OT -- IOC finally investigating Chinese gymnasts
In response to a U.S. computer security expert's findings, the IOC has finally opened an investigation into the age of gold medalist He Kexin.
The above link details how he did it. If I understand it right, he essentially used the Chinese version of Google to do a search for Excel spreadsheets. He found one page the Chinese goverment hadn't gotten to.
Couple of observations:
1) Clearly, the IOC had to be bullied into doing this, and they weren't going to do it until the Games were nearly over. They will quietly send the U.S. team the the team gold and Nastia Luikun the uneven gold.
2) It's hysterical that there are about 400,388 journalists over there, flying kites, getting acupuncture, touring the Great Wall, doing cute features on cab rides and using their computers' thesaurus to figure out new words to describe Michael Phelps, and not one of them breaks this story. It was broken by a blogger.
3) Get Bela an interpreter
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The media has good reason to be scared
China has cracked down hard on media access to the internet. This is well documented. Most journalists realize they don’t have the comforts of home, and asking too many questions will get you detained, then shipped home. Why piss off the Chinese government while you are still there. Many will have more to say when they get back to their respective countries. Normally I think being a good guest is just good manners, but being a good guest in China is mandatory. Take off the modern shine, and old Red China is underneath. Tianennmen Square wasn’t that long ago. If you need a more recent example, think of the buddhist monks the Chinese beat over the head (literally), this Spring.
by Nibbles on Aug 21, 2008 10:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As someone who's spent a lot of time in China
This is true, at least as far as the media is concerned. I can say whatever the hell I want there, but my voice doesn’t reach as many ears.
I really like Shanghai, and the Chinese people. Their government, however . . . .
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 21, 2008 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Journalists aren't good guests
They are sent to get stories. You want them to do good stories. You hope they don’t find the bad.
At least that’s how it is supposed to work.
Journalists should behave professionally of course. But professionally for a journalist does not always include politely.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Aug 22, 2008 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps not
But cross a communist government, and you’ll be asked to leave. It won’t always included politely.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 22, 2008 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*include
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 22, 2008 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One exception
I would love it if Mariotti went over there and shot off his mouth. He could use a rubber hose treatment.
by Nibbles on Aug 21, 2008 10:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You know, I've read all of Mariotti's China columns
And with the exception of the one where he toured the Wall, I can’t find a single one where he couldn’t have just have written about what he saw on TV. He doesn’t seem to be doing any interviews. Today’s is about how he thinks the American woman shouldn’t be playing basketball for Russia.
The Sun-Times must be so happy they spent thousands of dollars sending him over there.
No wonder newspapers are on their way out.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Aug 22, 2008 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's typical Mariotti.
He did that when he was in Japan in 2000 for the Cubs/Mets series. I doubt he saw any of Japan except his hotel and the Tokyo Dome.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al Yellon on Aug 22, 2008 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would think the U.S would or should be given the team gold also.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Aug 21, 2008 11:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+10000
for #3. Can only understand about every 4th word he says clearly.
"That guy is a gamer." said Ron Santo of Reed Johnson on 07-25-08
by love the ivy on Aug 22, 2008 12:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gotta give it to you, DaBard...
…this is great stuff.
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on Aug 22, 2008 12:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure He is underage
but I bet nothing comes of this. The Chinese government will simply claim that spreadsheet was in error and will provide altered documents “proving” she’s 16. Without a smoking gun, the IOC will just have to say the investigation was inconclusive.
The funny thing is, that the rule that Bela Karolyi has been screaming that the Chinese are cheating on is one that he personally opposes. And the rule was passed in the first place because of allegations that young children were being overworked and abused by, wait for it, Bela Karolyi.
Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?
by Josh77 on Aug 22, 2008 12:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As the blog states...
…the truly scary and far more important issue is the ability of governments to destroy and eliminate information that they find unfavorable or distatsteful.
My wife is studying this issue in her MLIS program, and the implications to freedom of information are frightening. Even the US government does this crap.
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on Aug 22, 2008 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freedom of information
in the past decade has suffered greatly… it’s a global phenomenon. It’s disturbing.
by Emelie on Aug 22, 2008 6:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The war on information
And intellectualism. Scary.
by dr stabbingworth on Aug 22, 2008 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're absolutely right...
Bela would put nine-year-olds up there if he thought they would win gold.
That whole Kerri Strug thing? It was heartwarming, but it is kinda creepy to think about whether Bela gave her the choice to do it. I know I just wanted him to put her down when he was lugging her around after.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Aug 22, 2008 6:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good eye opener...
But nothing will come from this. The IOC are like the Canadians, they don’t want to offend anybody, especially the host country. I hate how people are trying to make this a race issue or say something along the lines that Americans are bringing this up only because they lost the gold and that we’re all whiners, but the fact remains that cheating is cheating. This issue was raised by the NY times before the Olympics even started. The IOC and more specifically the FIG have dragged their feet with this issue and it’s making them look so incredibly bad. There are rules in place for a reason and this is no different from using performance enhancing drugs. If these rules are broken, you should be punished or the integrity of the game is ruined. One simple solution to the problem is to just get rid of the rule in the first place, that way, every four years the whole world can watch 10 year old kids represent their countries.
P.S. Alicia Sacramone was robbed on the women’s vault. The new scoring system is horribly flawed along with the previous ones. If you fall on any of your vaults, you should not win a medal.
by aznsensation on Aug 22, 2008 3:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree on the P.S.
I find it illogical that a vaulter, in this case Fei, lands on her knees…in essence failing to complete a vault…and can still score higher than someone who completes two vaults. In addition to the fact that the Russian (I think) girl went before a light was green so she gets a 0.00 and not a redo (and another chance to mess up as it seems that’s all Gymnastics is these days…how much did you mess up and how much can we take off for it). How difficult could it have been to just say…nice vault, might’ve been a 10. Do it again. A vault lasts maybe 20 seconds?
by CubFan81 on Aug 22, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind the green light so much
One of the announcers said you very rarely see that in competition. It doesn’t seem like too much to ask to have people remember that green means go and red means stop.
But with the vault, I’m in favor of fatal deductions. Land on your knees in a vault, get a zero. Fall off the beam or bar or rings or horse, get a zero. Step out of bounds twice on floor exercise, get a zero.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Aug 22, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outstanding post, Da ..
Just goes to show you how political the Olympics has always been. Idealism takes a backseat anytime to human nature with less then idealistic motives, especially with so much on the lin.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m proud of our athletes and the wins and the national prestige, however, we have hardly been pure ourselves in the past (thinking of Marion Jones in prison right now …)
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Aug 22, 2008 7:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking from experience...
…I know Chinese people who have come to the US with passports listing them as being several years older than they actually are. It apparently is not too difficult to do in China — you just need to bribe the right people.
If this can be done for random people, why couldn’t it be done for athletes whose ability to compete in the Olympics depends on being a certain age?
by John Q Freejazz on Aug 22, 2008 8:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
See the thing is
China doesn’t care about age so it’s ok!
See, they don’t age discriminate at all when it comes to work labor camps – why should they when it comes to gymnastics?
Of course I doubt NBC will be covering this anytime soon.
by Wreckard on Aug 22, 2008 10:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a fair point
It’s actually a much bigger story that China has pretty much broken every promise it made to get the games in the first place. It promised much more tolerance of protests and much more work on human rights issues.
Good news for Chicago though! It can just lie to get the Games and forget whatever it promises.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Aug 22, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
That’s the most disturbing part of all this – the IOC and NBC’s complacence when it comes to China backtracking on every promise. Of all the things that has happened in the games, the only time the IOC spoke up was when a lone sprinter from a poor country celebrated a little bit as he was crossing the finish line.
The IOC is truly a class act.
by Wreckard on Aug 23, 2008 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's an idea
My mom works for a Diagnostics center where they do all sorts of X-rays and she was telling me that they can do X-rays that show bone density or lenght or something like that and that doctors can tell how old someone is from the X-rays. This only works for someone who is still growing so you would think that if these girls really are 12,13, or 14, than the X-rays could be pretty useful.
by McRipper on Aug 22, 2008 11:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wanted to add
if that’s the case, I think that these X-rays should be the determining factor in the age verification, not an easily forged birth certificate.
by McRipper on Aug 22, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Determining their age is simple people....cut them in half and count the rings.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 22, 2008 12:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They discussed this on
the Today show this morning. I thought they said the IOC has asked the gymastics federation to do an investigation first. Whether anything gets done depends on what the federation finds out. It may take years for any results to come of this.
by sue369 on Aug 22, 2008 1:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And notice...
that the IOC won’t do the work. They’ll let someone else do the work AND more than likely take the heat for discovering any truths. The IOC will look blameless as they say “Well, the FIG found discrepancies and we will have to take the medals.” When the questions about their age were fairly evident leading up to the games the IOC should have done a very thorough investigation themselves.
At best it would’ve enabled a fair competition and at worst it could have possibly saved what might be the greatest poop stain on any recent Olympics. Can you imagine the public perception if this is verified? The whole setup has been to portray the emergence of China as a legitimate world power/leader. That they had to cheat to do it is going to sting if it’s true.
by CubFan81 on Aug 22, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They will blame the West if it's proven true.
That’s what they do. Ironically, they spout crap about “harmonious society”, yet they like to portray life as China against the West sometimes.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 22, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what happene with the girl
who was supposed to be born 1/1/94 and her birth certificate was changed to 1/1/92? I was half-asleep that night Costas mentioned it. It was the same night the mens beach volleyball team won the Gold. I nodded out at the end of the 2nd set when they lost 21-17 and woke up with them running around the sand holding the flag after a 3rd set 15-4 blowout…
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Aug 23, 2008 11:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The IOC has
asked the FIG to investigate. The Chinese gymnastic coaches are saying the US is just jealous. I doubt if anything will be done any time soon or ever.
by sue369 on Aug 23, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why...
did we even compete in the Olympics? Why didn’t we boycott them again? It’s China, for crying out loud….RED China.
Don’t we have a dislike for countries that treat their citizens like the Chinese do? Aren’t we always pointing our red, white and blue finger at countries that don’t share our definition of “Human Rights”? Didn’t we boycott the Olympics several years ago for some political reason? Did that have something do to with the USSR and Afghanistan? Maybe not but it was something political.
Personally I have no interest in the Olympic games because it usually ends up with some sort of corruption, be it the judges, the athletes, the government(s), etc.
There is too much politics involved. ANY politics in the Olympics is too much.
OF COURSE the Chinese would cheat….and the Russians, and the U.S and so on and so on. If it’s not steroids it’s age. If it’s not steroids or age it’s amateurs vs professionals. Whatever someone thinks they can get away with. The whole thing is anything but sporting and fair and nothing less than a way for one country to beat another country without a battlefield. The Olympics motto should be “All’s fair in love and war…and sports”.
It wouldn’t hurt my feelings at all if there were no more Olympics.
My fingers are getting restless about this, I better stop here while I still can.
"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx
by Dave Pendleton on Aug 25, 2008 1:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Because lots of companies
including those that ‘represent’ some of our athletes want in on the growing economy of a population that runs 1.3B. It’s all about the money.
Forget the fake fireworks, forget the lip-sync, forget the censorship, forget all that. Why did puppet “Jack” Rogge slam that Jamaican runner? Because he could. Hear him say much about the 14-yr old gymnists? Now he’s pushing MLB to stop their season to get the players in the olympics for 2016 and uses tennis and hoops as an example of olympic pros? Why? Money, money, money. I can only hope he’s not re-appointed (elected or whatever they call it) next year.
I still want the Olympics for the pure sport of it. Even though its very difficult, I try very hard to dispose of all the behind the scenes BS and try to concentrate on the sport of it all. And I will be in Vancouver in 18 months because the winter games are so epic for me, I have to see them on the continent. I missed Salt Lake, I’m not missing Vancouver.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Aug 25, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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