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Pregame Thread: Cubs vs. Braves, Thursday 8/14, 6:10 CT

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Chicago Cubs
@ Atlanta Braves

Thursday, Aug 14, 2008, 6:10 PM CDT
Turner Field

Ted Lilly vs Tom Glavine

Clear. Winds blowing from left to right field at 5-10 m.p.h. Game Time temperature: Around 85.

Complete Coverage >

With a lefthander going tonight, this would be a good day to again rest some of the regulars and get hot hitters like Reed Johnson some more playing time. A sweep of this series would be REAL sweet.

Jayson Stark has an interesting take on the Manny Ramirez deal. And there's also an interesting take on Dusty Baker's troubles with the Reds in that link, with Baker apparently blaming everyone but himself for the Reds' bad record.

Today's Starting Pitchers
Ted Lilly
T. Lilly
Cubs		 vs. Tom Glavine
T. Glavine
Braves
11-6 W-L 2-3
4.26 ERA 4.85
133 SO 34
52 BB 33
26 HR 9
vs. Atl -- vs. Cubs
W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Ted Lilly 11-6 25 25 0 0 0 0 148.0 146 73 70 26 52 133 4.26 1.34
W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Tom Glavine 2-3 12 12 0 0 0 0 59.1 60 33 32 9 33 34 4.85 1.57

The last time we saw Tom Glavine, he was trudging off the field at Wrigley Field on June 10 with an elbow strain which has kept him on the DL ever since. The Cubs hit him pretty hard that day, too. Today's Atlanta Journal-Constitution says that today's start is an "audition" of sorts:

The next six weeks could determine whether Tom Glavine hangs up his spikes at the end of the season, or keeps pitching and tries to script a more satisfying ending to his career.

The 42-year-old Braves left-hander will come off the disabled list to start tonight's series finale against Chicago, his first major league game since leaving a June 10 start at the Cubs with elbow pain.

"I guess I'm auditioning for myself and for the people upstairs," Glavine said, referring to Braves officials.

Here's hoping the Cubs send him to a comfortable retirement. Glavine is 15-14, 3.72 in 36 career starts vs. the Cubs, but since 2006 that mark is 1-3, 6.08. Aramis Ramirez is .480/.576/.920 vs. Glavine lifetime (12-for-25, 2 doubles, 3 HR). Jim Edmonds is 4-for-21 vs. Glavine, so I'd expect him to sit tonight.

Ted Lilly was the starter and winner in that June 10 game, allowing four hits and three runs and striking out eight in 6.2 innings. From that day through his last start, 12 outings, Lilly is 6-1, 3.33. Players currently on the Atlanta roster are 11-for-49 (.224) with 1 HR (by Greg Norton) against Lilly.

Today's game is on CSN and Peachtree TV and on EI. Also see the MLB.com Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday

Baseball-reference.com game preview

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Discuss amongst yourselves.

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Its not Dusty

Its the toothpick’s fault.

by StevenABQ on Aug 14, 2008 4:03 PM CDT   0 recs

Jason Starks artical

says that Dusty Baker overused a pitcher and it might have lead to arm troubles. I for one am shocked, how long has this been going on?

"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"

by MerlinDog on Aug 14, 2008 4:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You don't say?

Man he’s got 3 of the best prospects the Reds have seen (Volquez, Cueto, Bailey) And while Cueto dropped off and Bailey never really got started — Hes ruining Volquez

by StevenABQ on Aug 14, 2008 4:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And apparently ruined Harang.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 14, 2008 4:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

His comments sound

remarkably like the “have to have the horses” or whatever comment he made while he was here.

Dusty is just a horrible manager. He’ll be fired either after this year or early next year and he’ll be back on ESPN and that’s where he’ll stay.

by ScottT on Aug 14, 2008 4:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Seems like ESPN is where

Washed up Mangers and Players go to die.

John Kruk
Dusty
Buck
Eric Young
Steve Phillips

Hell even Steve Stone was on the 4 letter network for a time

"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager

"Soriano deep to left!! THAT BALL'S GOOOONE!! A HOME RUN!! OHHH BABY!!" -Len Kasper 8/06/08

SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .296 21 HR 57 RBI

by Galvan316 on Aug 14, 2008 4:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

sort of

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 14, 2008 4:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

no nearly a box of toothpicks on the floor

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Aug 14, 2008 4:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How many is that?

[after Ray spills a box of toothpicks on the floor]
Raymond: 82, 82, 82.
Charlie: 82 what?
Raymond: Toothpicks.
Charlie: There’s a lot more than 82 toothpicks, Ray.
Raymond: 246 total.
Charlie: How many?
Sally Dibbs: 250.
Charlie: Pretty close.
Sally Dibbs: There’s four left in the box.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by tucsoncubsfan on Aug 14, 2008 4:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

first saying 1st you mean

today

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Aug 14, 2008 4:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I even waited dude.

I don’t get the kick out of the 1st thing that some do, not that there is anything wrong with it.

by StevenABQ on Aug 14, 2008 4:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

she has her broom ready

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Aug 14, 2008 4:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Little premature guys!!

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 14, 2008 4:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

TWSS

"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager

"Soriano deep to left!! THAT BALL'S GOOOONE!! A HOME RUN!! OHHH BABY!!" -Len Kasper 8/06/08

SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .296 21 HR 56 RBI

by Galvan316 on Aug 14, 2008 4:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

hate when that happens :D

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 14, 2008 4:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1 to Sue

-100 to brooms and flags appearing early.

I guess I might as well run to Vegas and put money on the Braves now. But maybe that could reverse the bad karma as I never win bets in Vegas.

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Aug 14, 2008 5:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

WOW

Sue thats why youre the best poster ever

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Aug 14, 2008 5:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

lol

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 14, 2008 5:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Brother in attendance

says Braves have a shot if the ump calls strikes 2 feet off the plate…..

I say the Cubs give the Braves bullpen a workout early and often…..also I recall that Lilly was tossed in this field for headhunting last year

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Aug 14, 2008 4:04 PM CDT   0 recs

Heres to seeing Bill Murray later tonight!

Go Cubs.

AJC is saying that Glavine is on an 85 pitch count. Hopefully we can do what we’ve done the last few days and get that up quickly.

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 14, 2008 4:11 PM CDT   0 recs

Agreed

I think we can knock him around a bit…

by StevenABQ on Aug 14, 2008 4:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

he's not in the air show until tomorrow

just kidding… although he is skydiving into Chicago tomorrow

by Emelie on Aug 14, 2008 5:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Good Afternoon all!!

How goes it

"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager

"Soriano deep to left!! THAT BALL'S GOOOONE!! A HOME RUN!! OHHH BABY!!" -Len Kasper 8/06/08

SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .296 21 HR 56 RBI

by Galvan316 on Aug 14, 2008 4:32 PM CDT   0 recs

Hey Galvan

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 14, 2008 4:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

hey Sue

how are you today?

"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager

"Soriano deep to left!! THAT BALL'S GOOOONE!! A HOME RUN!! OHHH BABY!!" -Len Kasper 8/06/08

SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .296 21 HR 57 RBI

by Galvan316 on Aug 14, 2008 4:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ready for some baseball

with some USA gold medal wins afterwards. And you?

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 14, 2008 4:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Getting ready for the Cubbies

"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager

"Soriano deep to left!! THAT BALL'S GOOOONE!! A HOME RUN!! OHHH BABY!!" -Len Kasper 8/06/08

SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .296 21 HR 57 RBI

by Galvan316 on Aug 14, 2008 4:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Women's individuals tonight...and PHELPS!!

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Aug 14, 2008 5:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm pumped

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 14, 2008 5:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought

he was dead.

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 14, 2008 4:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Atlanta didnt think so

After such a wonder last season in New York.

"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager

"Soriano deep to left!! THAT BALL'S GOOOONE!! A HOME RUN!! OHHH BABY!!" -Len Kasper 8/06/08

SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .296 21 HR 57 RBI

by Galvan316 on Aug 14, 2008 4:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Glavine, Maddux and Smoltz

All 3 may be done after this year. It would be great to see all three head into the HOF at the same time.

Maddux and Glavine should be locks for first ballot but Smoltz may take a second or third. A lot depends on who else might be there at the same time. Maybe Kent. I’m assuming Johnson and Griffey return next year. Johnson seems a lock to return if he falls short of the 300 wins.

I’m hoping for a Cubs 1-0 win with a good outing for Glavine. I’ve always liked him. I’d hate to see him go out completely washed up.

by rlpete on Aug 14, 2008 4:33 PM CDT   0 recs

Smoltz is in.

He’s got over 3000 strikeouts, would have had 50 more wins if he hadn’t gone to the bullpen those four years — and oh yes, he had 154 saves while he was there and is the co-holder of the NL single season record with 55.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 14, 2008 4:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree he's in

Just not sure he would be first ballot. However, if he is on there with Maddux and Glavine how could anyone not vote for all three.

by rlpete on Aug 14, 2008 4:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It would depend on who else

Is on the ballot whether or not Smoltz is a first ballot hall of famer

"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager

"Soriano deep to left!! THAT BALL'S GOOOONE!! A HOME RUN!! OHHH BABY!!" -Len Kasper 8/06/08

SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .296 21 HR 57 RBI

by Galvan316 on Aug 14, 2008 4:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If Smoltz is done after this year

I’m thinking his first ballot would include Maddux, Glavine, Kent, Thomas, Schilling, maybe Hoffman. I expect Griffey, Johnson and Pedro to return but if one of them don’t return, the ballot is getting a bit full.

by rlpete on Aug 14, 2008 4:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Plus you will very likely have the carryovers from the prior year

Some guys named Bonds, Clemens and Sosa who may not get in in their first year. It will be interesting.

by rlpete on Aug 14, 2008 4:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's not better than Joe Morgan though.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 14, 2008 4:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Who is?

Maybe Babe Ruth but that might be close.

by rlpete on Aug 14, 2008 4:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

player(s)

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 14, 2008 4:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No one is better then Lord Master Joe Morgan

"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager

"Soriano deep to left!! THAT BALL'S GOOOONE!! A HOME RUN!! OHHH BABY!!" -Len Kasper 8/06/08

SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .296 21 HR 57 RBI

by Galvan316 on Aug 14, 2008 4:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agree

I love Smotlz. I wish he would have been a Cub

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Aug 14, 2008 5:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Crew update; looks like Milwaukee's winning streak may break today

Down 3-1 in the top of the 8th.

Peavy out dueled Sheets.

Would be great if they go 8-1 and gain a half a game on the Cubs.

by IllinoisCubs on Aug 14, 2008 4:40 PM CDT   0 recs

cool

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 14, 2008 4:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Brewers down

3-1 in the eighth….. Love the days when we’ve already one the series. Here’s to a sweep.

"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella

by Lou In Blue on Aug 14, 2008 4:42 PM CDT   0 recs

Man its been a long day

one = won

"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella

by Lou In Blue on Aug 14, 2008 4:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ready for

a sweep tonight? I know I am.

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 14, 2008 4:45 PM CDT   0 recs

And they get worse with every loss

"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager

"Soriano deep to left!! THAT BALL'S GOOOONE!! A HOME RUN!! OHHH BABY!!" -Len Kasper 8/06/08

SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .296 21 HR 57 RBI

by Galvan316 on Aug 14, 2008 4:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Eerie!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 14, 2008 4:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

spooky!!!!

"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager

"Soriano deep to left!! THAT BALL'S GOOOONE!! A HOME RUN!! OHHH BABY!!" -Len Kasper 8/06/08

SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .296 21 HR 57 RBI

by Galvan316 on Aug 14, 2008 4:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

After last night they were on pace for 99.

And according to BP, their 3rd order win total is 98. So small, but possible, I’d say.

by sackings108 on Aug 14, 2008 4:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We would have to go 27-15 to reach 100 wins. I think that is very doable, but I’d rather get 11 postseason wins then 100 regular season wins. Actually I rather get both.

"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"

by MerlinDog on Aug 14, 2008 5:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs