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A Going-Away Present: Cubs 9, Marlins 2

The Cubs beat the Marlins 9-2 this afternoon, winning the series (their sixth straight series win), the season series from the Marlins 4-3, and said goodbye to south Florida for 2008 (Note to Mets and Phillies: please keep the Marlins in third place!) -- and good riddance.

I mean, seriously: a rain delay when it's not raining? And yes, I well remember the non-rain delay on August 23, 1999 at Wrigley Field, when at game time, 7:05, it wasn't raining but the field stayed covered until it DID start raining at 9:15, at which time they called the game. That game, which had a sellout crowd, had to be made up as a conventional single-admission doubleheader two days later, costing the Cubs about $1 million in ticket sales (based on 1999 prices) and likely costing Ed Lynch his job. Today, they delayed the start about 20 minutes, keeping the field covered, because they thought a storm might drift over the park. It never did.

This game didn't start out propitiously for the Cubs -- they kept leaving runners on base, shades of last night, five left on in the first three innings. And let me say right now: I like Ryan Theriot's attitude and hustle. But seriously, he has to stop stealing bases, or trying to, because his 58% success rate (18 SB, 13 CS) is horrid. And what was he thinking, trying to steal third with nobody out in a scoreless game in the third inning? Even Bob Brenly, who nearly always praises Theriot, ripped him for doing that. While Theriot is having a nice year via BA and OBA, what little power he showed last year (30 doubles) is gone (only 16 so far this year). A few days off wouldn't hurt.

Meanwhile, Ryan Dempster was throwing a nice game; his first mistake wasn't really his, it was Alfonso Soriano's, for not playing Cody Ross' high drive off the wall correctly. Thinking he could catch the ball, instead it took a Fenway-like bounce away from him for a triple. If Ross is held at second, maybe he doesn't score, because the next two hitters made outs (a shoestring catch by Kosuke Fukudome helped), and maybe the Cubs then give Hanley Ramirez an intentional walk and get out of the inning. In any case, it was just one run, and Dempster gave up another one on a walk and a double in the sixth, but then got out of the inning with only one more run scoring. In the interim, Soriano had played the next ball hit off the goofy scoreboard in Miami well, and it looked like he had thrown Ramirez out at second base, but it appeared the umpire was out of position to see Mike Fontenot tag him on the leg before it reached the base. No harm, because no runs scored in that inning.

And then the Cubs exploded in the seventh, and once again, everyone contributed; the Marlins' Renyel Pinto, so good early in the year, had an 18.00 ERA in five August appearances coming into this game with six walks in three innings, and after Mike Fontenot and Reed Johnson had started the inning with hits, for some reason, Fredi Gonzalez left Pinto in to throw to four straight right-handed hitters, with predictable results: he walked Mark DeRosa, then Soriano doubled in the tying runs (past a sliding Luis Gonzalez, who might have been able to make that play five years ago, but not at two weeks shy of age 41), one out later -- for some inexplicable reason -- Gonzalez ordered Derrek Lee walked intentionally to pitch to Aramis Ramirez with the bases loaded.

Now, we all love D-Lee, but seriously, who would YOU rather face with the bases loaded? In his career, prior to today, Lee is .214/.254/.491 with 8 HR with the bases loaded; A-Ram is .337/.336/.625 with 7 HR (that's not a misprint of the OBA there -- he's got 14 bases-loaded sac flies, and 7 bases-loaded walks). Anyway, we're all glad the Marlins chose to face Ramirez, who smacked a double down the line just out of reach of third baseman Jorge Cantu, breaking the tie to give the Cubs a 4-2 lead. Ramirez, incidentally, now seems fine after that minor shakeup Thursday night in Atlanta.

The best part of watching that was seeing the close-up replay of the dugout with all the Cubs watching intently, then exploding into cheers, led by Johnson and Henry Blanco (who eventually got into the game, and singled and scored, raising his career-best BA to .292), when the ball skipped into left field. It's cool to know that they're rooting that hard for their teammates.

And then, after a sac fly by Dome, two more walks (one intentional, one drawn by ONEDEC!), Johnson (who finished 4-for-5 today and is now batting .314), batting for the second time in the inning, drove a ball to the wall in left-center, clearing the bases and finishing the 8-run inning, the 22nd time the Cubs have scored five or more runs in an inning, far and away the most in the NL (the Phillies with 17 are 2nd).

Dempster got a deserved win, his 14th (one short of his career best), with the offensive outburst and Neal Cotts, Jeff Samardzija and Carlos Marmol finished up without incident, throwing three innings of one-hit relief.

So the Cubs are back to .500 on the road at 31-31, and finish up a 5-1 road trip, their best multicity trip of the year (I say "multicity" because the four-game sweep at Milwaukee, a single-city trip, was also outstanding). Goodbye to Miami and that silly mosquito mascot. We await the result of today's Brewers-Dodgers game, at this writing led by the Dodgers 3-0 in the second after two first-inning homers, to see if the Cubs will go into the off-day up by 4.5 or 5.5 games.

Great series, great trip. Enjoy the off-day tomorrow.

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First!

and damn, are you fast. Whoo hool cubs win.

"Don't worry, Joey. We'll go next year. They're in the World Series all the time" ---My grandfather to my sick father, October 10, 1945

by flyingdonut on Aug 17, 2008 3:40 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thought you guys might like a fast recap.

Figured once it got to 8-2, I could start writing.

What a terrific road trip!

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 17, 2008 3:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no jinxing it!

Cubs fans started singing in the ballpark, and Marmol promptly threw six or seven balls in a row.

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 17, 2008 3:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True enough.

Maybe he needs to pitch in tenser situations.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 17, 2008 3:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For Sure

I’m a bit uneasy with all the ‘W’ flags being waived before the game is over too. I don’t think I’m superstitious but why tempt fate?

And so it goes.

by Luigi on Aug 17, 2008 4:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Me too.

It drives me crazy when people unfurl the W flags before the win is secured. Singing “Go Cubs Go” was over the line, too. All’s well that ends well, though, I suppose.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 17, 2008 4:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

even len pointed that out

w/ the always fun line “I’m not superstitious, but” lol

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 17, 2008 4:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I heard that.

I have neighbors who fly the W flag outside their houses. That’s great and all, but I go crazy when they leave the flag up after a Cubs loss. I’ve seriously considered donning my ninja gear and taking a few of them down. Fortunately, that won’t be necessary today.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 17, 2008 4:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or, perhaps...

Al’s well that ends well?

by Emelie on Aug 17, 2008 4:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That works.

Or maybe “Al’s well when all ends well.”

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 17, 2008 4:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Both Well Played

LOL

"Sometimes I feel like as a Cubs fan if I’m not worrying about something, I’m not doing it right." - HalfBlindCubbieGirl

by CaliCub on Aug 17, 2008 4:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Technically...

…. if you listen to the lyrics, the fans were singing the song at the perfect time. The Cubs are gonna win today. I’ve always thought it was silly to sing that after they’ve already won.

If Red Auerbach (sp?) were a Cub fan, he’d have been lit up already.

Dome-san!!

by Goat Whisperer on Aug 18, 2008 9:05 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

I did forget to change it. I’ll fix it now.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 17, 2008 4:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

holy cow!

that was fast.

"I'm like the tide baby: I come and go as I please." --Johnny Drama

by cubs2234 on Aug 17, 2008 3:42 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

twoth!

awesome 7th!

a win is a win.

by JoToPo on Aug 17, 2008 3:42 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Al:

why so long to post the recap?

slowing down in your old age?

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Aug 17, 2008 3:43 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LMAO

I did have to wait for the last out! Marmol made me wait a whole extra batter!

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 17, 2008 3:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BTW, we are the same age.

how great is it to have the Cubs at .500 on the road AND to do it against the Fish!!

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Aug 17, 2008 3:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You bet.

It does look like they finally have the Florida monkey off their back. Great series.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 17, 2008 3:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably because I didn't go this time :(

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Aug 17, 2008 7:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did you catch?

Did you catch the morning news on 7? They talked about the new Cubs book and showed your picture. Was giving the dog a bath when heard it.

Go Cubs

by cubstoseriesby100 on Aug 17, 2008 3:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was promoted on yesterday's game thread.

I was the one who got Will booked on the show.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 17, 2008 4:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oops

I was tied up in and out all day. Was supposed to go to gencom but someone screwed up the hotel reservations.

Go Cubs

by cubstoseriesby100 on Aug 17, 2008 6:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dang that was fast!

Well the Cubs don’t pay Fonzi for his glove but for his bat and he came through with a double to tie it up and set up Reed Johnson who put it away for us.

And Theroit needs to work on his dancing feet. But with a win like this and 2 out of 3 in Flordia I’m a happy guy.

Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
William Wrigley Jr

by bubbamike the one and only on Aug 17, 2008 3:44 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fonzi

made some decent catches. And you don’t often see him go back to the wall and jump. I was pleased to see him do that, even if he didn’t make the play. And the second time it was hit off the wall, he played it PERFECTLY. That runner was OUT at second.

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 17, 2008 3:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ramirez WAS out.

That play didn’t cost them a run, but the first one may have.

In any case, all’s well that ends well.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 17, 2008 3:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Theriot

I didn’t like the attempted steal (or the caught stealing!) either – but was that Teriot’s decision? I thought it was a double-steal, and assumed it came from the bench to try to get them kick-started.

Al is right thought, that his percentages are aweful.

a win is a win.

by JoToPo on Aug 17, 2008 3:46 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Len and Bob thought

that Riot did it on his own, and Lee was just paying attention.

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 17, 2008 3:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Theriot went on his own...

… then someone has to stop him.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 17, 2008 3:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

he hasn’t shown anything close enough to good basestealing skills to be going on his own.

by LT on Aug 17, 2008 3:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll bet

Theriot thinks he can dunk too!

""At the end of the day, boys, you don't tell me how rough the water is, you bring in the ship." -- Steve Stone

by kentmeister on Aug 17, 2008 3:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For a good 1/2 to 3/4's of this season

I have screamed: DON’T STEAL, THERIOT. Fat lot good it does. One would think one would learn from experience, but nooooo.

by Emelie on Aug 17, 2008 4:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we could procure

a sniper rifle from somewhere. (:P)

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 17, 2008 4:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

with foam bullets

just enough to get his bleeping attention, or maybe one of those t-shirt guns…

by Emelie on Aug 17, 2008 6:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just tell him

that Z will be waiting in the dugout for him if he gets CS. That should stop him.

by Archie on Aug 18, 2008 9:11 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Based on the replay..........

………..it looked like this came from the dugout. Seemed Lee broke at the same time as Theriot, so I’d say Lou has to accept the blame.

After last night’s poor showing, suspect he was looking to shake things up early.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Aug 17, 2008 4:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep, looked like a double steal....

Can’t fault Riot too much, though he got a horrible jump…

The only stats I care about are the ones on the back of a baseball card

by carmen_fanzone on Aug 17, 2008 4:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well then

you actually can fault him.

The Theriot apologists are astounding. If you need a single with nobody on, he’s fine. But he does absolutely nothing else well.

by Leon Durham on Aug 17, 2008 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bat Him 8th

and move DeRo/Fonty to 2nd in the order?

"Sometimes I feel like as a Cubs fan if I’m not worrying about something, I’m not doing it right." - HalfBlindCubbieGirl

by CaliCub on Aug 17, 2008 4:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Nice Thing About Theriot Batting 8th

is that, assuming he gets on and the pitcher either gets on or makes only the 1st/2nd out, Soriano has an RBI opportunity.

"Sometimes I feel like as a Cubs fan if I’m not worrying about something, I’m not doing it right." - HalfBlindCubbieGirl

by CaliCub on Aug 17, 2008 4:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even better

Move DeRo to second, bat Cedeno 8th, and bench Theriot

by Leon Durham on Aug 17, 2008 4:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can Cedeno Match Theriot's OBP

given the same number of at bats?

"Sometimes I feel like as a Cubs fan if I’m not worrying about something, I’m not doing it right." - HalfBlindCubbieGirl

by CaliCub on Aug 17, 2008 4:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The thing is,

Cedeno’s glove is better, and he’s widely considered to be a much better hitter. He may not post the same OBP, but will hit with some pop.

by sackings108 on Aug 17, 2008 4:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe, maybe not

Riot can NOT, however, match Cedeno’s power.

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 17, 2008 4:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

seems to me that

theriot does a hell of a job getting on base before the heart of the order comes up……..thats what we need in the 2 hole.

by cubsmania on Aug 17, 2008 7:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You rebel you. :D

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 18, 2008 9:21 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't imagine Lou putting a double steal on

with no outs and Ramy at the plate. Not even Ned Yost would do something that stupid. DLee just did a good job of following the lead runner.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Aug 17, 2008 7:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With the offense............

……….scuffling last night, I can see Lou making this call early in the game.

The replays pretty much verify Lee moving with the pitch. He certainly wasn’t looking at Theriot.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Aug 17, 2008 8:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great Roadrip!

Now let’s go home and beat up on Dusty.

"Booze, broads, and bullshit. If you got all that, what else do you need?" Harry Caray

by CubbieintheSouth on Aug 17, 2008 3:46 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BOOYAKASHAH!!!

I’d been monitoring this one at the pool all afternoon and got home just in time to see Marmol wrap it up. What a great offensive explosion. Great pitching by Demp and the pen. And a fine, fine 5-1 road trip. Now it’s time to follow the Dodgers-Brewers game and root for the other boys in blue.

!!!! CUBS WIN !!!!

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 17, 2008 3:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right on, Al

could not believe you’d walk D-Lee in that spot the way he’s hit in clutch spot vs. the way Ramirez has. And the Pinto thing was just laughable—and we all know the dangers of Pintos backing up!

Lou gets his share of criticism but the days are few in which we get outmanaged. I don’t think he pushes as many buttons as he did last year (hit and run, etc.) but more often than not his decisions work out.

""At the end of the day, boys, you don't tell me how rough the water is, you bring in the ship." -- Steve Stone

by kentmeister on Aug 17, 2008 3:56 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

huh?
Now, we all love D-Lee, but seriously, who would YOU rather face with the bases loaded?

This would be relevant if DLee was up with the bases loaded, but he wasn’t. He was up with runners on 2nd/3rd (where he has hit .325/.529/.663 in his career, which, FWIW, is better than ARam’s .337/.336/.625 with the bases loaded).

With that said… I still wouldn’t have walked him. But at least get the facts straight.

by big_lowitzki on Aug 17, 2008 4:01 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah.

Derrek is still a dangerous hitter. Granted, he hasn’t hit for as much power as we would like — he still is one of our most potent hitters.

My new life, my new world, and my beautiful daughter:
Tamia London Davis: (Due date: August 11) (Tamia, where are you?)

by Unique on Aug 17, 2008 4:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Didn't The Same Thing Happen vs. the White Sox

this year, at one of the games at Wrigley?

"Sometimes I feel like as a Cubs fan if I’m not worrying about something, I’m not doing it right." - HalfBlindCubbieGirl

by CaliCub on Aug 17, 2008 4:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

was trying to remember that myself.

but really? I love Derrek… but close and late with RISP? I want Rami up everyday of the week in that situation.

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 17, 2008 4:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not when he is in those slumps of his

DLee is fine, he just isnt a flashy player so he gets more grief then most when he isnt hitting 400. Every since his really high average years he has alot to live up to, but he still our guy

"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Aug 17, 2008 4:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of course.

But many here act like walking Lee to face Ramirez is like walking Blanco to face Ramirez.

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by Unique on Aug 17, 2008 4:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I didn't say anyone said that.

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by Unique on Aug 17, 2008 4:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok whatever.

My new life, my new world, and my beautiful daughter:
Tamia London Davis: (Due date: August 11) (Tamia, where are you?)

by Unique on Aug 17, 2008 4:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BTW 'nique

Seven months ago I went through what you’re going through now. Nine days late!

Don’t worry though. Your daughter will get here eventually. Ours did and she was probably healthier for it.

Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?

by Josh77 on Aug 18, 2008 1:42 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True enough.

In that SITUATION, Lee was the batter to face. You pitch around him, hope he makes an out.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 17, 2008 4:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure...

… that may be true.

But the paragraph you wrote doesn’t make any sense if it is talking about that SITUATION.

by big_lowitzki on Aug 17, 2008 7:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, you're right

I should have said something like, “The Marlins probably should have pitched to Lee, since Ramirez has been a better RBI man this year”, or something like that. Instead I mixed up numbers I shouldn’t have.

Better?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 17, 2008 8:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that would be...

…. much better.

You compared the current situation that ARam found himself in to a hypothetical situation for Derek Lee that didn’t exist in this game.

Further… based on your logic, it would have made sense to walk Lee, being that Lee had better numbers in the actual situation than ARam did in the actual situation.

by big_lowitzki on Aug 17, 2008 8:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I understand this.

I was making a comparison that wasn’t logical… but for some reason it made sense to me while I was writing it. Got to get more sleep.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 17, 2008 8:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did he

shoot your dog or something?

Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.

by TCobb1911 on Aug 17, 2008 8:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think we get the point, dude.

It was an accident. Why not comment with this amount of tenacity when the facts are right?

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Aug 17, 2008 9:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and...

.. comment with “tenacity” when the facts are right?

What do you want me to do… say something like:

Great job Al! You got the facts right this time!

by big_lowitzki on Aug 17, 2008 10:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hm.

there’s something to be said about wanting to be completely accurate in everything you do, but generally, when people notice small mistakes or lapses in logic, they tend to let it go. you’re reading a baseball discussion forum man, not a freaking dissertation for a PhD. Let it go.

by ThisIsResolute on Aug 18, 2008 1:11 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

umm...

… I did let it go.

Until ya’ll jumped in and felt the need to defend Al.

by big_lowitzki on Aug 18, 2008 6:51 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No.

Al let it go. I was thinking as I read above that it was a very graceful and humble exit by Al. It could have turned into a brawl, but he just bowed out. You didn’t let it go, you pushed it until Al backed down.

Not trying to get back into it. Don’t want to get back into it. However, don’t try to take credit for letting it go.

by Archie on Aug 18, 2008 9:16 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sigh

Always someone.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Aug 18, 2008 9:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Scoreboard Update

Crew batting in the 4th

Still 3-0 Dodgers

Current temperature in hell: 45 degrees F - and falling!

by wnielsen on Aug 17, 2008 4:07 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cameron solo shot

3-1 Dodgers

Current temperature in hell: 45 degrees F - and falling!

by wnielsen on Aug 17, 2008 4:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's the last time

I change the channel in frustration in the 6th inning.

by daeviant on Aug 17, 2008 4:13 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

time to get a DVR

then you can zoom through all the bad parts ;)

by nathew on Aug 17, 2008 4:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I seriously need to join everyone

in the 21st century.

Ok.. if the Cubs make the playoffs, I’ll get myself a Tivo.

by daeviant on Aug 17, 2008 4:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Softball Rules For The Riot, Too

No leading off first base until after the pitcher throws the ball!

"Sometimes I feel like as a Cubs fan if I’m not worrying about something, I’m not doing it right." - HalfBlindCubbieGirl

by CaliCub on Aug 17, 2008 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Weeks lost popup in the sun

1st & 2nd – 2 outs for the Dodgers

Bottom 4th

Current temperature in hell: 45 degrees F - and falling!

by wnielsen on Aug 17, 2008 4:22 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ed Lynch

He was fired because he was crap at his job, and not because of any one incident.

Anyhow, how was he responsible for the decision to delay the start of a game? I thought that was up to the umpires.

by Leon Durham on Aug 17, 2008 4:26 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"I Didn't Know Robin Ventura Wanted To Stay In Chicago"

When he said that the day after Ventura signed with the Mets (leaving us stuck with an overripe Gaetti), that’s when Eddie Baby should’ve been axed.

"Sometimes I feel like as a Cubs fan if I’m not worrying about something, I’m not doing it right." - HalfBlindCubbieGirl

by CaliCub on Aug 17, 2008 4:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eddie Baby should have never been hired to start with...

…and that falls on the shoulders of the blue blooded Captain of the Sweater Vest., McPhail

"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08

by JB 23 on Aug 17, 2008 4:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't you mean MacFail

Current temperature in hell: 45 degrees F - and falling!

by wnielsen on Aug 17, 2008 4:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MacPhail Was More Loyal To His Philosophies Than The Cubs

When he first got to the Cubs, MacPhail should’ve realized the resources at his disposal and spent more for top talent. But instead he held the fans hostage with his fiscally responsible, “content to compete within the division” way of running things.

It’s like the T-shirt I once saw that said “YOUR FAILED BUSINESS MODEL IS NOT MY PROBLEM”.

"Sometimes I feel like as a Cubs fan if I’m not worrying about something, I’m not doing it right." - HalfBlindCubbieGirl

by CaliCub on Aug 17, 2008 4:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Umpires decision after the first pitch has been thrown?

Current temperature in hell: 45 degrees F - and falling!

by wnielsen on Aug 17, 2008 4:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, management is responsible up to the first pitch.

Yes, he wasn’t very good at his job. But that game was the last straw.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 17, 2008 4:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is a cool million in ticket sales even that big of a deal?

Not that I have any figures in front of me, but it just doesn’t seem like a large dollar amount for a professional sports team.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Aug 17, 2008 7:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Remember, we're talking about 1999...

… payrolls and ticket prices were far different nine years ago.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 17, 2008 8:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i say...

i wanna beat the dbacks, marlins, and…..heck, the white sox in the postseason!!!

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark

by preachermancubsfan on Aug 17, 2008 4:31 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you know...

to get all the monkeys off our back all at once

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark

by preachermancubsfan on Aug 17, 2008 4:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dude.

isn’t the postseason itself enough of a monkey? do we really need a gorilla instead? LOL

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 17, 2008 4:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why not do it in extreme dramatic fashion?

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark

by preachermancubsfan on Aug 17, 2008 4:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

b/c Cubs in October is dramatic enough for me

if we can get 11 I don’t care if they come against Dominican Summer League as long as they count.

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 17, 2008 4:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haha, thats great!

i will, like you, take them ANYWAY we can get em

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark

by preachermancubsfan on Aug 17, 2008 4:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Angel Guzman's rehab start in Iowa today:

3 IP/ 0 ER/3 K/1 BB/1 H

Looking good. Al, you ready to admit that he could pitch in the majors this year?

by sackings108 on Aug 17, 2008 4:32 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's nice to hear.

Who knows…maybe he’ll be one of the September callups after all.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 17, 2008 4:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i just hope we aren't rushing him.

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 17, 2008 4:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he just had TJ last august

they rushed Carpenter back and he’s hurt again.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love for ANYONE to come up and contribute, I just don’t want us to rush someone and risk losing him for even longer.

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 17, 2008 4:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed, but Carpenter's value to the Cards is a little different

than Guzman and his value to this team. If we can get some quality outings from him in Sept, I’m all for it.

by sackings108 on Aug 17, 2008 4:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know.

I am just counting on nothing from Guzman… so anything he does contribute is a huge bonus.

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 17, 2008 4:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bullpen Duty?

That way his innings are limited…

"Sometimes I feel like as a Cubs fan if I’m not worrying about something, I’m not doing it right." - HalfBlindCubbieGirl

by CaliCub on Aug 17, 2008 4:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fielder GIDP

Middle of 5th, 3-1 Dodgers.

"Sometimes I feel like as a Cubs fan if I’m not worrying about something, I’m not doing it right." - HalfBlindCubbieGirl

by CaliCub on Aug 17, 2008 4:34 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There are too many people complaining

I dont understand. Marmol did fine, and will be fine. Lee is a SICK SMART BALLPLAYER, and if I hear another person complain about him batting 3rd I am going to go nuts. That is a key spot in the lineup and hes playing just fine, not to mention his amazing glove. Just because he isnt going to hit 30+ HR doesnt mean he shouldnt be batting 3rd. Theriot with his OBP should be batting second. Thats where you put people who get on base all the time, but yes he needs to stop trying to steal bases. He does his job well. Soriano doesnt have a great glove but he hits like a mofo and sometimes makes up for his bad glove with his cannon arm. Our bench is sick, our coaching is the best I have ever seen in a Cubs uniform, our pitchers are all SICK (except Howry), our road record is now .500 and our home record is amongst the best. STOP COMPLAINING PEOPLE, I realize we are used to bitchin all the time about the Cubs, but not this year, EVERYTHING IS IN PLACE. We might only have one batter with 100 RBIs (Ramirez) and we had our super star out for 30+ games, but everyone is doing there part well where they are in the lineup. DONT FIX SOMETHING THAT ISNT BROKEN!!! GO CUBS!!! I am so excited being back in Chicago to go to this next homestand!

"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Aug 17, 2008 4:39 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Suggestion for Sori

put “MOFO 12” on the back of his uni!

"Sometimes I feel like as a Cubs fan if I’m not worrying about something, I’m not doing it right." - HalfBlindCubbieGirl

by CaliCub on Aug 17, 2008 4:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes thank you

I was really happy then came on here and see complaints everywhere, I dont get it

"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Aug 17, 2008 4:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Minor Quibbles, Nothing More

My only concern is that a Theriot baserunning gaffe or a Soriano misplay might cost us a game in the postseason, assuming we get that far.

"Sometimes I feel like as a Cubs fan if I’m not worrying about something, I’m not doing it right." - HalfBlindCubbieGirl

by CaliCub on Aug 17, 2008 4:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yea,

complaining can be a little overbearing. wasnt in the game thread to hear it all. but, there are some issues that may need to be looked at.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark

by preachermancubsfan on Aug 17, 2008 4:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hope so.

no need to get all yell-y. We’re all in agreement: our “problems” are pretty good to have.

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 17, 2008 4:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and the players with less RBIs then usual is because we dont have just 1 star doing all the work. The bases are being cleared by someone new everyday, or everybody does it in 1 game, therefore the RBIs are being spread amongst the team

"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Aug 17, 2008 4:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Some valid points, but understand that not everything is going to be sunshine and rainbows.

We’re on this site to have discussions and arguments about the Cubs, not just to praise them. This place wouldn’t be much fun if we couldn’t get together and have some good debates about our favorite team. We realize how well they’re playing, and are enjoying it, but that doesn’t preclude anyone from offering their opinions on the team or its players.

BTW, A guy with an OBP like Theriot’s would be best suited to leadoff, but since we know that won’t happen, it makes more sense to hit him 8th, in front of the pitcher.

by sackings108 on Aug 17, 2008 4:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree with you 100%

it is a place for great debate, but the thing is… some of these arguments are just because some people dont know how to look at things in a positive light sometimes, you know? and you are right about Theriot, I can see him in the 8 hole, but with Piniella’s amazing coaching decisions, I will trust his decision to keep Theriot there

"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Aug 17, 2008 4:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i agree completely

we are in first place….28 games (i think) above .500….etc etc etc….stop complaining so much people and just be happy…..theriot runs the bases just fine for the most part……sori plays defense just a hair above average….marquis is a quality #5 starter…..lets stop focusing on the few negatives we have and celebrate the many positives we do have

by cubswynn on Aug 17, 2008 5:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Theriot runs the bases just fine?

Can you pass some of what you’re smoking?

by sackings108 on Aug 17, 2008 5:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pointing out that Riot has blunders on the basepaths

is NOT being a debbie downer. thats being honest.

Riot needs to either pick his spots better or just run less.

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 17, 2008 5:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh please

we just came off (what i would call) a huge road series win…..i come on here and the discussion is ripping theriot for his poor baserunning

so yes that is being a debbie downer…..had his poor baserunning cost us the game, then fine rip him all you want, but we just WON….stop finding little things to complain about

by cubswynn on Aug 17, 2008 5:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i agree that we had a GREAT road trip

and i’m as positive as it gets, but saying “no pointing out flaws” is irritating.

on the whole, we have a good team. but there are flaws and it SHOULD be okay to point them out among fellow fans.

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 17, 2008 5:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yet last night...

…you tell everyone to “chill out” when they complained about Fonzie’s pick off?

The only stats I care about are the ones on the back of a baseball card

by carmen_fanzone on Aug 17, 2008 5:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so you think it's okay to be negative?

because I believe that was the point carmen was making, which I completely agree with. Just interesting that 5 minutes ago you were arguing the other side of the coin. Being a hypocrite doesn’t lend much credence to the things you say.

by sackings108 on Aug 17, 2008 5:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what are you talking about

bc carmen was not referring to me…..i wasn’t even on here last night……calm down haha

by cubswynn on Aug 17, 2008 5:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Carmen was getting on HBCG for telling people not to be negative,

the exact thing you were just telling me. Then you say “amen” to carmen’s comment? Makes sense.

by sackings108 on Aug 17, 2008 5:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seems like you're trying to start one

HBCG is usually about as positive as they come. There is nothing wrong with pointing out shortcomings in someone’s game.

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 17, 2008 10:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Aug 17, 2008 5:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

and its pretty hypocritical of me… but when they are names I’ve NEVER seen in game threads before who show up JUST to complain it pisses me off.

So yeah. I’m a hypocrit.

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 17, 2008 5:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, I don't frequent the game threads like I used to....

….but I was kind of shocked to see that from you after only a couple negative comments.

The only stats I care about are the ones on the back of a baseball card

by carmen_fanzone on Aug 17, 2008 5:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was trying to nip it in the bud

but I should have just left it alone. Thats why I left when I did.

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 17, 2008 5:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's developed a pattern of bad baserunning, and boneheaded plays in general.

It may not have affected the outcome of today’s game, but in the long run it does hurt the team to have a player constantly making baserunning mistakes like Theriot does. Obviously I’m thrilled with the roadtrip, and think this is a great team with great prospects for the rest of the season. That does not stop me from being able to critique problems that may eventually hurt the team.

by sackings108 on Aug 17, 2008 5:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Since you read what I wrote, and that was your reply, then

you really must just be an idiot. No need for this conversation to continue, because clearly you have problems comprehending anything I write. Go play in the street.

by sackings108 on Aug 17, 2008 5:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

easy easy easy sackings

no need to name call here

"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Aug 17, 2008 5:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hang on

isnt calling someone a “debbie downer” name calling? It certainly seems just as insulting.

Reed Ballgame - best CF in the MLB

by californiachicagoan on Aug 18, 2008 1:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You really think

calling someone an idiot and telling them to go play in the street are the same as calling someone a Debbie Downer?

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 18, 2008 1:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

again

what are you talking about…..this whole conversation started bc i made a comment that people need to chill out about the few problems we do have and to focus on the good things

my point was don’t be a debbie downer, not arguing about theriots poor base running so writing that was me making a point that despite having a good point, it still qualifies you as one

by cubswynn on Aug 17, 2008 5:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So, due to the fact that Ryan Theriot is a bad baserunner,

I’m a debbie downer. Got it. Let’s agree to stop talking about this now.

by sackings108 on Aug 17, 2008 5:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i didn't say that!

you’re now making statements that simply have no logic behind them…..i agree this conversation with someone like you is going nowhere

YOU focusing on theriots poor baserunning when we just had a huge win most certainly gives you the title of debbie downer

by cubswynn on Aug 17, 2008 5:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Al brought it up in his recap.

That’s why it was even being discussed. Go beef to him about it.

by sackings108 on Aug 17, 2008 5:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

here's the difference btw you and him

sure he made good points about theriot being a crappy baserunner, which is fine bc ultimately he comes to the the conclusion that “no harm” was done……he’s not a debbie downer like you

he (like we all do) realizes theriots got something to work on, but does he dwell on it? no….BIG DIFFERENCE

by cubswynn on Aug 17, 2008 5:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You both have good points

but you’re both coming at this the wrong way. Yes, ALWAYS pointing out negative things IS a downer, but saying “hey this guy needs to improve this aspect” is not. So I guess it just depends on how you’re reading Sackings. I don’t see him as being a downer just a “hey I don’t like that part of this game but man am i glad we won”.

Deep breathes. Everything is FINE.

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 17, 2008 5:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

read my above comment

we’re on the same page…..my point is don’t dwell on the negatives when we have so much to celebrate

by cubswynn on Aug 17, 2008 5:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree completely

I just don’t see why you’re still coming across so snippy.

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 17, 2008 5:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this was from today.. I think its snarky.

Since you read what I wrote, and that was your reply, then
you really must just be an idiot. No need for this conversation to continue, because clearly you have problems comprehending anything I write. Go play in the street.

"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.

by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 17, 2008 5:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so confused

don’t know who is talking to who here

by cubswynn on Aug 17, 2008 5:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Madison replied in the wrong spot.

I think she was tyring to reply to Sackings asking where he was insulting.

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 17, 2008 5:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not snippy

remember i’m the only one that seems to be happy about todays game haha

by cubswynn on Aug 17, 2008 5:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm THRILLED aobut todays game

that was a great game. Demps was fantastic. Rami was as clutch as usual. it was good.

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 17, 2008 5:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am.

I think you are prolly right….. sackings makes some great points, he obviously knows quite a bit about baseball. Which is great, we are all here to discuss and learn.
but my problem is w/ the snarkiness of the other comments he makes. There is no need to tell someone to go play in the street.

"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.

by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 17, 2008 5:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like your way of looking at things

Sackings just sounds a lot meaner then he probably is, we all like to get our points across, and some of us are more stuborn then others. I am one of those people I am sure, but I like your way of looking at things as well. The positives of Theriot outweigh the negatives of Theriot… same for Sori and same for Lee, not to sure about fukudome though, but well see

"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Aug 17, 2008 5:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't mean to come across like that, I apologize if I do.

And I agree with you about Lee and Soriano, because they are both valuable offensive players, and defensive in Lee’s case. We’ll agree to disagree on Theriot.

by sackings108 on Aug 17, 2008 5:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dont think you come off like that personally

I just wanted to let some people know that just because you disagree doesnt mean your are trying to kick their ass or anything… haha

"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Aug 17, 2008 5:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

It’s called a “difference of opinion” for a reason. Some just feel the need to keep arguing, like they’re finally going to “convert” the other person into agreeing with them. That rarely happens. LOL.

The only stats I care about are the ones on the back of a baseball card

by carmen_fanzone on Aug 17, 2008 5:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think discussing Theriot here is much like

religion and politics. :)

"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.

by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 17, 2008 5:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+10

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 17, 2008 6:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol and... yep

but then, I like discussing religion and politics

by Emelie on Aug 17, 2008 6:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so d-lee hits into alot of

DP’s. should we bench him?? no, it is a downfall of his game. quit making his one downfall make him sound like someone who hurts the team, and doesnt contribute

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark

by preachermancubsfan on Aug 17, 2008 5:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dude,

what is your hate for theriot? i havent heard anything bad about him until yesterday, when he got CS again. maybe Lou shouldnt put the steal sign on, esp in that situation. maybe theriot doesnt want to steal.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark

by preachermancubsfan on Aug 17, 2008 5:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Preacherman, let's agree to disagree about this one.

No need to rehash the Theriot argument. Some people like him, some people don’t, and we’re not gonna convince eachother otherwise.

by sackings108 on Aug 17, 2008 5:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Aug 17, 2008 5:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreeto disagree...

it just gets old having the same convo, and then you say to drop it, whjen you brought it up

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark

by preachermancubsfan on Aug 17, 2008 5:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I clearly wasn't dropping it above, I just didn't think we needed to have it again.

But since you asked, sure. Here’s my problem with Theriot’s baserunning. He constantly makes egregious baserunning gaffes, and has shown no signs that he’s getting better at it. Here’s a link: http://www.wrigleyville23.com/2008/08/tootblans-finally-catalogued-for.html

Ok, now let’s talk about other things wrong with him. He can’t field worth a damn, he gets to NOTHING outside of his fielding zone, and his arm is about as strong as a 5 yr old girl.

Now lets talk about his power, or lack thereof. All he does is hit singles. That’s it. Theriot will never really drive in runs, because he simply isn’t capable of it. All he’s good for is some empty OBP.

In conclusion, Ryan Theriot is a scrappy singles hitter who plays horrible defensively, runs the bases like Arnie from What’s Eating Gilbert Grape, and can’t get to second base. I’m happy to not drop it, and defend my point of view.

by sackings108 on Aug 17, 2008 5:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow dude

you totally took his comment the wrong way……..

by cubswynn on Aug 17, 2008 5:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and yet, despite all of this...

We’re still 28 games over .500.

:)

The only stats I care about are the ones on the back of a baseball card

by carmen_fanzone on Aug 17, 2008 5:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep, and it's been a great season.

I know many of you won’t agree with me about Theriot, and that’s fine. We’re all here to express our differing opinions, that’s what makes this place great.

P.S…. imagine how much further up we could be with a real SS :-}

by sackings108 on Aug 17, 2008 5:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Saying anything about Theriot:

can open… worms EVERYWHERE.

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 17, 2008 5:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sad part is, i'm not even a huge theriot fan

my original arguement had nothing to do with his abilities and it turned into this haha

by cubswynn on Aug 17, 2008 5:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you missed it

you are about half an hour late.

"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.

by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 17, 2008 6:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Theriot is bcb version of

religion and politics… everyone has an opinion and rarely will anyone chance theres.

:)

"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.

by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 17, 2008 5:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good point

Theriot and Marquis are like discussing politics and religion.

better???

:)

"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.

by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 17, 2008 5:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I knew that was coming...

..or if Howry pitching was better.
…or if DWard had more PH’s
…or if Marquis was better
…or if Marmol wouldn’t have had a mid season collapse.
….etc etc etc

Hell, we’d be 124-0!!!!

The only stats I care about are the ones on the back of a baseball card

by carmen_fanzone on Aug 17, 2008 5:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now that's what I'm talking about!

This team should clearly be 173-0 when all is said and done.

by sackings108 on Aug 17, 2008 6:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and someone would still find something to complain about

oh.no.I.did.not.just.step.into.this

Even Michael Phelps and his coach said they had things they could have done better. Go figure!

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Aug 17, 2008 7:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

there's always room

for improvement. I don’t think any serious athlete would ever say anything different.

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 17, 2008 7:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you're right carmen we suck

theriot sucks at running

dlee sucks at not grounding into dp’s

aramis sucks at sliding

waaaah waaaaahhh……debbie downer

by cubswynn on Aug 17, 2008 5:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is why this argument continues.

I constantly defend Lee, because I think he gets too much grief for his DP’s. I love Aramis, and don’t complain about anything with him. He’s a great player. So build up your strawmen, and I will continue to burn them. I do think Theriot sucks at running, however.

by sackings108 on Aug 17, 2008 5:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haha

this is why i think you are looking for an arguement

by cubswynn on Aug 17, 2008 6:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i wasn't even talking to you

i was responding to carmen and continuing what they said and you get all personal and start talking about “buring my strawmen”

aramis sucks at sliding? did you really think i was being serious that someone said that?!?!

by cubswynn on Aug 17, 2008 6:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Saying I'm burning your fake arguments

is not getting personal. Do you know what a strawman argument is?

by sackings108 on Aug 17, 2008 6:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

replace personal with defensive

wrong word

and no i have no clue what the strawman argument means, could you PLEASE explain it to me

by cubswynn on Aug 17, 2008 6:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

here I thought I broker a peace deal

:(

have at it boys…. I give up

"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.

by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 17, 2008 6:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hey

can we stop this? please?

Sackings is snarky. You’re obviously convinced he’s a downer.

Thats fine. But we WON. Can we not do this anymore? Please?

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 17, 2008 5:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Group Hug Time!!!!

The only stats I care about are the ones on the back of a baseball card

by carmen_fanzone on Aug 17, 2008 6:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

plus cubbiegirl is a feisty one

don’t know if we’d want to her mad. so made a truce is in order.

"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.

by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 17, 2008 6:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sorry,

i just like theriot. so im gonna defend him. if he wants to point out all the bad things about one person, let him, all the while EVERYONE has something that they could probably work on…no one on this team is perfect. think of the bad stuff this could do to the clubhouse if we put cedeno in as a starter…it might split the clubhouse

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark

by preachermancubsfan on Aug 17, 2008 6:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Since it was asked.

All the bad things about Ryan Theriot:

  • Baserunning
  • Defense
  • Hitting for extra bases

He can’t pitch, either, if anyone was wondering.

by cwyers on Aug 17, 2008 9:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is there another team in the division lead with this type of shortstop?

Let’s look at ’em (AL 5 teams with tie in central):

Tampa – Jason Barlett, .266 BA/.304 OBP/.321 SLG
Sox – Orlando Cabrera, .270/.325/.350
Twins – Brendan Harris, .263/.322/.389
Angels – Erick Aybar, .280/.319/.388
BoSox – Julio Lugo, .268/.355/.330

NL:

Brewers – J.J. Hardy, .276/.337/.462
Mets – Jose Reyes, .305/.363/.492
DBacks – Stephen Drew, .281/.323/.481
Cubs – Ryan Theriot, .316/.396/.372

I know you can kill me in the stats deparment, cwyers, but I’m just sayin…Theriot’s offensive numbers aren’t that off from most of the AL guys, especially those who’s teams lead the division or wild card. We don’t have a Hanley or Tejada or Rollins at short, sure, but we do have a hellava wins with him on the field.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Aug 17, 2008 9:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, that leaves out defense and baserunning

Tampa – Jason Barlett, .266 BA/.304 OBP/.321 SLG 18SB/5CS
Sox – Orlando Cabrera, .270/.325/.350 18/3
Twins – Brendan Harris, .263/.322/.389 1/1
Angels – Erick Aybar, .280/.319/.388 6/2
BoSox – Julio Lugo, .268/.355/.330 12/4

NL:

Brewers – J.J. Hardy, .276/.337/.462 2/1
Mets – Jose Reyes, .305/.363/.492 40/12
DBacks – Stephen Drew, .281/.323/.481 3/1
Dodgers – Furcal, .366/..448/.597 8/2
Cubs – Ryan Theriot, .316/.396/.372 18/13

So all the NL guys out OPS Ryan, and all the AL guys (but one) out run him. They have at least 3/1 stolen base ratios, where Ryan has less than half that success rate. The only guy I would say he definitely has better all around numbers than is Harris, and he isnt even an everyday SS. He spends half his time at 2b.

And we havent even factored in D yet. Ryan has the 2nd lowest range factor of all qualified SS, and 3rd lowest zone rating.

I like Ryan. I appreciate hustle. I’m glad to have him on the team. He is good at putting the bat on the ball, and his increased walks are a godsend. He also has no range, no arm, no power, and has had a perplexing bad year stealing bases this year.

He has good and bad, and if Onedec had continued his nice start to the year, he should have taken over or at least be given more time at short. However, with the reappearance of Cedeno, Ryan’s job is safe in my mind.

The idea of replacing Soriano with Theriot at the leadoff seems like a big mistake. Espcially given the possibility that Fonzie has his wheels back. .900 OPS or .767? 12/1 SB/CS (in 350 PA) or 18/13 (in 500 PA)? I think those outweigh the .340 to .396 OBP advantage that Ryan has.

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by californiachicagoan on Aug 18, 2008 1:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe it's our

fault and we jinxed Cedeno by calling him Onedec when he had that nice turn around. I’m not a superstitious person but…..

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 18, 2008 2:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jinxed him how?

He’s still a superior player to Theriot.

by sackings108 on Aug 18, 2008 2:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was a joke.

Having a sense of humor on here will get you along way.

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 18, 2008 2:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the thing is

Theriot is a bad base stealer…. I agree, but explain the bad base running? And seriously guys the man makes $390,000 and is significantly better at OBP then anyone on the Cubs… 390, frickin, 000 dollars!!!!! in MLB!!!!!!!!!!

"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Aug 17, 2008 5:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok ok

Thank you for that, I really did want to see something like that, I still think his positives out weigh the negatives, but your point was proven very well… thank you

"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Aug 17, 2008 5:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sackings108

this is the second day in a row you are here insulting people. Is there a reason you can’t prove your point with out insults?

"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.

by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 17, 2008 5:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who did I insult yesterday?

And today, I called cubswynn an idiot, and immediately admitted it was wrong.

by sackings108 on Aug 17, 2008 5:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you didnt

you just are giving your opinions… hence a BLOG thread

"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Aug 17, 2008 5:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Someone asked a question about what happened in the game so far

You got all snarky told them to check out gameday for the update…………… Sue commented that we are all here to learn things.

"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.

by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 17, 2008 5:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sue is the man

or wait… the WOman

"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Aug 17, 2008 5:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my exact comment was:

“check gameday”

Is that an insult?

by sackings108 on Aug 17, 2008 5:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sackings...CubsWynn....HalfblindCubbieGirl

We know how this works… this is a never ending argument that has been going on since atleast I have been a member of this site and probabyl before…. lets just scroll down to the bottom of this page on move onto another convo

"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Aug 17, 2008 5:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fine

but only if we declare me the winner of the arguement…..agreed? okay done

by cubswynn on Aug 17, 2008 5:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like Theriot fine.

I love that he loves the game and plays hard. I just wish he’d run smarter. Thats it to me really.

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 17, 2008 5:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not looking to argue at all. I expressed disappointment

with Theriot’s continuing failure as a baserunner, and you jumped all over me for it. I didn’t want to argue, just express my opinion.

by sackings108 on Aug 17, 2008 5:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ethier solo bomb

4-1 Dodgers

Current temperature in hell: 45 degrees F - and falling!

by wnielsen on Aug 17, 2008 4:39 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Still 4-1 Dodgers, End of 5

"Sometimes I feel like as a Cubs fan if I’m not worrying about something, I’m not doing it right." - HalfBlindCubbieGirl

by CaliCub on Aug 17, 2008 4:44 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Clutch Cubs

Doesn’t it seem that this years team wins the big series or game. Four game sweep of the Brewers, Series win over the Cardinals, Series win over the Marlins(on the road). I believe that is a good sign for our October possibilities.

by Imtrejo on Aug 17, 2008 4:45 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great Win

Was cleaning out a basement workwrom all afternoon, but got to hear Pat during the 8-run 7th. Even the dirtiest jobs (lots of mouse poop to deal with) are tolerable when the Cubs win.

"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI

by sweetswinger on Aug 17, 2008 4:47 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We May Have A Mouse, Too

Our dogs have been sniffing along the baseboards like crazy, and my wife said she saw some mouse drops on the counter this morning.

"Sometimes I feel like as a Cubs fan if I’m not worrying about something, I’m not doing it right." - HalfBlindCubbieGirl

by CaliCub on Aug 17, 2008 4:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Peanut butter

on a snap trap – works like a charm for me.

Current temperature in hell: 45 degrees F - and falling!

by wnielsen on Aug 17, 2008 4:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mice

We’ve caught several in the kitchen. Peanut butter on snap trap workd for us to. But I had no idea how bad the situation was in the basement workroom. Also, we have three cats in our house. I feel like DFAing the lot of them. Only kidding. We love our kiddies, monor-league mousers though they may be.

"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI

by sweetswinger on Aug 17, 2008 4:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

Lemme guess, their names are Howry, Eyre, and Marquis!

"Sometimes I feel like as a Cubs fan if I’m not worrying about something, I’m not doing it right." - HalfBlindCubbieGirl

by CaliCub on Aug 17, 2008 5:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply