Overflow Thread 3: Cubs vs. Pirates, Saturday 8/2, 12:05 CT
by Al Yellon on Aug 2, 2008 2:45 PM CDT
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First and a win!
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
William Wrigley Jr
by bubbamike the one and only on Aug 2, 2008 2:51 PM CDT reply actions
From Seattle
Just got, as Jack Brickouse used to say, “the happy totals.”
"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI
pinch me i'm dreamin
It’s August, Cubs are waaaay over .500, in first place, and gaining steam. I don’t want to wake up!
+1!
Feeling silly…
"Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." ~Master Yoda
Ladies and Gentlemen
We have now tied the 2006 Cubs for total wins! :-)
"Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." ~Master Yoda
But the Halos
have the best record in baseball. We need to take that distinction back to the the Second City!
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
William Wrigley Jr
by bubbamike the one and only on Aug 2, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
It would help
if the NL Central was as horrible as the AL West.
"Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." ~Master Yoda
Excuses, excuses! ;-)
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
William Wrigley Jr
by bubbamike the one and only on Aug 2, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
The regular season W-L record means nothing
but determining who gets into the playoffs.
Get to the playoffs first then get it done!
Lou’s 2001 Mariners were 116-46 but lost the AL Championship Series (4-1) to New York Yankees after winning the AL Division Series (3-2) over Cleveland Indians.
The Mariners did not receive any rings for winning 116 games.
Go Cubs!
"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."
Oh...
That 2006 team was probably the worst team I’ve ever seen. I lived by Wrigley that year, so I had all the negatives of living there (traffic, noise, etc) without the positive of seeing a good club in my backyard.
What an abomination…
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Aug 2, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
You're young
aren’t you. If not you’d remember some terrible teams from the ‘50, ‘60s and ‘70s.
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
William Wrigley Jr
by bubbamike the one and only on Aug 2, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Because of expansion & parity now.
Most of the bad teams in the 50’s, 60’s & 70’s probably would fare well in today’s bloated Major Leagues.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Aug 2, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
That's crap
the disparity in the 1950s through the 60s was huge—without a draft and without free agency, the top four or five teams stockpiled all the talent.
On top of that, the number of teams may have doubled, but the population of the US has doubled too. When you add all the players we now get from Latin America and the Far East, the ratio of talent to major leaguers is actually lower.
That’s not even getting into the condition and nutrition ideas of the 1950s and 1960s—i.e. nonexistant.
The Pittsburgh Pirates we just beat would crush the Cub teams of the early 1950s.
Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?
I stand by my assertion.
Teams in the 50’s, 60’s & 70’s generally played the game the right way. Which goes a long way in today’s game. But I think you make a lot of good points as well. Something for me to chew on. Thanks Josh.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Aug 2, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
What right way?
Big difference between the game in the 1950s and the 1970s.
And I think the idea that players “back in the day” executed the fundamentals that today’s players can’t is a lot of old men shouting “You kids get off my lawn!”
Hank Sauer did not do the little things well in the 1950s. Neither did Omar Moreno in the 1970s.
Also, just look at pictures of players in those days and compare them to the athletes of today. No contest. I suppose you can argue about steroids, but players back then were popping greenies every day.
We can agree to disagree, but I generally believe that “The good old days” weren’t.
Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?
I'm not going to argue with you.
Are you old enough to have actually seen baseball played in the 70’s?
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Aug 2, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I am young
I was born in 1984. The 2006 season was probably the worst for me because the team started off so well (I was at the Sunday night game in April against the Cardinals when Barrett hit a grand slam and we swept them). Then the bottom fell out…
It didn’t help when Dusty basically gave up on the team with his “I don’t have my horses, dude” comment.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Aug 2, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, he did lose Lee for almost the whole year...
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Aug 2, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
That's true, but
the manager shouldn’t be admitting he can’t win with his current roster. What kind of signals does that send to those players?
That being said, the combined powers of Dick Williams, Sparky Anderson and Terry Francona couldn’t have salvaged that season…
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Aug 2, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but
we could’ve still won the division if only Rami had driven in 183 runs and hustled more. What an overpaid jackass! :-P
"Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." ~Master Yoda
Ha ha
That’s what I’ll remember most about that season (all sarcasm aside now), the constant whining and harping on Rami for not picking up the slack caused by Lee’s absence. As though he could physically force pitchers not to pitch around him…
"Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." ~Master Yoda
Exactamundo. You know I think the same thing.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Aug 2, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
2006....
I was unemployed the first half of the baseball season, I started my cleaning business that summer. I use to crack the joke that atleast now I was getting paid while I was listening Cubs lose.
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 2, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
What about '85, what about '99? Those teams were bad...
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Aug 2, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
1980 and 1981
were the worst teams of my lifetime.
Just go to Baseball-reference and see how bad those teams were.
The 1985 team wasn’t bad, it was just injured.
Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?
'85 underachieved. And the front office wouldn't go out and get anybody to help...
I agree ‘80 & ‘81 were BAD…
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Aug 2, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't all five starters on the '85 team
end up on the DL at one point?
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Aug 2, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
4 of them were at the same time
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Yes
They had the best record in baseball in early May. Then all five starters hit the DL.
Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?
Wow
I’m glad I wasn’t really sentient at that stage of my life to see that…must have been a bloodbath.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Aug 2, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
It was, and a big letdown after '84.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Aug 2, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Mathematically
Goo news: We can still tie the 1906 Cubs for most wins in a season. Bad news: We’d have to go 50-1 the rest opf the way.
"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI
Haha
And they did it in 154 games. Wow…
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Aug 2, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
110-44 was 1927 Yankees record.
Mentioned it in the book I was reading and I knew they were incredible…. but wow
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
'27 Yanks were probably the best team ever.
I’ve got a ball signed by the entire ‘27 Yanks. My grandfather, (1891-1984), caught a foul ball at Comiskey in August of ‘27, and had the entire team sign it. Even he realized then that that team was great, and he was a White Sox fan!
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Aug 2, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
The place I work at just hosted an auction
Where a Honus Wagner 1909 baseball card went for 1.35 million. I bet that baseball could fetch a pretty price…
I’d keep it though.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Aug 2, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
They might be
But they were really two of the greatest players of all time and a bunch of solid but unexciting regulars. And Tony Lazzeri, who was somewhere between the boring rest of the team and Ruth and Gehrig. I think they get overhyped by the NY media. Heck, I don’t even think they were the greatest Yankee team of all time (give me the 1938 or 1939 team.)
I think the 1929 Athletics, the 1939 Yankees and the 1975 Reds were better. Probably the 1906 Cubs too, but they get no respect since they lost the World Series.
Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?
Herb Penneck (sp?)
was pretty good. I don’t know how to translate stats from that era, but he lead the league in WHIP a few times, among other things, and made the Hall.
I’ll take your word about the other teams you mentioned. I’m not the baseball historian you are.
By the way, love the daily minor league reports.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Aug 2, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Unexciting regulars?
The 1927 Yankees batted .307, slugged .489, scored 975 runs, and outscored their opponents by a record 376 runs. Center fielder Earle Combs had a career best year, batting .356 with 231 hits, left fielder Bob Meusel batted .337 with 103 RBIs, and second baseman Tony Lazzeri drove in 102 runs. Gehrig batted .373, with 218 hits, 52 doubles, 18 triples, 47 home runs, a then record 175 RBIs, slugged at .765, and was voted A.L. MVP. Ruth amassed a .356 batting average, 164 RBIs, 158 runs scored, walked 137 times, and slugged .772. Most notably, his 60 home runs that year broke his own record and remained the Major League mark for 34 years until Roger Maris broke it.
The pitching staff led the league in ERA at 3.20, and included Waite Hoyt, who went 22-7, which tied for the league lead, and Herb Pennock, who went 19-8. Wilcy Moore won 19 as a reliever. The 1927 Yankees would eventually send six players along with manager Miller Huggins and president Ed Barrow to the Baseball Hall of Fame; only the 1928 Yankees had more with 9 players along with Huggins and Barrow.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Aug 2, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I can only imagine the psychological effect
of stepping on the field with that team. The other team probably felt like they were gonna lose before the first pitch, much like the ‘96 Bulls. They would instill fear in the opponent by just showing up.
"Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." ~Master Yoda
'54 Cleveland Indians
Went 111-43, then got swept by Giants in the World Series.
"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI
Watching the Ryne Sandberg special on CSN
and I must say that hearing Bob Costas call a Ryno homer is just about the greatest thing ever. I miss Costas on national telecasts very much…
"Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." ~Master Yoda
Ryne Sandberg is one of the reasons I became a Cubs fan
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 2, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
great to see a Cubs win....
Too bad i had to check out early I think I have the flu or something…. not feeling good at all right now :(
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .291 18 HR 47 RBI
That sucks
You should stop by a Walgreens/CVS and talk to a pharmacist. Maybe they can recommend something.
Feel better.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Aug 2, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
hope you feel better
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
thanks everyone
Go Cubs!
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .291 18 HR 47 RBI
Hope you feel better dude
drink lots of juice or water, sleep and take it easy this weekend.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
Heres another person that doesnt feel all that well either
Chris Duncan to have surgery on herniated disk, likely done for the season
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .291 18 HR 47 RBI
That's a big blow to the Cardinals.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Aug 2, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Ouch
Doesn’t sound all that comfortable.
Back injuries are nothing to mess around with. The pain can be lifelong.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Aug 2, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Not to state the obvious.........
but about ago I was a lil worried about the Cubs and they’ve went 7-3 in their last 10 games and are up by 4 in division.
A good remember of baseball being a marathon not sprint
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
about a week ****
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
I'm lurking
"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."
Missed the thread but enjoyed the game
Can’t exactly follow BCB when I am there. Heck I can barely do it when I am at
the office. Teddy Roosevelt Lilly is my favorite Cub pitcher. Everyone else can have the
aces, I want the guy who struggles and comes through. He always look like he is
one pitch or comment away from kicking someoness ass.
Oh and catching up with all the previous posts I just want to stay I KNEW DARYL WARD
was the last pirate to hit for the cycle because I remember watching it on EI years ago
but who is gonna believe me now that you all got the answer.
Lastly I consider myself and exceptional jackass so perhaps I should stay away from these threads ( also I have NO clue how to post photos, let alone ones of cute kitty cats).
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Good point about Lilly.
He is one determined man this year. Gutting it out, and now he’s got 11 wins. By the way, you’re no tarbox- there really is only one tarobx… and his first name is Horace.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Aug 2, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe you on D Ward.
I’d still like to see video of him hoofing out a triple. It had to be a terribly misplayed ball.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
me sorta.
I just saw Fox commerical for October. It had a black cat going across the screen and talked of curses. They showed Cubs and BoSox hi- lites as part of the commerical. God help us.
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
That's the only thing they have to hype. Well that's just like Fox...
Hype something with teases, and inconsequential crap, then fail to deliver the goods.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Aug 2, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Worthless factoid
Just bought a T-Shirt signed by Jamie Moyer to help support a local little league team. Apparently, he lives in the same Seattle neighborhood where I’m staying even though he’s no longer with the Marriners.
Speaking of the Marriners. Is the local press ever down on them. Kind of like us in ‘06 (or ‘02, ‘99, ‘97, ‘96, ‘95, ‘94, etc., etc.)
"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI
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