch is at the butt instead of the shoulders, he may just warn him. At the very most, there will be a short suspension and a fine.

You carry on like we’re going to lose Zambrano for a month, the ivy will be ripped down, the team will move to Racine and Ron Santo will lose his voice if someone throws a pitch at some Brave’s butt.

Perhaps you enjoyed seeing the ball going behind Soriano’s head yesterday. I did not. I don’t wish to see it again. Perhaps you do.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You carry on

like a 12 year old child. The Cubs can take care of the throw toSoriano by beating the Braves which they did twice yesterday. A sweep tonight would be restitution.

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 14, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you honestly think

the Braves give a damn at this point about losses?

If the Cubs win 12-0, but some Brave pitcher puts a Cub hitter out of commission, I guarantee you 80 percent of those fans go home happy.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

only if they think like you.

and I think we’re all pretty aware how unlikely that is.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why do you think the Cubs need to send a message that they aren't sitting ducks?

This isn’t target practice. Points aren’t awarded for hit batters.

If they were being thrown at for no reason, fine. Retaliate. This one’s over, though, and there is nothing to be gained.

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 14, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is never a good reason...

to go up to someone’s skull, like they tried with Soriano. I don’t care if he does triple back springs around the bases. I don’t care if a pitcher strips naked on the mound after a strikeout. I don’t care if someone steals with a 99-1 lead.

I don’t want a Cub going at someone’s head. The buttocks will be just fine.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't give a damn

about the Braves or their fans. All I care about are the Cubs and that they are winning.

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 14, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LSA

and that we stay healthy

from the mouth of Uecker:

"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."

by cubsluver22 on Aug 14, 2008 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

remember this is the same person

who repeatly in a posts ripped Josh Hamilton to pieces for get positive press b/c crack heads shouldnt get props for cleaning up there act. Thinks women gymnatics is like pro wrestling

So lets consider the source.

"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.

by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 14, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The average person on here

Wouldn’t hire a recovering addict…

Wouldn’t want their son or daughter dating a recovering addict…

Wouldn’t want a recovering addict living next door…

Wouldn’t want one teaching their child… Hell, wouldn’t want one mopping the floors of their child’s school.

But are all happy that one is hitting a baseball. It’s hypocritical.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would bet

money you are in the minority. You don’t believe people can change and make themselves better? I can see by all of your posts you don’t live in the real world. I hope you don’t expect your children to be perfect because you will be a very disappointed man.

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 14, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're wrong.

There’s no difference between a recovering addict and a recovering cancer patient.

And YOU said you’d be happy if he played for the Cubs!!!!!

Talk about hypocritical!

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would you like to do some research

on the employment rate of people with criminal records?

And you’re right, drew, if he played for the Cubs, I’d root for him. And the second he fell off the wagon, I’d want him gone.

When he stops being useful to the team, he stops being useful to me as a fan.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're all heart, DaBard

and no brain.

being a drug addict =/= being a criminal.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and your views on this reflect a deep ignorance of addiction

I’ve listened to you spout off and told myself over and over not to respond but I can’t do it anymore.
I am a recovering addict, I have lived with the sickness of addiction.
I come from a family of good people who also had addictions in thier lives.
I fought my addiction with the help of good friends and I hope that after 20 years I can still stay clean. I fight the pull of cocaine every day.
I have raised a family and I have a great career.
On the down side I have lost friends and family members to addiction.
2 uncles to liver problems from alcohol.
Cousins to overdoses.
I lost my daughter in a car accident- the other driver was drunk and high- he wasn’t injured
Until you can stand in the shoes of an addict and understands the demons that we endure every single day you have absolutely no right to pontificate on the subject.

If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.

by carolinacub on Aug 15, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

they have two

Losses in a single day instead. that’s even better. That whole team shows up for baseball completely demoralized tomorrow. We have a real chance to sweep the entire season series.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 13, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and I will have a sweep broom with me tommorrow in section 121

I can’t stand Atlanta .. I want to see them twist in the wind.

I want to see Tom Glavine get lit UP. I want to see every “Bravo” fan shift unhappily in their seats when the Cubs pile it on. I want to high five every Cub fan in sight I see.

I have been to so many darn games here in Atlanta to watch the Cubs win and have never seen them win ONCE here yet. Tonight, I am intent on seeing it. I cannot wait to be there .. and sing “Go Cubs Go” at the top of my lungs with the W flag with all the other Cubs Nation there ..

I am so done with their feckless fan base around here that shows up around the third inning and leaves after the 7th and that blasted Chop thing and everything else. I watched the Mets bury the Cubs in 1969 and I’ve never forgotten. I watched the Braves knock the Cubs off 10 years ago in 1998.

I am out today to see the Cubs win AND get some revenge. Let that collection of fading veterans and AAA players provide more batting practice for us. Let Reed Johnson and Ward start a game ..

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Aug 14, 2008 6:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You sound Like...

Ned Yost. I do believe some brewer fans will never forget last year when Yost decided to throw at Pujols in a game to retaliate – which ended up costing them the game.

I am not saying i am not a supporter of throwing at people (i have done it), because i think sometimes it is warranted. But when you have a winning team, you look past it. The mental side of the game is fragile and occasionally tough to recover from bad things – so just avoid them.

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by HIGGY on Aug 14, 2008 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

okay Al, it's maddening....

but we are cubs fans, not bosox fans…....we have to let this guy (for right or wrong) be the guy who he is or else we will lose him

my point is, we may not like it, but we have to grin and bare it or risk pissing him off enough that he wants to leave

the man produces and no matter what we think, that is all that matters

by cubswynn on Aug 14, 2008 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's B.S.

it’s called respect. For the game, your teammates, the opponent. There should be no special rules for certain guys because they have talent. Should every team that T.O has played for accept his bullshit? No.

Some guys have class, some don’t. I’ve heard Soriano is a great guy and teammate, so I’m even more surprised he hotdogs it.

Demp and Rich: proof that people that live in igloos and say "eh" can contibute!

by Canadian Cubs Fan on Aug 14, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why shouldn't you admire a homerun

granted in this case it wasn’t a homer and sori looked like an idiot……HOWEVER he if he hits a homerun, why shouldn’t he celebrate it….it’s not like he was pointing at the other team and rubbing it in, rather he was happy with himself

by cubswynn on Aug 14, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Celebrate it with

your team mates when you get back to the dug out.

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 14, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

then we’re talking to a LOT more players than just Soriano.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't like

any player not running out of the box when they hit the ball.

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 14, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so say someone hits a monster homerun

you still want them booking it down to first?!?

by cubswynn on Aug 14, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now your being a little silly....

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 14, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want them

running the bases. They get paid to do that.

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 14, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no good grief man

its common sense man not rocket science. you can watch the hr fly out of the park with a non-shalant drop of the bat and a descent jog. no need to flip the bat like a pre-madonna and stand at the plate and watch it go out. the braves are a horrible team destined for vacation in a couple of months. there is absolutely no need to kick dirt in their face why they are down.

from the mouth of Uecker:

"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."

by cubsluver22 on Aug 14, 2008 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, when

you’re a major league player, and you hit home-runs, you can watch your home-runs go out of the park any way you want.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 15, 2008 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

amen

why is it your decision how soriano reacts…..he is a grown man and can do whatever he wants…..i hate that our society is trying to force their own morals and values on someone else all the time

when you folks become major leaguers and start hitting homeruns, you can run the bases the way you want to, until then let the man do what he wants

by cubswynn on Aug 15, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

This is NOT the time of year to be getting into a bean-ball war. The Braves have nothing to lose and we have everything to lose. If Soriano would have gotten hit with that pitch and missed some time because of it, this whole situation would have been devastating.

by Mapmaker on Aug 14, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He apologized and it's over.

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 13, 2008 6:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Some people OVER react to everything.

The Cubs won the game and are winning game two. Be happy and stop finding stupid things to bitch about.

by cubswin on Aug 13, 2008 7:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Of geese and gander

And I quote (sorta):

Right under your nose sits one of the greatest managers of this generation and you can’t let it go that the arguably the best Cub team over the past 99 years did apparent horrendous injustice in not disciplining Alfonso Soriano. Unbelievable.

Either it’s okay to express disapproval of Lou’s management decisions or it’s not. I’m going to take this post as agreement that it’s ok. I mean this is a Cub discussion forum after all. We should be able to be critical of a manager.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Aug 13, 2008 7:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fine, for discussion sake, I feel the

constant second guessing and continual criticism is stupid and meaningless.

by cubswin on Aug 13, 2008 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

eh

That’s really lame to be doing that. Hopefully, he’s truthful and won’t do it again. He’s been one of my favorite players on the team… that will change if ego gets involved.

by TheHawkRules on Aug 13, 2008 7:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Heroes

One day I hear Michael Barret talking during an interview and I realized that he was not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Over time I realized the same thing about a lot of the players. They can whack a ball with a stick really hard and that’s what they get paid to do. There are guys like Doug Glanville as an exception to the rule, but for the most part, they’re not out there to solve equations or write books.

At first I was a little disappointed, but then I came to the conclusion that whatever they do between the lines is the only thing that matters and if these guys are idiots or egomaniacs or whatever, who cares? That’s why I don’t hate Barry Bonds. Who cares about all that other junk. You have to ignore that stuff and just cheer for your guys when they win your team a division title.

by dr stabbingworth on Aug 13, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soriano

is actually pretty smart. Dood can speak three languages, including Japanese which has a completely different ALPHABET. You can’t be stupid and do that.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 13, 2008 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, you can

Not saying he is stupid, but I’ve met people that aren’t going to make it to Mensa anytime soon that can speak Chinese and English.

I don’t think he’s fluent in Japanese.

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 13, 2008 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he was fluent enough

to live there and talk to Dome.

I don’t know if he can do calculus, but he’s no dummy.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 13, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't mean to say anyone in particular is dumb

But when I realized that my perception of all ballplayers was wrong, I stopped caring about what they did outside the lines. It makes the game more enjoyable to not get wrapped up stupid things like Arod’s latest scandal or HGH or perjury, etc.

by dr stabbingworth on Aug 14, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LSA!

that my friend is a rational thought and sometimes I wonder how much reason goes on between the ears of a few of the people who post here.

Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
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by bubbamike the one and only on Aug 14, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone notice on Sori's double in game 2?

He started Cadillacing again—then all of a sudden, had an “Oh, s**t” moment and started running.

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 13, 2008 8:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Shut your trap Jay Mariotti

Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory

by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 13, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe brewcrew's

was being sarcastic?

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 13, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now that would be too easy :)

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"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Aug 13, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hot dogging

is the wrong way to play the game. plain and simple. that said, he apologized, got embarrassed on baseball tonight and will probably face some kangaroo court punishment. it’s not really a benching offense in my mind.

but what is absolutely ridiculous is the braves pitching staff the last two years against the cubs, and more specifically with regards to soriano. remember last year they threw at soriano’s head, earlier this year threw at his head and broke his hand and now threw at his head again. unforgivable. there are only two possible answer here: either bobby cox is getting old and has lost his team, or bobby cox is a worthless, dirty headhunter of a manager. tired of these punks playing bush league baseball.

by billywan on Aug 13, 2008 9:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps

It was just a rookie pitcher who ment to throw at his ribs and missed?

C.C.+Feilder+Gagne=The brewers just ran out of XXXL Jerseys

by jds2 on Aug 13, 2008 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

perhaps

but the trend suggests that atlanta pitchers have no problem throwing at heads.

i would suggest the burden of proof is on them. three straight series they’ve thrown at soriano’s head. i have no problem pitching him up and in if he has a hole in his swing there. but the trend suggests they are throwing at his head, not that it’s a mistake.

by billywan on Aug 14, 2008 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe we shouldn't tempt the baseball gods

And just let Sori “rest” tomorrow. Its our last game against Atlanta, and I would hate to see him get hurt.

by SuperContext on Aug 13, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

who plays left?

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 13, 2008 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a hard time believing

Cox would have had someone throw at Soriano if they were winning.

Their retaliation was more out of frustration if you ask me.

Soriano definitely should have hustled on the play but there is no reason to blow this out of proportion.

DEROSA: How did it feel when you're sitting in Baton Rouge and it came across the ticker that Mark DeRosa had just signed to play second base with the Chicago Cubs.

THERIOT: In all honestly, when I saw it, I really felt like punching you right in the mouth and or breaking your leg.

by EJThunder on Aug 13, 2008 9:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

EJThunder,

Blue Mike. Blue Mike, EJThunder.

EJ, this is what Blue Mike DOES.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 13, 2008 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep... I gotcha. Just felt the need to reply.

DEROSA: How did it feel when you're sitting in Baton Rouge and it came across the ticker that Mark DeRosa had just signed to play second base with the Chicago Cubs.

THERIOT: In all honestly, when I saw it, I really felt like punching you right in the mouth and or breaking your leg.

by EJThunder on Aug 13, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my $.02

I think Sori’s apology pre-empts any official sanctions from the team/Lou. On the topic of retaliation, I think the issue most critical is is whether, or not, a player feels his team mates have his back. What Sori did did not warrant a fastball being launched at his head. The biggest problem to come from the situatioon could be if NO action were taken.

by daily2b on Aug 13, 2008 10:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think that the important thing

is to take all of this in the context of a pennant chase. And not just any chase for that matter, for we all know this team is rolling. This is why Lou was absolutely correct in his course of action. Say this was 2006? I’d like to think the sweetness would have sent bobby howry out there to put a fastball in Chip Jones’ ribcage. But this is 2008. A year of prosperity, at a time when we are dismantling the competition. Why disrupt that dynamic? You just don’t do it. And as much as I wanted to see us throw one high and tight in response, deep down I knew sweet Lou was doing the right thing. So let’s log all of this drama away in our collective memory and hope down the road, when it’s feasible and not detrimental to the team, we’ll whip a two-seemer at Chipper’s kneecap. go Cubs.

by TheTruth11 on Aug 13, 2008 11:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

one last thought

sorry this really bothers me that this is a discussion…..

but no matter what, he is a cub and if someone throws at his head, we shouldn’t make excuses for why it was “okay”

by cubswynn on Aug 14, 2008 12:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Throwing at heads

Is simply not right. You should never want to throw at a guy’s head. Just hitting him with the pitch is the statement Hit him in the back, or rear. You hit him, you make the statement. You don’t try to ruin his career, or injure him for weeks to come. You make the statement, he takes first base, and it’s over. Don’t let it dictate the rest of the game. That’s just stupid.

by D-Bone on Aug 14, 2008 1:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

re: retaliation

the whole problem with the cubs and the braves is that this is now the third series in a row that we’ve accepted them throwing at soriano’s head. i’m not saying we should promote a policy of tit for tat. but if you let them throw at your stars’ head with no consequences things tend to get out of hand.

by billywan on Aug 14, 2008 1:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I do think

that if there is a point to be made for throwing back, this is the best one. The Braves are now repeat offenders against a single player. And as others have said, throwing at the head? Never tolerable.

by TheTruth11 on Aug 14, 2008 1:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Should Have Pinch-Run for Soriano

Sori should have been taken out of the game for a pinch-runner. Look, if he’s not going to run, put someone into the game who is. Sori very well could have been thrown at in his first at-bat in the second game, had he been taken out of the first game. The Cubs’ pinch-running for Sori would have sent a message right then and there that the Cubs will not tolerate his showboating and lack of hustle.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 14, 2008 9:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

PIniella needed to send an “in-game” message and publicly humiliate Soriano. That would officially end all of this b.s.

by MDBNIU on Aug 14, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

absolutely ridiculous.

You never let disciplining a player get in the way of scoring runs and winning a game.

There’s BS here, but Lou isn’t in a position to officially end it, because it’s got nothing to do with him or Sori.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we all know how much mdbniu HATES Sori

so this is his chance to spew vemon about it. Just like he did about whether Sori should be hitting first or not.

For what ever reason he has a vendetta against him, he has for as long as I’ve been on this board.

"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.

by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 14, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Publicly humiliate

Soriano?

Perhaps he should also be forced to write hundreds of pages of self-criticism and be sent to a re-education camp, as well.

by jbau on Aug 14, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bobby Cox is a great manager, right?

I forget who, but several years ago Cox took a right-fielder out of a game late because he played a ball on a bounce instead of catching it on the fly. It sends a quick message and then you run the guy out there for the next game.

by dr stabbingworth on Aug 14, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Public discipline, sure.

Especially in your case when it can be understood in context. In fact, might I even say Soriano would have been okay being pulled at that point—or at least he can comprehend the reason.

When I hear public humiliation, though, it’s quite a different context.

I guess the murkiness of the Beijing Olympics is coloring my interpretations.

by jbau on Aug 14, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All of these people who want to publically humilitate him.....

do you care that the Cubs are 15-6 since he came back? Really people this team has the best record in the NL. You want one of the important pieces publically humiliated? He said he was sorry.

Just b/c another manager has done this… it doesnt make it right.

Would you want your boss to do this to you?

"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.

by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 14, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fine he needed to get the message

but throwing at his head is typical Bobby Cox crap and I think it is BS. Someone oght to send a message back to the Braves IMO.

Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 14, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Congratulations!

These are among the most ridiculous two sentences you’ve ever typed here – and you’ve typed hundreds.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 14, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soriano apologized - let it be

Soriano stepped up and admitted he was wrong. Let it die. He knows he screwed up. If he did not accept responsibility for his actions, thats one thing, but he did.

We all make mistakes – back off Sori.

by jselinger24 on Aug 14, 2008 9:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No he doesn't, period

I laugh at the ideas around here when something is said and/or done and some believe that’s all there is to the story. Don’t think one single minute that there were things said and done – BEHIND closed doors – that NONE of us heard or will hear about his episode.

Just because we don’t see or hear it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Lou took care of it. This isn’t camp Dusty any more.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Aug 14, 2008 9:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As much as I appreciate and cheer for Soriano and ARam homers

I, too, shake my head in disgust when they stand at home plate and admire their shots or “not-shots” that end up singles or “close-play” doubles.

Lou should require ALL players to run out EVERYTHING. Do it the Sandberg way:

I was taught you never, ever disrespect your opponent or your teammates or your organization or your manager and never, ever your uniform. Make a great play — act like you’ve done it before. Get a big hit — look for the third base coach and — and — and get ready to run the bases. Hit a home run — put your head down, drop the bat, run around the bases, because the name on the front is more — a lot more important than the name on the back.

That’s respect.

I’ve seen Bonds admire his shots. I’ve seen Manny do it. It disgusts me! I don’t care how “valuable” the player is to the team, I dislike this gloating.

BTW: What’s up with Manny’s treads? Why does it take weeks to get a haircut? Now that he’s hitting homeruns, does he get an extended pass? [or more extensions?]

Ramirez said it was more important for him to fit in with his new club and not be given preferential treatment. Yeah, right. Then cut the treads!

Back to Soriano…he apologized. Good for him. Let’s see if he remembers to run immediately after his next shot.

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Aug 14, 2008 10:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't care less about the gloating...

Soriano or anyone else posing hurts the team. He should have been on second, at minimum. That’s the only concern I have with posing.

You don’t want the man to pose, strike him out. You don’t want the pitcher to pump his fist, get a hit.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what

you don’t want the umpire to be able to issue a technical balk? If a football player in the NFL celebrates overly, he gets a penalty. Turn those home runs into singles! UMPS 1 Cubs 0 Braves 0!

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't care about posing or celebrating...

Just arguing. I think the NFL celebration rules are asinine.

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by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A Soriano playing for Milwaukee or St. Louis would be violently hated by Cub fans

So lets not sit here and be hypocrits and say what Soriano does is just fine. His antics are bullshit. Standing in the batter box, the bunny hop in the outfield….. I GUARANTEE if he were member of the Brewers or Cardinals and did that bullshit against the Cubs then the majority of you would be screaming for Kerry Wood or Carlos Zambrano to throw a 96 MPH fastball to his skull.

by MDBNIU on Aug 14, 2008 10:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's right...

And I hated Edmonds for his flopping around like a fish too. I hated Rodman when he was with the Pistons. I think Pujols is one of the more overlooked posers.

And all was forgiven when Edmonds and Rodman came to my teams. If Pujols wants to ditch the hayseeds and come play for us, I’d forgive him his posing too.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no.

I would not. Throwing a ball at a players head is never called for, and when opposing players admire their crushed home-runs, I believe that that’s ok.

Because it works against them, just like that looong single of Sori’s worked against him. Let them embarrass themselves, let them get yelled at by their managers.

I’ve only seen TWO people call seriously for a beanball war. And I didn’t even take 10 days off from the blog.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

too funny drew

"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.

by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 14, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reed Johnson on WSCR radio this moring said....

Said Soriano is Soriano in the same vain as Manny is Manny. Also said Lou and several of his teammates (led by Jim Edmonds) had a stern discussion with Soriano in the clubhouse. And finally he said that you don’t do stuff like that in a major league game. And I quote, “it’s bush league.” The subject is over according to Johnson.

by MDBNIU on Aug 14, 2008 10:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Edmonds led the discussion???

Oh man… Hello, Mr. Pot, this is Ms. Kettle — YOU’RE BLACK!!!

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by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting also...

Reed Johnson said that Mark DeRosa invited the entire team to come to his house on the rainout day. Said 22 of 25 teammates showed up and had a great time. Johnson, DeRosa and Mike Fontenot are best buddies.

by MDBNIU on Aug 14, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ooooh.... I wonder which 3 didn't make it

My money is on Soriano — too selfish; Ward — not enough food and Ramirez — got lost!

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by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another "LOL FAT" joke! Zing!!!

Watch out, airline food – you’re next on DaBard’s list!

by Wreckard on Aug 14, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you're going to stalk me...

At least buy me flowers

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by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't flatter yourself.

I’m equal opportunity – I’m compelled to reply to any weak, poorly written, inaccurate or generally irredeemable posts I see.

You’re just on a roll lately.

by Wreckard on Aug 14, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm compelled to eat KFC

They put something in it that makes you crave it fortnightly.

I guess we all have our issues.

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by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny line

Reed Johnson said DeRosa is “way out over his skis with respect to his wife and his house” in the Atlanta burbs. Said DeRosa takes a lot of good natured ribbing on both subjects.

by MDBNIU on Aug 14, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

then why the hell

are you still talking about it?

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is!

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 14, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

May I have ten thousand marbles, please?

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 14, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This mission

is on DOUBLE SECRET status!

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just don't give my love some flowers.

Proud recipient of a hot dog shot from the Iowa Cubs hot dog gun.

by IowaCubs- on Aug 14, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No beanball wars please

1)There is no way Lilly can get away with it tonight. He would be jacked in a second and with a DH yesterday and Marshall on Sunday we can’t tax the bullpen.

2)You don’t want a brawl where Lilly and other cubs get ejected/suspended and/or hurt. This season is too important and it is not like we have put the Suds away yet.

The best way to get back at them is to KTA tonight. If we win tonight, we sweep the season series. Statement made…

"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey

by TheRiot Police on Aug 14, 2008 12:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1000!!!!!

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In 1920, the ball would have gone at a head

And there wouldn’t have been any namby-pamby whining about it.

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by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

in 1920

the ball was like a hackysack.

You think the Yankees of the 20s went around beaning players to make a statement? No. They won. A lot.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So did Bob Gibson...

We know his feelings on the matter. But that’s right, you’re only old-school when it suits you.

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by DaBard on Aug 14, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And you only tout "old-school" when it suits you as well...isn't "headhunting" a tradition worth retiring too?

Really….your whole “bean-ball” infatuation seems a little too testosterone driven.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 14, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

For being such a “progressive” thinker on how the game of baseball should change, you sure like hanging on to traditions. Oh wait, traditions that create laughter, smiles, and contentment are BAD… But traditions that adovocate violence, bad sportsmenship, and hurt are GOOD.

by StevenABQ on Aug 14, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Managers can't argue

but they CAN send out pitchers to throw 95 mph fastballs at other players’ heads.

That’s a FIVE Technical Balk Penalty!

UMPS WIN! UMPS WIN! Umps 7, Cubs 0, Braves 0!!!!!!

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just for a moment, ignoring your obsession with violence

In 1920, there wouldn’t have been a bench-clearing brawl or suspensions drawn out.

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 14, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+100000 badger for making logical sense

"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.

by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 14, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very well said.

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 14, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just really hope

that coming down on Soriano like this doesn’t cause some kind of batting issues on his part—Say he is too worried about hustling out of the batters’ box that he messes up his swing. I see the problem with what he did, I don’t understand why it is such a big issue. It didn’t cost the game, and he realized on his own that it was a mistake. Just let Sori concentrate on hitting bombs since that is kinda what he does best.

by adam316 on Aug 14, 2008 1:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Obviously his coach

and team mates thought it was a big issue since they all talked to him about it. Geo has no problem with running to first base after he hits the ball. Soriano shouldn’t either.

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 14, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't disagree

but they are different people. They react differently.

As long as we win, I don’t see this as a big deal. Sori ran right out of the box for his double in the night game. Let’s see what happens today. But as long as we win, this isn’t a big deal.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, we should have

Lou bend him over his knee and paddle his butt. But seriously I think this is way less of a big deal than when he was unable to catch a routine fly ball in the outfield. No, I actually agree with you totally drewish.

by adam316 on Aug 14, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's made several good plays lately

his legs look STRONG LIKE BULL and his bat is hitting the ball fairly nicely.

Although I envisioned SWL doing something like your first sentence.

Let’s win. He’s a frontline player, and we need him to be smart; I’m sure this incident will have an effect.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soriano

also danced in left field to the braves PA music. He continually acknowledged all of us Cubs fans in the left field stands. He had fun, and made a cocky mistake. I’ll take the swagger. The day was awesome. We went to the early game, then left to go to a Jack Johnson concert. Going back tonight. Let’s sweep, and leave inner team politics to the manager and players.

"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue." - George F. Will

by Slakkr on Aug 14, 2008 1:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

not retaliation

the point isn’t retaliation or being old school. the point is protecting our players. the braves think they can throw at soriano’s head and nothing will happen. they’ve done it three series in a row. they’ll keep doing it until we protect soriano.

brian mccann needs to be made to feel very uncomfortable in the batter’s box the next few times he comes to the plate. then maybe he can have a word or two with his pitchers about headhunting.

otherwise it doesn’t end.

by billywan on Aug 14, 2008 2:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

but something has happened.

they’ve lost five games straight to us. Tonight, they’ll probably lose again.

it ends when we sweep the season series, and go on to the post season, and the Braves are left with a half-empty stadium and a losing record.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i hope you're right

but i don’t trust their pitching staff. they’re far too willing to throw at people’s heads.

again, i’m not interested in retaliation. and if we can win and get out of town without incident that would be the best outcome.

by billywan on Aug 14, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

our guys

can duck. We can’t control them. Even throwing back can’t control them.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is why

the traditional approach is to throw at their catcher. he presumably has some influence over his pitchers. and sooner or later he’s gonna get tired of getting bruises up and down his back.

and as talented as soriano is, he appears to be a pretty crappy ducker.

by billywan on Aug 14, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought the traditional approach

was to win ball games.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

tough to do

if your star players keep having hand bones broken…

by billywan on Aug 14, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

keep having?

it happened once.

Give over.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's bound to happen again

any of these pitches thrown up and in could’ve broken a hand. or hit him in the head.

we just have a fundamental difference in our worldview. i say the braves will keep throwing up and in to soriano. and some of those pitches are going to find finger bones to break and helmets to crack. the only recourse is to either throw at their stars (which ends up in fights and suspensions) or to throw at their catcher. there isn’t really another option.

your worldview says we can just ignore it and hope it doesn’t happen again.

but we agree that winning tonight would be the best outcome, so there’s that.

by billywan on Aug 14, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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