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Fukudome

I had fun in April and May too, like most Cubs fans.  Of the three cubs jerseys I bought my kids this year, Fukudome was one (Z and Lee were the two others).  Somehow he made the all-star team, and in deed this must make all Cub fans sheepish.

But now it's August, and we're motoring toward a very important September.  Primarily on the road. Almost completely against .500 or better teams.

Can we afford to have Fukudome in RF? 

For perspective, from June to now (if CBS stats are read correctly): 

.247 BA

.342 SLG

25% strikeout rate

Granted Fuke's D is exceptional, but Huff seems to be tearing the cover off the ball in Iowa.  C'mon Lou, let's see what the unheralded rookie can do!  Remember the concept -- bringing up hungry minor leaguers to push poor performing major leaguers?  Isn't it time?

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look, I'm as worried about Dome as the next guy

but you’re not seriously suggesting that Hoffpauer should play Right Field, are you?

How many home-runs would he have to hit in order to make up for the runs he’d allow defensively? It’s not like he really did all that well when he was up before.

I’d much rather bring up Pie and put Edmonds/Johnson in right.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 21, 2008 9:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If you brought up Pie...

… why would you move two centerfielders to RF? Pie can play right field.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 21, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

If you bring up Pie, you play him in right for 3 reasons.

1.) You dont want to step on Jim Edmonds’ toes.
2.) You dont want to step on Reed Johnson’s toes.
3.) Why mess with a good thing in centerfield?

One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola

by Ryan at Cubshub on Aug 21, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

honestly

I forgot.

I gots no problem putting Pie in right. I like Pie. Mmmm, Pie.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 21, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because Pie is better defensively than either of them...

…and your center fielder sees a lot more chances than your right fielder. Only question is whether they have the arm to play right.

by cwyers on Aug 21, 2008 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huff?

I think you mean Hoff.

by bikemonkey on Aug 21, 2008 9:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Iowa does not equal Chicago

Dome stays.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 21, 2008 9:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I've been saying that about Pie for two years

and it always seems to fall on deaf ears here. Imagine if Edmonds and / or Johnson hadn’t worked out. We’d stillstill have the Pie lovers shouting to “give him a chance, he’s young, yadda yadda yadda” as he struck out 75% of the time.

If we win it all this year, Pie can pitch for all I care – but until then, he needs to stay put in IA.

CRAFTY BEAVER!!!

by lostinthevines on Aug 22, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Micah Hoffpauier in right field?

Good grief. I’m convinced that Hoffpauier has taken over the “Matt Murton can do no wrong” role among the lunatic fringe of the Cub fan base.

by MDBNIU on Aug 21, 2008 9:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nicely done!!

I wish I’d said that!

by bluekoolaide on Aug 22, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Free pass

I’m seriously suggesting that Jacque Jones (gulp) has had vastly superior seasons at the plate that Fukudome has, and yet Fukudome has gotten a completely free pass.

Are Cubs fans so myopic that all that matters is April and May? Bad for Jones/good for Fukudome?

Granted I like D, but where’s the heat/pressure on Dome?

Wasn’t he supposed to be fairly high average (.247)? Very low Ks (24%)? and a little bit of pop (8hrs?)

Hoff (excuse my sp earlier) in AAA and Majors respectively is: .370/.378 avg; 16/38Ks: 23/0HRs. Isn’t Piniella’s MO to let the money be damned, and play the hot guy?

by Gunga La Gunga on Aug 21, 2008 9:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

considering

Lou has mentioned wanting to bench him, I doubt there’s “no heat” on Dome.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 21, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Thankfully, the rest of the offense is making it possible for Dome to stay in the lineup, and his defense has been impeccable.

However, sitting him soon if he doesn’t start hitting is an option. That said, I’d think playing him vs. the Nationals, a horrid team, might be just the thing to jump start him again.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 21, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kosuke's defense is the reason to keep him in the lineup

I’m hard pressed to identify a better right fielder in baseball with exception of Ichiro with Seattle. He’s going to need to spend the offseason identifying way to combat inside pitches that NL pitchers have learned eat him alive. It may be the case he settles in to hit in the .260-ish range, .350-ish OBP, 50-60 RBI, and outstanding defense in right field. That’s not a bad ballplayer. Not a $40 million ballplayer mind you, but not a bad ballplayer if he is placed low in the batting order.

by MDBNIU on Aug 21, 2008 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh, the irony...

Who is this player, who got limited playing time in 30 games at the beginning of the season?

Avg: .222
OBP: .286
SLG: .286
RBIs: 7

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 21, 2008 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm...

Corey Patterson v2.0?

/sarcasm

You look like you'd fit in the trunk of my car.

by mambochicken23 on Aug 22, 2008 4:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to be a party pooper...

…but here is a list of RF who are better than Fukudome… (at least this year they are statistically better on offense…)

Ryan Ludwick (.306), Xavier Nady (.326), Magglio Ordonez (.313), Nick Markakis (.302), Jermaine Dye (.298), Brad Hawpe (.294), Vlad Guerrero (.288), and JD Drew (.280), among others.

If you’re talking JUST about defense, Hunter Pence doesnt have an error yet this season (13 assists), Bobby Abreau has 1 error in 218 total chances, and Ryan Ludwick has one more assist and just as many errors as ’Dome.

So defensively ‘Dome is probably the 3rd best RF in his OWN DIVISION, and offensively he’s probably 3rd best behind Ludwick and Corey Hart. It might be time to consider bringing up Pie to platoon…

One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola

by Ryan at Cubshub on Aug 21, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good grief

Errors are not a singular measure of defensive prowess. Kosuke is the best right fielder I have seen in the National League. In fact I haven’t seen anybody particularly close to his total package of range and arm.

Ryan Ludwig is a good outfielder. Nick Markasis is a very good outfielder. Jermaine Dye is a very good outfielder. Brad Hawpe is decent. Hunter Pence is decent. Vlad Guerrero and Magglio Ordonez are shadows of their former selves in right field.

But defensively speaking the only right fielder I would take over Kosuke is his fellow Japanese countryman Ichiro.

by MDBNIU on Aug 21, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its Ludwick, not Ludwig.

And as for his defense, thats definately your opinion.

That being said, you’re seeing things through Cubbie Colored glasses, because Hunter Pence and Alex Rios are much better than Fukudome defensively. Pence has had more than 50 MORE chances than Fukudome (or any other RF not named Randy Winn, for that matter) and that says two things. First, it says that he gets to a LOT of hits to right, and second, the fact that he doesnt have an error means he plays solid defense.

Do yourself a favor and look at the statistics. There isnt a SINGLE statistic that Fukudome has Pence beat in, other than zone rating…

Do some reading and you’ll see what I’m talking about!

One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola

by Ryan at Cubshub on Aug 21, 2008 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All you do is talk...

Why dont you REASON… HOW is Pence worse than Fukudome?

At the plate, Fukudome is hitting .225/.308/1HR/11RBI since the all-star break. Pence is hitting .250/.290/5HR/15RBI.

In the field, the statistics prove Pence is better.

So why dont you explain something based on logical reasoning? Anyone can say stuff and wish it to be true.

“The moon is bigger than Mars. Pink Floyd is actually a christian band. John Kruk is really two men fighting in a fat suit.”

See, I just made plenty of assertions that have no reason nor logic. Kind of like how you do?

One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola

by Ryan at Cubshub on Aug 21, 2008 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

FIELDING !!!

The discussion is on DEFENSE. Can you get it through your pea brain that I have been talking about right field DEFENSE the past several posts? Is that unfathomable concept? Do you not grasp the fact that discussion of offensive ability and defensive ability can be separated?

Kosuke is the best DEFENSIVE right fielder in the National League that I have seen. By a wide margin.

by MDBNIU on Aug 21, 2008 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

First of all, dont insult me.

2nd, why dont you explain WHY he’s better? Unless you’re a major league scout, your opinion doesnt mean much compared to STATISTICS. They say opinions are like elbows, everyone has ’em but some people dont know their elbow from a statistic.

(I dont expect a coherent, intelligent response, but if you want to try, feel free.)

One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola

by Ryan at Cubshub on Aug 21, 2008 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

holy crap

I totally agree with BlueMike on this one. He’s 100% right here. Whoulda thunk it?

You look like you'd fit in the trunk of my car.

by mambochicken23 on Aug 22, 2008 3:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

he is right. dome is still very green in the american game. we all knew this going in. another thing is his contract isnt all that bad. not only did we get a great player but we opening a big door for others to come over here and choose us to play for.

we gotta keep him happy so that word gets out that this is the greatest team to play for overseas.

from the mouth of Uecker:

"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."

by cubsluver22 on Aug 22, 2008 6:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ryan, it's clear

That you don’t have any idea what you’re talking about here. If you’re using fielding percentage and # of errors as legitimate measures of defensive prowess, you are 100%, absolutely clueless.

Game over, man.

You look like you'd fit in the trunk of my car.

by mambochicken23 on Aug 22, 2008 4:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I looked at Ryan's link and essentially there

are two decent stats there, RF and ZR- which Pence wins one and Fukudome wins in the other. So…it’s a tie. Also pretty sure Hunter Pence wasn’t exactly “available” when we signed Dome, nor will he be for a long time. So who cares?

by Canseco's Roid Party on Aug 22, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Manny Ramirez has only committed 2 errors this year. Does this mean he is one of the best outfielders in baseball? Not quite

by sowsman on Aug 22, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could have sworn

Dome has two home runs. Didn’t he get one a coupla months ago?

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 22, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Errors are stupid

Say it with me now!

Errors… are… a… stoopid… way… of… measuring… defense!

Weeeee, doesn’t that feel good?

P.S. Zone rating is the best fielding statistic cited by that little webpage you link to. Fielding percentage stinks, number of errors stinks, range factor stinks, and assists don’t take into consideration the number of times a player had the opportunity to throw out baserunners. Playing in a bandbox like Minute Maid Park probably helps Pence here.

You look like you'd fit in the trunk of my car.

by mambochicken23 on Aug 22, 2008 4:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh, and one last thing...

The greater number of chances that Pence has had relative to Fukudome wouldn’t have ANYTHING to do with their respective teams, would it? Like, the fact that Cubs pitchers have struck out 139 more hitters than Astros pitchers, for example? Or maybe that hitters are only hitting .240 against the Cubs, but .272 against the Astros pitchers?

But yeah, keep thinking that you’re using statistics. It’s cute that you think you know what you’re talking about.

You look like you'd fit in the trunk of my car.

by mambochicken23 on Aug 22, 2008 4:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha!!!

Pie to platoon, huh?… it’s a good think that Pie bats right handed now! I read that they made some adjustments down in Iowa.

But seriously. Errors are a stupid way of measuring defense. Really stupid. Monumentally stupid. As in, Britney Spears after a fifth of vodka and a few hits on the crackpipe-stupid. As in, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, REALLY stupid.

Fukudome is awesome in RF. According to zone rating, a good measure of fielding performance, he’s the fourth best-fielding RF in the majors this year.

You look like you'd fit in the trunk of my car.

by mambochicken23 on Aug 22, 2008 4:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoever this is...

…that took over BlueMike’s keyboard. Please stick around. This post reveals a reasonable position, rationally stated.

Yes, sir!

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 22, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Say it with me now...

There is more to playing baseball than swinging the bat. Piniella’s MO may be to “play the hot guy” (though as others have pointed out, that is at least debatable). But his MO is certainly NOT to “play the hot guy” who can’t field the position.

Your suggestion is about one step removed from floating the idea of playing Z in right on days he doesn’t pitch.

by SuperContext on Aug 22, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

which, if Allah is merciful

will make sure that Hoffpauer doesn’t do anything other than PH off the bench, or back up Lee every once in a while.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 22, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still...

…think he will snap out of it and finish off on a good note. I do think he needs sometime to clear his head, and Lou is going to have to give him some if he keeps struggling.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 21, 2008 9:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed

looking at today’s game, he seems frustrated with himself. so hopefully he’ll work at it and come back stronger.

by nathew on Aug 21, 2008 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Dome a lot....I bought a jersey, too.....

….but I’ve started to cringe when I look at his line in the box score. His BB/K ratio has really slipped – it used to be that even if he wasn’t getting a hit, he’d still be getting on base, but the trend is alarming:

April: 18bb/18k
May: 16/15
June: 17/22
July: 9/25
August: 7/11

I don’t see the games on TV, so I don’t have a lot of insight into how pitchers have adapted to him, but it sure seems like they must’ve done something. I agree with MPH73, that he’ll come up with something down the stretch, and honestly, even if he doesn’t, he’s so solid in RF that he’s still a keeper.

My great hope is that if the Cubs make the playoffs, Kosuke will come up with a hit at just the right moment and make a big difference. He’s enough of a pro and a veteran that I could see that happening, even in the face of a difficult adjustment to MLB.

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by CaughtInTheVines on Aug 21, 2008 9:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think there is an answer in the Cubs system

Isn’t Pie out of options? If they bring him up now he has to stick, or they lose him, correct? There is nobody I know of in the system that can replace Fukudome’s defense. As for me, I’ll just keep thinking good thoughts. I was at the game Tuesday night and he had one great at bat. He was down 1-2 and battled to get the single up the middle after several pitches. I honestly believe we don’t take into account how hard it is to be in a new culture without your family. He has almost no experience against any pitcher he has faced this year, or in any of the parks the Cubs have played. He can turn it on still.

by Nibbles on Aug 21, 2008 9:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nope...

Options are in terms of years… One option means that the Cubs have the entire season to move him up or down, and this was only his 2nd year up… he’s still got another year left before he’s out of options.

One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola

by Ryan at Cubshub on Aug 21, 2008 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

September 1 will be here soon enough

Lou will be able to slide the call-ups in and out of the lineup without the appearance of abandoning Dome.

I think that’s what I’m trying to say.

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Aug 21, 2008 9:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fukudome should only start at home

I was at the game today and I found it amazing on the scoreboard they said he is batting .3someting at home. Platoon him with DeRosa in right for Home/Road and let Fontenot and Cedeno play at 2nd on the road.

Plus I’ve read how people are saying we’re now stuck with him for 4 years if he doesn’t progress. There’s no reason why The Cubs can’t trade him even next year (unless he has a clause) if it’s just not working with The Cubs.

by ak123 on Aug 21, 2008 10:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He'll be here next year

Hendry invested four years in him, and, I don’t think he is physically overmatched by pitchers. I think it is between his ears.

by Nibbles on Aug 21, 2008 10:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Disagree

NL pitchers have exposed a great weakness, and that is Kosuke’s ability to handle the hard inside fastball and slider. He is pounded mercilessly inside by just about every pitcher he faces right now. And when he tries to cheat up in the batter box with that “running swing” of his then they throw him low and away. Kosuke needs to spend the offseason addressing his inside pitch dilemma.

by MDBNIU on Aug 21, 2008 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is Dome's Scouting Report from Inside Edge

Dome’s Scouting Report

Shows that he has difficulty with sliders and curves, especially from right-handed pitchers, and a high and low chase zone (inconsistent from his earlier patience at the plate).

Inside Edge Cubs Scouting Reports

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Aug 22, 2008 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I blame Jobu

Somebody get him a chicken

by chitownhawkeye on Aug 22, 2008 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've agreed with pretty much everything you've said in this thread.

Dome is the best defensive RF in the game, only Ichiro can argue it. Dome needs to be in this lineup, and needs to be low in it.

Since Dome’s getting hammered inside, would he be served well by trying to drag bunt for a basehit every now and then?

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by Bildo1805 on Aug 22, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he hasn't tried to do that

in a long time.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 22, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stop fretting over Kosuke.

This guy is going to get his act back together. And, to point out what others have said — he’s great with the glove. We are not ‘stuck’ with him.

He’s still adjusting to MLB. if this is the case next year at this time, there is a problem. This is one of the smartest players I’ve seen in a Cubs uni in years. I believe the guy will make adjustments — but it won’t be easy on him.

H-paur is a 4A player. He’s trade bait. I doubt if the guy ever amounts to anything in MLB.
But perhaps some team that needs players badly (Padres?) might want him. However, they have nothing — absolutely nothing to give in return.

But some AL team could take a flier on him….

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 21, 2008 11:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fukudome

He’s going to be ok. No doubt there are adjustments for him to make, and he’s all out-of-whack with his swing now (has been for some time). But the guy is a professional, is a great glove man, great baserunner (when he gets on, anyways), and is too talented and proud to keep stumbling like this. I’d say to look for a big year from him next year. As for this year… well, I hope he figures it out sooner rather than later.

But benching him is probably not the best option. The guy is a beast in RF.

You look like you'd fit in the trunk of my car.

by mambochicken23 on Aug 22, 2008 4:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

theres no crying in baseball...

lol jk

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark

by preachermancubsfan on Aug 22, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

GOOD one… you got me on that one. Duh!

by TheHawkRules on Aug 26, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure whether anyone as noticed...

…but yesterday I finally decided to change my Dome-centric avatar and sig line to something different. I want to make it clear that this in no way means I’ve given up on Kosuke. It was just the irrational superstitious side of me thinking that, if I changed something, maybe he will as well.

I still believe Dome’s a good player who will turn things around offensively at some point. Whether it will happen this season is hard to say. Perhaps he’s hesitant to change his hitting mechanics too much right now for fear it will cause him to completely lose control of the strike zone. As it is, he’s not hitting well, but he’s still getting some results some of the time. And, yes, his defense in right field should never, ever be underestimated. Other teams appear to be respecting his arm and that, more than likely, is preventing runs.

I must admit, the idea of doing a Dome/DeRo home/road platoon in right field is intriguing. Kosuke’s numbers at Wrigley are still remarkable – .843 OPS at home vs. a .659 OPS on the road. And DeRo’s resilience is well-documented.

In any case, Dome has become a somewhat sad subplot in what has otherwise been a very happy season. Nonetheless, I think it’s still far too early to consider giving up on him entirely. Oh, and, no, Hoffpauir in right field is most certainly not the answer.

Yes, sir!

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 22, 2008 10:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dome's Struggles

I don’t know to much about the analysis of swings but does Dome’s swing have a lot to do with his struggles?

What I mean is, Dome is almost out of the batters box when he swings and when he’s pitched low and away, he misses it by a mile. It looks like he’s doing a drag bunt but he does a full swing. Do you think if somebody taught him how to stay in the batter’s box until after he makes contact that that could help him out a little?

Like I said, I don’t know much, just curious to what anybody else thought.

by McRipper on Aug 22, 2008 12:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's the swing Dome developed...

…during many, many seasons in professional baseball in Japan. And he had a lot of success with it there. In fact, most Japanese players are taught to swing like that. All that said, I would hope Dome would consider working on adjustments that would keep him in the box – and on pitches – longer.

Yes, sir!

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 22, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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