Minor League Wrap--August 19
Iowa Cubs
The I-Cubs seven-game winning streak ended tonight with a 9-5 loss to the New Orleans Zephyrs.
Mitch Atkins also saw his personal seven-game winning streak end with a truly bad performance. Atkins got rocked for six runs in only two innings. Atkins allowed three hits and four walks, all in the six-run second inning. He struck out two.
Jose Ascanio allowed a run in an inning of relief. Kevin Hart was perfect in his inning.
Left fielder Micah Hoffpauir was 2 for 5 with a double and two RBI, and yes, I should have a macro made up that would write that. Right fielder Andres Torres had a big night, going 4 for 5 with a stolen base and two runs scored.
Second baseman Bobby Scales hit his fourteenth home run tonight. Scales was 1 for 3 with a walk, two runs scored and two RBI.
The good news tonight was that the Memphis Redbirds lost, so the I-Cubs maintain an eight-game lead. Their magic number for clinching falls to seven.
Tennessee Smokies
The Smokies baked and fried the Montgomery Biscuits, 4-2.
Smokies starter Esmailin Caridad improved his record in AA to 6-3 with seven very strong innings. He gave up the two runs on only two hits and a walk. Both runs scored on a second inning home run. Caridad struck out three.
Jose Ceda had two innings of shutout relief. He allowed two hits, but didn't walk a batter and struck out four. Expect to see Ceda pitching in Wrigley next season.
Jake Fox continues to tear up the Southern League. Fox was 3 for 4 with his 24th home run in AA. Fox scored twice and had three RBI. Fox hit six home runs for Iowa earlier in the year, so he now has 30 on the season.
Second baseman Nate Spears had a 2 for 4 night with a triple. Spears scored twice.

Daytona Cubs
A scheduled off-day, which is good because I don't think they would have played tonight in Florida anyway.
Peoria Chiefs
The Chiefs were cut down by the Clinton Lumber Kings, 5-4 in ten innings.
Audy Santana started and allowed three runs in six innings. He gave up five hits, walked one and struck out three.
John Muller allowed the eventual game-winning home run in the tenth inning. It was the only hit he allowed in the one inning he pitched. He struck out one.
Center fielder Brandon Guyer was 2 for 5 with a double. First baseman Luis Bautista went 2 for 4 with a double and a walk. Catcher Luis Flores went 2 for 3 with a double, two RBI and a run scored. and a stolen base.
Right fielder Jonathan Wyatt was 2 for 4 with an RBI and a run scored. Wyatt stole three bases; two of third and one of second.
Boise Hawks
In a rare Northwest League afternoon game, the Hawks pounded out 24 hits and crushed the Vancouver Canadians, 16-9.
Starting pitcher Chris Carpenter allowed one run on two hits and three walks over four innings. Carpenter struck out one.
Cubs first-round pick Andrew Cashner got his first professional win with 2.2 innings of relief, although he didn't really pitch that well. He allowed two runs on five hits and he walked two. He also struck out two. Both of the runs he allowed were unearned, however.
The Hawks scored in every inning except the sixth. Let's start with Josh Vitters extending his hitting streak to 25 games by going 3 for 5 with two doubles, two runs scored and two RBI. Catcher Carlos Perez also hit two doubles with a 2 for 6 night. Perez scored three times and batted one in.
Three Hawks had four hits this afternoon. Center fielder Kurt Calvert went 4 for 7 with a double, a stolen base, a run scored and an RBI. Left fielder David Macias was 4 for 6 with a double, three RBI and two runs scored. Second baseman Marwin Gonzalez was 4 for 5 with a walk and three RBI.
First baseman Ryan Keedy went 3 for 4 with a double. He scored three times.
AZL Cubs
Did not play.
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So how good is...
Keedy and Vitters? Even Carpenter is exciting to read about… Cashner, not too sure. I have to say, another great read before I hit the sack… gotta do that work thing after all! GO CUBS!
by socalicubsfan on Aug 20, 2008 12:16 AM CDT 0 recs
My take
Keedy is more gap power. Think Grace I guess, or Lyle Overbay. Does he have the raw strength? Perhaps, but his power is more gap right now, partly due to style and swing, and you typically want power at first.
Vitters bat has been fine. His glove has also improved. They’ll move him up as soon as they feel comfortable with it. There’s an outside, outside chance that he jumps to Daytona straight in 2009. Considering his age, I imagine he’ll start 2009 in Peoria with a shot at Daytona early though.
Carpenter has 2 plus pitches by most accounts. If he was moved as a pen arm, he might move fast, but more than likely, he’ll be developed as a starter.
Cashner’s been fine. Both pitchers have to adjust some, Cashner with his control. The question on Cashner now is whether or not they will push the starting thing. I’d lean no, as he is Ceda-lite basically (most reports suggest Ceda with better stuff, and Cashner has the control concerns of Ceda last year (ceda still has concerns but he has improved)). That said, it’s not uncommon in the lower levels to extend arms for multiple innings at the lower levels, so I imagine that they’ll extend Cashner 2-3 innings consistently and see how the stuff plays out.
- Personally, and I’m in the minority on this, I’m in the camp that would love to see Marmol tried as a starter again. He was rushed up from AA, but he had been doing well as a starter in AA that year. Yes, Oneri Fleita, by most accounts, envisioned Marmol in the pen, but people forget, besides the fast/slide, he had a usable change/curve. He has enough of a starter’s arsenal. Why not try it? I’d take a starter over a pen arm anyday, and as such, I’d rather see if a guy can start because they can always move to the pen (it’s easier than the reverse). Do I expect it? No. But I would ponder it this offseason as the 5th starter if they resign Wood (if Kerry moves on then Carlos will close). But if Wood is resigned, I would have Shark start the year as the setup guy. Why? Look at the number of innings he’s tossed each year. If you start him as a starter at the beginning of the year, you are gambling on overworking him, and I think many Cubs fans would rather play it a bit safer considering recent history. If at midseason, there’s a need (say Marmol struggles as a starteR), you could always move Shark in, a la the Joba move. We have enough guys to fill 7th inning roles if Ceda isn’t ready. Ideally, Ceda would be in that 7th inning mix at the start of the year. Eventually, Shark will move to the rotation (still some folks that prefer him as a pen arm, but considering the circumstances – how he was signed – he will get a chance to start barring a surprise), at which point Ceda and perhaps Cashner would become the tagteam, with one of them groomed as the closer of the future (to bring things full circle). Keep in mind that there’s a bevy of middle relief pen arms in the system that could fill other roles, from Alessandro Maestri/Dumas Garcia, to perhaps Rocky Roquet, and then guys like Jeremy Papelbon and Casey Lambert, and more.
Again, don’t expect any of this to happen, though. I expect Marmol in the pen as I don’t think Lou will make that move.
by toonsterwu on
Aug 20, 2008 12:44 AM CDT
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Keedy
would be lucky to have Lyle Overbay’s career. That’s probably his upside, you’re right there. But I’m not real optimistic about him having a major league career.
To answer the first person’s question, as far as Vitters goes, I’m not the only one to say the sky’s the limit for this kid. He’s got tremendous speed through the hitting zone and a very good eye. I’d say David Wright is his upside, but 1) I don’t think he’ll be that good defensively and 2) I think his upside as a hitter is even higher than Wright. Not many prospects in that game can say that second thing. He’s that good and still hasn’t turned 19. If he plays in Peoria next season, I wouldn’t expect it to be for very long.
I think Cashner ends up in the pen as well. Nor is tonight anything to get too concerned about.
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by Josh77 on
Aug 20, 2008 1:36 AM CDT
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I expect Keedy to follow in Ryan Norwood's path
and maybe get to Peoria, maybe a touch of Daytona, before he’s elsewhere. I wish the best for the guy, and I do think if he retooled his swing, he might generate more power, but with other first base options around him that are similarly intriguing (Sean Hoorelbeke is also more gap power, but I think he’s got a tiny bit more raw power than Keedy; Jericho Jones has played some first; Nelson Perez is a thought; Jovan Rosa is ahead of him, and if Rebel Ridling makes more contact, he’s got the raw power to intrigue), I don’t think Ryan will get that many opportunities unless he keeps hitting for a high average.
by toonsterwu on
Aug 20, 2008 2:01 AM CDT
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I don't think he's got enough power
for a first baseman. He’s already 23 years old, so it’s not likely he’s going to grow into his power. And if you can’t hit for power in the Northwest League at 23, when are you going to hit for power? He’s getting on base a lot, but he’s still striking out in about 20% of his at bats. That wouldn’t be a bad number for a power hitter, but it doesn’t say .350 hitter to me, which he’d have to be if he doesn’t have any power.
Don’t forget Russ Canzler down in Daytona, though. Since the all-star break, he’s been hitting for average and power. I wouldn’t consider him a top prospect, but he’s a sleeper right now. He’s also younger than Keedy.
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by Josh77 on
Aug 20, 2008 2:20 AM CDT
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we're basically saying the same thing
He’ll get a look in A ball more than likely. I don’t expect him to advance beyond A ball unless something really fluky happens.
I had him 14th or something when I did our first base depth chart the other day in another thread. With guys like Blake Lalli and Luis Bautista to figure into the mix, I don’t see a future here, but he’ll get a look in Peoria, and he probably has enough athelticism that they’ll roll him out there in LF some to find PT (like they are doing with Rebel Ridling right now).
by toonsterwu on
Aug 20, 2008 2:32 AM CDT
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Interesting conversation
Yes we all are wrapped with the season that is going on presently, and we all should, However next year and this off season is important to the future of the club.
I keep Marmol in the pen, move the Shark to the Rotation, and resign Wood. Cubs have to resign Dempster first I believe to make this all fall into place.
You bring up some great points and a lot of possibilities for the arms. I like the idea that the Cubs have these options, to many teams in the majors would love to have these options.
Hats off to Hendry and Oneri Fleita.
Now new ownership has to sign Wood and Dempster, step 1 in my book.
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by Grockcubs on
Aug 20, 2008 7:42 AM CDT
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marshall, not shark
i think you have to give marshall a shot at the rotation before the shark. keep him in the pen for another year and see how he does, i think marshall has earned the opportunity to join the rotation. gotta jetison marquis though.
bring up felix.
by kylejo on
Aug 20, 2008 11:53 AM CDT
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Here's my only concerns with that plan
which I’ve indicated. Namely, starting Shark in the rotation is going to be a tricky deal. I don’t think any of us want to see a high upside arm get overworked badly again, but if you start him in the rotation at the start of the year, that possibility, overworking, really exists considering the number of innings he’s worked each year before this. And in my opinion, at the end of the day, he’d be filling a 5th starter role, so I’d be okay with Marshall, someone else holding the spot for him and have him step in midseason if we wanted to get Shark in the rotation next year.
In saying all this, I could see us go that route.
by toonsterwu on
Aug 20, 2008 2:22 PM CDT
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That's a bold position on Marmol.
I don’t think it will ever happen either. Marmol’s built up so much value and name recognition as a reliever that it would be pretty shocking for the Cubs to consider him for the rotation. And it doesn’t appear (as of right now at least) that the team will be that desperate for arms to fill out next year’s rotation anyway. Plus, given Marmol’s high-energy pitching style, I have a hard time envisioning him having the endurance to go 6+ innings.
I’m also not crazy about the notion of taking any sort of “Joba-like” approach to Samardzija. Either leave him in the pen as a power arm or stretch him out during spring training as a starter and go that route for the entire season. Many have speculated that Joba’s injury issues this season are in large part due to the fact that the Yankees tried to have it both ways with him. I’d hope the Cubs wouldn’t make this same mistake.
I do agree that Ceda appears on track to joining the team next year. I’m looking forward to that.
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by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 20, 2008 9:15 AM CDT
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I agree about Marmol and Shark
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by californiachicagoan on
Aug 20, 2008 11:43 AM CDT
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Just seems like a waste
Btw, I don’t actually anticipate MArmol making the move. Not at all. Lou is going to be the mgr. – he’s not making that move.
Just seems like such a waste, tho. I think we can all agree that starters have more value than pen arms, and for a guy with a starter’s arsenal (his curve and change were usable 3rd pitches) – just seems like a risk. Here’s my question – Why not? Why not take that gamble? If he pans out, great. If not, you can send him back to the pen the year after. As they get older, it’ll be harder to try them as a starter. – in saying all this, don’t see it happening.
Personally, on Shark, I’d leave him in the pen all year for 2009 and look to 2010 for him in the rotation. After all, if we resign Demp, we are talking about a 5th starter here. Btw, I don’t buy that Joba’s injury deals directly with that. The Yankees were very careful in building up arm strength. The plan was sound. He’ll be back in the next few weeks.
by toonsterwu on
Aug 20, 2008 2:26 PM CDT
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Didn't the Red Sox
try to do the same thing with Papelbon after his first year of closing, but he decided he was better off in the bullpen? I do agree with you on Marmol, I would at least like to see him get a few starts in spring training or something.
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by thecoolest on
Aug 20, 2008 7:49 PM CDT
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That was the report
That Papelbon liked closing better and asked to move back there, which addressed their closer situation that year.
by toonsterwu on
Aug 20, 2008 9:28 PM CDT
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Marmol was pretty bad as a starter in 2006.
The problem was stamina. He threw really well for 3 or 4 innings then would get lit up.
That makes it much more logical to keep him where he is.
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by Al on
Aug 21, 2008 8:58 AM CDT
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How'd Pie Do?
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola
by Ryan at Cubshub on Aug 20, 2008 1:28 AM CDT 0 recs
Thanks.
I try to keep tabs on the top prospects.
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola
by Ryan at Cubshub on Aug 20, 2008 1:41 AM CDT 0 recs
Technically
Pie isn’t a prospect anymore, as he’s got too much time in the majors. So when the year end lists come out (including mine) and Pie isn’t on it, that’s why.
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by Josh77 on
Aug 20, 2008 2:21 AM CDT
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Vitters
I know there is no need to rush this kid because he is still young and he has a very bright future if he is brought along the right way, but is it out of line to think we’ll see him at AA next year. I know this year he was about to get promoted but then got hurt so they held off on it and left him in Peoria. If he shows he can hit at Daytona I don’t see the harm in sending him to Tennesse as early as next year. I don’t want to rush him but if he can succeed I don’t want to hold him back and I’m a little selfish and want to see him in the majors ASAP.
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by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Aug 20, 2008 5:38 AM CDT 0 recs
Re:
Tennessee is certainly a possibility. That said, he’s at Boise right now. Will they skip Peoria and jump him to Daytona? It’s not impossible, but my gut feeling is that, due to his age, he’ll start 2009 in Peoria (Low A). Only time will tell.
My own guess is that they want him to be ready in 2011, with Lee’s contract done and Aramis’ in his last year (although there is a 2012 club option on Aramis).
by toonsterwu on
Aug 20, 2008 6:43 AM CDT
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Vitters
There’s no need to rush his development. I think with certainty he will start 2009 at low A Peoria and probably be expected to spend most if not all the year there.
by MDBNIU on
Aug 20, 2008 10:40 AM CDT
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Agreed
2009- Low A/High A
2010- Tennessee
2011- Iowa
2012- Chicago
Vitters will only be 22 years old on opening day 2012.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on
Aug 20, 2008 11:59 AM CDT
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Agreed - best case scenario would be
2009 – Low A/High A
2010 – Tennessee/Iowa
2011 – Cubs – Lee’s contract would be done, so they could have him at first for a year before sliding him over to 3rd.
That said, this is the absolute best case scenario and yours is what I anticipate happening (or something like that).
by toonsterwu on
Aug 20, 2008 2:29 PM CDT
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The Southern League
next season would really be pushing it on Vitters. He doesn’t turn 19 until next week. A quick scan of the Southern League shows Mariners prospect Gregory Halman as the youngest hitter in the Southern League at 20, and he joined the Diamond Jaxx mid-season. The Dodgers gave an 18 year old pitcher three innings there before sending him to the Midwest League (probably a roster maneuver) and other than that, the only 20 year olds in the Southern League this season were Clayton Kershaw and top Brewer pitching prospect Jeremy Jefress.
The way they are keeping Vitters at Boise this summer indicates to me that they wouldn’t be so aggressive to put Vitters in AA next season. Maybe for a week at the end of the year.
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by Josh77 on
Aug 20, 2008 11:22 AM CDT
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Whats going on with
Lee Hak-Ju?
I remember reading about him and how he has many outstanding tools for his age. I think I also read something about an australian league as well? Maybe some of you could fill me in and tell me how he is progressing………….
by StlCUBBIE on Aug 20, 2008 7:47 AM CDT 0 recs
I think
they’ve decided that he’s going to play in the instructional leagues this season and won’t play in the organized minors until next year. They did the same with Dae-Eun Rhee last year.
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by Josh77 on
Aug 20, 2008 11:23 AM CDT
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Re:
They never planned on bringing him over this year. I think he’s in our Far East facility, which I think is actually in Australia. Last I heard, it was still up in the air on instructs, but he would definitely come over next year, likely XST/AZL.
by toonsterwu on
Aug 20, 2008 2:30 PM CDT
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2009 Smokies Schedule Released
It’s never too early to look at a minor league schedule.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Aug 20, 2008 10:08 AM CDT 0 recs
I really hope Ceda makes it.
For Maddux the Padres gave us Izzy and it did SEEM like a good idea at the time
but for Todd Walker we got Ceda. I love how these things work out.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 20, 2008 1:21 PM CDT 0 recs
BP's Kevin Goldstein is holding a chat right now...
…and it’s free to nonsubscribers. This should interest:
Navin (Pasadena, CA): Cubs 9th rounder Jay Jackson has 70 strikeouts and 13 walks in 45 innings at 3 levels (the highest being the FSL). What type of prospect is he and how excited should I be?
Kevin Goldstein: In all seriousness, get a little excited. He’s showing above average velocity, breaking stuff and command, and people are wondering how he lasted until the 9th round. Total stud? No. But a way better prospect than where he was drafted.
by cwyers on Aug 20, 2008 1:55 PM CDT 0 recs
He also called
Vitters “Howie Kendrick with more pop.” And got (mockingly) criticized for violating the scouting rule of never comparing a white player to a black player.
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by Josh77 on
Aug 20, 2008 2:15 PM CDT
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I'll take comparison to Howie Kendrick any day
Kendrick is a damned good ballplayer with lots of upside.
by MDBNIU on
Aug 20, 2008 3:34 PM CDT
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Jay is intriguing
with his physical ability, and with his “loose” arm, he’s done real well. I think he’s more of a mid-rotation guy if he makes it up, as he doesn’t have top level stuff, but he’s “deceptive” with average stuff, which is a better combination than people think. I could see him as a late inning setup type arm as well.
by toonsterwu on
Aug 20, 2008 2:32 PM CDT
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great!
Interestingly, i asked Kevin the exact same question for this chat.
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Aug 20, 2008 5:55 PM CDT
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Mark Pawalek?
I heard he was shutdown for the season in the minors. Anyone know why? Disappointing first round pick it looks like.
by astroview on Aug 20, 2008 3:40 PM CDT 0 recs
Sounds like disciplinary reasons
Apparently he didn’t get his passport in order like he was supposed to before the trip to Vancouver, despite being reminded numerous times. Cubs told him to just go home if he wasn’t going to follow directions. Pawelek is saying he’s fine physically.
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by Josh77 on
Aug 20, 2008 4:02 PM CDT
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The disappointment this year
is that the reviews out of XST were quite good on Mark. He supposedly had his act together, Riggins let him go back to his old delivery, and he supposedly had regained his velocity. I certainly didn’t have any expectations, but I was mildly curious if things would come to fruition … and they clearly haven’t. I think it’s time to cut the cord with him. He’ll get another shot – there’s still some intrigue with that arm and he’s still young. But sometimes, you gotta move on.
by toonsterwu on
Aug 20, 2008 5:04 PM CDT
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Something just isn't right with that kid
And it’s a shame. But I never bought that Playstation story, anyway.
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