Derailed: Cubs 5, Nationals 13
Here's the best way to sum up today's 13-5 Cub loss to the Nationals: it should have kept raining, which it was for about an hour between 12 and 1 this afternoon, delaying the start of the game to 2:20.
Then we would have been spared watching the Cubs quickly run off the rails -- all due to a complete bullpen meltdown. Although four of today's runs were charged to Jason Marquis, only two of them scored while he was actually still in the game.
The rest scored on Willie Harris' first career grand slam off Neal Cotts.
Wait, did I really type that? "Willie Harris' first career grand slam." Yeah, I guess I really did type it, because it really did happen.
Wait, I'm not done: Harris hit another homer off Chad Gaudin in the ninth inning, putting an already ridiculous 10-5 game out of reach when the Nats scored three runs off Gaudin after two were out and no one on base, after they had scored three of Gaudin in the eighth inning.
Have you had enough? I pretty much have. This was the worst Cub loss of the year, worse than this one or this one or even this one, and the latter two of those were consecutive.
If only it had started raining after the fifth; Marquis was sailing and a slick double steal executed in the first inning by Derrek Lee and Alfonso Soriano and two homers, by Lee (his first HR since July 27) and Mark DeRosa (setting a new career RBI high for him at 75), had given the Cubs a 4-0 lead and it looked like it was going to be a no-brainer.
Well, it was, for the Nats -- who had exactly one fan in attendance, or at least I saw only one person wearing any sort of Nats clothes, a man wearing a red Nats cap, and I didn't see him till after the game, on Waveland waiting for one of the tour buses. It was a complete bullpen failure, from Neal Cotts to Bob Howry to Gaudin. The Cubs, presumably, learned the lesson today (if they didn't know this already), that they can't take anyone lightly, even a team that came into the game 38 games under .500. For a similar loss by a first-place team, check out this 1962 Dodgers/Mets game, played on almost an identical date that year, August 24, when the 83-45 (precisely the reverse of this year's Nats' record coming into today's game), first-place Dodgers lost to the Mets, whose win brought them to 63 games under .500, 50 games out of first place.
It happens. I doubt it'll happen again. I've had enough of talking about this one; heading out for the evening. Suggest you do the same. Till tomorrow.
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Awful game...
but….
I did catch a foul ball today back behind the plate off of one the Nats.
First one ever. Stinks it had to be during this game
by MillsChC on Aug 22, 2008 6:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well it seems that every time you catch a foul ball, the Cubs get slaughtered.
cut it out!!
we can blame this loss on you. :-)
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Aug 22, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I know...
Is that when I left my office to go to a meeting, the Cubs were up 5-0. I can’t believe you guys blew the lead in my absence. You all should run laps.
In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this? -Oysterband
by Ross on Aug 22, 2008 6:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You should run laps for not knowing the true score
The game was never 5-0. So there.
Current temperature in hell: 44 degrees F - and falling!
by wnielsen on Aug 22, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine...
You are right. I’ll run a lap for they typo. You have to run a dozen and take personal responsibility for the bullpen.
In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this? -Oysterband
by Ross on Aug 22, 2008 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
it sucked. Worst loss of the year. Not much more to add than to win the series.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Aug 22, 2008 6:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Aneb!
It only counts as one loss, but what a way to blow it bullpen, let’s get them on the weekend for our 8th consecutive series win…Go Cubs Go!
Mike+Milton+Eamus Catuli = AC000000
by Cub's Paperboy on Aug 22, 2008 6:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Late Lou
I don’t know if it would have made a difference, but Lou was late in yanking Marquis by about two batters. He didn’t have anyone warming up, though, so there’s only so much you can do to stall for time. Marquis was throwing some real meat pitches the inning before that, but the Nats kept hitting them right at people.
Don’t know if you could see from the stands, but the eephus pitch Cotts threw to Harris was Grooved, as in “I gotta throw a strike no matter what” pitch.
Pie, Fontenot, Theriot and Soto up the middle ... yippie oh, oh, oh!
by SpudV on Aug 22, 2008 6:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
With the wind..............
…………….blowing out as it was, “ball four” was the last thing a manager wanted to see today.
Unfortunately that’s exactly what Marquis did in the 6th. With a 4-run lead he should have been attacking the hitters, but instead he started nibbling.
I’m not saying this game could have ended as a 4-0 Cubs victory, but the 3 free passes in the 6th all crossed the plate, accounting for half of the Nats tallies in that frame.
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
by tville on Aug 22, 2008 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm bummed and in a bad mood
if it weren’t for my game thread pals I’d be in an even worse mood (thanks, guys!). One giant UGH. Can’t wait for our next win to wash the dirt and stink away.
Time to burn through some netflix. And I think I really will take a bath before bed tonight.
Oh, and… Go Cubs!
by Emelie on Aug 22, 2008 6:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A bath and then bed....
thanks for the visual. I feel better already.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by tucsoncubsfan on Aug 22, 2008 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 22, 2008 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wish we lived
closer then we could go for a drink and cheer up. Hang in there Em. It will get better.
by sue369 on Aug 22, 2008 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone in the tri-state area to Emelie's for drinks!
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 22, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Careful - I can get there in an hour
And I like Scotch!
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 22, 2008 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully the bullpen got it out of their system
Because they ALL sucked today.
Oh well, one game. If we lost 5-4, I would probably feel worse.
Current temperature in hell: 44 degrees F - and falling!
by wnielsen on Aug 22, 2008 6:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I always feel worse
after a 2-1 loss like we had earlier this week than after a game like today. We’ll win the next two.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by tucsoncubsfan on Aug 22, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It happens
One game doesn’t make a season. I think by the end of the year we’ll all look back at this one and shake our heads.
Washington came in slumping, while our bullpen was solid. Something had to give, as they say.
Win the next two, take the series, and we’ll all be happy. With Dempster and Harden starting the next two, I’ll take my chances.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Aug 22, 2008 6:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
At least the pitchers
all crapped on the same day instead of taking turns and now have it out of their systems. They’ll rebound tomorrow.
by sue369 on Aug 22, 2008 6:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly Sue
I’m already over it (almost).
Current temperature in hell: 44 degrees F - and falling!
by wnielsen on Aug 22, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
excellent point.
i like the way you think, too.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Aug 22, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great thinking!
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Aug 22, 2008 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs have lost 50 games this season -- OMG!
Everyone else in the NL has lost at least 55.
There – feel better now?
Current temperature in hell: 44 degrees F - and falling!
by wnielsen on Aug 22, 2008 6:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
oh nielsen...
u know just what to say!!! lol
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark
by preachermancubsfan on Aug 22, 2008 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tomorrow is a noon game so it can be quickly erased from our memories
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2008 6:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 22, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a guilt free noon game... hooray!
past several weeks I’ve stolen time to watch the Cubs. Not tomorrow!
by Emelie on Aug 22, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems the ladies like the nooners.
Ok, I’ll stop now . . .
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 22, 2008 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad for starting
or stopping?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 22, 2008 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
shame on you sb
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2008 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You deny it, then?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 22, 2008 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose if Geo is starting......
Im ok w/ one :)
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2008 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, boy
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 22, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you asked *rolling my eyes*
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2008 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No game for us outside of Chicago
It’s in the Fox blackout.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 22, 2008 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assume since the Cubs play at 10am (left coast time)
we can watch tomorrow’s game on mlb.com, right?
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Aug 22, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blacked out on EI,
but MLB.TV has been showing the early Sat. games for the last 3-4 weeks.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Aug 22, 2008 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
toast 2........
we the fans all getting waxed tonight like our team did and tune in for a “real game” tomorrow. go cubbies
from the mouth of Uecker:
"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."
by cubsluver22 on Aug 22, 2008 6:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On to a winning streak that begins tomorrow.
This team has been in a funk for all four games at home. We have been lucky to be playing mediocre teams and be able to split 2-2. Now let’s hope the Cubs can finish the home stand strong and move to 30 games over .500!!
The Cubs have a target on their back and these weak teams want to beat up on them. Time for the Cubs to dig deep and stay focused. No one is going to hand it to them.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Aug 22, 2008 7:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Took my parents to Wrigley for this...
they were in town for the day, traveling to St. Louis tomorrow, and my Mom said two things to me during the ninth inning that summed it up nicely:
1) “Let’s just stay for this ninth inning. I’d hate to miss the greatest comeback ever.” (a true optimist)
2) (said after the last out) “Well, the good news is, the Nationals are still awful, and the Cubs are still great.”
Thanks, Mom. :)
"Why does that man drop his club before he runs? I would bring it with me." ~Stewie Griffin
by Goodie1969 on Aug 22, 2008 7:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
she's great
“The Nationals are still awful, and the Cubs are still great…” What a Mom!
by Emelie on Aug 22, 2008 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Nats are NOT the worst team in the NL
This line-up has some punch. The Padres are fielding the worst line-up in baseball — next to the Reds.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 22, 2008 7:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Adrian Gonzalez
over any 3 Nationals
by daily2b on Aug 22, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Mariners might have something to say about that!
…they are most certainly in the team photo for the worst team in the majors.
"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08
by JB 23 on Aug 22, 2008 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Nats really had only one good player in the lineup today...
… Zimmerman.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he didn't get a hit!
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
by tville on Aug 23, 2008 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a bad thing...
…to get your ass handed to you every now and then. It really helps to remind you, you don’t just show up and win.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Aug 22, 2008 7:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hadn't thought of it that way...
… but you’re absolutely right. I expect the Cubs to come out of the gate tomorrow eager for revenge.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah a little
over confident, little to much strut, maybe. This happens in 162 games, few games out of the year come into the game out of focus and get your hat handed to you.
I’ll take my chances with Demp throwing tomorrow.
Go Cubs.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Aug 22, 2008 7:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OT: Damn cat is *still* in affection mode
going on hour 6… sheesh! He’s one aggressive mofo. Not that I don’t love the love but… dang! The love bucket’s overflowing, category 5…
FWIW, he’s a new cat… just hit year 1 and still very much in kitten mode…
by Emelie on Aug 22, 2008 7:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
put on al belliard mask
that ought to cool him off
by daily2b on Aug 22, 2008 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aw, I love cats.
Do you have just one?
by sue369 on Aug 22, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have two to keep each other company
the other one’s far more laid back (although he’s the one that steals my jewelry). They are different breeds but born just days apart and quite close. Both a handful.
by Emelie on Aug 22, 2008 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they are
and as much as I complain, they are charmers :D At some point they’ll calm down.
by Emelie on Aug 22, 2008 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure they are
a lot of company for you.
by sue369 on Aug 22, 2008 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hide your new phone....
He’s just buttering you up to get to it when you’re not looking….
The only stats I care about are the ones on the back of a baseball card
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 22, 2008 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The day wasn't a total loss (for me)
Got my Mitchell and Ness 1969 Ernie Banks Road jersey today that I won on Ebay for….
40 Bucks!!! It’s rocks the party that rocks the party. Has the old Cubs logo on one sleeve and the “100 year anniversary” of MLB patch on the other. I might wear it to bed.
The only stats I care about are the ones on the back of a baseball card
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 22, 2008 7:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
$40! Nice
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 22, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet deal!
I paid just over $100 for a Billy Williams a few years ago!
"Eighty-five percent of the world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here." - Lee Elia, 1983
"The only thing that bothers me is that I would never want to destroy the love and what the fans of Chicago are to the Chicago Cubs. I mean, God knows. If there's one pure thing in baseball, it is the fans of Chicago." - Lee Elia, 2008
by CaughtInTheVines on Aug 22, 2008 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I should be surprised
but I’m not. Someone cadillac’d a ball they thought was gone today. It didn’t cost the Cubs the game, but it ran them out of an inning. Of course, it wasn’t Soriano, or Ramirez, so there’s no mention of it in the recap. This is exactly what I was talking about last week, until my argument got sidetrack with milquetoast claims about semantics and logic. But here’s the point: certain players get a pass, no matter what they do. Case in point: Mark Derosa, who, somehow, on a ball of the wall, to damn near dead CF, gets thrown out at second base. Unsurprisingly, there’s no mention in the recap. Once again, before all the strawman artists take their shots, I DO NOT THINK THIS COST THE CUBS THE GAME. I just think it’s no surprise that Derosa’s not called out for his actions, while Soriano was. Mark Derosa tanked it, and he gets a pass and that’s complete and utter bullshit. If you’re going to call out one player for it, you should call out every player that does it, but you don’t, and that’s wrong.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 7:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
From my seat
it looked like that ball hit the wall in left center on a rope and ricocheted right to the fielder. DeRosa shouldn’t have even tried for second IMO, it looked like a loud, long single. His boneheaded move on that play was trying for second at all, not dogging it out of the box. Granted I haven’t seen any replays on it so that’s just my memory but it looked to me like he got greedy…
"Why does that man drop his club before he runs? I would bring it with me." ~Stewie Griffin
by Goodie1969 on Aug 22, 2008 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looked on TV like he jogged.
In either case, if it were Soriano, he’d be raked over the coals. If he jogged, he’d be called lazy, or a showboater; if he ran for the extra base, he’d be decried for getting greedy. Derosa gets by, just like so many other Cub players get by. It’s not right and I’m tired of seeing it.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
"Why does that man drop his club before he runs? I would bring it with me." ~Stewie Griffin
by Goodie1969 on Aug 22, 2008 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gary when you stop enjoying blogs
and start discussing more what was written then the games themselves? Do you do this on all the blogs you frequent?
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2008 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I see an inequity
I call it out. Period. Public, private, blog, classroom, or bar.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're tired of seeing it...
You’ve got a couple options:
1. Deal with it.
2. Don’t come to the site.
But for you to come on here and post that stuff? You really think that’s going to change things?
The only stats I care about are the ones on the back of a baseball card
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 22, 2008 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and...
Prozac, that’s another option.
The only stats I care about are the ones on the back of a baseball card
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 22, 2008 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer Scotch.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that works, too
The only stats I care about are the ones on the back of a baseball card
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 22, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prozac is more long term...
…and less hangovers.
The only stats I care about are the ones on the back of a baseball card
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 22, 2008 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hangovers
prove to me that I am alive
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
waking up at all in the morning...
…is good enough for me. :)
The only stats I care about are the ones on the back of a baseball card
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 22, 2008 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sinatra once said
that he felt sorry for people who didn’t drink, because when they woke up in the morning, that was a s good as they were going to feel all day.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a morning person...lol
The only stats I care about are the ones on the back of a baseball card
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 22, 2008 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously,
I am not.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because someone has to say it.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we all have things we do with our free time
if yours is to go to varioius blogs and find errors….. more power to you. sad b/c this might be a season that is the best in our life times (barring you not remembering 1945)
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's happening this season has nothign to do
with the fact that there’s a terrible inequity in the way that Soriano, and, to a lesser extent, Ramirez is covered and talked about, and the way that nearly every other player on the team is discussed. The season is wonderful; the way it’s being handled by people who have a loud, prominent voice (and Al is definitely one of those people), not so much.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats sad
the best thing you come up to do on a friday night is to come and rip apart all of us. rip apart how we are thinking about the game.
besides your dero comment nothing else about the game.
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2008 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's sad is
there’s no argument to the contrary, only cheap shots at myself, insinuating that I’m some sort of loser because I should dare come here and point out a problem.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I listen to them on the radio
if he did that… I have no way of knowing. So I cant agrue to the contrary with out seeing the play.
You pointed a problem in Al’s recap… congrats you may have caught something he missed. If that is what you do with your evening, go thru blogs looking for errors from the people who write them….. again I think thats sorta sad.
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2008 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once again, stop trying to change the terms.
It’s not about what i do with my night, it’s about the way things are talked about where certain players are concerned. It’ not something someone missed, it a consistent inequity, which I mean to point out, whenever, and wherever it occurs. What I choose to do with my nights is a completely separate and unrelated point.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Al should
post only stuff that makes you happy never mind that it is his blog? Just because you see “it” as an injustice doesn’t mean “it” actually is. It’s only our opinion that “it” is an injustice. Al owes you nothing.
by sue369 on Aug 22, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once again, the cheap rhetorical tricks
are futile. I’m not saying that. all I’m asking for is a little fairness. If player X is going to be put on blast for not running out a play and/or being greedy (as he should be), then player Y should be called out as well. That doesn’t happen here, and that’s what I’m pointing out. It has nothing to do with my own happiness.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what? LIfe is not fair.
It happens all the time.
by sue369 on Aug 22, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And, again, that's not a reason
to sit by quietly while it happens.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you can't force
Al or anyone to agree with your opinion. Al has a right to post things as he sees them not how you think he should see them. He has the right to say about the players as he sees them. Obviously he didn’t see the play the same way you did.
by sue369 on Aug 22, 2008 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not trying to froce anyone to agree to anything.
I’m simply pointing out that certain players are called onto the carpet for certain things, while others aren’t. I don’t give a fat rat’s ass whether Al, you or anyone else agrees, but that’s not going to keep me from speaking up.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You said what
you had to say. I just think people are sick of arguments and you are beating a dead horse.
by sue369 on Aug 22, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's any easy way to avoid
discussing something you have no desire to discuss.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks no one else
wants to discuss it either.
by sue369 on Aug 22, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one except you, that is.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think
every person that visits this blog is just as much entitled to see the players and write about the players in whatever manner they choose as you are to give them hell for getting on one player more than another. You’re not going to accomplish anything by pointing out how we take notice of some things more than others. We all understand the point you’re trying to make, but while our views of certain players and their actions may not suit you and may not seem fair to you, it’s equally unfair for you to say we’re wrong.
by ThisIsResolute on Aug 23, 2008 3:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"The time has come for someone to put his foot down, and that foot is me."
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 22, 2008 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that's pretty much how I feel.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if it does make me a heel
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or i end up getting the boot.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Remain calm. All is well!"
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 22, 2008 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know that.
Once again, I’m not freaking out that this play screwed up the season, or even the game. I’m just tired of seeing Soriano put on blast for every little thing he does, and players other than him getting a pass. It’s wrong.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Riot or Marquis or.....
I’ve come to the realization that it’s just the way this blog is. Like it or not, right or wrong, it is what it is.
The only stats I care about are the ones on the back of a baseball card
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 22, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't mean one shouldn't say
something.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it comes down to whether you think...
…it’ll do any good or not.
The only stats I care about are the ones on the back of a baseball card
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 22, 2008 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care, frankly.
It’;s not about winning or losing. That’s not what arguments are for. It’s about stating my case and being heard.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Grab a brew. Don't cost nothin'. "
this is fun – I think I may have stumbled on a new philosophy – namely, there’s nothing in the world that can’t be solved by quoting a line from Animal House.
Maybe it’s new form of Buddhism — or in this case Blutoism
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 22, 2008 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't wait to try this in the next DaBard DaRant... ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 22, 2008 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont read his rants...
but if you but that in the next one… I promise to read it. :)
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looked to me like he was just slow . . .
But his speed didn’t seem to change — I don’t think it was a lack of hustle, just a lack of speed.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 22, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno. I've seen him coast in on
plays just like that. It looked like he thought it was gone, and, truth to be told, on a day like today, it’s hard to blame him. I’m just miffed about the silence on the issue.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is the outrage for Sinatro then....
Maybe he told him to go. Maybe he should have told him to stop. He is coach for Christ sake….
Ya know that Sinatro is not out there to just pick up body armor and slap asses.
Just ridicolous to argue about this…
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on Aug 22, 2008 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Cubs base coaching has been awful
all year long. Both first and third base.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's so amazing?
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That you have
nothing better to do with your time.
by sue369 on Aug 22, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or that you have no arguments, just cheap shots
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All you want
is to argue. If what Al does or doesn’t write upsets you so much why come here? It is his site so he has that right.
by sue369 on Aug 22, 2008 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And this is a public space, so I also have a right.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yet, no one's gotten the point, so no, I don't feel better.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they should.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sue why even waste your time
you know we are just feeding the fire..
ps you have email
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2008 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
np
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to the replays...
DeRo did run right out of the box, but not sprinting — about 80 percent. He didn’t try to turn it up much half way to 2B, and he hasn’t been running so well the last few days (even in the OF today he didn’t look 100%), so he may be trying to protect an injury. I don’t mind our hottest hitter trying to protect an injury to stay in there, but, in that case, he shouldn’t have tried for 2B at all.
(Having said that, the Braves organization teaches taking a chance on stretching a single into a double with 2 outs, so that might have been why he went.)
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Aug 22, 2008 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See it just this:
I don’t mind our hottest hitter trying to protect an injury to stay in there, but, in that case, he shouldn’t have tried for 2B at all.
sort of thing that’s never offered up for Soriano. He’s not given a chance for legs to heal, or anything. No excuses for Sori. And that’s wrong.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
GV
You used to be a great contributor here. You now seem to be upset with us and the world. Why?
We panned DeRo when he got picked off of 2B the other day, and we certainly have been on Riot for his baserunning gaffes. Many folks have noted how much better Ramy has run this year, how much better his conditioning is, and how much more he is hustling.
I recall a lot of people giving Sori a pass last year for non-hustle after his quad injury and this year after his calf injury — not wanting him to push too hard in the OF, etc. The Cadillac job he did in Atlanta was over-the-top, and not at all health-related (except that he was thrown at later); he was deservedly panned for that. Sori also carries a long-standing reputation for non-hustle (ask any Ranger fan if you don’t believe me) and a huge contract, so he does have a bit of a bullseye on his jersey — and he seems to understand that. Sori himself said that his legs got healthy while he was on the DL with the broken hand, so he erased his own built-in excuse.
I know it’s hard to be level-headed when you are upset about something, but I don’t think that Sori has been given as much of a pass as you suggest. Chill for a bit, and revisit this when you cool down.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Aug 22, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sori hasn't been given a pass at all.
And that’s my point. Level-headedness can only last so long. Soriano’s been called out for the exact thing Derosa did today, even in games the Cubs won.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Er, well, just to chime in here...
…I’ve been defending Soriano since the Cadillac job. And I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one. To be honest, the only poster consistently attacking Soriano that immediately comes to mind is BlueMike. And the vast majority of his opinions aren’t worth taking seriously.
I do agree, though, that, if DeRo did dog it out of the box, he should incur some criticism. I would weigh in, but I listened to today’s travesty on the radio.
Yes, sir!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 22, 2008 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but.......
soriano is a 137 million dollar attraction. supposed to be better than anyone on the team, supposed to be a leader and supposed to set examples.
from the mouth of Uecker:
"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."
by cubsluver22 on Aug 23, 2008 5:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gary, I have to agree
That you seem upset a lot. I really enjoyed the discussions that we had earlier in the season — you know a lot about baseball and scotch. Without discussing the merits of the DeRosa comment either way, it does seem like you’ve got a chip on your shoulder about something. I hope everything’s ok. At any rate, I’ve been one to point out flaws in Soriano’s game at times – but I also am quick to point out that the Cubs are MUCH better with him — it doesn’t need to be so polarizing.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 22, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm tired of the same things over and over.
Tired of seeing Soriano blasted while others aren’t (and should be) and tired of cheap rhetoric in place of measured argument.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whats your measured argument
That blogs arent fair?
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2008 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look above for my argument.
You obviously missed it the first time. I’m not going to reiterate it for you here.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what it means to blog from dictionary.com
Typically updated daily, blogs often reflect the personality of the author.
This what Al does, now if you don’t like the way he does it or think its unfair the way he goes about it…. is opinion not measured agrument.
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can offer an argument
in support of my opinion, which is what I did, and what you are failing to do.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry that you feel that this is what the blog has become
Because you added a lot that made it worth reading.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 22, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is likely my last offering.
But you know how to get a hold of me, and you can feel free to do so anytime. I always enjoyed talking with you.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Aug 22, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I may just do that
And I sincerely hope that you come back to the site at some point, because I really do think you add value to it.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 22, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry to hear this, Gary...
…I enjoyed your contributions as well.
Yes, sir!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 23, 2008 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
GV - help me to understand what's bothering you the most on this, because I'm lost in this thread...
Is it that…
A) DeRosa dogged it
B) DeRosa dogged it but he’s not getting blasted for it, or
C) Soriano gets blasted for dogging it
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 22, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gary is right.
DeRo did dog it out of the box, and if nothing else, should have realized a double was out of the question and returned to first. He was out by 20 feet, so a retreat – down by big runs at the time – was the play to make.
He also butchered a running play on Wednesday. Ball hit in front of him and he takes off for third. Bad, bad baseball.
No doubt guys like Soriano or Cedeno would have been roasted for these moves, especially under the circumstances surrounding the game. Everyone has to play heads up ball.
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
by tville on Aug 23, 2008 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Bleacher Box seats
Didn’t want to waste a fan post on this but does anyone know if when sitting in the bleacher box seats in right field if you’re stuck there like regular bleacher seats or can you walk around the inside? Also do you have to enter in the same place as the bleachers seats or can you enter at any gate? Thanks.
by TJ3117 on Aug 22, 2008 8:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You got it backwards
People sitting in the bleachers can go in the main park ( they scan your ticket in and out) but people in
the main park can not come in the bleachers. This started after the renovation. I don’t know if it is different with bleacher boxes but you can definately go in the main park and I ASSUME you can go the
REAL bleac hers.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The answer is yes.
You can go into the bleachers (regular bench seats) with bleacher box tickets.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 22, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes you can go into the
Real Bleachers…
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on Aug 22, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully, you don't have a bleacher box
near the RF ‘well.’ Those, in my eyes are obstructed view. (can’t see CF) The bleacher boxes are OK, the closer you are to the foul pole. Thankfully, for one game that’s where I sat……just a section to the right of thr pole, as you face RF.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 22, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had Bleacher Boxes once last year
and one of our seats was RIGHT behind the foul pole. It was Not A Good Seat.
by ChipSet on Aug 22, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, on the bright side...
DeRosa’s and Lee’s homers averaged 399 feet.
Lee’s checked in at 358 ft. so you can do the math for DeRosa’s blast… it was majestic, if I do say so myself. Went over my head by about 10 feet.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 22, 2008 8:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was going to ask you if you caught it...
I think that was DeRo’s first Waveland blast.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Aug 22, 2008 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
definitely his first this year
and I know he didn’t have one last year. He was a bit of a Cubs killer when he was with the Braves so he might have put one or two out in the old bleacher configuration.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 22, 2008 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeRo never homered in Wrigley as a Brave.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Aug 22, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow - really?
that’s a pretty definitive statement so I’ll take your word for it. I wonder who I’m thinking of then…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 22, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahhh.... I got my Braves second basemen mixed up
I was thinking of Marcus Giles…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 22, 2008 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeRo never hit many HRs as a Brave,
partly because he didn’t play all that much, and partly because he only had doubles power before graduating (magna cum laude) from the Rudy Jaramillo College of Hitting.
His only HR vs. the Cubs was at Turner Field off of Ron Mahay (later a teammate) on 2 Sep 2001.
(Yes, I track these things…)
He did hurt the Cubs in the 2003 playoffs with a 2-run double. Maybe that’s what you’re thinking of?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Aug 22, 2008 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope - I was definitely thinking Braves, 2nd baseman, and always seemed to do well against the Cubs...
…as in multiple HR games against the Cubs. So I dug around baseball-reference.com for awhile and…
didn’t take long to find out it wasn’t DeRosa and it wasn’t Giles I was thinking of. It was…
Jeff Blauser!!!! His only 3 HR game came at Wrigley Field in 1992. He also had a couple 2 HR games at the Friendly Confines.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 22, 2008 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not the worst loss this year....
just the most unexpected (esp. after a 4-0 lead). The worst loss for me was the Kerry Wood blown game in St. Louis (I hate losing to them) Anyway, all is well as long as we bounce back tomorrow. We aren’t the only team to lose bad to a bad team. St. Louis does it once a week and bounces back. This is the best team in the National League and to prove it we will jump their shit tomorrow (i hope)
"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus
by graceunderpressure on Aug 22, 2008 8:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
me too :)
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2008 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can never remember who said this...
…but I keep thinking of that ol’ baseball truism, “Every team wins 60 games, every team loses 60 games; it’s what you do with the other 42 that matters.” Well, going into today’s game, the Nationals had won a mere 45 games. So ya gotta figure they’re due another 15 somewhere along the line here.
Plus, the Nats did just suffer through a 12-game losing streak, so the law of averages probably applies. They won a squeaker against the Phillies yesterday, then they blew out the Cubs today. There – they’ve run the gamut. I trust that Demp and Harden will set things right for the remainder of this series.
Yes, sir!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 22, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point...and remember that they
..Probably didn’t get into Chicago / their hotel until about 3am last night. They were probably on adrenaline and caffeine today and with a day game tomorrow, they will most certainly be flat.
Couple that with the wake up call the Cubs got today and we should be fine Saturday and Sunday.
"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08
by JB 23 on Aug 22, 2008 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree 100%
That loss to the Cards was devestating for me. This one just became like a surrealist comedy act after the grand slam. Good news for the Nats, they just doubled their season offensive output!
by SplintChesthair on Aug 22, 2008 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marquis has fought well this year
but everyt time I look on the board he lets in 4+ in the first three innings. I know he has done an admirable job the last few outings, but for some reason I think he pitches pissed off at averyone around him.
I know Al is a fan of Marquis, and that’s ok, but I shudder to think that Jason is lined up in a tight horserace for the division – cause I’ll spot the opposing team 3 thru 4 most of the time when I see his name in the paper. I like the kid’s grit, but he just seems resigned to being 90% into the game.
That said, Gaudin throwing up all over this boxscore was a shock today.
"Hey Hey, Holy Mackerel, No Doubt About It!"
by scottsdalecubs on Aug 22, 2008 8:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the sad thing today was...
Marquis had really good stuff and was nearly unhittable the first 3 innings then….POOF.
The only stats I care about are the ones on the back of a baseball card
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 22, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That seems to
happen to him a lot. I’m sure he wishes he could do better and I feel bad for him when he doesn’t.
by sue369 on Aug 22, 2008 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had great movement on his pitches
and then everything started getting up in the zone.
It is maddening. He usually Barfs early and then somewhat cleans up. Today he Barfed late and got everybody in the Bullpen sick too
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on Aug 22, 2008 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Jason Marquis sneezes...
…the whole team gets sick.
Yes, sir!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 22, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I saw...
was Marquis challenging hitters just once, then nibbling on the outside of the plate after they fouled one off. I feel bad for the guy, but it seems like he gets spooked too easily.
by SplintChesthair on Aug 22, 2008 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's time for me to stop...
…following major league baseball today. After enduring today’s horrible Cubs loss to the Nats, I just tuned in to the Brewers-Pirates game going on right now via mlb.tv – just in time to see the Brew Crew put up SIX runs in the seventh to make the score 10-3. Mike Cameron just hit a two-run homer OFF THE FRICKIN’ RIGHT FIELD FOUL POLL. It seems like the Baseball Gods are telling me to turn it off and go watch a movie or something. Why won’t I listen?
Yes, sir!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 22, 2008 9:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
To top it off
The Braves started Charlie Morton Salt in My wound against the birds today and he was horrific.
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on Aug 22, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just heard that Maddux got roughed up...
…in Philly today, too. So the Dodgers are now 2.5 games behind the D’Backs in the West.
Yes, sir!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 22, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats too bad
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I'm ok with that
I realize we’re supposed to root against the Cardinals, but I still say I’d rather see them win the WC than the Brewers. Milwaukee has a much better team. Although, I suppose it’s absurd to think that way because that would mean the Cards were better for 162, but still, I think Sabathia and Sheets are tough in a short series.
Of course, if the Cubs take care of business, it doesn’t matter who they play.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 22, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I waffle on this about everyday. I live in STL so while I think the Cubs wouild have the advantage against the Cards in the Playoffs…the thought of losing to them may force to relocate my family and career.
It really is a bad predictment for me to be in….
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on Aug 22, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must admit
That living in SE WI probably plays a similar role in my thinking.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 22, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trouble is, he's the best they've got for that spot in the rotation
And if you think they’re going to pay to get someone in free agency, you’re dreaming. Glavine’s just about to call it a career, Smoltz is fence-sitting on whether to come back next year, Hampton is having a brief moment on the abled list, and Huddy’s hurt. It’s a shame to see it, but Morton has to go every fifth game, and they always get walloped because of it.
by Clutch16 on Aug 22, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is why I told you to go out tonight!
I went out and got home and turned the game on and it was, as you said, 10-3. I missed all the carnage. So I’m not nearly as upset as you are.
We’ll get ’em tomorrow.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 22, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did for a bit
But was able to follow the game. That didn’t help!
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 22, 2008 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really should've listened to you, Al.
Oddlly enough, I lost my Internet connection during the ninth inning of the Brewers-Pirates debacle, so I was forced to stop torturing myself. I wound up watching “Transformers” on HBO. True mindless escapism.
Yes, sir!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 23, 2008 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nats
Wow.
As some of you may know, I also have season tickets for the Nats. I have sat through 50-odd games of mostly horrible baseball all year in Washington. So, I come out to Wrigley, the playoff invoice arrives this morning, and I’m feeling pretty good heading out to the park.
Then the game happened.
I’m convinced today was merely the payoff of an elaborate and intricate practical joke that Stan Kasten has been pulling on me all year.
Anyway, Marquis is done. On to tomorrow.
by 08Cubs on Aug 22, 2008 9:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"50-odd games".
No doubt, that is true.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 22, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One turning point in the game
In My Opinion was the Four Pitch Bottom of the 5th. Two of the three outs were screamers that were hit right at people. If those drop, then I think the fifth shaped up to to be a potentially big inning offensively. Plus, it probably chased their starter, who is their best pitcher btw. Instead, we saw 4 pitches and Marquis had about 5 minutes to rest.
Still…He needs to throw strikes with that lead…
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on Aug 22, 2008 9:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I concur
I was at the game and the Cubs offense went south right along with the pitching. Not just production either but working counts, fouling pitches off, taking pitches etc. In 3 of his 6 complete innings of work(he got one out in the seventh), Nats starter John Lannan threw less than ten pitches after throwing 25 and 15 pitches in the first two frames. It seemed like once the Cubs took their 4-0 lead they put it on cruise control(offensively and pitching-wise) and may have needed this game as a remainder to keep their focus.
The critical thing to understand is that major-league pitchers don't appear to have the ability to prevent hits on balls in play. There are many possible reasons why this is the case, and I don't really have a concrete idea as to why it is.
But the one thing I do know is that it is the case.
--Voros McCracken
by nbt on Aug 23, 2008 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not what I would have hoped for....
….after 1000 miles of travel for my first trip to Wrigley in 18 years.
It was still good to be there, though, and I don’t think I’d ever seen a steal of home in person before, so that was cool.
But damn, I really wanted to sing “Go Cubs Go”!
Onward…..and many thanks to the BCB community for making so many contributions to this trip!
"Eighty-five percent of the world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here." - Lee Elia, 1983
"The only thing that bothers me is that I would never want to destroy the love and what the fans of Chicago are to the Chicago Cubs. I mean, God knows. If there's one pure thing in baseball, it is the fans of Chicago." - Lee Elia, 2008
by CaughtInTheVines on Aug 22, 2008 11:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Similar experience
I traveled from San Jose, California, this year to see my first game at Wrigley since 2000. It just happened to be the day (August 9) that Z and Gaudin got pounded by the Cardinals, 12-3 final. I am 49 years old, and have had enough character-building experiences to hold me for awhile, but what can you do? It was great seeing the gang in person.
The one thing that I hate about the threads today is the sense that we are so good that we should be embarassed that we were soundly whupped today. The teams (and people) that I respect are the ones who behave professionally. We should always try to learn from what happened, if any weaknesses were exposed that we can work on, but we should not be looking down our noses at anyone. The Nats and the Phillies are the only teams in the NL that have winning records against us. We should try to figure out why. If we are professional about it, it may just make us stronger.
I hope that you enjoyed your trip anyway, Caught InTheVines.
by vonde6 on Aug 23, 2008 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marquis did OK today....just like he has all season
Cubs didn’t lose this game on account of Jason Marquis. Cubs lost this game because of the troubling and growing dilemma in manufacturing runs (e.g., 5th inning…Soto and DeRosa walk….and nothing) and the back end of the bullpen being dubious. Neal Cotts doesn’t instill a lot of confidence. Bob Howry is now officially human batting practice. Chad Gaudin simply had an awful game. Gaudin has been very big for the Cubs, but today was not his day. It happens.
by MDBNIU on Aug 22, 2008 11:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
all I have to say is
“bah”. Marquis totally lost it that inning, and just fell apart. He bears a great deal of responsibility for today’s game — finally, he had the run-support he needed, and he couldn’t get the job done.
There. Done.
I’ll be at the game tomorrow! Go Cubs!
Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on Aug 22, 2008 11:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Total team meltdown
It seemed to me the entire team put the game on cruise control after we went up 4-0. Suddenly the 2-3-4 guys go down on 4 pitches. Then Marquis went back to nibbling on 0-2 and 1-2 counts. You never know when he’s going to implode and his inconsistency is so damned frustrating. Frankly, I’dd feel much better if he and Marshall traded places. That would give us 2 lefty starters to throw teams off balance.
But this game was very winnable by us. No more taking games for granted.
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
by tharr on Aug 23, 2008 6:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I still won't blame Marquis, not completely.
If the bullpen does its job, the Cubs get out of that inning leading 4-2 and we likely see Samardzija, Marmol and Wood in the 7th, 8th and 9th.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 23, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cubs
awfull.cant afford to give these games away with the brewers chasing hard.this lead could be wiped out in a week easy and with the cards playing well we need to keep racking up the wins.i,d hate to see the brewers win with the cards getting the wild card.what an awfull end to the season that would be. c,mon cubs
by NOMAR on Aug 23, 2008 7:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nationals
I work in the DC area and everybody knows I’m a Cub fan. That first series in DC in April was brutal and I got a good ole fashioned ribbing from friends and co-workers. If we lose the season series to the Nuts, i’ll probably have to quit my job. I don’t want to quit so Cubs, please win this series so we can split the season series and I can have some ammunition. Thank you.
by McRipper on Aug 23, 2008 9:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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