Let's Talk About...Contracts
At this point in the season, people begin bandying about talk of the various Free Agents that will be available in the upcoming offseason. While we all have hope that this season will be the one we've all been waiting for, that doesn't mean that we can stop planning for next year. I'm sure Hendry and the FO have been doing just that, even with the uncertain ownership situation. This post and related discussion to follow (I hope everyone chimes in for a while) is intended to recap the Cubs contract/payroll situation, and discuss the options available for 2009 and going forward.

Contract info is from Cot's- http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html
First I will list the salaries for players under contract or club control (guaranteed renewal, or arbitration) for next season.
Starting Pitching:
Z: $17.75M in 2009 ($17.875M in 10&11, $18M in 12, $19.25 vesting player option in '13)
Lilly $12M in 2009 (and $12M in 2010)
Marquis $9.875 in 2009
Harden $7M club option (I am considering him as under contract, it has been previously discussed that there is a loophole where he could demand a trade as a player w/ 5 years service which he will have following this year...but there is no way that scenario actually happens. I think it was just something where the blogger who wrote about it needed something to complain about, as they were used to always criticizing Hendry, and couldn't admit that he has done a great job recently. Tangent over.)
Rich Hill, if he ever can get the magic back, would be a minimum contract next year as well. Other rotation options for next year discussed below-
Bullpen:
Marshall: I love him as a starter personally, especially because he should be making about $400K next year. Don't know where to find service time info updated to this year, but at the beginning of the year he had 1 year and 132 days, so he needed to be in the majors for nearly the entire year to get arbitration. Pretty sure he was in the minors for enough time that he won't hit arbitration, I don't know how much he would even make in arb- it wouldn't be terrible if he did but would be more expensive than $400K for sure, maybe about $1M?
Cotts: arb-eligible, he's been solid so I'd say he will get a raise from $800K, probably something around $1M or slightly over?
Wuertz is in the same boat as Cotts, not nearly as good this year though. He is currently at $860K and I'm guessing he'll get about that (there's some %-max for arbitration pay cuts I think?), Cotts sucked in 2007 and got the $800K for 2008 so that's probably a good guess for Mike.
SHARK- First glance looks like he'll get about $2M next year, I shouldn't try to read anything else into his contract as it is just weird.
Gaudin- He'll be somewhere around $2M. Note that Gaudin, Cotts, and Wuertz are all under Cubs control in 2009 and 2010.
Marmol- he'll be slightly over 2 years service time. $400K give or take the cost of a few of Soriano's suites.
Guzman- if he is able to pitch, he could be a great bargain for the minimum.
Hart- also an auto~$400K guy. Ascanio and Piggy also would qualify if brought up to the majors, and those two along with Billy Petrick are the only other 40-man bullpen arms under contract...well except for Harben who has 0.000 service time and i think that he may FINALLY be removed from the 40-man following this season. One would hope.
Also, I'm guessing Randy Wells could get a look as a pen arm for the minimum, depending on our needs he could be servicable middle relief at the cheapest possible price.
Hitters:
Soto: oh yes. i love the thought of a top C making less than a half mil a year in 2009 and 2010. And under club control for 3 MORE years.
Theriot: also making the auto-renewal amount for one more season ($428K in 2008).
Blanco: $3M club option ($300K buyout) in 2009. Also whoever put the award bonuses in Hank's contract must have an outstanding sense of humor, the thought of Hank White as an All-Star or Silver Slugger is hilarious, and I hope he is the WS MVP and gets that additional $150K. Hell, I'll send him my entire net worth (which is significantly less than this amount) if he hits the game winning hit in the WS clincher. Also I will have likely had a heart attack from seeing him come up to the plate in such a scenario, so I better go write a will or something.
DeRosa: $5.5M in 2009.
Dome: $11.5M in 2009 ($13M in 2010, $13.5M in 2011)- I really really really hate the backloading of this contract, unless Dome does what some 2nd year Japanese imports do and really figures out MLB in year 2; he only was paid $6M this year so hopefully we get 2x the value next year.
DLee: $13M in 2009 & 2010.
Soriano: $16M in 2009, $18M in 2010-2014.
A-Ram: $15.65M in 2009 ($15.75M in 2010, $14.6M player option in 2010, $16M club option)- The player option is actually his option to void contract after 2010 and become a FA, don't know what the odds of him doing so would be.
Cedeno: arbitration eligible in 2009, so he'll become a bit more expensive if retained.
Fontenot: auto-renewal, 2 more years pre-arbitration, which is nice.
Pie: Apparently we still have this guy. He has accrued very little service time, and we will see if that changes. All other minor leaguers such as Fuld, HOFF, Jake Fox...basically everyone who sucks but gets a horde of fans from a brief cup of coffee glory, they all have mere days of service time. As none of these players will likely ever reach even the 3 year barrier, this is not really too important to know, but I mention it anyhow.
So you stuck with me through all of this...what does it all mean?
Before you count the club control guys, we have $108,275,000 currently on the books for next year. This is Z,Lilly,Marquis,Harden,Lee,ARam,Sori,Dome,DeRo- 9 players. Notice this is almost as much as our current payroll, even with several FAs coming off the books. Backloaded contracts...it is strange that we should hope for inflation in this case, at least baseball inflation.
Adding in my rough estimates for Soto, Theriot, Fontenot, Cedeno, Marshall, Wuertz, Cotts, Gaudin, Marmol, Shark, Hart, Pie, and Hoff leaves us with what we'd have without signing or trading anyone. This would fill 22 of the 25 roster spots and mean Hoff replaces Ward; Marshall is #5 starter, Pie in CF, no backup C yet, and we have 6 relievers at this point with Wuertz/Hart replacing Wood/Howry...a downgrade even if HR Howry continues. The cost of all this? Somewhere around $118M, and if we pick up Blanco's option to fill the C spot we're looking at an additional 3- $121M.
Especially if Pie is allowed to play, we will re-up Reed, at something like $2M for a year. He'd be worth that, but anything more and I'd have to say no.
Resigning Wood would be nice, but that should be dependent on his asking price. Someone could throw money at him, and I'd think a 3-year deal or so might be necessary to get him back- I just don't know if we could do a 3/30 without moving some serious $$ off the rolls. Dumping Marquis would make this more feasible.
Thinking about it like that, there doesn't seem to be any way we could resign Wood and Demp- anybody have any guesses at the market for Dempster? My guess is 4/$60M, hope we can get a slight discount and make it a deal...but I am flexible as to whether we should resign him or not. Hopefully Wellington Castillo can fill the backup C spot for cheap, saving us $2.7M after we buy out Blanco, but you never know how that will work.
So after all this rambling, my initial conclusions are that:
We owe a lot of money next year.
We can't afford to let anyone but Pie play CF (or Pie/Reed platoon)
Drop Hank White and let him bask in the glow of his World Series MVP as a retiree.
I hope the Starting Pitcher market continues to go crazy, because my ideal scenario there would be: Dump Marquis, Sign Demp for a not-absurd amount. Although those two might kind of be impossible to have the necessary market so that both occur...i guess one or the other is good enough. If we can "trade Demp for Marquis", we would then have Z/Demp/Harden/Lilly/Marshall
Then any additional cash would be directed towards relief, as the other obvious hole would be Wood's departure. This is where someone like Ceda/Guzman could help, because if one of those two is back of the bullpen quality, having Marmol/Gaudin/Shark(who would probably start in AAA stretching out?)/(Ceda/Guzman) would give us 4 back of bullpen relievers, with Cotts also being a very solid lefty. Then Hart/Wuertz/Wells/whatever could clean up, and bullpen could be solid.
Adding Wood would be great and vastly improve the pen as well. But I'm not gonna overpay unless it's an area of need...so we'll have to play it by ear.
Cliff Notes: We have massive payroll commitments for 2009, but are in decent shape overall and there should be ways to make the necessary additions. Let's discuss and I hope this can be a long-lasting and intelligent discussion on any and all contract issues!
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My guess is that
If we advance far, assuming we don’t get a stingy owner, the strings will be loose enough to offer some flexibility.
the Dempster market will be around 4/52 to 4/60. I think Demp will want that 4th year. I’d try to give him a high AAV on 3 if he was open. The question that needs to be asked is – is Dempster worth it at that high, even if it’s 4/52? My gut instinct says yes on 4/52, no on 4/60, anywhere in b/w is debatable. Will he cut us a discount?
If we dump Marquis in the offseason, I expect we’ll have to eat some money.
In regards to the pen – I think we should sign Wood back. Why? NAmely because, with Howry and Eyre moving on, it’d be nice to have an older, veteran presence there, and signing Wood vs. spending on some FA? Might as well keep Wood if the price is reasonable.
I’ll add some more thoughts later.
by toonsterwu on Aug 20, 2008 5:14 PM CDT 0 recs
Agree on Dempster
He’s looking at a 4 year, $50 million plus payday in today’s marketplace for pitching. The losers in the derby to land CC Sabathia and Ben Sheets may drive the bidding for Dempster insane.
Marquis and his $9.2 million due in 2009 are immovable. He likely stays a Cub.
Kerry Wood will be an interesting negotiation. I would be very leery of going beyond a 2 year deal incentive-laden deal.
by MDBNIU on
Aug 20, 2008 5:22 PM CDT
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Hey Mike. I heard the city was limiting the Cubs to 18 players this year. Confirm or Deny?
Keep in mind, I like players. I say the more, the better. The thing is, I was looking at the roster today, and could swear that I counted 23 players. I’m really confused on this one. Any help is appreciated!
by sackings108 on
Aug 20, 2008 6:45 PM CDT
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Can we let it go?
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on
Aug 20, 2008 10:48 PM CDT
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IMO
Dempster (and his close relationship with Hendry….the fact he loves the Cubs, IMO) he stays a Cub.
How much money do you need? Demp has a career after baseball doing something.
Hendry took a chance on him…post TJS and he seems like a standup guy.
Your reasoning is great in that he is the 3rd best option but I strongly think he remains a Cub
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by Hammer on
Aug 20, 2008 6:46 PM CDT
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What kind of discount do you think Dempster will give the team?
by Old Style & Ivy on
Aug 20, 2008 6:52 PM CDT
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Great question....
…….10%…..honestly I have no idea. The market isnt set yet. If Yost buried CCs arm ALL could change.
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by Hammer on
Aug 20, 2008 7:03 PM CDT
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I think we could get him
4/40
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by drewishdrewid on
Aug 20, 2008 10:28 PM CDT
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I think you are dreaming.
but I hope that you are right… :)
by Archie on
Aug 21, 2008 8:37 AM CDT
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Wrong premise at the beginning----what is the budget and direction of the new owners
It is correct that the Cubs are under obligations to about $110M +/- next year which means little. The premise begins with what budget the owner/management is working off of. Going cheap a new owner could pull a Florida Marlins as well.
My guess if my college classmate in Mark Cuban (IU guy), buys the team for a record $1B+ he will not be looking at cheap for his value is the product presentation and pre-sold season tickets at the high or highest end of the market place. BTW Baseball will welcome Mark because his purchase will increase their asset values immediately.
Second, it will be determined whatever flexibility he has in selling broadcast rights which will be determined by the fate/outcome of the Cubs this year.
My guess is that Cuban will look to the BOSOX-NYY model of being close to but not and even up to the salary cap(tax) where McPhail was always trying to win the political battles with small market teams by suppressing the Cubs payroll.
So $110M is now and my guess is somewhere between $130-140M will be the range minimum so the Cubs will have plenty of money to get Dempster & Wood under contract and extend Harden, reward and even extend Marmol and Soto.
Thus, Dempster will be hotly and rightfully pursued by the Cubs for he wins at Wrigley. My other guess is that Blanco will be renewed if he wants to come back, Hill is there in the event but I doubt Henry will leave $3M on the table.
Wood is a lock, both love each other and he is the marketing face of this generation’s team and Cuban will know this and work to having him here and being the face of the club.
Marquis will most likely be traded (again being effectively released from his 3rd contender, Atl & StL) with a money type of deal where the Cubs pay $2-3M of his remaining salary. That would leave the top four pitchers in place where Hill, Marshall Samardijia or Guzman will most likely be vying to two spots, the 5th starter and Swing/long relief, most likely Marshall or Hill or even Guzman. Barring injury this gives the Cubs until 2011 to develop another starter since Harden will most likely be locked up this winter was well with a famed Hendry extension/option deal.
That leaves Howry off the roles (where I think Samardijia replaces). All this means that the Cubs will have one pitcher who is MLB ready in AAA and in place for a DL.
On the field only CF is open where the idea will be to place Pie and Johsnon in one more time to see if that solves the issue. Thus the roster is; Soto/Blanco, DLee, DeRosa, Theriot, Ramirez, Soriano, Fukudome, Pie/RJ, Fontenot with only 2 spots open for newcomers on the field and Z, Harden, Lilly, Dempster, Wood, Marmol, Samardzija, Cotts, Gaudin guaranteed with Marshall, Hill, Guzman, probably vying to two spots, one in the rotation and one in bullpen.
Thus with three spots open on the bench I think the Cubs will be looking for two special players; one a IF/OF who can play all OF’s and some IF who can PH/platoon (12 pitchers and 13 position players) to be matched with Fontenot who I think the Cubs will also seek to develop LBR into as well.
Depending on Ryan Freel’s recovery of his knee and Hammie he is the perfect guy for that other IF/OF, where I also think the Cubs are going to invest heavily this winter with Fontenot and have him play winter ball either in the OF or SS. If Fonty can play SS than the Cubs would improve the Cubs flexibility ever more. The other player I think the Cubs might look at is Greg Norton who now is with the Atlanta Braves, 36 years old, PH and switch hitter to boot who can play many positions 1B/RF/LF. That then leaves one more player for the bench and the Cubs need a bona fide SS backup and a veteran to boot to back up Theriot, this might be a Loretta or even Counsel.
My guess if I were the Cubs I would trade Cedeno who will be arbitration eligible and Marquis for value seeking to find a genuine SS prospect to develop.
Freel would be insurance for Pie and could platoon well with RJ who will want to stay. Cubs are developing a backup for Soto right now and could be up in September next year, they got relief arms in the minors with Ascanio, Ceda and some starters working up to challenge when Lilly’s contract is up but figure that Dempster will get 4 years taking him to Z’s date, Harden will probably get 3 year extension taking him to 2013 and Z’s date as well. So the 5th starter and backup will be there and inevitably there will be injuries and DL stints.
Fontenot is the key, he is a good stick and if he can play a few games/innings at SS and few games/innings in the OF and 2B the Cubs would have genuine strength for a few years and be there when DeRosa’s contract is done. BTW DeRosa has the second most RBI’s on this team and is emerging as the MVP.
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by Ivy Walls on
Aug 21, 2008 11:29 AM CDT
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Couple thoughts after reading this Ivy-
pretty much you’re agreeing with me, as I’m essentially working off the premise that payroll will be $130-140M next year. This is a good positive direction, I think we should aim to be right around~5 or so in the league in payroll, little lower isn’t bad if we are flexible midseason, but i don’t want to get out of control like BOS/NYY completely, as they find themselves with a lot of untradeable contracts (we have done this some, but we’d need a bunch more to catch up).
As to extensions-
If Harden is healthy through this year and beginning of next, definitely extend him ASAP- don’t want the $/years to get out of control on this, but you also don’t want to lock him up before needed and risk injury (unless we can get a highly incentive-based contract, which is unlikely)
Soto yes. Note that he is old enough that we really don’t need to extend him for too long, he’ll likely decline soon after hitting FA. A Tulowitzki-style contract would be perfect here, locking up a top young player at a tough position to fill, buying out all his arbitration, and then adding on a year or two at FA.
Maybe give him $2M in final pre-arb year, $5M avg for the 3 years arb, then $10M first year FA with a $12M team option thereafter? This may be completely lowballing, I don’t know, but it would be a good deal and it seems like to someone making less than half a mil, he might jump at the chance to insure his career. This would pay him $39M potentially, over 6 years- or $27M over 5. My uncertainty over the arb process is why i am just guessing here. But I like that structure.
As to Marmol-
No, I would not extend him. We will get like 4 more cost-controlled years out of him, and not only is he a violent thrower, if he keeps up this level the market for him would be insanely high. I think our value in a trade would be much better than that of signing him at something like $10M+ to relieve (although for the amount of innings he throws then maybe it’s a deal! ha) Should be able to pick up a couple top prospects at some point around his final pre-FA year assuming he is still good, and if he is not then extending would be a bad play anyway.
Back to Harden:
Upon further consideration of the starting P market, I decided that if we extend Rich Harden for a fair but large contract, I will be ok if he becomes the next Prior. Because he is SO AWESOME that thinking about the possibility of him pitching even half of the next 6 seasons for the Cubs….it makes me smile deep inside in that place where only strikeouts can.
by Canseco's Roid Party on
Aug 21, 2008 11:49 AM CDT
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oh yeah and Fontenot can't play SS.
We will be fine at 2B, either by picking up a righty half to platoon w/Mike or one of the MANY prospects who will likely end up as solid 2B prospects.
I long for the days of the Five 2B lineup! But not really.
by Canseco's Roid Party on
Aug 21, 2008 11:51 AM CDT
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Discount guess
4/44 to 4/48 or something like 3/39. I’d definitely jump on both, preferably a 3/39. Heck, I’d be open to going 3/52 if need be. I’d much prefer a 3 year deal, but 4 is the likely length.
by toonsterwu on
Aug 21, 2008 12:55 PM CDT
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stand up comedy
for Demp. Or maybe a sitcom. “In the Bullpen”. He could play an aging relief pitcher cracking jokes from the pen.
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by drewishdrewid on
Aug 20, 2008 10:28 PM CDT
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he could be a wonderful commentator
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark
by preachermancubsfan on
Aug 21, 2008 8:14 PM CDT
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maybe he could replace
Corey Provus. :D
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by drewishdrewid on
Aug 21, 2008 9:38 PM CDT
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Does everyone believe Dempster will keep on being this good?
That’s the key question. I’m suspicious that this could be his career year. He was top-notch his first year as a reliever and then not so great after getting a contract.
What that all adds up to is that I’d not be haggling over 2 mill once I’ve decided to give him more than 12 mill. 13 mill, 15, 16, whatever. What I’d be very hesitant to give him is 4 guaranteed years. If you think the Marquis contract looks bad…
I hope the discount Demp gives is that he takes only 3 guaranteed years with a mutual option or an incentive or something for years 4 and/or 5.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on
Aug 20, 2008 8:40 PM CDT
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As much as I like Ryan Dempster I would bet the ranch this is a career year
But I’d still like him back. He is a good pitcher and solid competitor. He makes the Cubs a better team.
by MDBNIU on
Aug 20, 2008 9:23 PM CDT
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You know who would make the Cubs an even better team than Dempster does?
C.C. Sabathia. Or Ben Sheets. If we’re going to overpay for someone, I say we overpay for someone who’s capable of winning a Cy Young.
by Old Style & Ivy on
Aug 20, 2008 9:48 PM CDT
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I agree it is Dempster's career year. But he should still be very solid
for the next couple- obviously a 3 year contract would be a much better option, but I imagine the market for CC and Sheets will be fairly ridiculous and out of control. Unless Sheets’ injuries scare teams off,, and while we already have one Ace with a poor injury record, I would certainly take Sheets at the “right price”. Is there any way he will end up be that low? Doubtful. But if he was in the range of 5/70 or 4/70 (any idea what he would be looking for? probably longer-term is better for him…and worse for us risk-wise). Basically I’d rather overpay the smaller cost (and more below-market cost due to Demp’s relationship w/Cubs) for Dempster, because the more expensive overpayments even if they have a shot at getting us a TRUE 3rd Ace like Sheets, also have a chance at making our financial situation for the next couple years WAY worse in the event of another big injury to Sheets.
by Canseco's Roid Party on
Aug 20, 2008 9:58 PM CDT
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Isn't settling for mediocrity...
…what we’ve been bitching about the Cubs doing for years? Dempster is definitely having a career year, and he’s going to be 32 next year. I honestly believe that even with injury concerns, Sheets and Sabathia are better options.
If you’re looking to save money, have Gaudin, Samardzija and Marshall compete for a starting job. As much as I’m sure Dempster likes playing for the Cubs, he’s not going to do it for less than $15 mil per, and that’s going to get you a guy whose ERA is probably going to be 4.5 next year.
by Old Style & Ivy on
Aug 20, 2008 10:04 PM CDT
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no way we compete for cc or sheets
let’s just stop that talk right now…..the yankees and the dodgers are going to get into a MAJOR bidding war for cc…..his weight will catch up to him in 2 years and he will end up looking like a huge bust…..we don’t want him for the kind of money he commands
same thing with sheets, he will command way too much money for the baggage he brings along (injuries)
we’ve got 2 legit aces, so re-uping for dempster i think is a smart decision….although bcb’ers will rip him for years bc he will make ace money and pitches like a 3 tier guy (see the marquis debates)
by cubswynn on
Aug 21, 2008 8:20 AM CDT
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Don't forget
that whoever signs Sheet or CC is also going to be giving up their first round draft pick to do so. It’s not just the money, its also the cheap player in the future potentially.
by Archie on
Aug 21, 2008 8:39 AM CDT
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This is why...
…the next owner has to be someone willing to spend some serious dough. The Trib backloaded these deals because they knew they would be out from unders them when they really escalated. Now, you have to hope the new owner won’t flinch at getting the payroll to 130-140 mil to keep the ball rolling.
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by MPH73 on Aug 20, 2008 5:15 PM CDT 0 recs
I still think
there will be some serious looks at the Shark as a starter. That would help solve one issue.
by chitownhawkeye on Aug 20, 2008 5:31 PM CDT 0 recs
what's the point?
seriously, the next season is 8 months away . . .
/ sarcasm
// someone is sure to say “let’s not get ahead of ourselves. let’s win TONIGHT and worry about contracts during the offseason . . . " as if FANS "looking ahead” somehow affects the TEAM’S performance
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by joeschmitt on Aug 20, 2008 5:51 PM CDT 0 recs
C'mon Joe, you must have some inside knowledge, working for Fontenot and all....
…or is it Theriot?
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When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on
Aug 20, 2008 10:51 PM CDT
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I don't really agree with dropping Hank White
I think his value is immense as a leader, mentor and good backup catcher.
And I’m not sure on the rest, but its interesting.
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 20, 2008 6:03 PM CDT 0 recs
Way too much to read in my short time to be online here....
but if you are referring to not bringing Henry back….? No way No how. If he is healthy he is the bacjup catcher.
Soon afterwords he has a coaching position from all ive read and heard.
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by Hammer on
Aug 20, 2008 6:47 PM CDT
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if he wants to come back
my guess is that after one world series ring, he will be satisfied and retire….oh wait did i just jinx us? noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
by cubswynn on
Aug 21, 2008 8:22 AM CDT
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My guess is that both Dempster and Wood will be back, unless Hendry is gone. He’s been very loyal to both and I know they both feel very loyal to Hendry.
by cubswin on Aug 20, 2008 6:05 PM CDT 0 recs
I agree
I also don’t see any scenario where Jim Hendry leaves, unless someone (the Yankees possibly, if they fire Cashman) throw a mint at him.
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by Curtain Jerker on
Aug 20, 2008 10:05 PM CDT
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Maybe, I honestly don't know
but I doubt Hank would let a new contract stand between him and firing someone if he had his heart set on it.
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by Curtain Jerker on
Aug 21, 2008 12:56 PM CDT
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Marquis...
I think he will be traded. He was shopped in the offseason. With another year off his contract he should be attractive to someone. Of course, the Cubs will have to eat some of this contract. This leaves his spot open for Shark/Marshall/Hill.
I also disagree about Blanco. He is the perfect backup to Soto.
by PistolPete on Aug 20, 2008 6:07 PM CDT 0 recs
Marquis on one year is definitely movable
but we would likely have to pay a bit to move him. I also think he will be traded, but then, I thought he’d be traded last off-season.
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by DGU on
Aug 20, 2008 8:35 PM CDT
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I'd think paying $2-3M would make him quite movable-
Jarrod Washburn was drawing interest and he is owed $10M next year. And sucks a ton.
by Canseco's Roid Party on
Aug 20, 2008 10:06 PM CDT
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it all depends on how he finishes out the year
if he continues to pitch well (like he has been lately) then he gets traded….i don’t think we get equal value for him either
by cubswynn on
Aug 21, 2008 8:25 AM CDT
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I agree Blanco is a great backup to Soto, and we could do much worse than Hank
but $3M also makes him quite an expensive backup. Although he has hit well for the backup spot this year, so maybe he isn’t too old to have another year of solid play- I guess I was excited about the recent play of Castillo, who is hitting .296/.355/.425 at Tennessee in 179 ABs, and he’s always been awesome with the glove. He is only 21, so I guess he could use a full season in the high minors next year before hitting the bigs, and then come up after Hank is done in 2009.
One thing to consider, and why I’m advocating such an aggressive promotion which would leave us with two relatively young Cs (even if it doesn’t happen until 2010), and having depth at C is always a massively valuable trading chip. We may need that to restock a bit in a few years, when we are older and expensive at several spots. Also we have an additional catcher prospect in Steve Clevenger who showed great OBP skills in Daytona, and apparently the Cubs think Michael Brenly is at least a fringe prospect by sending him to Instructional League.
But due to Hank’s sweet arm tats, I am perfectly fine with him being paid the $3M to backup Soto in 2009.
by Canseco's Roid Party on Aug 20, 2008 6:27 PM CDT 0 recs
We may owe alot,
but this is what we all wanted, our core (starting nine and pitching rotation) locked up for the next 3-5 years. Instead of looking like we owe alot, look at it like this is the calibre team we’ll have for the next half decade.
Can't wait for the Cubs in '08!!!
by fuzzycubfan on Aug 20, 2008 9:19 PM CDT 0 recs
Except
That our first baseman and our third baseman, especially, are rapidly fading. So they’re going to be pretty terrible before the end of their contracts, and we really need to replace one of them sooner than later.
by Old Style & Ivy on
Aug 20, 2008 9:47 PM CDT
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"Rapidly Fading?"
How do you draw that conclusion?
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on
Aug 20, 2008 10:20 PM CDT
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what?
rapidly fading?
I agree with CJ. What are you talking about?
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by drewishdrewid on
Aug 20, 2008 10:30 PM CDT
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So what?
Ramirez: His SLG is down about .50 since last year and he’s on pace for what appears to be less homers than last year (26 in 2007 vs 20 now), which could be a bit alarming and all, except that his Runs Created Per Game is one tenth of a run less (7.2 now vs 7.3 in 2007). This tells us that (in a roundabout way) that he’s still just as productive a hitter this year as last year. How? A better batting eye.
Runs Created per Game, a stat I like more than OPS, is the following: Assume you have a lineup of 9 Aramis Ramirez’s, and you give them 27 outs per game over 162 games. Based on a variety of numbers, that lineup would produce (on average) 7.2 runs per game.
He’s actually a more productive hitter per game this year (RC/G of 7.3), than he was in 2006 (RC/G of 6.9).
Lee: He’s having a down year across the board compared to last year. What’s killing him, however (and I use the term “killing” loosely) isn’t lack of homers, but a much lower OPB.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on
Aug 20, 2008 11:05 PM CDT
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can we recognize that we're an NL team
and defense also counts?
Rami and Lee are both excellent fielders, in addition to what CJ says above.
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by drewishdrewid on
Aug 21, 2008 9:51 AM CDT
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Actually I was surprised to see some metrics yesterday that have
DLee as only slightly above average this year in the field. I do remember now thinking on a couple plays “oh seemed like Lee would usually make that play or make it look easier than he did?” So I am starting to investigate the possibility that he might be declining in the field a bit; although I’m pretty sure his ridiculous pick-ups aren’t considered, as they are accounted for in the throwing player’s stats (Example: ramirez’s arm is a bit erratic, so Lee helps him there a bunch). Basically it seems he’s solidly above average, but not sure if he’s at the elite fielding 1B level he has occupied in the past: or maybe there’s just more top-fielding 1B’s, Pujols has really become top-notch and even Berkman is a big + this year to mention the other awesome NLC 1Bs.
Anyhow just because he’s DLee, I don’t see us trading him really, and he won’t be “terrible” by 2010 by any means. I think we can expect what we get right now or so for the next two years, with maybe a slight dropoff by 2010, which is above average but not much more than that.
by Canseco's Roid Party on
Aug 21, 2008 11:27 AM CDT
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The advanced metrics never had Lee as a fielder with a lot of range
(If I’m recalling this correctly); but don’t take into account how good he is at picking throws in to 1B. So Lee’s rep is for good reason, just not the reasons the zone ratings would pick up (unless there’s some new element to some new zone rating I don’t know – awfully possible).
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on
Aug 21, 2008 12:46 PM CDT
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Ramirez fading?
Whatever you’re smoking, can you share it?
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on
Aug 20, 2008 10:53 PM CDT
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yeah, and I have no idea what he's talking about with Ramirez fading...
he’s having possibly the best year of his career. Yeah if he stays till 2012, he’ll fade and probably quickly when he does- but we should get 2-3 more prime years out of him.
by Canseco's Roid Party on
Aug 21, 2008 11:29 AM CDT
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This is where Cuban comes in
Let’s face it, Cuban is trying to be buddy buddy with the team. He came out for Kerry’s charity bowling with the entire team. I would bet my money he’s spent time in the clubhouse this year more than any other bidder.
If Cuban owns the team he will retain Kerry and Dempster.
by ak123 on Aug 20, 2008 10:20 PM CDT 0 recs
i also think if he is our owner
he maximizes his PR machine and make a HUGE splash and signs someone HUGE
by cubswynn on
Aug 21, 2008 8:26 AM CDT
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My priority list would be
Sign Dempster, 4 years 48M
Sign Wood, 2 years 15M with mutual option,
If they choose to leave, back the Brinks up for CC.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Aug 20, 2008 10:32 PM CDT 0 recs
Wild guess....
Demster sticks with the Cubs for 4 years, $55 million.
Wood sticks with the Cubs for 3 years, $21 million (which will prove mistake)
Sabathia signs with the Yankees for $130 million
Sheets winds up staying with the Brewers for 4 years, $60 million
Texiera signs with the Yankees for $160 million
Neifi comes out of banned substance suspension to sign with the Reds for 5 years, $40 million
Griffey signs with the Mariners for 2 years, $15 million
by MDBNIU on
Aug 20, 2008 10:41 PM CDT
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Ah Neifi...
I might be wrong here, but wasn’t he suspended for grennies while he was serving a suspension for greenies?
What good is taking greenies when you’re not playing baseball? I thought they were a short-term pick-me-up, like Red Bull in a pill form. If that’s the case, why take them when you’re not playing that day?
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on
Aug 20, 2008 11:08 PM CDT
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I believe Neifi actually was taking them for ADHD, and somehow did not
know how to properly get cleared for the medical use. That said, I support the legal form of greenies and credit them for the epic length of some of my posts…when you get started, you just HAVE to finish- concentrating so hard even if it is on baseball and not on work, ha. :)
by Canseco's Roid Party on
Aug 21, 2008 11:55 AM CDT
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Lol
Neifi signs with the Reds — that one cracked me up!
by tom veryzer on
Aug 21, 2008 1:03 PM CDT
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Just a few pointers...
Blanco has a MUTUAL option, though I think he’ll be brought back.
As for Dempster, I think the Cubs will get him locked up before he can officially hit the free agent market. Same with Wood. Hendry has shown that he’ll make sure that guys who need to stay (ARam, Z, and Wood come to mind) do just that… they STAY. Dempster seems to like it in Chicago and I think the Cubs will give him a solid offer to start with 4/40 and perhaps work their way up to something along the lines of 4/48. Either way, I think Dempster takes it.
Wood will get 6-7M a year and he’ll take it, but he’ll probably want a 3yr deal (or longer)
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola
by Ryan at Cubshub on Aug 20, 2008 11:17 PM CDT 0 recs
I'd also guess that Edmonds and Johnson come back...
If the Cubs make the playoffs and DONT win a title… I think Edmonds is too much of a MidWest kind of guy to leave.
Johnson, on the other hand, comes off as distant to the Cubbie Nation, and I can see him leaving for a better offer in the offseason, but we’ll see. If he does bolt, Pie and Edmonds would be a decent tag-team.
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola
by Ryan at Cubshub on
Aug 20, 2008 11:23 PM CDT
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