Anyone else think Sebathia could overheat?

I agree, though not to the extent you think.

I think he’s got some miles left in the tank this season. Having said that, I flipped by the game tonight to check out the score, and he was starting the 8th inning in an 8-2 game, and I think the announcers said his pitch count was about 97.

Now why he was pitching with a six run lead in the eighth, with that high of a pitch count (not high for the eighth inning, but approaching maximum for any pictcher)? It’s because the Brewers don’t trust their pen. THAT’S going to wear him out, i.e., having to pitch late in relatively safe games because they don’t trust their pen.

Can you say 2003 Cubs?

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by Cubfansince1957 on Aug 18, 2008 11:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Also,

the difference between Ned and Lou. Ill take Lou when he is 95 years old drunk and senial. (sp?)

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by Hammer on Aug 19, 2008 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If I'm the Brewers

I ride Sabathia’s arm as hard as I can because I’m not planning to re-sign him.

The Brewers are in a much different situation than the Cubs – first, their playoff berth is not nearly as locked up as the Cubs’ is. Nothing’s guaranteed, but the Cubs are going to have to have a major meltdown not to make the playoffs. The Brewers could play .600 ball going forward and still lose the spot to the Cardinals or maybe even one of the other NL teams if someone has a Rockies-like run.

Second – making the playoffs is success for the Brewers. It’s not so bad if Sabathia gets them to the playoffs and then breaks down. In fact, that would help the PR when they let him walk and take the draft picks. The Brewers team is also very young and has a wider window of contention than the Cubs, whose 2008 decisions have narrowed our window in an effort to go all out for this year. So, while the Cubs need to conserve their arms in the regular season, because our fans will only be happy with a WS win, the Brewers need to burn their arms to make the playoffs.

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by DGU on Aug 18, 2008 11:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Riding CC's arm

That doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, though. With the lead the Brewers had, almost any scrub can close out the game. It’s true they don’t care about what happens to Sabathia next season, but they certainly care what happens up til then. In fact, most pitchers who hadn’t thrown a hundred pitches already probably have an easier ninth inning than Sabathia did.

by Old Style & Ivy on Aug 18, 2008 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not so much commenting on one game's usage

as on how they might use CC in general. I agree it doesn’t make sense to run out CC with a big lead when he’s tired from earlier use. Then again, it didn’t make sense to do that to Marmol earlier in the season and Lou did that, soooo….

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by DGU on Aug 19, 2008 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i remember listening to a game where there hideous pen

blew a five run lead in the ninth…..without recording an out.

yost and the brewers don’t care if his arm falls off.

by tim815 on Aug 19, 2008 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

they'll care if it falls off in september

or october.

I get the point that they don’t care if he’s able to pitch next year, and that might influence their decision to leave him in longer in a close game. But really, having him throw 130 pitches in a blow out is indefensible, and I’d hazard that most Milwaukee fans would agree.

by SuperContext on Aug 19, 2008 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and most brewers fans

want yost fired

by tim815 on Aug 19, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I disagree that the Brewers have a wider window of contention

The Cubs have most of their rotation signed for 2009. The bullpen needs tweaking, but the position players should be pretty much the same.

The Brewers will be solid next year, but they’re likely to lose Sheets and Sabathia.

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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 19, 2008 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Isn't Fielder's contract up also?

Or am I mistaken?

But I agree with, I think the Cubs window is wider. The brewers are putting all thier eggs in this years basket.

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by MerlinDog on Aug 19, 2008 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fielder isn't eligible for FA, though

(That’s free agency . . . no comments, please!)

I think Prince is likely to be traded, because he didn’t agree to a long-term contract proposal, he was p.o.‘ed that they renewed him and he’s a DH in the waiting. Plus, the Brewer farm system is stocked.

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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 19, 2008 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fielder is less likely to be traded next year

since LaPorta was dealt. Fielder could be traded, but he’s under their control for several more years now.

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by DGU on Aug 19, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Him being under the team's control

makes him a more attractive trade piece, though.

And, IIRC, they have another potential 1B’man in the system. Also, I think Braun could end up there, too.

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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 19, 2008 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Do you mean Gamel @1B?

I guess the point is that the Brewers don’t trade Prince w/o becoming a better team for trading him. They could end up trading him for Phil Hughes, for example.

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by DGU on Aug 19, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good point - they'll get something

But I wasn’t one of the ones who thought losing him made them worse.

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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 19, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Phil Hughes isn't that good.

That’d be a steal for the Yankees.

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by Al on Aug 19, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Phil Hughes has been injured most of his ML career

so I don’t think you can rule out his being good. He was a #1 prospect according to BA not too long ago. I don’t think given where his stock is now that he’s traded 1-for-1 for Fielder, but he’d still be a great pickup for Milwaukee.

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by DGU on Aug 19, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wonder about that.

Yankee prospects always seem to be overrated.

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by Al on Aug 19, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree they're overrated

but less so by BA, I think. And it wasn’t just BA – Keith Law, BP, everywhere I was reading, Hughes was great. And we saw glimpses of that before his first injury. I think he was in the middle of a no-no when he hurt his leg or foot.

Here’s a question – if Teix goes to the O’s, what would it take from the Yankees for you to trade them Derrek Lee?

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by DGU on Aug 19, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow, that's a loaded question.

Not even addressing the fact that the Cubs would have a huge hole at 1B to fill, I don’t think the Yankees have enough to offer.

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by Al on Aug 20, 2008 4:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not sure about a "huge hole"

Especially if the Cubs win it all this year, I’d consider moving Aramis across, DeRo to 3rd, opening 2B for Theriot and Fontenot.

But Derrek Lee is also one of my favorite Cubs, and I have a feeling Jim Hendry is going to keep him a Cub for some time.

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by DGU on Aug 20, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And Fielder.

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by Kinky Reggae on Aug 19, 2008 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We don't know that they'll lose both

and even if they do, they get Gallardo back and Parra should be stronger after a full year’s pitching. Meanwhile they still have some great players on their way up – Escobar, Gamel, Salome… and money to spend if they make the playoffs and grow their fanbase. All the Brewers major cornerstone hitters are still heading towards their peak years.

Meanwhile, our cornerstone players are most likely on their way down from their peaks – Lee, Ramirez, Soriano. Only Soto is heading up towards his peak. I think we’re still likely to have a good team next year, but the year after that… Now, Hendry may rearrange the team and such, but, we’ll see.

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by DGU on Aug 19, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think a lot with the Cubs depends on the sale

Cuban, for example, would likely tell Hendry, “Do what you need to.” (Assuming he keeps the baseball management intact.)

If Canning gets back in . . . .

And again, not counting out the Brewers for 2009, but I don’t think their rotation will be as strong. I do think if one of the two pitchers stay, it’ll be Sabathia, but who knows. Parra looks decent – but I was really surprised to see how bad his WHIP was when I was at the game he pitched against the Cubs last month — it’s 1.49. That’s Claudio Vargas territory.

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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 19, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

But what can Hendry do?

Let’s say Cubs ownership is resolved for the 2009 offseason before anyone is signed and $ is no object

We could trade Derrek Lee and sign Mark Teixeira. I don’t see that happening given Lee’s leadership and Teix’s contract demands in length of contract.

We could sign Orlando Hudson, but I’m not sure that’s really an upgrade, despite his defensive prowess, and besides 2B is an organizational point of depth.

We could sign Rafael Furcal, which would be a big upgrade, but that requires either trading DeRosa to move Theriot to 2B or just trading Theriot, which isn’t likely possible.

We can sign Milton Bradley to play CF, but he comes with risks both in personality and in injury potential.

In pitching, there’s Sabathia, Sheets, and Dempster – all three with risk in long-term contracts. Maybe Darvish gets posted.

I’m just not seeing a lot of help in the 2009 free agent market.

As for Parra – yeah, he’s no sure thing, but he’s been bringing his walks down the past two months. If he gets all the kinks out, he’ll be good.

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by DGU on Aug 19, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not so sure that the Cubs wouldn't be good with

Lee, Ramirez and Soriano in 2009. Are they going to start to decline, certainly.
But they’re all in their early 30’s. I don’t think they’re going to be drastically worse next year.

I guess we won’t really know until the offseason, because changes will be made. But taking the original supposition that the Brewers lose one or two of their aces, I think the Cubs are better in 2009 without any free agent additions.

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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 19, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You really see Furcal as a "big upgrade"?

I see him as a 31-year-old guy who’ll get a big contract and start to decline.

And I doubt Darvish gets posted. Not this offseason, anyway.

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by Al on Aug 19, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm on the Need-Defense-At-SS bandwagon.

I think if Furcal gets 5 years, yeah, that’s bad. But I’d give Furcal three years if his health checks out. His PECOTA card doesn’t have him really declining until 2013. Furcal also gives us a lefty bat that can hit at the top of the order and good defense (last I checked).

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by DGU on Aug 19, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

How can I get

a PECOTA card? I could use a guarantee like that.

by StevenABQ on Aug 19, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's not a guarantee

and any time I cite it, I’m not suggesting it’s a guarantee. We’re always dealing in likelihoods when it comes to player prediction and there will be seasons where Jody Gerut out-performs Derrek Lee, but that didn’t make it likely or smart to plan on that happening.

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by DGU on Aug 19, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know

I’m just being facetious, your post was well taken.

by StevenABQ on Aug 19, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It was said on television once

That the Brewers know they won’t get CC so they’re getting him for every penny they can. The team doesn’t care if his arm falls off next year because he won’t be theirs.

by ak123 on Aug 18, 2008 11:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Theyre burning him out for sure...

Theres little to no chance he resigns with them when the NY team will throw 9 figure salaries at him, so if your the Brewers, why not-ride him for all he’s worth while you have him.

But hes had a ton of innings the past few years, id be very wary of signing him this offseason.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Aug 18, 2008 11:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm not so sure...

… why everyone is convinced he’s going to NY. First, he seems to like to bat, so that likely rules out AL teams.

Second, he’s a California native. I suspect that IF the Dodgers are willing to pony up the money, he’ll wind up in LA.

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by Al on Aug 19, 2008 3:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

I think cashman is starting to get the point with all the big money signing duds. If I remember right Hank was the one that let ARod back in. I would rather him go to the AL but at least out of our central div.

from the mouth of Uecker:

"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."

by cubsluver22 on Aug 19, 2008 4:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Then they can scrath keeping Manny.

Doesn’t seem like they can afford to keep ManRam and sign CC.

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by Kinky Reggae on Aug 19, 2008 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

See, now this is where Mr. Cuban can make a difference

First I could give a rats ass about NY. One thing I really hate about listening to the (E)astern (S)eaboard (P)rogramming (N)etwork is the constant slant towards teams in that region; like they’re the centre of the sports universe.

Unless CC develops some physical issues, there shouldn’t be any reason why the Cubs could not get in the bidding with a Santana-like offer. This would be most probable if a certain current NBA team owner would then be owning the Cubs.

Imagine a Cubs top-of-the-rotation of CC, Z and Harden. I would predict they’d let Dempster walk if they signed CC. If they don’t then I fully expect to see Dempster back.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Aug 19, 2008 6:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'd rather re-sign demp

make geo, reed, and jed happy, and look into upgrading ss.

if we still have cash, get an upgrade in lefty relief.

cc will be on the dl in ’09.

by tim815 on Aug 19, 2008 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree on the DL speculation.

Yost is riding Sabathia hard and whatever team coughs up the cash may not like what they get.

Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.

by N Oakley on Aug 19, 2008 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd rather win the posting fee

on Yu Darvish.

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by DGU on Aug 19, 2008 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, I like this idea-

Anyone know when he’ll likely come to the States? Also, what will he cost- something like $100M? I’d pay that easily unless there is some giant red flag I don’t know about, I mean Daisuke got $50M I believe, and he walks guys about as much as 2008 Rich Hill.

by Canseco's Roid Party on Aug 19, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

They dont need CC

If Dempster comes back and Samardzija or marshall take over for Marquis, thats still a solid 5 (z, lilly, harden, dempster, samaradzija)

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Aug 19, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think that's a good point

Working Spellcheck’s arm back up over the offseason and putting him in the rotation. If his command is there, he’s pretty frightening

by chitownhawkeye on Aug 19, 2008 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lets just say...

I would take that any day, I mean damn… what more can you ask from a pitcher. What is the manager going to say…

“Hey CC, although you have let up 3 hits in the last 8 innings while walking none and striking out one of every three batters you face, I think we should bench you because you are going to be tired later in the season. And although your history shows that that wont happen and that you can pitch an entire season with many of them being complete games…. your benched, I just dont trust you million dollar arms anymore!”

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by SouthsideCUBSfan on Aug 18, 2008 11:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

A LOT of managers take out pitchers after the 7th or 8th

CC was gassed in the 9th. He looked exhausted in the postgame interview on the field.

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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 19, 2008 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I realize this

But with CC Sabathia, you can leave him in all day. He has proven that he has amazing endurance into the late innings and that he isnt injury prone.

"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Aug 19, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No but it isn't unheard of to rest a pitcher in the last innings of a blowout.

Or with a big lead I should say. Ned Yost is a moron IMO. This may have been said already but he reminds me of Dusty. Not much managing at all. Talented young team who makes wins happen no thanks to their senseless manager.

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by Kinky Reggae on Aug 19, 2008 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It Would Be So Like Neddie Ballgame

To wear out CC by the last 10 days of the season, then watch helplessly as the Brew Crew fades behind the Cards for the Wild Card spot.

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by CaliCub on Aug 19, 2008 12:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The Brewers are on...

a collision course for a meltdown. They are over using their three month rental because, not only they can, but they have no confidence in their bullpen. The Cubs are taking a smarter approach to using Harden in a limited role to save him for the stretch run and playoffs. I think that when the Brewers need Sabathia the most in the last two weeks of the season, he won’t have anything left in the tank. Sending Sabathia out there in the 8th with a six run lead is just stupid.

by montecarlo on Aug 19, 2008 5:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Is Dusty ghost managing from the Queen city?

I mean OK, they’re likely not going to re-sign him; he’s a rental. But when leading by 5 runs late? Even their ‘pen isn’t that bad.

Let Ned pitch him long and hard; as much as possible. His arm will tire just enough to make his pitches flatten out. This way when he meets the Cubs in the NLCS, he’ll leave some fat ones right there in the sweet spots for a few guys like Fonzie, DeRo, D-Lee and Rami.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Aug 19, 2008 6:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I was annoyed to see him pitch that last inning

…..Im not concerned about his future $ or his arm falling off it just pisses me off that the Brewers would do this to him.

I mean its 9-fricken 2 take the guy out, what the heck is the point, to say he has 5 complete games?

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by Hammer on Aug 19, 2008 7:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I go back and forth

I also was annoyed to see him out there in the ninth with a huge lead, but I also believe that all teams baby pitchers (esp from the minors on up). I don’t know, only being able to pitch 5 or 6 innings gets old, it is kind of nice to see the Haladay’s and Sabathia’s of the world.

by graceunderpressure on Aug 19, 2008 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just posted and deleted...

I agree, keep riding him Ned! 130 pitches a start is great from my point of view. Every arm tires. The Ryan Braun issues may hurt this team as well.

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by Kinky Reggae on Aug 19, 2008 7:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i'm all for it!!

let the Brewers pitch CC 7+ innings for his next 8 starts and thru the playoffs, if they make it. History of his arm tiring out in the post-season is in the books. . . I have complete faith in Ned Yost’s managing skills to flub something up between now and the end of the season!!!

by noiseboy on Aug 19, 2008 7:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Ned's Defense of Himself

Mentioned something about a couple off days over the next two weeks, hence the leaving in of CC last night. Go figure…

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by CaliCub on Aug 19, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

With all this "Ned is stoopid" consensus

I wonder what everyone thinks of Lou leaving Carlos in 125 pitches in a 6-2 game on July 24. And then 118 pitches in the next start in a 7-0 game. It seems like Carlos has been gassed since those back-to-back peformances.

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by DGU on Aug 19, 2008 9:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

How did his pitch count go up with respect to the score?

Meaning, did he get to those levels when the score was closer, then in the Cubs next AB’s, they opened it up?

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Aug 20, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm pretty sure I gave you the score as it stood in the inning he last pitched

but you can check the game logs on me to make sure.

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by DGU on Aug 20, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Carlos gassed?

Although leaving CC or Carlos in for blow outs isn’t necessarily smart, I’d have to think we all have big problems if we can’t extend a guy every now and then. For one, what happens when you NEED to extend someone in the playoffs? Secondly, how do we not wear out the bullpen if we aren’t going to push someone every now and then? 5 or 6 strong innnings doens’t mean anything if the game is blown the 7,8, or 9th.

by graceunderpressure on Aug 19, 2008 10:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Compare with his stats last postseason

In three games (one vs. the Yankees and two vs. the Red Sox) last postseason, Sabathia compiled the following line:

15.1 IP / 21 H / 15 ER / 13 BB / 14 K / 8.80 ERA / 2.21 WHIP

While his three starts were against excellent offenses, In none of them did he look good.

Whether or not that was a function of how much he had pitched during the regular season is unclear, but it makes one wonder.

by John Q Freejazz on Aug 19, 2008 11:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Yes, I certainly think he could.....

Oh wait, you said OVERHEAT…I thought it said OVEREAT…

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by NotSure on Aug 19, 2008 11:04 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs

What the hell are we talking about?

I also swore this was about his food intake. Either way, I blame the Brewers front office for allowing for CC to have extra meal money per day in his contract. Big mistake. And you know Ned Yost can’t control this situation.

by graceunderpressure on Aug 19, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

if your next-door neighbor was eating a horse

every day, would you say something about it? Cmon, people.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 20, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

of course it was overheat

there wouldn’t be a “could” before overeat

by chitownhawkeye on Aug 19, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also...

while, innings and pitch counts are probably important, something to consider would be a pitches per inning type number. You could have two guys throw 6 innings but one could do it in 85 pitches while another 125. Theoretically, the 85 pitch guy could keep going or didn’t work as hard.

Just some pitches per inning numbers:

Entire season: 15.1, Brewers: 13.01
2007: 14.86
2006: 15.23
2005: 16.03

For comparison Zambrano is at 15.85 this season, and going backwards from ’07 to ’05: 17.08, 16.96, 15.96. Marmol is 17.61 this season, 16.76 last year.

All that aside, I don’t think he’s working as hard as it seems though with a guy that COULD go that long, it doesn’t always mean he SHOULD. Taking him out after the 8th could save him some for later this season and/or the postseason. Also, this obviously isn’t an exact science otherwise someone would’ve figured it out by now and I’m sure going out for each inning takes a toll as the pitcher pitches, rests while they hit and goes back out there. I’m sure a formula could be worked out that each new inning is worth 1.5 pitches or something.

As a Cubs fan I’d love for CC to break down and flame out because it could mean the Cubs doing well but as a baseball fan, I like to see guys like CC, Pedro, Santana, Lincecum (hopefully) have long productive and at time dominant careers. I like watching great baseball and it would really, really be a shame if CC is carelessly ridden into the ground.

by CubFan81 on Aug 19, 2008 11:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I know the Brewers won't have him

Obviously they aren’t going to re-sign him, but he won’t even make it to 09 the way he’s going. I promise you he’ll start to break down THIS SEASON. Just watch and see my fellow Cub friends. I already see it happening.

by D-Bone on Aug 19, 2008 4:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't want to see him get hurt, just tire a little

I would love to see this guy in Cubbie Blue in 2009. Just imagine the first 3 of the rotation of CC, Z and Harden (need a letter or two abbreviation for Rich).

It’s a matter of getting through the 162-game marathon and then just burying everyone on their way to a WS title.

I repeat: Sabathia, Zambrano & Harden… Can you say, “intimidating”?

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by blackhawk24 on Aug 19, 2008 6:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I think you have to tread really carefully about CC

given his overuse this year and the huge deal he’s going to want.

That will eat (pun intended) up a lot of $ that the Cubs could spread around to 2 or 3 players.

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by Al on Aug 20, 2008 4:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh of course so

There are many factors at play. In a vacuum is where I was going initially.

There’s just so many things that can happen, both on and off the field and in the world of FA. I haven’t a clue whether or not the new owner would spend into the luxury tax range or pull back. That first and foremost would determine whether or not they even look at CC.

Where I’m going with this obviously starts with game #163.

Mu guess is CC’s overworking will be a short term issue. Permanent injury hadn’t crossed my mind.

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by blackhawk24 on Aug 20, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs