Pitching? Check. Fielding? Check. Hitting? Not So Much: Cubs 1, Reds 2
This recap of the Cubs' 2-1 loss to the Reds will be almost as short as the game itself (which ran a snappy two hours and twenty-eight minutes).
Ted Lilly took a no-hitter into the sixth inning, and he appeared to have no-hitter stuff; he had walked only one up to that point, and Mark DeRosa had provided an outstanding defensive play, something you often see in no-hitters, snaring Ryan Hanigan's line drive in the 3rd inning that looked like it was headed up the middle for a hit.
The Cubs, meanwhile, had plenty of chances to score over the first four innings -- in those four innings alone they had three hits and four walks, but two double plays ended innings, and so the only run that scored was after an Aramis Ramirez single; he advanced on an infield out, went to third on a wild pitch and scored on a DeRo single.
Still, going into the 6th 1-0 appeared that it might be enough, but Lilly allowed a long double to Hanigan that might, on a day that the wind wasn't blowing in, been a home run; instead it bounced off the CF ivy for a double, and when Lilly struck out Chris Dickerson two batters later, he threw a wild pitch on strike three, allowing Dickerson to reach and Hanigan to go to third, where he scored on a fielder's choice -- another fine play by DeRo. The ball was headed up the middle when DeRo snagged it, but couldn't turn the DP. Had Lilly not thrown that WP, that grounder would have ended the inning.
The Reds' second -- and decisive -- run scored when an Edwin Encarnacion popup dropped just out of reach of Ryan Theriot and Alfonso Soriano in short left. Sitting right behind Soriano, it appeared to me that Sori couldn't have caught up to that ball even if he had gotten a better jump on it (he didn't); it just landed in no-man's-land. Maybe you disagree, but that's how I saw it. Two outs later the Reds had the lead.
The Cubs had only one baserunner after Geovany Soto hit into a double play to end the fourth inning -- Soto drew a two-out walk in the eighth, but Mike Fontenot, batting for Lilly, was called out on strikes. Both Jim Edmonds and DeRo, the last two outs of the game, also took called third's -- that drives me nuts, especially in the ninth inning of a one-run game. All of those pitches appeared too close to take.
Frustrating, infuriating, maddening. But we can take several good things out of even a loss like that: Lilly threw perhaps his best game of the year and if he keeps pitching like that, good things will follow. Neal Cotts and Jeff Samardzija (the subject, along with Kerry Wood and Carlos Marmol, of a feature article in this week's Sports Illustrated) finished up with two scoreless innings of relief, keeping the game close. Cotts threw ten pitches and Samardzija nine, so both should be available today. (Incidentally, I was amused when getting a glance at Olympic men's volleyball, USA vs. Serbia, yesterday and seeing that one of the Serbian player's names was Marko Samardzic, perhaps a distant relative of Jeff's.)
Note: the Cubs are in a bit of a power outage. The last Cub homer was Henry Blanco's in Saturday's loss at Florida, the only run in that game. Daryle Ward and Mark DeRosa homered in last Friday's win; the last homers by any of the major power hitters were by Aramis Ramirez and Alfonso Soriano in Thursday's second game at Atlanta. Actually, it's nice that the Cubs can win without home runs -- but it wouldn't hurt to have one, or more, every now and then.
Can't win 'em all. Win today and win the series, and as Lou has said, that's the goal for the rest of the season. The pregame thread will be up at 11:30 am CT.
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"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Aug 21, 2008 8:10 AM CDT
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Optimism has a name
and it’s Josh Fogg. We should be able to win the series today. If we win most series from here on out, we’ll be fine.
That said, fwhere I was sitting close to third base, it actually looked like Theriot should have gotten that ball into left field. He hung his head a bit on the way back to his position which indicated to me he thought he should have had it.
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by SouthsideCub on
Aug 21, 2008 8:16 AM CDT
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Theriot just missed it.
But that’s really the left fielder’s ball IF he can get to it. Still not sure if Sori got a late jump or whether he couldn’t have gotten to it anyway.
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by Al on
Aug 21, 2008 8:19 AM CDT
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Soriano trotted....
to that ball – he assumed Theriot was going to catch it. Just an AWFUL play by Soriano.
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by HIGGY on
Aug 21, 2008 8:22 AM CDT
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I agree that it's Soriano's ball to catch
but from my angle, it looked like Ryan could and should have caught. That play didn’t decide the game though, and it’s hard to be angry about a team that’s playing this well.
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by SouthsideCub on
Aug 21, 2008 8:23 AM CDT
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Soriano...
… didn’t get ANY jump.
He casually jogged toward the play, and made no real effort to get to the ball.
I think Soriano gets a bad rap for his defense, but that play was just plain awful effort from Soriano.
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by big_lowitzki on
Aug 21, 2008 8:47 AM CDT
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I'll take your word for it.
I didn’t see Sori start after the ball, only try to pick up speed later. Theriot JUST missed it.
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by Al on
Aug 21, 2008 8:50 AM CDT
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Pat and Ron DIDN'T think Sori could have gotten it... "even with a better jump" (Ron said)
Pat did sound bummed that Riot wasn’t able to catch it though.
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by Fishbone2 on
Aug 21, 2008 8:52 AM CDT
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FWIW
Wittenmeyer and Rozner both thought Soriano should have gotten there.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on
Aug 21, 2008 9:01 AM CDT
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I'm Done....
complaining about Soriano. Everyone wants to make excuses for him because of his offense. Fine, I guess it is just too much to ask for someone getting paid millions to play the game the right way. I guess we should just accept his offensive production and be happy.
by graceunderpressure on
Aug 21, 2008 9:26 AM CDT
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I agree. He doesn't come across as playing the game very hard.
Maybe I’m wrong. That’s just the way I see it.
No sense in complaining about him. He’s a good ball player, and seems to carry the team when he’s “on”.
Let Sori be Sori.
by zevkalman on
Aug 21, 2008 9:57 AM CDT
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Just go ahead and say it...
…your problem with him isn’t with his play, it’s with the fact that he makes a lot of money.
by Old Style & Ivy on
Aug 21, 2008 10:42 AM CDT
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Our Two Weakest Defenders
Theriot and Soriano aren’t Larry Bowa and Gary Matthews in the field. Sori and The Riot have gotten better defensively as they season has progressed, but they are still not good defensively. Sori may be gun shy going after balls aggressively with the injury problems he has had. Theriot’s really a second baseman. You can’t teach confidence. Sori lacks it in left field. Theriot may feel more pressure than he should to catch balls in short left field because of Sori’s defensive deficiencies.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on
Aug 21, 2008 8:48 AM CDT
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I think Soriano could have gotten there...
but, hindsight is 20/20, and the fact of the matter was that a bloop double didn’t cost the Cubs the game. A lack of hitting with runners on base kept them from getting Arroyo out of the game early.
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by Trey2317 on
Aug 21, 2008 9:10 AM CDT
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Right on...
…we should all know by now, that Soriano is not a guy who guys full bore all the time. He does it out of the box, on the bases and in the field. I am not trying to pile on the guy, but that is just who he is as a player.
Regarding last nights game, I would have liked to have seen Lou put the runners in motion a time or two to stay out of the double play. Can’t get too picky with this stuff, but was a little surprised Lou didn’t do that.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Aug 21, 2008 10:07 AM CDT
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I thought Lou
would get them moving in the 3rd, when Ramirez hit into the DP. With Soriano and Lee on, the K+DP would have been tough to get, IMO.
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by Trey2317 on
Aug 21, 2008 10:44 AM CDT
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I think it's really hard for any of us...
…to say definitively whether Soriano – or Theriot for that matter – could have caught the ball. I was watching the game on TV and, from my perspective, it appeared that, had Soriano run full out and dove, he maybe (MAYBE) could have made a spectacular catch.
Of course, he would have also put himself and Theriot at risk of a crippling collision as well. Same thing for Theriot – had he run at full speed and took the absolutely most perfect route, he possibly (POSSIBLY) could have made a stunning over-the-shoulder, Web gem type of play.
Could Soriano have run harder? Yeah, he probably could – and should – have. But it looked to me like the ball was tailing away from him and he honestly thought that Theriot had the best shot at a play. Soriano haters – go ahead and take this opportunity to vent. I know you will anyway. To me, it was just a very tough play that very few shortstops or left fielders could have made.
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by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 21, 2008 9:39 AM CDT
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The Catch 22 is
if Sori does run full speed and lays out to make the catch, people complain that he shouldn’t be putting himself in dangerous situations when, ultimately, that play didn’t lose the game for us.
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by neverAcquiesce on
Aug 21, 2008 10:00 AM CDT
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The loss
was frustrating in that Lilly pitched so well, but so did Arroyo, who seems to rise to the occassion against the Cubs. The Cubs really could use some more power production from Lee. It has been so long since he has homered consistently, the thought never really even occurs when he’s at bat lately. Also, doubles power out of Fukudome, let alone singles, has all but disappeared. Alas, the Cubs are still playing great ball, and said players have a month to find their strokes. Let’s go beat up on Fogg today, and get Big Z back on track.
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by Slakkr on
Aug 21, 2008 8:18 AM CDT
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I hate
Seeing games like this. This team should be getting more runs then that. I know it happens sometimes to every good hitting team. It just seems like sometimes when we have a bad game like that it carries over. Let’s hope that it doesn’t this time, since they have been playing such good baseball as of late.
by huskercubby on
Aug 21, 2008 8:19 AM CDT
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Good thing then when
it seems like sometimes to you when they have a bad game it really does not carry over. Go back and look at the games they’ve played and you’ll see it doesn’t. The most games they’ve lost in a row is 4 and that only happened once.
by sue369 on
Aug 21, 2008 10:44 AM CDT
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We're even I guess
Harden just barely outpitched Cueto and we won, now Arroyo just barely outpitched Lilly and they wont. I have faith the Cubs couldnt really sleep last night and will come out and put some crooked numbers on the board today.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on
Aug 21, 2008 8:22 AM CDT
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huh?
Harden pitched MUCH better than Cueto.
Cueto gave up 4 hits, 2 BB’s, and 2 HBP and had 6 k’s in 7 innings.
Harden gave up 2 hits, 0 BBs, and had 10 k’s in 7 innings.
That would be 8 base runners allowed compared to 2.
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by big_lowitzki on
Aug 21, 2008 8:49 AM CDT
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True.
However, I think his point is correct. Cubs bats have been sleepy this homestand (except for the 8th inning on Tuesday). Hopefully the day game will wake them up.
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by Al on
Aug 21, 2008 8:51 AM CDT
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2 Big Innings Last 3 Games
The Cubs have scored a total of 15 runs in the last 3 games. 8 of those runs came in the 7th inning against the Marlins on Sunday. I loved that 8-run inning AGAINST Florida. 4 more runs came in the 8th on Tuesday. Runs can certainly come in fits and starts.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on
Aug 21, 2008 9:11 AM CDT
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maybe somewhere in between
It seemed like “barely” to me because the only run scored was on the heads up baserunning by Soto, otherwise on most nights, Cueto’s pitching would have been good enough to win. Same with Harden. You got me on the 6 extra baserunners though if you want to get technical.
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by tony412 on
Aug 21, 2008 8:54 AM CDT
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well...
… it isn’t being technical.
I would say that the quality of how someone pitches isn’t solely seen in runs allowed. Cueto was good. Harden was flat-out dominating.
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by big_lowitzki on
Aug 21, 2008 9:41 AM CDT
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Z to right the ship today
Z should relax and getting things right against the free swinging Reds. This should serve as a spring board for the final push. He should get at least 7 starts and make a push toward 20 wins, an outside chance I know, but something to push for. No time like the present. Let’s win the next two before the Brewers even play a game to keep the pressure on!
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by mrcubsfan on
Aug 21, 2008 8:23 AM CDT
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Arroyo just seems to have the
Cubs number. His pitching style seems to always give the team fits. He throws a lot of off-speed junk and rarely challenges even the weakest hitters. He seems to suck against everyone else but manages to beat us on a regular basis. I’ll bet his record is pretty good against us.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Aug 21, 2008 8:27 AM CDT
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Totally agree.
Give Arroyo some credit – he appeared to be completely on his game last night. It seemed like everything he threw was headed right down the middle of the plate – until the very last second, when the ball unfailingly tailed away off the outside corner. I felt sure that the Cubs would wear him down eventually; he did walk five and threw 115 pitches total. But that just never happened. And Weathers and Cordero may not be world beaters, but they are tried-and-true late inning relievers. Let’s hope the Cubs bats can resurge against Fogg today.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 21, 2008 9:44 AM CDT
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Not to mention
he even homered a couple times against the Cubs and Glendon Rusch, if I remember correctly.
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by Slakkr on
Aug 21, 2008 8:28 AM CDT
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Who didn't
homer against Glendon Rusch that year, though?
by Archie on
Aug 21, 2008 8:28 AM CDT
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We used to call him Gopher-ball Glendon.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Aug 21, 2008 8:39 AM CDT
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Not much to say other than,
a couple more timely hits and they win this game. what can you do other than go out and get ’em today.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on
Aug 21, 2008 8:33 AM CDT
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always trying to look at the positives
what do “they” say wins in the playoffs? pitching and we have been unbelievable lately…..the bats will come around, there is a reason why we have a +170 run differential (easily the tops in the bigs, next closest is chisox/bosox at +117)
by cubswynn on
Aug 21, 2008 8:38 AM CDT
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yup
Cubs have 2nd best pitching staff ERA in the NL @ 3.73 behing the Dodgers @ 3.66. Next best is 3.90 by the Brewers.
Another intersting nugget….. In day games our ERA is 4.09 while in night games it’s an MLB best 3.39! I know we talked a bit yesterday about night playoff games.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on
Aug 21, 2008 8:48 AM CDT
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More night games, please!
After listening to Harden the other night talking about his preference to pitch night games, I can now count a handful of Cubs (and Santo has mentioned it a couple times) this year that have made apparent their desire for more night games, most notably for those day games the day after an away night game.
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on
Aug 21, 2008 9:50 AM CDT
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I believe "they" say, "Pitching is king."
I’d prefer not to name names, though.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 21, 2008 9:45 AM CDT
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hahahahahaha
Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Aug 21, 2008 10:00 AM CDT
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You Know........
I would have been perfectly fine skipping this recap and starting off the morning with today’s pregame thread. 11:30 feels so far away.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on
Aug 21, 2008 8:43 AM CDT
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Feel the exact same way...
there just isn’t much to talk about with this game.
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by Fishbone2 on
Aug 21, 2008 8:46 AM CDT
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Arroyo irritates me,
and I don’t know why. I don’t think he was even mentioned in the recap and for that I am thankful. Enough about him.
I like how the Cubs don’t rely so heavily on the long ball like the south siders, but it would be nice to see Aram and DLee hit them more consistently, where has their power gone? I mean Dero is only 3 short of DLee.
Should be a day for Z to turn it around. I’m sure a lot of people saw Z and Geo at Humboldt Park for the mini Cubs field, isn’t there one somewhere off of Ashland already?
Lets do it Cubbies
by slocs55 on
Aug 21, 2008 8:49 AM CDT
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There are some baseball fields...
… dedicated to Cub players at Hamlin Park, at Damen & Wrightwood; is that the one you’re thinking of?
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by Al on
Aug 21, 2008 8:52 AM CDT
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Whoops.
That’s Damen & WELLINGTON, not Wrightwood.
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by Al on
Aug 21, 2008 8:52 AM CDT
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I know those parks,
I live just south on Damen from those parks and was actually there Tuesday night for an open gym.
I am going to look for it, I know I have seen it before.
My roommate and I were talking and he was telling about the field in Freeport, which looks awesome. Check it out.
http://www.littlecubsfield.com/
Lets do it Cubbies
by slocs55 on
Aug 21, 2008 9:05 AM CDT
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I've heard about that place before.
Looks pretty cool, all right.
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by Al on
Aug 21, 2008 9:45 AM CDT
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arroyo threw a ball to me
before the cubs/bosox game a couple years ago……thinking back on it, i wish i would have thrown it back haha
by cubswynn on
Aug 21, 2008 8:53 AM CDT
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OT: Instant Replay
Umpires and MLB have signed an agreement on using replay, however no start date has been set. Definitely looking more like this year will be the case after all.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on
Aug 21, 2008 9:00 AM CDT
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I suggest reading
the article on Samardzija, good stuff. I liked hearing Ankiel say Marmol’s slider and fastball look exactly the same coming out of his hand. I was talking to my step-dad about it yesterday, when Wood and Marmol are on, it’s just unfair to be a hitter.
Lets do it Cubbies
by slocs55 on
Aug 21, 2008 9:07 AM CDT
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The thing that concerns me is
these are the kind of games that you have to find a way to win.
These are typical playoff type games, low scoring one or two run games where little things cost you. You are not going to win them all.
Dero made great plays no question, but the wild pitch, the Theriot/Sori ball, the called 3rd strikes to end a game. Its that kind of stuff that you dont want to see a pattern of this late in the season.
Hopefully, being in some of these, even losing some of them can only help down the stretch.
Let go cubs
by cubsfaninkc on
Aug 21, 2008 9:08 AM CDT
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28 over .500
the Cubs have won plenty of close and come from behind games this year. I wouldn’t worry at all. My only concern is the Cubs don’t peak too early. Recently the hottest team going into the playoffs often win or at least make it to the Series.
Lets do it Cubbies
by slocs55 on
Aug 21, 2008 9:12 AM CDT
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I wouldnt say there's a pattern
but I agree, the close games hurt a litle more. Four of the five losses this month have been by 3 runs or less.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on
Aug 21, 2008 9:13 AM CDT
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Close Games
I agree. If anything, I think the close losses are a reflection of how well the Cubs are playing. They are in every game and even when they lose, we can usually point to two or three plays that could have turned things the other way. Since the all-star break, the Cubs have lost only 2 games by more than 3 runs. As a point of comparison, during the same stretch, the Brewers and Mets have lost 5 by more than 3 and the Phillies, Cardinals, D-Backs and Marlins have each lost 4 by more than 3.
31/31/28
by Born Again Cubs Fan on
Aug 21, 2008 9:45 AM CDT
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Yes, Len Kasper said something to this effect...
…last night. The Cubs record in one-run games is 17-19 – that’s not great bu,t as Al just pointed out, they have 36 come-from-behind wins. And they’ve been blown out very rarely. There’s something to be said for getting great pitching and keeping games close.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 21, 2008 9:49 AM CDT
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What are other teams' one-run records this year?
Say, Milwaukee’s or St. Louis’?
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by Al on
Aug 21, 2008 9:50 AM CDT
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As fate would have it...
…I have the Tribune sports section open on my desk right now. Milwaukee is currently 24-11 in one-run games, and St. Louis is 21-22.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 21, 2008 9:52 AM CDT
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and that is why stl is behind......
….but don’t talk to anyone about one run loses until you’ve talked to the braves lol
by cubswynn on
Aug 21, 2008 9:55 AM CDT
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Atlanta
is 6-24 in 1-run games this year. wow.
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Aug 21, 2008 9:56 AM CDT
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Wow...
… wouldn’t have guessed the Brewers were that good in 1-run games. How many of those wins are home wins in the bottom of the 9th?
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by Al on
Aug 21, 2008 9:58 AM CDT
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And..
they are 10-8 when tied after 8, so they could have as many as 13 in the bottom of the 9th, but that’s doubtful.
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Aug 21, 2008 10:01 AM CDT
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Breaking it down further...
Milwaukee has entered the 9th inning tied 18 times this year. 5 times they won the game in the 9th, 6 times they’ve won in the 10th, and they’ve won a game apiece when tied entering the 11th, 12th and 13th innings.
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by Trey2317 on
Aug 21, 2008 10:12 AM CDT
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By my count...
the Brewers have won 7 one-run games in the bottom of the ninth or an extra inning home game. Another 3 of their one-run wins were games in which the Brewers had a bigger lead and the pen gave up runs in the 8th or 9th to make the game closer. Remarkably, the Brewers have had 11 one-run wins in which they’ve scored the winning runs in their last at-bat (bottom of the eighth at home or top of the ninth/extra innning on the road) and shut down the opposing team in the next half innning.
31/31/28
by Born Again Cubs Fan on
Aug 21, 2008 10:33 AM CDT
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thanks for breaking it down even more
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by Trey2317 on
Aug 21, 2008 10:36 AM CDT
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One-Run Games
Moreover, Cubs have the highest percentage of their losses (38.8) accounted for by 1-run losses in the league (second only to Toronto – 39.3). Clearly, this is inference one can make by looking at run differential but when Cubs win, they often win big. When Cubs lose, it’s often a nailbiter.
31/31/28
by Born Again Cubs Fan on
Aug 21, 2008 9:56 AM CDT
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yah i pointed this out earlier
but they have a +170 run differential
next closest is +117 by the chisox/bosox
is. impressive.
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Aug 21, 2008 9:59 AM CDT
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Yes, losing this game hurt.
But it will nearly be forgotten if we win today. Winning series is what matters; you can’t expect to sweep even 25% of your series’, even against teams like the Reds.
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by neverAcquiesce on
Aug 21, 2008 10:07 AM CDT
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I listened to a couple of the middle innings
on the internet and felt the Cubs would win this, even being down 2-1. When I got home from my errands and saw on the ESPN crawl that 2-1 was the final score and knew that Arroyo was pitching, I said to myself “the beat goes on.” That guy just kills us.
Win today and mission accomplished for this series. The loss last night does not derail us from winning the division. Even if we play .500 ball the rest of the way, Milwaukee has to play nearly .650 to catch us. We play 2 over the rest of the year, Brewers have to play over .700 ball. No worries.
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by BigJohnAZ on
Aug 21, 2008 9:15 AM CDT
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Even with the Sabathia effect
Brewers are only playing .605 ball since he joined them. Not exactly setting the world on fire. We’ve played at a .639 clip during the same time.
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by BigJohnAZ on
Aug 21, 2008 9:21 AM CDT
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Not the most aesthetically pleasing game
…we’ve seen in awhile, but so be it. It’s nice to see Lilly pitch a strong game though, as he’s looked somewhat pedestrian at times this season. Looking forward to the playoffs, (always a dangerous proposition) we could all maybe take some solace in the fact that if Lilly can string together a couple more outings like this together, then we could conceivably have a four headed monster going into an NLDS series. With Zambrano (who, actually, hasn’t quite looked himself as of late,) Harden, Dempster and Lilly, we’ll have a pretty formidable starting rotation going in. One game shouldn’t cause us to wring our hands too much. If Zambrano can straighten things out today, I’ll feel much encouraged. Let’s get a win today, Cubbies.
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by OmahaCub on
Aug 21, 2008 9:19 AM CDT
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I comfort myself
by thinking about how many teams in MLB Ted Lilly would be the ace of the staff on. There are probably 8-10. Here, he is the number 4!
by Archie on
Aug 21, 2008 9:34 AM CDT
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Arroyo's Numbers
Since everyone seems to believe that Arroyo kills the Cubs, here are his splits:
In 17 games (15 starts), Bronson is 6-6 with a 3.29 ERA, 66 K and 27 BB. His ERA is his best against teams in which he has started against 4 or more times.
At Wrigley, he is 4-3 in 9 games (8 starts), with a 3.88 ERA, 33 K and 17 BB. His ERA at Wrigley is the second-best in his career at parks in which he has made 3 or more starts.
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by Trey2317 on
Aug 21, 2008 9:23 AM CDT
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In retrospect
I guess he doesn’t “kill” us as I said, but the perception with me is we seem to always have trouble with him, especially at the Friendly Confines.
Hopefully, the boys will be driving in runs today. In today’s style of game, how many 1-0 shutouts are there anymore? We knew that 1-0 wouldn’t be the final score. 2 or 3 plays that went Cincy’s way determined the outcome last night. That’s baseball.
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by BigJohnAZ on
Aug 21, 2008 9:32 AM CDT
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exactly.
it’s baseball. sometimes the blind squirrel with shoulder-length hair finds a nut. it’d be nice if the cubs found a way to score some runs early and often today.
but arroyo has pitched well against the cubs – those numbers are better than his career averages.
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by Trey2317 on
Aug 21, 2008 9:35 AM CDT
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Thankfully
he doesn’t have Randy Johnson numbers against us lol
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by BigJohnAZ on
Aug 21, 2008 9:36 AM CDT
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Your second sentence brings to mind...
…the following mangled metaphor in this Gordon Wittenmyer article in today’s Sun-Times:
…it was a reminder of how even a blind squirrel can steal a nut once in a while from the big dog.
So dogs are collecting nuts nowadays? I tell ya, it’s anarchy out there.
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by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 21, 2008 9:55 AM CDT
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thankfully i missed Gordon's article today.
or else I would have been seriously confused when writing.
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by Trey2317 on
Aug 21, 2008 9:57 AM CDT
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That dog in Stand by Me sure loved nuts.
Or so the rumor went.
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by neverAcquiesce on
Aug 21, 2008 10:29 AM CDT
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And a nod is a good as a wink to a blind horse...
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by Zeke on
Aug 21, 2008 10:55 AM CDT
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And a nod is AS good as a wink to a blind horse...
spell check, spell check…
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by Zeke on
Aug 21, 2008 10:56 AM CDT
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The Faces were a great band.
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by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 21, 2008 11:04 AM CDT
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Hm, yeah...
…those numbers aren’t overwhelming, though they are fairly solid.
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by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 21, 2008 9:51 AM CDT
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Someone last night called the offense bipolar
I think this is a great descriptor of the Cubs offense and the only true concern I have outside of injuries of course. We saw the Cubs go cold last year in the playoffs and we have seen stretches this year of the same. Sure offense is a streaky thing, but it does scare me, and I hate to see great pitching wasted.
by graceunderpressure on
Aug 21, 2008 9:24 AM CDT
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Sori is a dog
but he’s our dog. He’s a defensive liability, and his approach at the plate is awful. Swung at the FIRST PITCH from the relief pitcher, Weathers, which would have been ball 1.
My fear is that the rest of the team relies too much on the feeling that Soriano only needs to get hot and will carry the team. Which he can and probably will. But when he’s bad, he’s real bad. At least DLee and Ramirez aren’t defensive liabilities, even when they aren’t hitting. Not to mention Dome.
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Aug 21, 2008 9:26 AM CDT
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Let Fuku sit for awhile
Runners on first and third, no outs, Fuku comes up and hits a lazy fly ball?
That is a spot where all you have to do is hit it on the ground somewhere and score a run. I was a believer up until that. He is just getting maddening at this point. He does play a mean right field I understand this. But, I would sit him for a few games and let him think about it. This maybe a emotional post just based on the frustration of last nights game.
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Aug 21, 2008 9:32 AM CDT
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As I mentioned earlier
I didn’t see the game and only caught a couple of middle innings on the internet, but do you think that Fukudome is just dog tired, physically and mentally?
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by BigJohnAZ on
Aug 21, 2008 9:38 AM CDT
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He certainly looks like it
Fukudome almost looks exasperated; likely he’s never been in a slump this prolonged before. Here is a question for those of you who regularly attend batting practice at Wrigley. Does he appear to hit the ball squarely in BP? I went to both day’s of BP in Atl. and thought that he hit very weakly even in BP there. Small sample size/ just wondering?
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by Slakkr on
Aug 21, 2008 9:45 AM CDT
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My guess on Dome...
…is that his confidence has taken a big hit in the second half of this season, and he’s just looking for way to get it back. From my perspective, he just doesn’t seem as confident at the plate as he did early in the season. (Or am I just projecting my own anxieties about his hitting on him?)
He did have a good game on Tuesday night – 1 for 3 with a walk and two RBI (very Dome), and he showed some great defense last night. But his saga wears on – I think Lou should stick with him.
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by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 21, 2008 10:03 AM CDT
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You'd have to be made of steel
for this not to impact your confidence.
by graceunderpressure on
Aug 21, 2008 10:04 AM CDT
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I think he is fried...
…and would like to see him get 3-4 straight days to clear his head.
I understand that the pitchers have adjusted to him some, but his decision making at the plate has taken a huge turn downward regardless of what they throw him. To me, that says he is mentally toast.
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by MPH73 on
Aug 21, 2008 10:12 AM CDT
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A few signs
His swing has gotten different from the beginning of the year. At the beginning of the year his swing didnt seem out of control like it does now. Even at the start of the year he would “Bugs Bunny” some swings. This is what I call it when he spins around. I take that to mean that he doesn’t have the strength to stop himself (or doesn’t want to). Either way it is out of control.
Second, his swing has dipped a lot since the start of the season. It is no longer level and with quick wrists. It has turned into a lot more arms and it is more uppercutting than earlier. I think the way that he swings his wrists are the most important part. They dont have the whip that they did.
Couple that to him getting used to the American way of life and the culture and there is a lot of pressure.
by jajonez77 on
Aug 21, 2008 9:48 AM CDT
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It is what it is
Sori is a millionare Dog……. but like somebody said he is our Dog….. Fuku is dazed and
confused…… Z had 2 bad outings …… I hope what I heard from him and Larry is the answer……………… We are 77 – 49 not 49 – 79 it is what it is….and Thats GOOD !
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Aug 21, 2008 9:53 AM CDT
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to me dog sounds so harsh
i wouldn’t say he’s lazy, but he does lack something in the outfield……natural instincts maybe?
by cubswynn on
Aug 21, 2008 9:57 AM CDT
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I swear this is my last comment on Sori....
I understand he isn’t Willy Mays out there, but everything he lacks defensively would at least LOOK better if he just played the game the right way. Just run hard, that is all, dive back to first hard. When he has been getting picked off it isn’t because of anything other than lolly gagging. Just play hard and no one will say a damn word.
by graceunderpressure on
Aug 21, 2008 10:02 AM CDT
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Theriot makes as many bone-headed plays (getting picked off, etc...)
but since he “plays the game hard” doesn’t get criticized like Sori does- at least not criticized for a lack of effort…How can you differentiate between the two?
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Aug 21, 2008 10:05 AM CDT
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i dunno, he's gotten ripped on here a lot lately
by cubswynn on
Aug 21, 2008 10:06 AM CDT
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Theriot?
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Aug 21, 2008 10:07 AM CDT
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I agree.
But I think that because he “hustles” he comes under a lot less duress than Soriano does. Theriot gets picked off, a lot of people say, “Eh, it’s ok, he’s scrappy. He was just trying to make something happen.” Sori gets picked off, it’s, “That hot-dog needs to earn his paycheck!!!”
How is that fair?
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Aug 21, 2008 10:12 AM CDT
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Ok, I can't stand the "scrappy guy" either
When I played college ball, I hated the scrappy, hustle guy. But I’d take that any day over the “to cool for school guy” . Both are hard to deal with, but when I’m watching millionaires act above it all, it drives me nuts. I guess the answer to your question is, it is the same thing or the same outcome, one just looks far worse.
by graceunderpressure on
Aug 21, 2008 10:11 AM CDT
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But why is Teriot classified as 'scrappy'
and Soriano as ‘too cool for school’ when they are making the same mistakes? Just because Soriano is more talented???
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Aug 21, 2008 10:13 AM CDT
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It is perception
at least I can feel better about Theriot because it looks like he cares. I think we agree right?
by graceunderpressure on
Aug 21, 2008 10:14 AM CDT
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Again, I think Soriano appears to care a lot.
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by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 21, 2008 10:15 AM CDT
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No, because that implies
That Sori doesn’t look like he cares, and I don’t agree with that.
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Aug 21, 2008 10:16 AM CDT
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I guess I just see him differently...
…because I think Soriano does play hard. He’s just prone to misjudgements that, for one reason or another, make him look bad. And because of his star status and the number of zeros on his paycheck, he gets subject to harsher criticism than other players.
The way I see it, he’ll never be the type of sound, fundamental player that many baseball fans insist every player be. But that’s something I can accept given his tremendous upside.
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by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 21, 2008 10:09 AM CDT
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If that was game one of the playoffs...
last night, would your response be any different? This crap will burn the Cubs one of these days, and his tremendous upside won’t be a thing.
by graceunderpressure on
Aug 21, 2008 10:13 AM CDT
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"This crap" ???
What, being aggressive against a mediocre reliever, and not getting to a ball that after you watch on replay a dozen times, you think he could have gotten to? Let’s not forget that he is coming back from injuries that no one thought he would bounce back from as quickly as he did, how can you fault him for not exploding to a ball on a cool night, that he might not have gotten to anyways?
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Aug 21, 2008 10:15 AM CDT
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We see it different, that is cool
by graceunderpressure on
Aug 21, 2008 10:17 AM CDT
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oh, another thought
I’m the first one to get excited when Sori goes on one of his wild home run sprees and completely carries this team, and we are better with him, we COULD be even better if he wouldn’t give back a few runs here and there because of what I am talking about
by graceunderpressure on
Aug 21, 2008 10:20 AM CDT
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Same could be said for every player...
…not the carrying the team part, just the giving back runs part. Because everyone does that. It’s part of the game.
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Aug 21, 2008 10:22 AM CDT
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you know....
your logic and reason could wear my arguement down over time.
by graceunderpressure on
Aug 21, 2008 10:24 AM CDT
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I'm just saying
that he is an easy scapegoat, because of his salary, and he comes under fire for a lot of stuff that other players don’t…I guess that comes with the territory though, and comes with being richer than God…Right? :)
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Aug 21, 2008 10:28 AM CDT
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that's a good point too
i don’t like to bash players when they are playing well (theriot/sori) and the teams winning, but i guess when you get paid like a superstar (sori) you should have to answer more to criticism…..i’ve never thought about it like that
i’m still going to defend the guy though
by cubswynn on
Aug 21, 2008 10:30 AM CDT
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it's all relative
sori makes a ridiculous amount of money and it’s hard for anyone to live up to that kind of money
by cubswynn on
Aug 21, 2008 10:26 AM CDT
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he doesn't have the natural instincts of an outfielder
i will admit that….
as a former outfield i can tell you there are natural instincts that can’t be taught….for instance good outfielders can start to make a break on the ball before it is even hit (depending on if the batter is ahead of the ball, behind the ball, etc…)
unfortunately he doesn’t have it, but his bat and great arm make up for it
by cubswynn on
Aug 21, 2008 10:19 AM CDT
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That's an interesting question.
I guess, were it a playoff game, I probably would have been more angry at Soriano for not trying harder for Encarnacion’s bloop. But, after having some time to cool down and review the play objectively, I think I’d come to the same conclusion: It was a soft flyball in no-man’s land that few, if any, left fielders could have gotten to without a virtually superhuman effort and a large dose of luck.
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by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 21, 2008 10:21 AM CDT
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Haha.
And SOME LF’s, like Adam Dunn, wouldn’t have even made it within 20 feet of it, and then we wouldn’t be having this conversation at all.
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Aug 21, 2008 10:23 AM CDT
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+1
Just what I was trying to say…
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Aug 21, 2008 10:14 AM CDT
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amen
that’s why you are the man dat
by cubswynn on
Aug 21, 2008 10:14 AM CDT
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aw, thanks!
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by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 21, 2008 10:22 AM CDT
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Sori got into the Major Leagues
because of his bat, right? He was never considered a stellar glove man. All we can ask is that he plays hard, uses his noggin once in a while and play to his offensive potential. If our coaches can help him improve in LF, that’s a bonus for us. Just like Adam Dunn, you get what you get – home runs, walks and strike outs. He isn’t playing RF because he’s a Gold Glover.
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by BigJohnAZ on
Aug 21, 2008 10:53 AM CDT
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no,
he gets picked off because he’s been able to steal lately, and teams are noticing it.
He’s easily the fastest runner and best hitter on the team. It’s amazing that people seem to think that Riot is somehow more valuable.
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by drewishdrewid on
Aug 21, 2008 10:22 AM CDT
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Amen.
Technical balk on Ryan Theriot.
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Aug 21, 2008 10:23 AM CDT
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Did you guys
add that to the BCB dictionary yet?
Go ahead, Z me.
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Aug 21, 2008 10:24 AM CDT
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I'll do it.
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by drewishdrewid on
Aug 21, 2008 10:25 AM CDT
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comments are closed for the dictionary
AL! CAN YOU OPEN UP COMMENTS FOR THE BCB DICTIONARY, PLEASE?
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by drewishdrewid on
Aug 21, 2008 10:27 AM CDT
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That's an automatic base for the opposing team...
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on
Aug 21, 2008 10:24 AM CDT
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Theriot has to play witih one shoe today...
…Making his scrappiness levels climb to an all-time high…
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Aug 21, 2008 10:28 AM CDT
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Right, and because of his DL stints...
…he hasn’t had much opportunity to get into his basestealing rhythm. I think he’s trying to do that and just hitting some bumps in the road.
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by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 21, 2008 10:24 AM CDT
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soriano- that damn tarbox!
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on
Aug 21, 2008 10:27 AM CDT
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shhhh!!!
The troll will slither out from under his rock! (Did I just mix a metaphor?)
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by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 21, 2008 10:28 AM CDT
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I agree...
…that saying Theriot helps the Cubs win more than Soriano is a little crazy.
With that said, they are completely different players that can impact your perception of their effort level. Soriano is loaded with natural talent and things come easier for him and that allows him to be a guy who doesn’t appear to hustle all the time.
Regards to getting picked off, Soriano has good speed (when he lets it go), but he is not a very good baserunner. In fact, Theriot is not a very good baserunner either, as he tends to make some bad decisions that a good baserunner wouldn’t do. In fact, although the Cubs have some speed, they aren’t blessed with guys who have good baserunning instincts. I would say Reed Johnson is probably their best decision maker on the bases.
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by MPH73 on
Aug 21, 2008 10:28 AM CDT
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Or Zambrano.
Ha. That was a joke. Kind of.
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Aug 21, 2008 10:29 AM CDT
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Josh Fogg
will be the Cubs bi**ch this afternoon.
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by Canadian Cubs Fan on
Aug 21, 2008 10:21 AM CDT
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Sublimely stated.
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by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 21, 2008 10:22 AM CDT
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+asterisk
"Years of academy training, wasted"--Buzz Lightyear (not a flying toy)
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Aug 21, 2008 10:26 AM CDT
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Hey, I'm tired of Sori and The Riot what about this...
Sometimes after a loss, some people freak out (never myself) and others give them hell for panicking. Is this pseudo confidence, because who out there in Cub world isn’t scared of blowing this thing? I mean, we are Cubs fans, isn’t this part of the make up.
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Aug 21, 2008 10:28 AM CDT
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Truth.
I think we freak out though, because we know what this team can do…The fact that they have made so many improbable things look easy this year makes nights like last night all the more frustrating…
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Aug 21, 2008 10:31 AM CDT
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and we are losers with too much time on our hands
so we need something to discuss haha
by cubswynn on
Aug 21, 2008 10:31 AM CDT
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Also truth.
haha.
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Aug 21, 2008 10:36 AM CDT
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Of course, I worry about the worst coming to pass...
…but I would guess fans of just about every other team in the major leagues (aside from the Angels, of course) feel the same way right now. I don’t think there’s any reason to panic after a loss like last night’s.
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by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 21, 2008 10:31 AM CDT
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+1
it’s baseball. teams lose games. we’re all fortunate to be fans of a team that is 77-49.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on
Aug 21, 2008 10:33 AM CDT
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It has to be different....
It has been so long for us…is isn’t like watching Yankees fans biting their nails during game of the World Series . I just want to say, “um, you’ll probably be back next year don’t sweat it.”
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Aug 21, 2008 10:34 AM CDT
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Well, I guess it depends on...
…how long and how closely one has followed the team. I’m 38 – I grew up a huge Cubs (and baseball) fan but my interest lapsed during my high school and college years. It really wasn’t until the Cubs made the playoffs in ’03 that my passion began to be revived to its current state.
I’m well aware of the Cubs history, but I like to think that this is a different type of team – and organization – than those of the past. That’s no guarantee the Cubs will win it all, but I’m trying to take it a game at a time and stay optimistic as long as I have plenty of reason to do so.
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by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 21, 2008 10:50 AM CDT
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Theriot interview on ESPN
right now
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on
Aug 21, 2008 10:45 AM CDT
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as in ESPN radio AM 1000
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
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Aug 21, 2008 10:46 AM CDT
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That's got to be enlightening
I can never get tired of Ryan Theriot!
Why am I guessing nobody asks him why he’s such a shitty baserunner?
by Old Style & Ivy on
Aug 21, 2008 10:47 AM CDT
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I'll let you know if they do
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
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I'm predicting we'll get questions more like
“Riot, tell us, why is Soriano so lazy?”
by Old Style & Ivy on
Aug 21, 2008 10:49 AM CDT
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