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The federation of gymnastics must love this. That is the only explanation. They understand that the all-powerful American market will have, in general, three reactions to any event with an American gymnast.

1) The American kid got screwed!

2) The American kid won, even though they tried to screw her/him

3) The American kid has no chance. What else is on?

Clearly, Option 3 is not acceptable to gymnastics or NBC. So, we go for Option 1 & 2, as evidence by the uneven bars thing last night.

My favorite was when Al "The American Baghdad Bob" Trautwig yammered on about how some judges represent countries that have never medaled in gymnastics. So... only Americans, Russians, Chinese, Japanese and Romanians should be judges now?

I've having a harder and harder time recognizing gymnastics, or any judged activity, as a real sport. Yes, yes, these young men and women are absolutely amazing, but you know what? So is the Undertaker. So is Jackie Chan. We don't consider pro wrestling or movie stunt work a sport.

I'm good at fixing things. My award-winning work on the technical balk is legendary. I've got a plan for gymnastics.

1) Make the routines compulsory. So much of this garbage has come from whether a routine is harder or easier. Everyone does the same routine, period.

2) Get mean. You fall off the beam, bar, rings or horse, you get a zero. Knees touch the mat on the vault, or you go out of bounds, zero. Butt hits the mat on the floor exercise, get out. That will at least alleviate the "Chinese girl fell, but still won bronze!" nonsense.

3) MORE, not less judges. This seems counter-intuitive in a rant about judging, but the more judges, the less any one can overly influence things.

4) Give every home gymnast an automatic .05 deduction, just to account for the crowd effect on the spineless, corrupt judges.

5) Give Bela and interpreter.

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Somebody will have to tell me if this is right or wrong

Did one of the Chinese girls fall on her knees after a routine or event and still win a medal over an American girl?

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by nji232 on Aug 19, 2008 8:52 AM CDT   0 recs

Yup

Went right to her knees on the vault. Won the bronze.

You fall… you’re gone. That’s the very next rule that needs to change.

But like I said, gymnastics loves this stuff. It likes the controversy.

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by DaBard on Aug 19, 2008 9:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thats awful

I can agree to the if you fall you lose policy, to a point. In something like the overall competition where there is 5 or 6 events you can get away with falling. For the specific event where you get only a couple of attempts, if you fall then you lose.

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by nji232 on Aug 19, 2008 9:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

In the all-around...

If you fall on one event, you get a zero for that event. If someone else falls on another event, he or she gets a zero. Everyone falling at least once makes an even competition.

My plan is summed up thusly… more judges to give everyone less overall power and less things the judges have to decide.

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by DaBard on Aug 19, 2008 9:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

can of worms about to be opened

i agree with you, but….

doesn’t that encourage non-‘risk taking’? i will do the absolute minimum, therefore minimizing my chances of making a mistake. (there was a french skater, bayul?) who all the fans loved, cuz she took chances. the judges hated her.

in college football, i enjoy good games between teams in early september. much better than usc drubbing idaho state. but if you lose one, you can’t win the title.

falling on your butt should exact a significant price, but would enthusiasts be well-served by skaters (or gymnasts) taking fewer chances than u.s. presidential candidates?

by tim815 on Aug 19, 2008 9:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Which is why you have mandatory routines...

Don’t let anyone wuss out. Make every gymnast do the same routine — you can change the routine from round to round, but everyone in a round has to do the same thing.

And you can put harder stuff in that routine.

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by DaBard on Aug 19, 2008 9:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Do you mean Ukranian skater Baiul?

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by Fuk-U-Meter on Aug 19, 2008 10:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Screwed?

Screwed implies some sort of vendetta or purposeful judging. Any activity that involves humans watching, judging and scoring to determine winners and losers is subject to failure. Hence, I find Diving, Gymnastics, and Figure Skating brutal to watch because there is no absolute.

It’s all very similar to the home run call in Houston. Umpires having to judge whether a ball is above or below a painted line in a split second are set up to fail.

I much prefer swimming, track, and ping pong as there is less chance for people to scream they were “screwed.”

Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.

by N Oakley on Aug 19, 2008 8:55 AM CDT   0 recs

my 'rule' is....

no defense, not a sport

by tim815 on Aug 19, 2008 9:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that's why it has 'around it'

but i consider golf and many track events to be events more than sports.

by tim815 on Aug 19, 2008 9:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Pure George Carlin

Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.

by N Oakley on Aug 19, 2008 11:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes....

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 19, 2008 11:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That clip is almost pornographic

Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.

by N Oakley on Aug 19, 2008 11:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Golf isnt a sport.

I like golf. I play golf, but its not a sport. I agree with the defense “rule”. Golf is like racing, except you take turns. Who can run the fastest or get the ball in the hole with the fewest strokes is more like an athletic competition. But being able to effect opponents outcomes, create strategy and require adaptation and anticipation. Different animal.

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by californiachicagoan on Aug 19, 2008 2:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Here's what makes a sport

If the object is to run, walk, swim, pedal, row, drive, sail, skate, ski, ride or others get from Point A to Point B faster than everyone else, you’re in a sport.

If the object is to jump higher or longer, throw something farther or lift something heavier, you’re in a sport.

If the object is to cross home plate or the end zone more times, you’re in a sport.

If the object is to put a ball (or puck) into a hoop, net, side pocket or goal more times than the opponent, you’re in a sport.

If the object is to put a ball or birdie on the ground and out of the opponent’s reach more times, you’re in a sport.

If the object is to shoot more targets, knock over more pins or catch more fish, you’re in a sport.

If the object is to punch, kick, throw, pin or touch someone with a sword more times than you get punched, kicked, thrown, pinned or touched, you’re in a sport.

If the object is to do a routine and then wait for a nameless, faceless, easily swayed, borderline corrupt and historically inaccurate panel to tell you how you did, you are in a beauty contest.

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by DaBard on Aug 19, 2008 9:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Did you quote Carlin directly or just paraphrase?

Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.

by N Oakley on Aug 19, 2008 9:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Carlin had a routine where there were only three sports

Football, basketball and baseball. It was brilliant, but clearly, I have broader horizons.

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by DaBard on Aug 19, 2008 9:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Forgot...

If the object is to put a ball in 18 holes with fewer tries than anyone else, you’re in a sport.

And yes, I consider golf, fishing, bowling and pool to be sports over gymnastics.

To be fair, boxing and wrestling are on the cusp, because of the judges having so much influence. But at least boxers and wrestlers have the ability — with a knockout or a pin — to end all debate.

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by DaBard on Aug 19, 2008 9:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I rather like golf, fishing, bowling and pool. Throw in Golden Tee and Darts and you have the decatholon of the beer olympics.

Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.

by N Oakley on Aug 19, 2008 11:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

DaBard screaming about rules

and how the refs should have more power. What a surprise.

  1. is priceless. “You, you start behind, because of a perceived advantage of being in the country of your origin, even though the audience is utterly international.”

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2008 9:07 AM CDT   0 recs

that 1.

should be 4.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2008 9:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It was documented over and over last night

How the home team has an advantage. It worked for the U.S. in 1996 too. Even Bela said that.

Within reason, of course. I’m not saying British gymnasts are going to sweep the gold in 2012, but I bet they do better than they usually do.

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by DaBard on Aug 19, 2008 9:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Drew, at the risk of being the posting police, we can disagree without making it personal. I think dabard’s making an effort to get along and move past what happened earlier . . .

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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 19, 2008 9:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not making it personal.

I’m commenting on what he’s saying, and how he’s saying it. Honestly, I’ve watched all of four hours of olympics; I didn’t watch the events he’s discussing. But it’s a template with him. Next up: How living in the US makes US Open Golfers more able to cheat. And then, “Sightline in Bulgarian Tennis Courts — The Sekrit Controversy”.

Gymnastics, like diving and ice-skating and trampoline (trampoline is a sport? o_0) have difficulty settings. It’s more difficult to do a triple sow-kow than a double sow-kow. Therefore, you start off with a higher difficulty score, from which mistakes are deducted. Do a triple sow-kow and fall, and you may still beat someone who did a double sow-kow perfectly, because you’re attempting a greater feat. It’s like the difference between climbing K2 and the mole-hill DeBard is trying to turn into a mountain.

You want real tin-foil-hattery, take a look at this: http://www.001ofasecond.com/

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2008 9:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Which is why...

You make EVERYONE do the triple sow-kow. You can’t do it, get out.

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by DaBard on Aug 19, 2008 9:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

not everyone can do the triple sow-kow

the olympics are about rewarding ability. Your “plan” does away with that. It’s the socialism of the Olympics, the one place where personal ability reigns over all.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2008 10:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

FWIW...

… it’s “Salchow”, not “sow-kow”.

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by Al on Aug 19, 2008 10:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

:D

k. thanks. :)

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2008 10:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's right...

And if your personal ability does not include the triple Salchow (thanks, Al) then you are not good enough to get a medal.

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by DaBard on Aug 19, 2008 10:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you've just proved my point.

people who can’t do it, don’t attempt it, and try to get a higher score with a lower difficulty quotient, by doing their moves as perfectly as possible.

It allows people of varying ability to compete to the best of THEIR ability.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2008 10:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And if they can't do it...

They aren’t invited to the meet. Period.

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by DaBard on Aug 19, 2008 11:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah, because

let’s make the Olympics more exclusive and less inclusive. THAT’ll get the point across.

I remember, back when I used to watch the olympics all the time, there was a diving competition; one of the competitors was a thirteen year old boy from one of the north-african countries, where diving wasn’t exactly a deep sport. Because he was so young, it was important for him to not do head-down dives, so his dive was a simple tuck and roll and land feet-first. He had absolutely no chance at a medal; he didn’t even make it out of the first round.

But let’s keep THOSE people out of the olympics. They’re just not good enough.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2008 11:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Whatever happened to the Olympics being for amateurs?

This boy’s story is the kind of thing I’d like to see more of. I’d probably be more interested in the Olympics then. But it’s seemed to have turned away from that.

The entire Olympics seems pointless to me when they have world championships in every sport yearly and some sports have multiple events per year. So then what does it matter every 4 years there’s a second competition you can compete in for the year? It’s just all blown out of proportion and extravagant.

by Arbusto on Aug 19, 2008 11:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Olympics haven't been for amateurs

for decades. That went away a long time ago.

And I want to see greatness. When that one guy nearly drowned in the pool a couple of Olympics’ ago, I didn’t think it was cute or heartwarming. I thought it was silly.

He took a spot that a real swimmer could have used. Just as drew’s little diver took a spot a real diver could have used.

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by DaBard on Aug 19, 2008 11:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

untrue.

and when professionals have joined the olympics, it’s usually be the US’s players — remember the Dream Team with Jordan and the rest of the NBA? What was the point of that?

But DeBard misses the point of the olympics, of course.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2008 11:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I assume you're reffering to this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woYG6Uq6OVU

He was the best their country had to offer
It was a qualifying round
He won fair and square

Luckily for you the IOC called a technical balk on him in 2004.

You obviously have no idea what the spirit of the olympics is about, so I’m glad you’re not making the rules.

by dr stabbingworth on Aug 19, 2008 12:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Crap

Meant to reply to DaBard.

by dr stabbingworth on Aug 19, 2008 12:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The spirit of the Olympics

should not include a swimmer looking like someone that had been thrown overboard.

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by DaBard on Aug 19, 2008 12:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Are you freaking kidding me?

The Soviets and other countries were using professionals for a long time.

The entire point of the Dream Team was because a bunch of college kids in 1988 got the bronze while the Soviets and Yugoslavians sent teams who were already being paid professionally and got gold and silver.

The U.S. sent professionals to compete with other teams’ professionals. May the best ATHLETES win.

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by DaBard on Aug 19, 2008 12:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

so...

we should emulate the mistakes of other countries, rather than stand up for what’s right?

The olympics are supposed to be about amateur athletics.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2008 12:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And in THE REAL WORLD

It’s not.

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by DaBard on Aug 19, 2008 12:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and once again

should we stand up for what’s right, or repeat others’ mistakes?

I forget, tho, you’re happy to employ drug-addicts, just so long as they don’t marry your daughters.

WARS used to stop for the Olympics.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2008 12:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Which wars?

1916 Olympics — Canceled because of World War I

1940 & 1944 Olympics — Canceled because of World War II

1980 Olympics — U.S. and many other countries boycott because of Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Did you know that the Soviets refused to have the American flag flown during the Closing Ceremonies, as is traditional for the country who gets it next? The City of Los Angeles flag was flown.

1984 Olympics — Soviets and many other countries boycott, basically in retaliation.

Next?

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by DaBard on Aug 19, 2008 12:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you do realize that the Olympics

have a more than 100 year old tradition, right?

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2008 1:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And for 100 of those years...

There have been poltics, cheating, pettiness, bad sportsmanship and professionalism.

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by DaBard on Aug 19, 2008 1:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Please note

http://www.zimbio.com/Olympic+Scandals/articles/3/Top+10+Olympic+Scandals

Scandals from 1904, 1912, 1960 and 1964 are among the top 10 here.

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by DaBard on Aug 19, 2008 2:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

My reactions on reading this.

1. The USA/Russia basketball game is only #10?

2. The Munich Massacre is only #6?!!

After that second one, any other complaint just seemed ridiculous. The only defense for it is that ‘scandal’ isn’t strong enough a word for what happened in Munich.

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by Cool Hand on Aug 20, 2008 6:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah...that is kinda jarring

To put that on there and then NOT put the Atlanta bombing.

The real scandal of Munich is that Avery Brundage pretty much behaved like he wanted to roll the Israeli carcasses out of the way and keep going that day.

Of course, what do you expect from the guy who did more than any other American to make sure Hitler got the 1936 games?

The Olympic past is not pretty.

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by DaBard on Aug 20, 2008 6:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The ship sailed years ago...

Amateurism was all fine and good, so long as our amateurs were beating everyone else. But when the ‘88 team took bronze against guys who were playing professionally in Europe, or even drafted by NBA teams, that’s when the U.S. said enough.

It should have happened years ago. How many great performances did we lose because athletes wanted to be able to make money?

Jesse Owens was banned after 1936 because he took money to compete. Jim Thorpe died thinking he didn’t have his medals because he played semi-pro baseball.

Spitz could have gone back in 1976. Ali, Frazier, Holyfield, etc.. all would have gone back to compete in various years.

Can you imagine a 1968 Dream Team of Chamberlain, Russell, Baylor, West, Barry, Robertson, etc..? WOW!

The very best against the very best. THAT is what the Olympics are supposed to be about.

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by DaBard on Aug 19, 2008 12:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

By that same token, we should let 50-year-old, 400-pound men in the 100m dash. So what if it takes them 10 minutes and they have a heart attack on the way?

By the way, you don’t have to make the mandatory routine extremely difficult. You can keep it at a level where many can do it.

Just so long as everyone is doing the same thing.

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by DaBard on Aug 19, 2008 11:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you have to qualify, of course.

but any 50 year old, 400 pound man can go out to qualify. Each country does it on their own. If he can qualify, he deserves a chance to run.

It doesn’t matter if they do the same thing. The judges are still individual people.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2008 12:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ah, so they have to qualify...

Fine, and the demands of the qualifier can be specific.

The point is to dilute the impact of the judges. More of them, so no one or two can throw things off. And fewer things for them to decide.

Unlike umpires, gymnastics and figure skating judges have a history of being hilariously wrong and flat-out corrupt. They no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt.

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by DaBard on Aug 19, 2008 12:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL!

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2008 12:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

"But it’s a template with him...."

I think that quote makes it personal. But that’s just me. Your mileage may vary.

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by carmen_fanzone on Aug 19, 2008 9:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm truly not offended guys...

I will just respond to him as if he isn’t just disagreeing with me to do so. He and two other posters, who I’m expecting in this thread anytime, would argue that the Germans actually won World War II if I said differently.

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by DaBard on Aug 19, 2008 9:49 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Everyone knows it wasn't over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor...

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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 19, 2008 9:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Germans?

Forget it, he’s rolling

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by DaBard on Aug 19, 2008 9:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

Nice Animal House reference.

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by mambochicken23 on Aug 19, 2008 10:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

All good ideas...

…..don’t know how you’d get away with #4, but I’ve long thought all routines should be the same in gymnastics.

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by carmen_fanzone on Aug 19, 2008 9:34 AM CDT   0 recs

doesn't Gymnastics have something called Compulsories?

I thought it went like this:

1) Qalifying rounds (anyone below a certain score is out)
2) Compulsories (everyone does the same routine)
3) Free-style (everyone does what they want to do, using more difficult moves if possible to score higher) (there may be free-style short and a free style long rounds)

Certainly, this is how ice-skating in the olympics works. You have to demonstrate that you can do the basic moves, then you go out and kick as much @ss as possible.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2008 9:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It still allows different scoring from different judges....

…depending on what each thinks is “kick ass”. I think that’s the point DeBard is trying to make.

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by carmen_fanzone on Aug 19, 2008 9:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's even worse

There seemed to be disagreement between the NBC folks and the judges whether or not a gymnast actually DID the routine they were supposed to do.

I personally would go even further. Trampoline, which I hadn’t watched before, actually has the right idea. There is a boundary marker.

Put a square at the bottom of each bar or rings or whatever. The gymnasts have to be like skydivers. They have to land in the square. Take a step out, and you’re gone.

Scoring would be so much simpler if the penalties were clearer and greater. None of this “mandatory one-tenth” garbage

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by DaBard on Aug 19, 2008 9:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and yet

wrong again. Because different trampoline competetors do different routines, and therefore start with a lower or higher difficulty score to deduct mistake points from. Yes, they have to stay within the boundaries, but someone who does a very simple easy routine and stays within the lines can still lose to someone who does a very difficult routine and strays outside the lines.

And the NBC folks have NO SAY in whether or not a routine is correct or not. They are observers, that’s all.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2008 10:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Which is why...

Everyone… should… do… the… same… routine

The NBC folks do more to hurt the credibility of the sport than anyone. No American loses fairly or wins unfairly in their eyes. The NBC folks are much more than observers.

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by DaBard on Aug 19, 2008 10:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah, I thought NBC was RIDICULOUSLY biased last night

I actually wonder if their coverage was as biased towards us as the Chinese coverage likely was towards China…they may have even reached that ridiculously high standard.

Also I like the idea of a compulsory round, it would make a ton more sense. And wow the arbitrarily set “difficulty” scores, which vary a ton from event to event and make no sense, are incredibly stupid. I liked when only doing something ridiculously hard got you a 10. Now I see 16.675 and think “I don’t even know if that is good or bad”.

I thought this was a great post by DaBard (which surprised me, I’m not gonna lie)- I don’t see the need for the trolling that is going on?

by Canseco's Roid Party on Aug 19, 2008 10:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's drew...

What can you do?

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by DaBard on Aug 19, 2008 10:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

no trolling.

disagreement.

Once again, I ask — is there not a compulsory round for Gymnastics? There used to be. There is for ice-skating.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2008 10:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess there is not one anymore? Never heard it mentioned though

I do remember this also now that I think about it; at least I seem to recall it existing at some point- which would make sense because last night I kept thinking “this seems incredibly short for a medal? they just go one time on the apparatus except for 2 runs on the vault, it seems like it all comes down to the landing to win a medal.” it was kind of strange and i didnt like it as much as i remembered, although perhaps it is just the creepy chinese “16” year olds who are like 4’8" tops, and also the odd-looking Gymnast Walk. Shawn Johnson had an awful version of this. I would award the Most Humorous Gymnast Run to that guy from Poland who won the vault, he was hilarious and also it was cool how he was 31 which is like 2863962 in gymnast years.

by Canseco's Roid Party on Aug 19, 2008 11:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's possible

they weren’t shown on the tape-delay version of the olympics.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2008 11:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Did you see the German woman?

Who is like 35 and looks like Mitch Albom?

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by DaBard on Aug 19, 2008 11:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Compulsories are gone from figure skating for several years now

They do have a pseudo-required set of moves (not everyone has to do the exact same thing in the same order) and then there’s the free skate.

Remember back say in the 60’s and 70’s where they even had the figure-eights as part of the compulsories?

What I’d like to see done is after the flame is long-since extinguished and the flag of England has been flown, the US formally protest the age of the Chinese girls. Simply put there were at least 3 of them I saw that could not possibly turn 16 this year.

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by blackhawk24 on Aug 19, 2