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Pregame Thread: Cubs vs. Reds, Tuesday 8/19, 7:05 CT

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Cincinnati Reds
@ Chicago Cubs

Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008, 7:05 PM CDT
Wrigley Field

Johnny Cueto vs Rich Harden

Mostly clear. Winds blowing in from center field at 5-10 m.p.h. Game Time temperature: Around 80.

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Today is the 39th anniversary of Kenny Holtzman's no-hitter vs. the Braves, an unusual no-hitter because there were no strikeouts. The wind was blowing in on a cool August day and that helped Holtzman, as a ball hit by Hank Aaron that normally would have been on Waveland was blown back and caught in the well by Billy Williams in the 7th inning. Paul Sullivan has a nice recap article in today's Tribune which also contains the text of the game stories written at the time.

Today's Starting Pitchers
Rich Harden
R. Harden
Cubs
vs. Johnny Cueto
J. Cueto
Reds
7-2 W-L 8-11
2.17 ERA 4.90
141 SO 136
45 BB 53
10 HR 26
vs. Hou -- vs. Cubs

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Rich Harden 2-1 6 6 0 0 0 0 35.0 24 8 7 5 14 49 1.80 1.09

Reminder, the above stat line is Harden's numbers with the Cubs only. See the pitcher box for his full-season stats.


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Johnny Cueto 8-11 25 25 0 0 0 0 145.0 149 86 79 26 53 136 4.90 1.39

Johnny Cueto beat the Cubs in Cincinnati on May 5, and they beat him at Wrigley Field on July 9. Cueto is 1-3, 5.63 in his last 7 starts and is second in the NL in HR allowed. Aramis Ramirez homered off him in the July game and Geovany Soto took him deep in the May game.

Rich Harden let Lou know that he likes pitching at night and in cooler weather, so that's the main reason he was pushed back from the Marlins series to start tonight. He did start once vs. the Reds in interleague play with Oakland, but that was in 2004 -- there's only one player who was in that game who's still on the Reds (Javier Valentin). Valentin is 1-for-3 lifetime vs. Harden, who threw five shutout innings in Atlanta last Wednesday, although he walked five.

Today's game is on cable in Chicago and Cincinnati. Also see the MLB.com Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday

Baseball-reference.com game preview

Once again, a reminder that you can find the overflow comment threads, including the first pitch thread, on the right sidebar of both the front page and any interior page in the box headed "RECENT STORIES IN GAME THREADS". Today's first pitch thread posts at 7 pm CT, and the overflow comment threads will post at 8 pm, 9 pm and 9:45 pm CT.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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Ohhh yess!!!! Finally!!!

Almost time! These recent off-days have seemed to take FOREVER…..

Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 19, 2008 4:01 PM CDT   0 recs

Just got my KU football tickets today

See you @ Arrowhead on the 29th of November.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Aug 19, 2008 4:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

See you there sir.

With a National Title on the line…I’m going to St. Louis next weekend for the Illinois game. PUMPED.

Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 19, 2008 4:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You're going down!!!

Reed Ballgame - best CF in the MLB

by californiachicagoan on Aug 19, 2008 5:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We could have a BCB beer at Arrowhead

with you, me and nji

Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 19, 2008 4:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

oooh!

third! waint that;’s not too cool

"That guy is a gamer." said Ron Santo of Reed Johnson on 07-25-08

by love the ivy on Aug 19, 2008 4:02 PM CDT   0 recs

You get a bronze

Good times!

Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory

by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 19, 2008 4:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Some people wait a lifetime

for a moment like this * holding back tears of pride *

"That guy is a gamer." said Ron Santo of Reed Johnson on 07-25-08

by love the ivy on Aug 19, 2008 5:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Kelly would be proud.

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 19, 2008 5:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and not typed very good either

"That guy is a gamer." said Ron Santo of Reed Johnson on 07-25-08

by love the ivy on Aug 19, 2008 4:02 PM CDT   0 recs

I think that Cueto and Volquez

are both running out of gas, thanks to Dusty’s pristine pitcher-management…Or mis-management…Let’s jump on him early tonight!

Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 19, 2008 4:04 PM CDT   0 recs

You think that's bad

Look at what Aaron Harang’s gamelogs are like this year. Especially the May 22nd-29th managerial masterpiece!

The critical thing to understand is that major-league pitchers don't appear to have the ability to prevent hits on balls in play. There are many possible reasons why this is the case, and I don't really have a concrete idea as to why it is.

But the one thing I do know is that it is the case.

--Voros McCracken

by nbt on Aug 19, 2008 4:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Cool chat with Fonte on the front page....

Somehow, him saying that he likes to hunt doesn’t surprise me.
Not cutting on him, he just looks like a country boy, who would like it out in the woods.

by Jimsil on Aug 19, 2008 4:08 PM CDT   0 recs

TWSS

Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 19, 2008 4:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

startin early

nice!

"That guy is a gamer." said Ron Santo of Reed Johnson on 07-25-08

by love the ivy on Aug 19, 2008 4:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

TWSS!

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2008 4:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hahahahaaa

Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 19, 2008 4:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thats not how I heard it.

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 19, 2008 4:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Shhh...

I’m trying to boost my cred.

make/art

by neverAcquiesce on Aug 19, 2008 4:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's what I heard.

Consider your cred boosted.

Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 19, 2008 4:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

oooh, that’s dirty

Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...

by N Oakley on Aug 19, 2008 4:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

Someone is in 7th inning strech form today. :-P

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 19, 2008 4:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

TWHS

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 19, 2008 4:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ZING!

"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella

by Lou In Blue on Aug 19, 2008 4:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

One off day

and all the pent up one liners come out :-)

by chitownhawkeye on Aug 19, 2008 5:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Uh, yeah...

…I’m gonna need a signed letter of verification on that one.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 19, 2008 4:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

TWSS

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2008 4:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

She says a lot...

Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 19, 2008 4:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

HA.

Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 19, 2008 4:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Technical balk.

Laughing at your own joke.

Umps 1, Reds 0, Cubs 0

make/art

by neverAcquiesce on Aug 19, 2008 4:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I was responding to Drew!

But I did after I posted….

Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 19, 2008 4:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Then SBNation technical balked on you.

Umps 2, Reds 0, Cubs 0

Not looking good.

make/art

by neverAcquiesce on Aug 19, 2008 4:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I have a feeling the umps are going to win

a blowout today.

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2008 4:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well thats good

its obvious they don’t get enough credit.

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 19, 2008 4:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and they don't have enough power

big ol mean baseball players, actually wanting them to look at the base…

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2008 4:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

They need to take control back...

…And the Olympic Judges just scored a quick 9.25…Things do not look good…

Umps 2, Olympic Judges 9.25, Cubs 0, Reds 0

Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 19, 2008 4:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

lol!

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2008 4:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Considering Cubs start down a run tonight because we are at home

I dont see the Umps or Judges blowing this lead

Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs

by nji232 on Aug 19, 2008 4:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

but what if the umps

aren’t perfectly synchronized? They’re all supposed to do the same thing, remember.

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2008 4:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Isn't questioning the umps enough to get

strikes added to your count?

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 19, 2008 4:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Soriano leads off

with an 0-2 count…

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2008 4:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

the important thing is....

do they count as pitches in the pitch count?

by tim815 on Aug 19, 2008 5:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

it's a completely non-subjective

sport. Therefore, it’s the best evar.

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2008 4:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just wait til replay hits.

Umps’ll finally get theirs!

make/art

by neverAcquiesce on Aug 19, 2008 4:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The judges will make sure to help out the Umps

So out of sync umps will be saved by scared and biased judges.

Also to form an even playing field tonight half our runs go to the Reds

Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs

by nji232 on Aug 19, 2008 4:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought

they were going to add special inflatable bleachers to seat an extra 10,000 Reds fans.

What’s that you say? There aren’t 10,000 current Reds fans?

And another technical Balk on Cincy. They start the game down a run. Umps 2, Judges 16.24, Cubs 0, Reds -1.

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2008 4:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And having negative runs

is another technical balk, as your great-grandfather never would have seen something like that.

Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 19, 2008 4:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

THROW IT AT HIS HEAD!

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2008 4:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Come on!

That judge clearly landed on her knees!

make/art

by neverAcquiesce on Aug 19, 2008 4:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

THE SYSTEM IS FLAWED.

Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 19, 2008 4:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It seems forever

since a game. Pitch well Rich.

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 19, 2008 4:10 PM CDT   0 recs

Would be nice if he could go 7 tonight.

Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory

by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 19, 2008 4:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That would be fantastic

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 19, 2008 4:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hes not a 7 inning pitcher

I’d rather have 6 solid (shutout?) innings than see him be forced to go 7 and get hurt.

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 19, 2008 4:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

anyone get ESPN Insider ? Please HELP

There are two article on the Maddux trade I would love to read but I can’t access. If any kind soul out there can help please e mail me at jrosner at kino dot com.

Thanks

FYI her is an article you might I guess I like re Maddux & Dodgers
http://mvn.com/mlb-dodgers/2008/08/18/maddux-is-secured-again/

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Aug 19, 2008 4:11 PM CDT   0 recs

hooray!

pregame thread!!!!!!

BATS BATS BATS BATS BATS BATS BATS!

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2008 4:12 PM CDT   0 recs

Ya know

day game followed by off day followed by night game makes for a long wait between games. Gah.

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 19, 2008 4:16 PM CDT   0 recs

I seem to recall that...

…after Cueto’s first couple starts, he was looking pretty unhittable. That’s clearly not the case now, though his K:BB ratio remains impressive. Let’s hope the Cubs can make some solid and repeated contact tonight.

And I always look forward to Harden’s starts. How can ya not? He did walk a few too many guys last outing, but I have a feeling that probably won’t be the case tonight.

GO CUBS!!!

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 19, 2008 4:17 PM CDT   0 recs

Hi everyone!

After a two-week absence due to nuptials and honeymooning, I’m very happy to be back. I couldn’t follow too much because Internet was $20 a day at the resort, but much to my wife’s chagrin, I got to watch last Sunday’s game. What a jewel that was from Dempster.
Anywho, what’s the good word around here?

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Aug 19, 2008 4:17 PM CDT   0 recs

Ha
Anywho, what’s the good word around here?

At the moment, TWSS… but it changes by the moment.

(Congrats on the wedding!! Hope you had a great time)

I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 19, 2008 4:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thank you!

It was a great time indeed.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Aug 19, 2008 4:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The good word is: Cubs!

Followed closely by: Win! Finished up by: Tonight!

Welcome back and congrats! And what kinda resort was this? Every hotel I’ve visited recently has had free Internet access.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 19, 2008 4:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thank you!

The Westin in Cabo. They gouged me. I could’ve bought a Lexus with the money I spent. A Coke was $4.50 and with Bacardi, it was $12.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Aug 19, 2008 4:22 PM CDT