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America's Most Loyal Baseball Fans...

Well, anyway, according to Forbes Magazine. Some teams (the newest) are not included. Their methodology is, well -- convoluted.  It doesn't really take other, unmeasurable aspects of 'fandom' into consideration.  That's why you'll find some of their conclusions....a bit strange.

They list the '10 worst' and '10 best' fan bases. Outside of the number of teams that they don't rate...some others don't make either list. I have no idea what that means.

2 teams stand out by their exclusion from this list, and one of those exclusions baffles me, if you use their measuring stick.....

 

http://www.forbes.com/2008/08/07/baseball-fans-loyal-forbeslife-cx_mw_0807sport.html

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THE RANGERS?! WTF?!

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by dtpollitt on Aug 14, 2008 12:03 PM CDT   0 recs

If I understand (more spoilers)

their reasoning as reflected in their methodology, essentially they’re saying that the Rangers stink so badly that the fact that anyone watches them at all is a sign of their fans great loyalty.

Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?

by Josh77 on Aug 14, 2008 12:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This sounds like the surveys that the Marlins win

measured by “wins per dollar spent on payroll”.

Remember, 98% of statistics are made up half the time.

by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 14, 2008 2:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Braves???

Didn’t they fail to sell out their playoff games?

by dr stabbingworth on Aug 14, 2008 12:13 PM CDT   0 recs

Darn it!!!!!

You bet me to the punch I was going to post the same thing. If you can’t sell out a playoff game (let alone do it more then once) then you should be disqualified.

"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"

by MerlinDog on Aug 14, 2008 12:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Braves over Cubs and Cards?

The three most popular MLB teams in west TN are the Cardinals (a very strong first), the Braves (a distant second), and the Cubs (a weak third). I can tell you the Cardinals and Cubs fans are quite loyal through thick and then. The Braves fans only care about their team when they are winning. I don’t see too many of them around now.

Atlanta’s attendance numbers towards the end of their division title run were low considering how good the team was. Fan interest has fallen off since the early 1990’s, when I had to deal with tons of Braves fans in Starkville, MS, during my college days. Among metro areas with at least 4 major pro teams, Atlanta has got to be the worst or close to the worst in supporting their teams.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 14, 2008 12:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Starkville, MS?

Hey I just graduated from Mississippi State, and took a job about 15min east of Starkville. Nice to have an MSU grad on BCB. There’s a lot of Braves fans around here, and I’m talkin’ some heavy trash today after two 8run defeats in one day.

by sparky39762 on Aug 14, 2008 1:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Rangers????????

Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 14, 2008 12:26 PM CDT   0 recs

Dumbest logic ever ...

I think I’m dumber for having read that article. They are basically saying that b/c Pirates, Rangers, Brave, etc attendance is always low then they must have some othe most loyal fans.

If you can’t sell out a playoff game, your fans suck. Period.

Cubs fans have been very loyal through the good years and the lean years. Our eternal hope always keeps us going despite our previous failings. We have still been there even through horrible seasons as well. we have not turned our back on this team when they have disappointed us, crushed us, or torn our hearts our nor have we become aloof with their success.

That was just a poorly, thought out article.

"I don’t believe that things go your way," said Lou Piniella, the Cubs manager.
"I believe you make things go your way."

by Basman on Aug 14, 2008 12:40 PM CDT   0 recs

Nice post

I stopped reading the Forbes article when the author said that A-Rod’s 2001 contract was the worst ever…Right there, that proved that whoever wrote this tripe didn’t know baseball from a hole in the ground.

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Aug 15, 2008 8:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow...

is that a poorly researched and written article.

by bison on Aug 14, 2008 12:40 PM CDT   0 recs

White Sox & Dodgers

don’t fall in either list. The Dodgers draw 3 mil per year, every year, even in a ‘drought’ of titles and they don’t rate?

The Angels ranking, does make sense.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 14, 2008 12:50 PM CDT   0 recs

How can you measure fan loyalty

by stadium attendance?

People who actually go to games is a relatively small sample of actual fans of the team.

by daeviant on Aug 14, 2008 12:59 PM CDT   0 recs

You can't

this is Forbes magazine. Perhaps I’ll check out SI for the latest on successful businesses and who runs them.

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by Kinky Reggae on Aug 14, 2008 1:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Furthermore...

that doesn’t account for the number of VISITING fans in the stands…I’m sure Milwaukee and Atlanta get some benefit from all of the Cubs fans who pack those places since the home fans can’t be bothered to sell out the stadiums…

Proudly waving the Cubbie Blue from Northern Missouri! GO CUBS GO!

by Tater01 on Aug 14, 2008 5:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't mind the list.

The Rangers aren’t a team that I would have thought of, but it takes loyalty to go out in the Texas heat and watch that team every year.

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by mjk83 on Aug 14, 2008 1:01 PM CDT   0 recs

Went to a Ranger's game recently

I was really surprised by how many people were there.

by beckmania on Aug 14, 2008 1:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

They were mistaken.

They thought it was a Cowboys scrimmage.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 14, 2008 1:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah, dude

Statistics and numbers and math and stuff are just so idiotic.

That’s why I do all my thinking with my gut – it tells me the stuff that counts.

LMFAO OMG AS IF!

by SuperContext on Aug 14, 2008 1:34 PM CDT   0 recs

Brewers are on that list?

Don’t they have a horrible attendance record? (Besides when they are winning of course, which isn’t very often)

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Aug 14, 2008 1:37 PM CDT   0 recs

WAIT, hold on!

The Twins have the 4th least loyal fans in baseball?!?!?! That right there is a load of crap. So what if they don’t sell out, the Metrodome is like a 60,000 seat stadium, and it sucks for baseball. I can almost guarantee that when the new stadium is built, that it will be hard to get tickets.

This list is crap, Twins fans are very loyal. They may not be the most loyal, but they are much better than 4th least.

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Aug 14, 2008 1:42 PM CDT   0 recs

IS the new place

slated to be retractable roof?

Can’t imagine April baseball there w/o it.

by The E-Man on Aug 14, 2008 1:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nope, I do not believe so

It could definitely get a bit chilly in April, but it shouldn’t be too bad. All baseball has to do is make sure the Twins (and other northerly teams) start the season mostly on the road for the first couple weeks of the season.

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Aug 14, 2008 1:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thats what I heard too

My boss is a die-hard Twins fan, and spends alot of time in St. Paul, and he remarked the same way. He also said that most fans he knows are really looking forward to an open-air park. FWIW.

by StevenABQ on Aug 14, 2008 2:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

They're making a huge mistake.

They need a RETRACTABLE roof, not an open-air park. Sure, it’ll be great in the summer. But remember how cold and rainy Chicago can be in May. It’ll be that much colder — and possibly snowier — in Minnesota in May.

I haven’t checked, but I’m guessing that during the years the Twins played outdoors up to 1982, they had more than the league average number of early-season postponements.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 14, 2008 3:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

But it sounds like they are committed to an open air facility. Its supposed to have some state of the art heating underneath the field…interesting.

Heres a look at the park

by StevenABQ on Aug 14, 2008 3:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Welcome to the club!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 14, 2008 2:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

lol, I said they were loyal

nothing about mental capacity or attractiveness

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Aug 14, 2008 2:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Twins are cool

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Aug 14, 2008 2:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The one on the right

is way hotter!

"Why does that man drop his club before he runs? I would bring it with me." ~Stewie Griffin

by Goodie1969 on Aug 14, 2008 7:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Road attendance not

included, in this piece. We’re third in baseball.

I recall a more “objective” analysis based on road attendance, right before this season started. I don’t recall if it was Forrester REsearch or Neilsen, but in that study, the Cubs trailed only the Yankees and Red Sox in gate receipts as a visiting team.

One look at some of the road games we’ve been watching can confirm this, subjectively, at least.

by The E-Man on Aug 14, 2008 1:47 PM CDT   0 recs

Road attendance is a wonderful stat

but it isn’t the end-all, be-all regarding team loyalty.

An example: Red Sox fans are often called some of the most loyal in baseball (they are, by the way) based on their high road attendance. That number is skewed somewhat by the fact that Yankee Stadium has over 57,000 seats, and they usually sell out for Red Sox games. Red Sox fans have Yankee fans packing the Stadium to thank for a chunk of their road attendance numbers.

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Aug 15, 2008 8:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If I recall corrreclty

Didn’t the Cubs add something like 2,000 seats or so just a few years ago. So compairing the attendance from the 90’s to now would throw things off.

"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"

by MerlinDog on Aug 14, 2008 1:57 PM CDT   0 recs

The Braves are ahead of the Cubs?

They have trouble selling out playoff games don’t they?

And speaking from experience, the Pirates don’t belong in the top 10. People go to the games in more Steelers gear than Pirates. Pittsburgh is a football town. I can’t believe I’m even letting this site get me worked up.

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by Bricks and Ivy on Aug 14, 2008 3:13 PM CDT   0 recs

not to mention

they were not even close so selling out either of yesterdays games, and half the attendance were cubs fans. Which seems to be common everywhere the cubs go. The cubs should have easily been number two behind Boston, with St. louis following. Were on earth are the N.Y. fans.

by nks6911 on Aug 14, 2008 3:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This list is ridiculous.

And not just for the obvious (to us) reasons.

You can’t quantify loyalty based on X attendance versus Y winning seasons. You can’t quantify loyalty in any way. There may be a Blue Jays fan out there to rival the most die-hard Cub/Red Sox/Cardinal fan. There are quite a few bandwagoning Cub fans out there right now. I never saw a Red Sox cap in the western burbs before 2004.

by SplintChesthair on Aug 14, 2008 3:59 PM CDT   0 recs

Craptastic

That is what this article is.
I am going to guess that since Forbes is of more interest to the rich jet set business man, that their comentary on baseball in any way shape or form should have nothing to do with fan loyalty. If they want to approach baseball perhaps it should be from the angle of “Where can you spend rediculous money for a seat to sit in with a suit on and jabber on cell phone the whole game?” or “What ball bark has the best luxury suite in which to sip expensive whiskey while wooing some Chinese company?”

I would guess it’s pretty close between Cubs, Cards, BoSox, and maybe Dodgers fans for the loyalty title. The reason I say maybe for the Dodgers is because they still find it cool to be two or three innings late for the game and to clear out an inning or two early. Seems to me it’s more of a social function than a bunch of baseball fans.

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by love the ivy on Aug 14, 2008 7:14 PM CDT   0 recs

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