A Going-Away Present: Cubs 9, Marlins 2
The Cubs beat the Marlins 9-2 this afternoon, winning the series (their sixth straight series win), the season series from the Marlins 4-3, and said goodbye to south Florida for 2008 (Note to Mets and Phillies: please keep the Marlins in third place!) -- and good riddance.
I mean, seriously: a rain delay when it's not raining? And yes, I well remember the non-rain delay on August 23, 1999 at Wrigley Field, when at game time, 7:05, it wasn't raining but the field stayed covered until it DID start raining at 9:15, at which time they called the game. That game, which had a sellout crowd, had to be made up as a conventional single-admission doubleheader two days later, costing the Cubs about $1 million in ticket sales (based on 1999 prices) and likely costing Ed Lynch his job. Today, they delayed the start about 20 minutes, keeping the field covered, because they thought a storm might drift over the park. It never did.
This game didn't start out propitiously for the Cubs -- they kept leaving runners on base, shades of last night, five left on in the first three innings. And let me say right now: I like Ryan Theriot's attitude and hustle. But seriously, he has to stop stealing bases, or trying to, because his 58% success rate (18 SB, 13 CS) is horrid. And what was he thinking, trying to steal third with nobody out in a scoreless game in the third inning? Even Bob Brenly, who nearly always praises Theriot, ripped him for doing that. While Theriot is having a nice year via BA and OBA, what little power he showed last year (30 doubles) is gone (only 16 so far this year). A few days off wouldn't hurt.
Meanwhile, Ryan Dempster was throwing a nice game; his first mistake wasn't really his, it was Alfonso Soriano's, for not playing Cody Ross' high drive off the wall correctly. Thinking he could catch the ball, instead it took a Fenway-like bounce away from him for a triple. If Ross is held at second, maybe he doesn't score, because the next two hitters made outs (a shoestring catch by Kosuke Fukudome helped), and maybe the Cubs then give Hanley Ramirez an intentional walk and get out of the inning. In any case, it was just one run, and Dempster gave up another one on a walk and a double in the sixth, but then got out of the inning with only one more run scoring. In the interim, Soriano had played the next ball hit off the goofy scoreboard in Miami well, and it looked like he had thrown Ramirez out at second base, but it appeared the umpire was out of position to see Mike Fontenot tag him on the leg before it reached the base. No harm, because no runs scored in that inning.
And then the Cubs exploded in the seventh, and once again, everyone contributed; the Marlins' Renyel Pinto, so good early in the year, had an 18.00 ERA in five August appearances coming into this game with six walks in three innings, and after Mike Fontenot and Reed Johnson had started the inning with hits, for some reason, Fredi Gonzalez left Pinto in to throw to four straight right-handed hitters, with predictable results: he walked Mark DeRosa, then Soriano doubled in the tying runs (past a sliding Luis Gonzalez, who might have been able to make that play five years ago, but not at two weeks shy of age 41), one out later -- for some inexplicable reason -- Gonzalez ordered Derrek Lee walked intentionally to pitch to Aramis Ramirez with the bases loaded.
Now, we all love D-Lee, but seriously, who would YOU rather face with the bases loaded? In his career, prior to today, Lee is .214/.254/.491 with 8 HR with the bases loaded; A-Ram is .337/.336/.625 with 7 HR (that's not a misprint of the OBA there -- he's got 14 bases-loaded sac flies, and 7 bases-loaded walks). Anyway, we're all glad the Marlins chose to face Ramirez, who smacked a double down the line just out of reach of third baseman Jorge Cantu, breaking the tie to give the Cubs a 4-2 lead. Ramirez, incidentally, now seems fine after that minor shakeup Thursday night in Atlanta.
The best part of watching that was seeing the close-up replay of the dugout with all the Cubs watching intently, then exploding into cheers, led by Johnson and Henry Blanco (who eventually got into the game, and singled and scored, raising his career-best BA to .292), when the ball skipped into left field. It's cool to know that they're rooting that hard for their teammates.
And then, after a sac fly by Dome, two more walks (one intentional, one drawn by ONEDEC!), Johnson (who finished 4-for-5 today and is now batting .314), batting for the second time in the inning, drove a ball to the wall in left-center, clearing the bases and finishing the 8-run inning, the 22nd time the Cubs have scored five or more runs in an inning, far and away the most in the NL (the Phillies with 17 are 2nd).
Dempster got a deserved win, his 14th (one short of his career best), with the offensive outburst and Neal Cotts, Jeff Samardzija and Carlos Marmol finished up without incident, throwing three innings of one-hit relief.
So the Cubs are back to .500 on the road at 31-31, and finish up a 5-1 road trip, their best multicity trip of the year (I say "multicity" because the four-game sweep at Milwaukee, a single-city trip, was also outstanding). Goodbye to Miami and that silly mosquito mascot. We await the result of today's Brewers-Dodgers game, at this writing led by the Dodgers 3-0 in the second after two first-inning homers, to see if the Cubs will go into the off-day up by 4.5 or 5.5 games.
Great series, great trip. Enjoy the off-day tomorrow.
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First!
and damn, are you fast. Whoo hool cubs win.
"Don't worry, Joey. We'll go next year. They're in the World Series all the time" ---My grandfather to my sick father, October 10, 1945
by flyingdonut on
Aug 17, 2008 3:40 PM CDT
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Thought you guys might like a fast recap.
Figured once it got to 8-2, I could start writing.
What a terrific road trip!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 17, 2008 3:42 PM CDT
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no jinxing it!
Cubs fans started singing in the ballpark, and Marmol promptly threw six or seven balls in a row.
Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on
Aug 17, 2008 3:45 PM CDT
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True enough.
Maybe he needs to pitch in tenser situations.
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by Al on
Aug 17, 2008 3:46 PM CDT
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For Sure
I’m a bit uneasy with all the ‘W’ flags being waived before the game is over too. I don’t think I’m superstitious but why tempt fate?
And so it goes.
by Luigi on
Aug 17, 2008 4:14 PM CDT
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Me too.
It drives me crazy when people unfurl the W flags before the win is secured. Singing “Go Cubs Go” was over the line, too. All’s well that ends well, though, I suppose.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 17, 2008 4:29 PM CDT
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even len pointed that out
w/ the always fun line “I’m not superstitious, but” lol
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Aug 17, 2008 4:32 PM CDT
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Yeah, I heard that.
I have neighbors who fly the W flag outside their houses. That’s great and all, but I go crazy when they leave the flag up after a Cubs loss. I’ve seriously considered donning my ninja gear and taking a few of them down. Fortunately, that won’t be necessary today.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 17, 2008 4:33 PM CDT
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or, perhaps...
Al’s well that ends well?
by Emelie on
Aug 17, 2008 4:37 PM CDT
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That works.
Or maybe “Al’s well when all ends well.”
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 17, 2008 4:41 PM CDT
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Both Well Played
LOL
"Sometimes I feel like as a Cubs fan if I’m not worrying about something, I’m not doing it right." - HalfBlindCubbieGirl
by CaliCub on
Aug 17, 2008 4:41 PM CDT
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Technically...
…. if you listen to the lyrics, the fans were singing the song at the perfect time. The Cubs are gonna win today. I’ve always thought it was silly to sing that after they’ve already won.
If Red Auerbach (sp?) were a Cub fan, he’d have been lit up already.
Dome-san!!
by Goat Whisperer on
Aug 18, 2008 9:05 AM CDT
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and then you didn't change it
when it was 9-2 ;)
by nathew on
Aug 17, 2008 4:15 PM CDT
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holy cow!
that was fast.
"I'm like the tide baby: I come and go as I please." --Johnny Drama
by cubs2234 on
Aug 17, 2008 3:42 PM CDT
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Al:
why so long to post the recap?
slowing down in your old age?
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on
Aug 17, 2008 3:43 PM CDT
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LMAO
I did have to wait for the last out! Marmol made me wait a whole extra batter!
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by Al on
Aug 17, 2008 3:45 PM CDT
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BTW, we are the same age.
how great is it to have the Cubs at .500 on the road AND to do it against the Fish!!
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on
Aug 17, 2008 3:47 PM CDT
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You bet.
It does look like they finally have the Florida monkey off their back. Great series.
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by Al on
Aug 17, 2008 3:47 PM CDT
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Probably because I didn't go this time :(
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on
Aug 17, 2008 7:29 PM CDT
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Did you catch?
Did you catch the morning news on 7? They talked about the new Cubs book and showed your picture. Was giving the dog a bath when heard it.
Go Cubs
by cubstoseriesby100 on
Aug 17, 2008 3:55 PM CDT
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That was promoted on yesterday's game thread.
I was the one who got Will booked on the show.
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by Al on
Aug 17, 2008 4:33 PM CDT
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Oops
I was tied up in and out all day. Was supposed to go to gencom but someone screwed up the hotel reservations.
Go Cubs
by cubstoseriesby100 on
Aug 17, 2008 6:56 PM CDT
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Dang that was fast!
Well the Cubs don’t pay Fonzi for his glove but for his bat and he came through with a double to tie it up and set up Reed Johnson who put it away for us.
And Theroit needs to work on his dancing feet. But with a win like this and 2 out of 3 in Flordia I’m a happy guy.
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
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by bubbamike the one and only on
Aug 17, 2008 3:44 PM CDT
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Fonzi
made some decent catches. And you don’t often see him go back to the wall and jump. I was pleased to see him do that, even if he didn’t make the play. And the second time it was hit off the wall, he played it PERFECTLY. That runner was OUT at second.
Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on
Aug 17, 2008 3:46 PM CDT
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Ramirez WAS out.
That play didn’t cost them a run, but the first one may have.
In any case, all’s well that ends well.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 17, 2008 3:48 PM CDT
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Theriot
I didn’t like the attempted steal (or the caught stealing!) either – but was that Teriot’s decision? I thought it was a double-steal, and assumed it came from the bench to try to get them kick-started.
Al is right thought, that his percentages are aweful.
a win is a win.
by JoToPo on
Aug 17, 2008 3:46 PM CDT
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Len and Bob thought
that Riot did it on his own, and Lee was just paying attention.
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by drewishdrewid on
Aug 17, 2008 3:47 PM CDT
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That's possible - Lee is a smart ballplayer
a win is a win.
by JoToPo on
Aug 17, 2008 3:48 PM CDT
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If Theriot went on his own...
… then someone has to stop him.
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by Al on
Aug 17, 2008 3:49 PM CDT
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I'll bet
Theriot thinks he can dunk too!
""At the end of the day, boys, you don't tell me how rough the water is, you bring in the ship." -- Steve Stone
by kentmeister on
Aug 17, 2008 3:59 PM CDT
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For a good 1/2 to 3/4's of this season
I have screamed: DON’T STEAL, THERIOT. Fat lot good it does. One would think one would learn from experience, but nooooo.
by Emelie on
Aug 17, 2008 4:40 PM CDT
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we could procure
a sniper rifle from somewhere. (:P)
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by drewishdrewid on
Aug 17, 2008 4:43 PM CDT
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with foam bullets
just enough to get his bleeping attention, or maybe one of those t-shirt guns…
by Emelie on
Aug 17, 2008 6:28 PM CDT
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Just tell him
that Z will be waiting in the dugout for him if he gets CS. That should stop him.
by Archie on
Aug 18, 2008 9:11 AM CDT
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Based on the replay..........
………..it looked like this came from the dugout. Seemed Lee broke at the same time as Theriot, so I’d say Lou has to accept the blame.
After last night’s poor showing, suspect he was looking to shake things up early.
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by tville on
Aug 17, 2008 4:06 PM CDT
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Yep, looked like a double steal....
Can’t fault Riot too much, though he got a horrible jump…
The only stats I care about are the ones on the back of a baseball card
by carmen_fanzone on
Aug 17, 2008 4:15 PM CDT
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Well then
you actually can fault him.
The Theriot apologists are astounding. If you need a single with nobody on, he’s fine. But he does absolutely nothing else well.
by Leon Durham on
Aug 17, 2008 4:22 PM CDT
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Bat Him 8th
and move DeRo/Fonty to 2nd in the order?
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by CaliCub on
Aug 17, 2008 4:24 PM CDT
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Theriot should be hitting 8th or 9th. Lou won't hit him 9th, so bat him 8th.
DeRo should hit 2nd.
by sackings108 on
Aug 17, 2008 4:26 PM CDT
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The Nice Thing About Theriot Batting 8th
is that, assuming he gets on and the pitcher either gets on or makes only the 1st/2nd out, Soriano has an RBI opportunity.
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by CaliCub on
Aug 17, 2008 4:28 PM CDT
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Even better
Move DeRo to second, bat Cedeno 8th, and bench Theriot
by Leon Durham on
Aug 17, 2008 4:27 PM CDT
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Can Cedeno Match Theriot's OBP
given the same number of at bats?
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by CaliCub on
Aug 17, 2008 4:29 PM CDT
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The thing is,
Cedeno’s glove is better, and he’s widely considered to be a much better hitter. He may not post the same OBP, but will hit with some pop.
by sackings108 on
Aug 17, 2008 4:31 PM CDT
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maybe, maybe not
Riot can NOT, however, match Cedeno’s power.
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by drewishdrewid on
Aug 17, 2008 4:44 PM CDT
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quite.
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by drewishdrewid on
Aug 17, 2008 4:51 PM CDT
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seems to me that
theriot does a hell of a job getting on base before the heart of the order comes up……..thats what we need in the 2 hole.
by cubsmania on
Aug 17, 2008 7:37 PM CDT
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and then getting thrown out on a botched steal.
sorry. couldn’t resist. I’ll sit down now.
by Emelie on
Aug 17, 2008 7:41 PM CDT
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You rebel you. :D
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on
Aug 18, 2008 9:21 AM CDT
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I can't imagine Lou putting a double steal on
with no outs and Ramy at the plate. Not even Ned Yost would do something that stupid. DLee just did a good job of following the lead runner.
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by DeRoMyHero on
Aug 17, 2008 7:58 PM CDT
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With the offense............
……….scuffling last night, I can see Lou making this call early in the game.
The replays pretty much verify Lee moving with the pitch. He certainly wasn’t looking at Theriot.
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by tville on
Aug 17, 2008 8:19 PM CDT
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Great Roadrip!
Now let’s go home and beat up on Dusty.
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by CubbieintheSouth on
Aug 17, 2008 3:46 PM CDT
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Good night from me as well. Hope to see you Wednesday night (next time the Cubs are on here in Denver).
IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!
by Cubfansince1957 on
Aug 17, 2008 3:49 PM CDT
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Respek Da Cubs, Yo!
and that’s a “W”

by nervousCUBlover on
Aug 17, 2008 3:52 PM CDT
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BOOYAKASHAH!!!
I’d been monitoring this one at the pool all afternoon and got home just in time to see Marmol wrap it up. What a great offensive explosion. Great pitching by Demp and the pen. And a fine, fine 5-1 road trip. Now it’s time to follow the Dodgers-Brewers game and root for the other boys in blue.
!!!! CUBS WIN !!!!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 17, 2008 3:55 PM CDT
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Right on, Al
could not believe you’d walk D-Lee in that spot the way he’s hit in clutch spot vs. the way Ramirez has. And the Pinto thing was just laughable—and we all know the dangers of Pintos backing up!
Lou gets his share of criticism but the days are few in which we get outmanaged. I don’t think he pushes as many buttons as he did last year (hit and run, etc.) but more often than not his decisions work out.
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by kentmeister on
Aug 17, 2008 3:56 PM CDT
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huh?
Now, we all love D-Lee, but seriously, who would YOU rather face with the bases loaded?
This would be relevant if DLee was up with the bases loaded, but he wasn’t. He was up with runners on 2nd/3rd (where he has hit .325/.529/.663 in his career, which, FWIW, is better than ARam’s .337/.336/.625 with the bases loaded).
With that said… I still wouldn’t have walked him. But at least get the facts straight.
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by big_lowitzki on
Aug 17, 2008 4:01 PM CDT
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Yeah.
Derrek is still a dangerous hitter. Granted, he hasn’t hit for as much power as we would like — he still is one of our most potent hitters.
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by Unique on
Aug 17, 2008 4:04 PM CDT
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I'd rather have Ramirez up there any day of the week.
by sackings108 on
Aug 17, 2008 4:13 PM CDT
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Didn't The Same Thing Happen vs. the White Sox
this year, at one of the games at Wrigley?
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by CaliCub on
Aug 17, 2008 4:15 PM CDT
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they IBB'd Lee to get to Rammy, and he crushed one, I believe.
by sackings108 on
Aug 17, 2008 4:19 PM CDT
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was trying to remember that myself.
but really? I love Derrek… but close and late with RISP? I want Rami up everyday of the week in that situation.
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Aug 17, 2008 4:34 PM CDT
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not when he is in those slumps of his
DLee is fine, he just isnt a flashy player so he gets more grief then most when he isnt hitting 400. Every since his really high average years he has alot to live up to, but he still our guy
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by SouthsideCUBSfan on
Aug 17, 2008 4:34 PM CDT
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Of course.
But many here act like walking Lee to face Ramirez is like walking Blanco to face Ramirez.
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by Unique on
Aug 17, 2008 4:44 PM CDT
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Nobody is saying that. Many of you just overrate Lee.
by sackings108 on
Aug 17, 2008 4:45 PM CDT
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I didn't say anyone said that.
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by Unique on
Aug 17, 2008 4:47 PM CDT
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Acting like that, saying that. Semantics.
by sackings108 on
Aug 17, 2008 4:47 PM CDT
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Ok whatever.
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by Unique on
Aug 17, 2008 4:48 PM CDT
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BTW 'nique
Seven months ago I went through what you’re going through now. Nine days late!
Don’t worry though. Your daughter will get here eventually. Ours did and she was probably healthier for it.
Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?
by Josh77 on
Aug 18, 2008 1:42 AM CDT
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True enough.
In that SITUATION, Lee was the batter to face. You pitch around him, hope he makes an out.
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by Al on
Aug 17, 2008 4:34 PM CDT
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Sure...
… that may be true.
But the paragraph you wrote doesn’t make any sense if it is talking about that SITUATION.
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by big_lowitzki on
Aug 17, 2008 7:36 PM CDT
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Yes, you're right
I should have said something like, “The Marlins probably should have pitched to Lee, since Ramirez has been a better RBI man this year”, or something like that. Instead I mixed up numbers I shouldn’t have.
Better?
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by Al on
Aug 17, 2008 8:22 PM CDT
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that would be...
…. much better.
You compared the current situation that ARam found himself in to a hypothetical situation for Derek Lee that didn’t exist in this game.
Further… based on your logic, it would have made sense to walk Lee, being that Lee had better numbers in the actual situation than ARam did in the actual situation.
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by big_lowitzki on
Aug 17, 2008 8:26 PM CDT
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I understand this.
I was making a comparison that wasn’t logical… but for some reason it made sense to me while I was writing it. Got to get more sleep.
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by Al on
Aug 17, 2008 8:33 PM CDT
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I think we get the point, dude.
It was an accident. Why not comment with this amount of tenacity when the facts are right?
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on
Aug 17, 2008 9:16 PM CDT
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pretty sure...
… that Al can defend himself.
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by big_lowitzki on
Aug 17, 2008 10:21 PM CDT
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and...
.. comment with “tenacity” when the facts are right?
What do you want me to do… say something like:
Great job Al! You got the facts right this time!
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by big_lowitzki on
Aug 17, 2008 10:23 PM CDT
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hm.
there’s something to be said about wanting to be completely accurate in everything you do, but generally, when people notice small mistakes or lapses in logic, they tend to let it go. you’re reading a baseball discussion forum man, not a freaking dissertation for a PhD. Let it go.
by ThisIsResolute on
Aug 18, 2008 1:11 AM CDT
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umm...
by big_lowitzki on
Aug 18, 2008 6:51 AM CDT
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No.
Al let it go. I was thinking as I read above that it was a very graceful and humble exit by Al. It could have turned into a brawl, but he just bowed out. You didn’t let it go, you pushed it until Al backed down.
Not trying to get back into it. Don’t want to get back into it. However, don’t try to take credit for letting it go.
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Scoreboard Update
Crew batting in the 4th
Still 3-0 Dodgers
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Aug 17, 2008 4:07 PM CDT
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Cameron solo shot
3-1 Dodgers
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Aug 17, 2008 4:10 PM CDT
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That's the last time
I change the channel in frustration in the 6th inning.
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Aug 17, 2008 4:13 PM CDT
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time to get a DVR
then you can zoom through all the bad parts ;)
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Aug 17, 2008 4:17 PM CDT
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I seriously need to join everyone
in the 21st century.
Ok.. if the Cubs make the playoffs, I’ll get myself a Tivo.
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Aug 17, 2008 4:23 PM CDT
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Al, thank you for starting to see some of the truth about Theriot.
It’s refreshing.
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Aug 17, 2008 4:19 PM CDT
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Softball Rules For The Riot, Too
No leading off first base until after the pitcher throws the ball!
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Aug 17, 2008 4:22 PM CDT
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Weeks lost popup in the sun
1st & 2nd – 2 outs for the Dodgers
Bottom 4th
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Aug 17, 2008 4:22 PM CDT
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Ed Lynch
He was fired because he was crap at his job, and not because of any one incident.
Anyhow, how was he responsible for the decision to delay the start of a game? I thought that was up to the umpires.
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Aug 17, 2008 4:26 PM CDT
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"I Didn't Know Robin Ventura Wanted To Stay In Chicago"
When he said that the day after Ventura signed with the Mets (leaving us stuck with an overripe Gaetti), that’s when Eddie Baby should’ve been axed.
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Aug 17, 2008 4:30 PM CDT
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Eddie Baby should have never been hired to start with...
…and that falls on the shoulders of the blue blooded Captain of the Sweater Vest., McPhail
"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08
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Aug 17, 2008 4:35 PM CDT
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Don't you mean MacFail
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Aug 17, 2008 4:36 PM CDT
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MacPhail Was More Loyal To His Philosophies Than The Cubs
When he first got to the Cubs, MacPhail should’ve realized the resources at his disposal and spent more for top talent. But instead he held the fans hostage with his fiscally responsible, “content to compete within the division” way of running things.
It’s like the T-shirt I once saw that said “YOUR FAILED BUSINESS MODEL IS NOT MY PROBLEM”.
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by CaliCub on
Aug 17, 2008 4:39 PM CDT
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Umpires decision after the first pitch has been thrown?
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by wnielsen on
Aug 17, 2008 4:31 PM CDT
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No, management is responsible up to the first pitch.
Yes, he wasn’t very good at his job. But that game was the last straw.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 17, 2008 4:34 PM CDT
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Is a cool million in ticket sales even that big of a deal?
Not that I have any figures in front of me, but it just doesn’t seem like a large dollar amount for a professional sports team.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
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Aug 17, 2008 7:12 PM CDT
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Remember, we're talking about 1999...
… payrolls and ticket prices were far different nine years ago.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 17, 2008 8:20 PM CDT
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i say...
i wanna beat the dbacks, marlins, and…..heck, the white sox in the postseason!!!
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark
by preachermancubsfan on
Aug 17, 2008 4:31 PM CDT
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you know...
to get all the monkeys off our back all at once
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark
by preachermancubsfan on
Aug 17, 2008 4:33 PM CDT
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dude.
isn’t the postseason itself enough of a monkey? do we really need a gorilla instead? LOL
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Aug 17, 2008 4:35 PM CDT
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why not do it in extreme dramatic fashion?
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark
by preachermancubsfan on
Aug 17, 2008 4:35 PM CDT
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b/c Cubs in October is dramatic enough for me
if we can get 11 I don’t care if they come against Dominican Summer League as long as they count.
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Aug 17, 2008 4:37 PM CDT
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haha, thats great!
i will, like you, take them ANYWAY we can get em
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark
by preachermancubsfan on
Aug 17, 2008 4:38 PM CDT
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Angel Guzman's rehab start in Iowa today:
3 IP/ 0 ER/3 K/1 BB/1 H
Looking good. Al, you ready to admit that he could pitch in the majors this year?
by sackings108 on
Aug 17, 2008 4:32 PM CDT
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That's nice to hear.
Who knows…maybe he’ll be one of the September callups after all.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 17, 2008 4:36 PM CDT
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i just hope we aren't rushing him.
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Aug 17, 2008 4:38 PM CDT
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His injury history definitely is concerning, but he's looking quite strong.
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Aug 17, 2008 4:38 PM CDT
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he just had TJ last august
they rushed Carpenter back and he’s hurt again.
Don’t get me wrong, I’d love for ANYONE to come up and contribute, I just don’t want us to rush someone and risk losing him for even longer.
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Aug 17, 2008 4:40 PM CDT
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Agreed, but Carpenter's value to the Cards is a little different
than Guzman and his value to this team. If we can get some quality outings from him in Sept, I’m all for it.
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Aug 17, 2008 4:44 PM CDT
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I know.
I am just counting on nothing from Guzman… so anything he does contribute is a huge bonus.
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Aug 17, 2008 4:45 PM CDT
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Bullpen Duty?
That way his innings are limited…
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by CaliCub on
Aug 17, 2008 4:46 PM CDT
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Fielder GIDP
Middle of 5th, 3-1 Dodgers.
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by CaliCub on
Aug 17, 2008 4:34 PM CDT
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There are too many people complaining
I dont understand. Marmol did fine, and will be fine. Lee is a SICK SMART BALLPLAYER, and if I hear another person complain about him batting 3rd I am going to go nuts. That is a key spot in the lineup and hes playing just fine, not to mention his amazing glove. Just because he isnt going to hit 30+ HR doesnt mean he shouldnt be batting 3rd. Theriot with his OBP should be batting second. Thats where you put people who get on base all the time, but yes he needs to stop trying to steal bases. He does his job well. Soriano doesnt have a great glove but he hits like a mofo and sometimes makes up for his bad glove with his cannon arm. Our bench is sick, our coaching is the best I have ever seen in a Cubs uniform, our pitchers are all SICK (except Howry), our road record is now .500 and our home record is amongst the best. STOP COMPLAINING PEOPLE, I realize we are used to bitchin all the time about the Cubs, but not this year, EVERYTHING IS IN PLACE. We might only have one batter with 100 RBIs (Ramirez) and we had our super star out for 30+ games, but everyone is doing there part well where they are in the lineup. DONT FIX SOMETHING THAT ISNT BROKEN!!! GO CUBS!!! I am so excited being back in Chicago to go to this next homestand!
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Aug 17, 2008 4:39 PM CDT
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Suggestion for Sori
put “MOFO 12” on the back of his uni!
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by CaliCub on
Aug 17, 2008 4:41 PM CDT
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Feel better?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 17, 2008 4:42 PM CDT
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yes thank you
I was really happy then came on here and see complaints everywhere, I dont get it
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by SouthsideCUBSfan on
Aug 17, 2008 4:42 PM CDT
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Minor Quibbles, Nothing More
My only concern is that a Theriot baserunning gaffe or a Soriano misplay might cost us a game in the postseason, assuming we get that far.
"Sometimes I feel like as a Cubs fan if I’m not worrying about something, I’m not doing it right." - HalfBlindCubbieGirl
by CaliCub on
Aug 17, 2008 4:44 PM CDT
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yea,
complaining can be a little overbearing. wasnt in the game thread to hear it all. but, there are some issues that may need to be looked at.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark
by preachermancubsfan on
Aug 17, 2008 4:44 PM CDT
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Hope so.
no need to get all yell-y. We’re all in agreement: our “problems” are pretty good to have.
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Aug 17, 2008 4:42 PM CDT
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and the players with less RBIs then usual is because we dont have just 1 star doing all the work. The bases are being cleared by someone new everyday, or everybody does it in 1 game, therefore the RBIs are being spread amongst the team
"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes
by SouthsideCUBSfan on
Aug 17, 2008 4:42 PM CDT
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Some valid points, but understand that not everything is going to be sunshine and rainbows.
We’re on this site to have discussions and arguments about the Cubs, not just to praise them. This place wouldn’t be much fun if we couldn’t get together and have some good debates about our favorite team. We realize how well they’re playing, and are enjoying it, but that doesn’t preclude anyone from offering their opinions on the team or its players.
BTW, A guy with an OBP like Theriot’s would be best suited to leadoff, but since we know that won’t happen, it makes more sense to hit him 8th, in front of the pitcher.
by sackings108 on
Aug 17, 2008 4:43 PM CDT
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Agree with you 100%
it is a place for great debate, but the thing is… some of these arguments are just because some people dont know how to look at things in a positive light sometimes, you know? and you are right about Theriot, I can see him in the 8 hole, but with Piniella’s amazing coaching decisions, I will trust his decision to keep Theriot there
"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes
by SouthsideCUBSfan on
Aug 17, 2008 4:44 PM CDT
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i agree completely
we are in first place….28 games (i think) above .500….etc etc etc….stop complaining so much people and just be happy…..theriot runs the bases just fine for the most part……sori plays defense just a hair above average….marquis is a quality #5 starter…..lets stop focusing on the few negatives we have and celebrate the many positives we do have
by cubswynn on
Aug 17, 2008 5:05 PM CDT
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Theriot runs the bases just fine?
Can you pass some of what you’re smoking?
by sackings108 on
Aug 17, 2008 5:06 PM CDT
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okay keep complaining about the small stuff
i love debbie downers
by cubswynn on
Aug 17, 2008 5:12 PM CDT
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pointing out that Riot has blunders on the basepaths
is NOT being a debbie downer. thats being honest.
Riot needs to either pick his spots better or just run less.
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Aug 17, 2008 5:14 PM CDT
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oh please
we just came off (what i would call) a huge road series win…..i come on here and the discussion is ripping theriot for his poor baserunning
so yes that is being a debbie downer…..had his poor baserunning cost us the game, then fine rip him all you want, but we just WON….stop finding little things to complain about
by cubswynn on
Aug 17, 2008 5:18 PM CDT
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i agree that we had a GREAT road trip
and i’m as positive as it gets, but saying “no pointing out flaws” is irritating.
on the whole, we have a good team. but there are flaws and it SHOULD be okay to point them out among fellow fans.
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Aug 17, 2008 5:21 PM CDT
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Yet last night...
…you tell everyone to “chill out” when they complained about Fonzie’s pick off?
The only stats I care about are the ones on the back of a baseball card
by carmen_fanzone on
Aug 17, 2008 5:23 PM CDT
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so you think it's okay to be negative?
because I believe that was the point carmen was making, which I completely agree with. Just interesting that 5 minutes ago you were arguing the other side of the coin. Being a hypocrite doesn’t lend much credence to the things you say.
by sackings108 on
Aug 17, 2008 5:25 PM CDT
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what are you talking about
bc carmen was not referring to me…..i wasn’t even on here last night……calm down haha
by cubswynn on
Aug 17, 2008 5:26 PM CDT
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Carmen was getting on HBCG for telling people not to be negative,
the exact thing you were just telling me. Then you say “amen” to carmen’s comment? Makes sense.
by sackings108 on
Aug 17, 2008 5:27 PM CDT
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amen that the guy made a good point
stop trying to start arguements
by cubswynn on
Aug 17, 2008 5:33 PM CDT
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Seems like you're trying to start one
HBCG is usually about as positive as they come. There is nothing wrong with pointing out shortcomings in someone’s game.
by Shanghai Badger on
Aug 17, 2008 10:09 PM CDT
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+1
"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes
by SouthsideCUBSfan on
Aug 17, 2008 5:25 PM CDT
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yeah
and its pretty hypocritical of me… but when they are names I’ve NEVER seen in game threads before who show up JUST to complain it pisses me off.
So yeah. I’m a hypocrit.
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Aug 17, 2008 5:26 PM CDT
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Well, I don't frequent the game threads like I used to....
….but I was kind of shocked to see that from you after only a couple negative comments.
The only stats I care about are the ones on the back of a baseball card
by carmen_fanzone on
Aug 17, 2008 5:30 PM CDT
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I was trying to nip it in the bud
but I should have just left it alone. Thats why I left when I did.
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Aug 17, 2008 5:33 PM CDT
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He's developed a pattern of bad baserunning, and boneheaded plays in general.
It may not have affected the outcome of today’s game, but in the long run it does hurt the team to have a player constantly making baserunning mistakes like Theriot does. Obviously I’m thrilled with the roadtrip, and think this is a great team with great prospects for the rest of the season. That does not stop me from being able to critique problems that may eventually hurt the team.
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Aug 17, 2008 5:22 PM CDT
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Since you read what I wrote, and that was your reply, then
you really must just be an idiot. No need for this conversation to continue, because clearly you have problems comprehending anything I write. Go play in the street.
by sackings108 on
Aug 17, 2008 5:26 PM CDT
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easy easy easy sackings
no need to name call here
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by SouthsideCUBSfan on
Aug 17, 2008 5:27 PM CDT
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Just for added emphasis. But obviously, point taken.
Did you check out that link below?
by sackings108 on
Aug 17, 2008 5:28 PM CDT
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Hang on
isnt calling someone a “debbie downer” name calling? It certainly seems just as insulting.
Reed Ballgame - best CF in the MLB
by californiachicagoan on
Aug 18, 2008 1:11 PM CDT
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You really think
calling someone an idiot and telling them to go play in the street are the same as calling someone a Debbie Downer?
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on
Aug 18, 2008 1:32 PM CDT
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again
what are you talking about…..this whole conversation started bc i made a comment that people need to chill out about the few problems we do have and to focus on the good things
my point was don’t be a debbie downer, not arguing about theriots poor base running so writing that was me making a point that despite having a good point, it still qualifies you as one
by cubswynn on
Aug 17, 2008 5:30 PM CDT
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So, due to the fact that Ryan Theriot is a bad baserunner,
I’m a debbie downer. Got it. Let’s agree to stop talking about this now.
by sackings108 on
Aug 17, 2008 5:32 PM CDT
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i didn't say that!
you’re now making statements that simply have no logic behind them…..i agree this conversation with someone like you is going nowhere
YOU focusing on theriots poor baserunning when we just had a huge win most certainly gives you the title of debbie downer
by cubswynn on
Aug 17, 2008 5:37 PM CDT
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Al brought it up in his recap.
That’s why it was even being discussed. Go beef to him about it.
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Aug 17, 2008 5:39 PM CDT
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here's the difference btw you and him
sure he made good points about theriot being a crappy baserunner, which is fine bc ultimately he comes to the the conclusion that “no harm” was done……he’s not a debbie downer like you
he (like we all do) realizes theriots got something to work on, but does he dwell on it? no….BIG DIFFERENCE
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Aug 17, 2008 5:43 PM CDT
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You both have good points
but you’re both coming at this the wrong way. Yes, ALWAYS pointing out negative things IS a downer, but saying “hey this guy needs to improve this aspect” is not. So I guess it just depends on how you’re reading Sackings. I don’t see him as being a downer just a “hey I don’t like that part of this game but man am i glad we won”.
Deep breathes. Everything is FINE.
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Aug 17, 2008 5:41 PM CDT
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read my above comment
we’re on the same page…..my point is don’t dwell on the negatives when we have so much to celebrate
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I agree completely
I just don’t see why you’re still coming across so snippy.
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Aug 17, 2008 5:46 PM CDT
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this was from today.. I think its snarky.
Since you read what I wrote, and that was your reply, then
you really must just be an idiot. No need for this conversation to continue, because clearly you have problems comprehending anything I write. Go play in the street.
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on
Aug 17, 2008 5:48 PM CDT
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so confused
don’t know who is talking to who here
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Aug 17, 2008 5:51 PM CDT
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I think Madison replied in the wrong spot.
I think she was tyring to reply to Sackings asking where he was insulting.
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Aug 17, 2008 5:52 PM CDT
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oh and just for the record
i am infact an idiot
by cubswynn on
Aug 17, 2008 5:59 PM CDT
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not snippy
remember i’m the only one that seems to be happy about todays game haha
by cubswynn on
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i'm THRILLED aobut todays game
that was a great game. Demps was fantastic. Rami was as clutch as usual. it was good.
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Aug 17, 2008 5:51 PM CDT
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I am.
I think you are prolly right….. sackings makes some great points, he obviously knows quite a bit about baseball. Which is great, we are all here to discuss and learn.
but my problem is w/ the snarkiness of the other comments he makes. There is no need to tell someone to go play in the street.
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on
Aug 17, 2008 5:52 PM CDT
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I like your way of looking at things
Sackings just sounds a lot meaner then he probably is, we all like to get our points across, and some of us are more stuborn then others. I am one of those people I am sure, but I like your way of looking at things as well. The positives of Theriot outweigh the negatives of Theriot… same for Sori and same for Lee, not to sure about fukudome though, but well see
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by SouthsideCUBSfan on
Aug 17, 2008 5:33 PM CDT
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Don't mean to come across like that, I apologize if I do.
And I agree with you about Lee and Soriano, because they are both valuable offensive players, and defensive in Lee’s case. We’ll agree to disagree on Theriot.
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Aug 17, 2008 5:36 PM CDT
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I dont think you come off like that personally
I just wanted to let some people know that just because you disagree doesnt mean your are trying to kick their ass or anything… haha
"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes
by SouthsideCUBSfan on
Aug 17, 2008 5:39 PM CDT
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+1
It’s called a “difference of opinion” for a reason. Some just feel the need to keep arguing, like they’re finally going to “convert” the other person into agreeing with them. That rarely happens. LOL.
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by carmen_fanzone on
Aug 17, 2008 5:47 PM CDT
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I think discussing Theriot here is much like
religion and politics. :)
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on
Aug 17, 2008 5:53 PM CDT
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lol and... yep
but then, I like discussing religion and politics
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Aug 17, 2008 6:36 PM CDT
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so d-lee hits into alot of
DP’s. should we bench him?? no, it is a downfall of his game. quit making his one downfall make him sound like someone who hurts the team, and doesnt contribute
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark
by preachermancubsfan on
Aug 17, 2008 5:38 PM CDT
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Theriot has a lot more than 1 downfall.
by sackings108 on
Aug 17, 2008 5:40 PM CDT
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dude,
what is your hate for theriot? i havent heard anything bad about him until yesterday, when he got CS again. maybe Lou shouldnt put the steal sign on, esp in that situation. maybe theriot doesnt want to steal.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark
by preachermancubsfan on
Aug 17, 2008 5:42 PM CDT
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Preacherman, let's agree to disagree about this one.
No need to rehash the Theriot argument. Some people like him, some people don’t, and we’re not gonna convince eachother otherwise.
by sackings108 on
Aug 17, 2008 5:43 PM CDT
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+1
"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes
by SouthsideCUBSfan on
Aug 17, 2008 5:43 PM CDT
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agreeto disagree...
it just gets old having the same convo, and then you say to drop it, whjen you brought it up
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark
by preachermancubsfan on
Aug 17, 2008 5:45 PM CDT
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I clearly wasn't dropping it above, I just didn't think we needed to have it again.
But since you asked, sure. Here’s my problem with Theriot’s baserunning. He constantly makes egregious baserunning gaffes, and has shown no signs that he’s getting better at it. Here’s a link: http://www.wrigleyville23.com/2008/08/tootblans-finally-catalogued-for.html
Ok, now let’s talk about other things wrong with him. He can’t field worth a damn, he gets to NOTHING outside of his fielding zone, and his arm is about as strong as a 5 yr old girl.
Now lets talk about his power, or lack thereof. All he does is hit singles. That’s it. Theriot will never really drive in runs, because he simply isn’t capable of it. All he’s good for is some empty OBP.
In conclusion, Ryan Theriot is a scrappy singles hitter who plays horrible defensively, runs the bases like Arnie from What’s Eating Gilbert Grape, and can’t get to second base. I’m happy to not drop it, and defend my point of view.
by sackings108 on
Aug 17, 2008 5:50 PM CDT
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and yet, despite all of this...
We’re still 28 games over .500.
:)
The only stats I care about are the ones on the back of a baseball card
by carmen_fanzone on
Aug 17, 2008 5:54 PM CDT
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Yep, and it's been a great season.
I know many of you won’t agree with me about Theriot, and that’s fine. We’re all here to express our differing opinions, that’s what makes this place great.
P.S…. imagine how much further up we could be with a real SS :-}
by sackings108 on
Aug 17, 2008 5:55 PM CDT
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Saying anything about Theriot:
can open… worms EVERYWHERE.
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Aug 17, 2008 5:56 PM CDT
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sad part is, i'm not even a huge theriot fan
my original arguement had nothing to do with his abilities and it turned into this haha
by cubswynn on
Aug 17, 2008 5:57 PM CDT
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I'm going to sit back here
and watch the games begin :D
by Emelie on
Aug 17, 2008 6:37 PM CDT
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you missed it
you are about half an hour late.
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on
Aug 17, 2008 6:38 PM CDT
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Theriot is bcb version of
religion and politics… everyone has an opinion and rarely will anyone chance theres.
:)
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on
Aug 17, 2008 5:57 PM CDT
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good point
Theriot and Marquis are like discussing politics and religion.
better???
:)
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on
Aug 17, 2008 5:59 PM CDT
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I knew that was coming...
..or if Howry pitching was better.
…or if DWard had more PH’s
…or if Marquis was better
…or if Marmol wouldn’t have had a mid season collapse.
….etc etc etc
Hell, we’d be 124-0!!!!
The only stats I care about are the ones on the back of a baseball card
by carmen_fanzone on
Aug 17, 2008 5:59 PM CDT
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Now that's what I'm talking about!
This team should clearly be 173-0 when all is said and done.
by sackings108 on
Aug 17, 2008 6:00 PM CDT
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and someone would still find something to complain about
oh.no.I.did.not.just.step.into.this
Even Michael Phelps and his coach said they had things they could have done better. Go figure!
"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."
by flachimesa on
Aug 17, 2008 7:19 PM CDT
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there's always room
for improvement. I don’t think any serious athlete would ever say anything different.
Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on
Aug 17, 2008 7:40 PM CDT
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you're right carmen we suck
theriot sucks at running
dlee sucks at not grounding into dp’s
aramis sucks at sliding
waaaah waaaaahhh……debbie downer
by cubswynn on
Aug 17, 2008 5:56 PM CDT
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This is why this argument continues.
I constantly defend Lee, because I think he gets too much grief for his DP’s. I love Aramis, and don’t complain about anything with him. He’s a great player. So build up your strawmen, and I will continue to burn them. I do think Theriot sucks at running, however.
by sackings108 on
Aug 17, 2008 5:59 PM CDT
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i wasn't even talking to you
i was responding to carmen and continuing what they said and you get all personal and start talking about “buring my strawmen”
aramis sucks at sliding? did you really think i was being serious that someone said that?!?!
by cubswynn on
Aug 17, 2008 6:08 PM CDT
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Saying I'm burning your fake arguments
is not getting personal. Do you know what a strawman argument is?
by sackings108 on
Aug 17, 2008 6:09 PM CDT
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replace personal with defensive
wrong word
and no i have no clue what the strawman argument means, could you PLEASE explain it to me
by cubswynn on
Aug 17, 2008 6:11 PM CDT
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here I thought I broker a peace deal
:(
have at it boys…. I give up
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on
Aug 17, 2008 6:13 PM CDT
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hey
can we stop this? please?
Sackings is snarky. You’re obviously convinced he’s a downer.
Thats fine. But we WON. Can we not do this anymore? Please?
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Aug 17, 2008 5:59 PM CDT
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Group Hug Time!!!!
The only stats I care about are the ones on the back of a baseball card
by carmen_fanzone on
Aug 17, 2008 6:01 PM CDT
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plus cubbiegirl is a feisty one
don’t know if we’d want to her mad. so made a truce is in order.
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on
Aug 17, 2008 6:02 PM CDT
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sorry,
i just like theriot. so im gonna defend him. if he wants to point out all the bad things about one person, let him, all the while EVERYONE has something that they could probably work on…no one on this team is perfect. think of the bad stuff this could do to the clubhouse if we put cedeno in as a starter…it might split the clubhouse
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark
by preachermancubsfan on
Aug 17, 2008 6:02 PM CDT
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Since it was asked.
All the bad things about Ryan Theriot:
- Baserunning
- Defense
- Hitting for extra bases
He can’t pitch, either, if anyone was wondering.
by cwyers on
Aug 17, 2008 9:03 PM CDT
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could he coach third base? :P
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by drewishdrewid on
Aug 17, 2008 9:13 PM CDT
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Is there another team in the division lead with this type of shortstop?
Let’s look at ’em (AL 5 teams with tie in central):
Tampa – Jason Barlett, .266 BA/.304 OBP/.321 SLG
Sox – Orlando Cabrera, .270/.325/.350
Twins – Brendan Harris, .263/.322/.389
Angels – Erick Aybar, .280/.319/.388
BoSox – Julio Lugo, .268/.355/.330
NL:
Brewers – J.J. Hardy, .276/.337/.462
Mets – Jose Reyes, .305/.363/.492
DBacks – Stephen Drew, .281/.323/.481
Cubs – Ryan Theriot, .316/.396/.372
I know you can kill me in the stats deparment, cwyers, but I’m just sayin…Theriot’s offensive numbers aren’t that off from most of the AL guys, especially those who’s teams lead the division or wild card. We don’t have a Hanley or Tejada or Rollins at short, sure, but we do have a hellava wins with him on the field.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on
Aug 17, 2008 9:40 PM CDT
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Well, that leaves out defense and baserunning
Tampa – Jason Barlett, .266 BA/.304 OBP/.321 SLG 18SB/5CS
Sox – Orlando Cabrera, .270/.325/.350 18/3
Twins – Brendan Harris, .263/.322/.389 1/1
Angels – Erick Aybar, .280/.319/.388 6/2
BoSox – Julio Lugo, .268/.355/.330 12/4
NL:
Brewers – J.J. Hardy, .276/.337/.462 2/1
Mets – Jose Reyes, .305/.363/.492 40/12
DBacks – Stephen Drew, .281/.323/.481 3/1
Dodgers – Furcal, .366/..448/.597 8/2
Cubs – Ryan Theriot, .316/.396/.372 18/13
So all the NL guys out OPS Ryan, and all the AL guys (but one) out run him. They have at least 3/1 stolen base ratios, where Ryan has less than half that success rate. The only guy I would say he definitely has better all around numbers than is Harris, and he isnt even an everyday SS. He spends half his time at 2b.
And we havent even factored in D yet. Ryan has the 2nd lowest range factor of all qualified SS, and 3rd lowest zone rating.
I like Ryan. I appreciate hustle. I’m glad to have him on the team. He is good at putting the bat on the ball, and his increased walks are a godsend. He also has no range, no arm, no power, and has had a perplexing bad year stealing bases this year.
He has good and bad, and if Onedec had continued his nice start to the year, he should have taken over or at least be given more time at short. However, with the reappearance of Cedeno, Ryan’s job is safe in my mind.
The idea of replacing Soriano with Theriot at the leadoff seems like a big mistake. Espcially given the possibility that Fonzie has his wheels back. .900 OPS or .767? 12/1 SB/CS (in 350 PA) or 18/13 (in 500 PA)? I think those outweigh the .340 to .396 OBP advantage that Ryan has.
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by californiachicagoan on
Aug 18, 2008 1:43 PM CDT
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Maybe it's our
fault and we jinxed Cedeno by calling him Onedec when he had that nice turn around. I’m not a superstitious person but…..
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on
Aug 18, 2008 2:00 PM CDT
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Jinxed him how?
He’s still a superior player to Theriot.
by sackings108 on
Aug 18, 2008 2:02 PM CDT
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It was a joke.
Having a sense of humor on here will get you along way.
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on
Aug 18, 2008 2:18 PM CDT
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the thing is
Theriot is a bad base stealer…. I agree, but explain the bad base running? And seriously guys the man makes $390,000 and is significantly better at OBP then anyone on the Cubs… 390, frickin, 000 dollars!!!!! in MLB!!!!!!!!!!
"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes
by SouthsideCUBSfan on
Aug 17, 2008 5:21 PM CDT
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Go here:
http://www.wrigleyville23.com/2008/08/tootblans-finally-catalogued-for.html
That enough bad baserunning for you?
by sackings108 on
Aug 17, 2008 5:23 PM CDT
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ok ok
Thank you for that, I really did want to see something like that, I still think his positives out weigh the negatives, but your point was proven very well… thank you
"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes
by SouthsideCUBSfan on
Aug 17, 2008 5:28 PM CDT
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sackings108
this is the second day in a row you are here insulting people. Is there a reason you can’t prove your point with out insults?
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on
Aug 17, 2008 5:40 PM CDT
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who did I insult yesterday?
And today, I called cubswynn an idiot, and immediately admitted it was wrong.
by sackings108 on
Aug 17, 2008 5:41 PM CDT
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you didnt
you just are giving your opinions… hence a BLOG thread
"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes
by SouthsideCUBSfan on
Aug 17, 2008 5:44 PM CDT
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Someone asked a question about what happened in the game so far
You got all snarky told them to check out gameday for the update…………… Sue commented that we are all here to learn things.
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on
Aug 17, 2008 5:44 PM CDT
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sue is the man
or wait… the WOman
"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes
by SouthsideCUBSfan on
Aug 17, 2008 5:45 PM CDT
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my exact comment was:
“check gameday”
Is that an insult?
by sackings108 on
Aug 17, 2008 5:45 PM CDT
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Sackings...CubsWynn....HalfblindCubbieGirl
We know how this works… this is a never ending argument that has been going on since atleast I have been a member of this site and probabyl before…. lets just scroll down to the bottom of this page on move onto another convo
"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes
by SouthsideCUBSfan on
Aug 17, 2008 5:47 PM CDT
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I like Theriot fine.
I love that he loves the game and plays hard. I just wish he’d run smarter. Thats it to me really.
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Aug 17, 2008 5:50 PM CDT
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I'm not looking to argue at all. I expressed disappointment
with Theriot’s continuing failure as a baserunner, and you jumped all over me for it. I didn’t want to argue, just express my opinion.
by sackings108 on
Aug 17, 2008 5:52 PM CDT
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Ethier solo bomb
4-1 Dodgers
Current temperature in hell: 45 degrees F - and falling!
by wnielsen on
Aug 17, 2008 4:39 PM CDT
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Still 4-1 Dodgers, End of 5
"Sometimes I feel like as a Cubs fan if I’m not worrying about something, I’m not doing it right." - HalfBlindCubbieGirl
by CaliCub on
Aug 17, 2008 4:44 PM CDT
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Clutch Cubs
Doesn’t it seem that this years team wins the big series or game. Four game sweep of the Brewers, Series win over the Cardinals, Series win over the Marlins(on the road). I believe that is a good sign for our October possibilities.
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Aug 17, 2008 4:45 PM CDT
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Great Win
Was cleaning out a basement workwrom all afternoon, but got to hear Pat during the 8-run 7th. Even the dirtiest jobs (lots of mouse poop to deal with) are tolerable when the Cubs win.
"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI
by sweetswinger on
Aug 17, 2008 4:47 PM CDT
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We May Have A Mouse, Too
Our dogs have been sniffing along the baseboards like crazy, and my wife said she saw some mouse drops on the counter this morning.
"Sometimes I feel like as a Cubs fan if I’m not worrying about something, I’m not doing it right." - HalfBlindCubbieGirl
by CaliCub on
Aug 17, 2008 4:49 PM CDT
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Peanut butter
on a snap trap – works like a charm for me.
Current temperature in hell: 45 degrees F - and falling!
by wnielsen on
Aug 17, 2008 4:49 PM CDT
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Mice
We’ve caught several in the kitchen. Peanut butter on snap trap workd for us to. But I had no idea how bad the situation was in the basement workroom. Also, we have three cats in our house. I feel like DFAing the lot of them. Only kidding. We love our kiddies, monor-league mousers though they may be.
"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI
by sweetswinger on
Aug 17, 2008 4:57 PM CDT
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LOL
Lemme guess, their names are Howry, Eyre, and Marquis!
"Sometimes I feel like as a Cubs fan if I’m not worrying about something, I’m not doing it right." - HalfBlindCubbieGirl


