The Correct Response: Cubs 9, Nationals 2
Once again, leave it to Mike to sum up today's 9-2 Cubs win over the Nationals with a pithy phrase, the one you see as the title of this post.
That's exactly the right statement, and the Cubs made one after their worst loss of the year -- came right back and blew out the Nats, in front of a handful of their fans (Jim McArdle found some more of them, including an entire party of them on the rooftop at Murphy's -- the one where you can't see the game, which was probably just as well for them). I spotted at least two of them in the stands, one on the concourse wearing a gray road WASHINGTON jersey, another in the LF corner seats wearing one of their red alternate shirts with the interlocking "DC" logo (one of the better logos in sports and the one they ought to use on their caps instead of that 1960's era script "W").
Digression again. Important things: Aramis Ramirez smacked two three-run homers; the six-RBI day brought his count to 90, the first Cub to reach that plateau this year and bringing him to sixth in the NL, pending tonight's action. The Cubs now have three players (D-Lee, 74, DeRo, 76, and A-Ram) with 74 or more RBI, all of whom have a shot at 90 and maybe even 100 if they have good Septembers.
It didn't start out very well -- the Cubs left two on in the first, with nearly another DP-Lee, though he beat a relay to make it only a fielder's choice; left the bases loaded in the second and again in the third without scoring. Eight men left in the first three innings -- not good. But in the fourth they broke it open with a walk to Alfonso Soriano -- this isn't saying much, but he's now got 28 walks, almost equaling his total of 31 from all of last year -- two singles, and A-Ram's first homer, making it 4-0. Meanwhile, Ryan Dempster was mowing down the Nats easily; only one Nat reached third base in the first six innings and that was only because Kosuke Fukudome overthrew second base on another Willie Harris extra-base hit, a double into the corner, and what has gotten into Harris the last two days? Or this year? He's a journeyman who's suddenly hitting for power -- 12 of his 19 career HR have been hit this year. He's still not a very good outfielder, as shown by letting Ryan Theriot's bloopy little ball drop in for a single in the fourth inning, helping trigger the Cubs' four-run rally that frame.
Dempster ran out of gas in the 7th on a very sticky, humid day, giving up three hits and a run after two were out, and for some reason Lou let him bat in the last of the 7th and come out for the 8th; I'd have taken him out in that weather, considering the pitch count ran up to 111 (74 strikes), more than necessary. When Dempster hit Lastings Milledge, Carlos Marmol had to be summoned to rescue Dempster, which he did with his usual ease, posting his sixteenth scoreless appearance in his 17 outings since the All-Star break (17.2 IP, 3 hits, 1 ER, 9 BB, 22 K, 0.51 ERA in those 17 appearances). Sean Marshall gave Washington a consolation run in the ninth inning, when Aaron Boone doubled to almost the exact spot he did yesterday with a runner on first.
Today was Dave's (mumblemumble) birthday, which was properly commemorated by a scoreboard announcement, some gooey brownies from Weber's Bakery on the Southwest Side brought by his son Brian, and a visit to the bleachers by Dave's first granddaughter, Catelyn, just past her first birthday, who entertained all of us by keeping her hand immersed in a cup of water for an inning or so. We had fun today -- even though a sudden five-minute tropical island type downpour had us scurrying for the umbrellas, just about the time Ramirez' second three-run jack put the game on ice, and more ice would have been really nice today, given the weather, and I wonder how much longer I can run this sentence on.
That was about it, I guess.
The Cubs had fun too. Rich Harden takes the mound tomorrow to try for the series win, and that'd work for all of us. In the meantime, go Pirates and Braves.
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by Weeghman Park on Aug 23, 2008 4:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great win...
Awesome to see Rambo break out. He has a shot at 30 HR and 100 RBI, hopefully quashing all the talk that he’s rapidly declining."
It’s all about winning series, and hopefully the Cubs can keep that up tomorrow afternoon.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Aug 23, 2008 4:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"all the talk about Rami declining..."
I think that is confined to the idiots who work the booth for the Reds.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Aug 23, 2008 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
In fact, while Ramirez’s surface stats are a bit underwhelming relative to those of his last two seasons, his peripherals show that he might be better than ever. His walk rate is way, way higher than his career rate and although his strikeouts are also up, his BB/K is still thirty points above his career rate. He is hitting his highest amount of line drives in three years and he has also taken a large number of ground balls and turned them into flies, something which I would like to see our other corner infielder do. His HR/FB rate is down and unless he has suddenly lost his power, which at this point in his career is unlikely, today might have been a signal of what is yet to come for Ramirez down the stretch. With his newfound plate patience and fly ball ways, I would rather see him in the three hole, but it’s not like he’s being wasted one spot further at four.
by dakoose on Aug 23, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gawd.
both of his home-runs were huge, although not as huge as DeRosa’s yesterday. MORE of this? I may faint.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2008 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best thing about baseball:
Winning the next day makes you forget an ugly loss.
"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI
by sweetswinger on Aug 23, 2008 4:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Now let's watch the Brewers
start to fold under pressure. Maybe tonight’s the night it starts.
by santo4hof on Aug 23, 2008 4:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the Brewers...
…will fold. With Sheets and Sabathia healthy, that lineup will score enouph runs for them to win their share of games.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Aug 23, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
That’s a good team. They have to be the favorites to win the WC.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 23, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if the Brewers only win 55% the rest of the way...
I think the RedBirds fade.
The teams in the East beat each other up.
And the Dodgers have yet to prove they can win in their own division (only .500).
So by process of elimination, even if the Brewers cool off a bit, I think they make the playoffs. And i hope they do cool off as I would like some breathing room in mid-September.
But let’s take care of our own business and keep winning at a 60% clip or better (by keep winning series). That will keep pressure on the Suds.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Aug 23, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't let sanantonecub find out about those brownies, Al
He’s been jonesing and will bogart them for sure!
by Emelie on Aug 23, 2008 4:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
From England?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 23, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It all stems from yesterday's game thread
Emelie said I didn’t need any brownie points, and I ran with it and have been demanding my brownies since then!!!
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!
by sanantonecub on Aug 23, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I get it now.
You’d have liked the brownies today. Very good stuff.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 23, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weber's bakery...
Great stuff there…love their Key Lime pie in the summer and their kolacky (sp?) is to die for!
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Aug 23, 2008 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never had anything from there before.
But man, those brownies were GOOD.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 23, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Webers....
Been getting stuff from there all my life. I think at least 30 of my birthday cakes came from there. And to top it off, right across the street from Webers is my dentist, so I can eat at Webers and get the cavities I got from all the sweets filled right at the same place!
Kasey
See the Cubs 2008 schedule (with TV schedule & game-by-game results) at http://ignarski.tripod.com/sched2008.html
by kaseyi on Aug 23, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great day to be a Cubbie fan.
Let’s get ’em again tomorrow!
by DWChaney on Aug 23, 2008 4:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Dempster -
you’re table is ready.
He is really impressing me. He hasn’t allowed a HR since July 2nd! He should really be a leading candidate for the Cy Young along with Brandon Webb. He has really been the ace of the staff, and has been consistent all year long.
You want a MVP candidate? What about Aramis Ramirez? If he finishes with 30+ HR and 110 RBI, you would have consider him also. He will have a OBP near .400, also.
Also, it looks like Marmol is back to early season form.
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by Unique on Aug 23, 2008 4:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i would say Demp... is Cubs MVP
by nervousCUBlover on Aug 23, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both He...
…and DeRosa have been top notch performers, and have really allowed the club to take it up another level from the 85 wins last year. I give Dempster big time kudos, and have no problem saying I was completely wrong when I thought he would struggle as a starter.
That game yesterday was a good thing. Getting an ass whoopin once in a while keeps you a little humble, and is much better than losing a close one in the last inning.
From this point, you hope everyone can stay healthy and they can finish strong.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Aug 23, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
aram
is probably an honorable mention
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark
by preachermancubsfan on Aug 23, 2008 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somehow after years of solid production
Rami remains underrated. I don’t get it.
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 23, 2008 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he had a rep
for being a slacker. Look at how it’s followed Sori.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know.
but its still maddening how he never even gets a whiff of the “Best 3B in NL” talk. I mean. Really.
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 23, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congratulations on Tamia's arrival.
Hope all are doing well.
by sue369 on Aug 23, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very good win today. The boys beat up
on a weak sister as they should. The pitching staff looks solid as a rock. I am looking forward to Angel Guzman coming up next month. You can never have enough good power arms in the bullpen.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 23, 2008 4:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
First Time Poster From Denver
Been a faithful BCB’er for two years now, so I figure it’s about time to get in on the action. Born in Chicago, been in Denver for 25 years.
No TV coverage today due to the Saturday Fox blackout rules, so the family left when it was 5-0 to go shopping. I parked next to a red jeep with a Cardinals tire cover, which I thought was funny. The guy in the sports store had a Pujols jersey on and I had my Cubs gear on. He quickly came over to tell me what a great year the Cubs were having and I told him the Cardinals are hanging in there for a Wild Card spot.
Anyway, nice rebound victory today. Great to see Aram making some things happen offensively. Go Cubs Go!
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
by DKT on Aug 23, 2008 4:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
welcome to posting, DKT
come join us in the game thread!
by Emelie on Aug 23, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be there...
Sometimes I’ll DVR the games and watch them after work, but sometimes I NEED to know what’s happening as it’s happening…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
by DKT on Aug 23, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
welcome DKT
but I must warn you this site is addictive.
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by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 23, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell me something I don't know!
My office is a block from ESPN Zone so I can always walk down there and disappear for a few hours if I need to. Otherwise, I’m on BCB all afternoon…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
by DKT on Aug 23, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way.
I’m so worried about Fukudome.
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by Unique on Aug 23, 2008 4:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we're just seeing who the guy really is.
He’s one of the best right fielders in baseball (+15.5 runs) with a penchant for overthrowing the ball, but overall really is excellent defensively. The problem is, he really just isn’t that good of a hitter. He has a bit more power than Ryan Theriot, and strikes out like crazy now that pitchers are pounding him in with the fastball. Seems like the best offensive ability he has is his OBP skills.
by sackings108 on Aug 23, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Fukudome...
…is somewhere between what you saw the first 2 months and what you have seen the last 2 months. He isn’t as bad a hitter as he has shown since the all star break, but he isn’t a .310-.320 hitter either.
When all is said and done (time for mental break and adjustments) I think he is a .280-.290 hitter, who will have an OBP of around .360-.370 and will hit you 10-12 homers.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Aug 23, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see that happen.
For that to happen this year he’ll have to have a real good September. It’s still possible.
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by Al on Aug 23, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He may not get there...
…this year, but I still say he finishes strong and will have fewer long term cold spells after he has this year under his belt.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Aug 23, 2008 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'd be absolutely pleased with those numbers.
I hope he’s able to ramp it up in September and make it there. I “watched” him strike out with the bases loaded on my cell phone this afternoon and was quite melancholy for a good while afterward.
Yes, sir!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 23, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
Now that he understands what to expect out of the US game, he has to adjust. I think he will come back as a better player next year. Fukudome will adjust. But I think the remainder of this year will be more fits than starts. Lou will keep the pressure off him the remainder of this year. Lou did say after today’s game that, “he was going to have a talk with him (KF) about his hitting tomorrow AM.” Lou is clearly losing his patience.
I think there is even a chance he won’t be on the October roster if his #s don’t improve. Do you want Pie’s defense and speed if he is a decent call up in September? If both Hoff and Pie have good showings in September (assuming they get enough playing time), it could be an interesting problem…
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Aug 23, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No chance hs gets left off the October roster.
Fukudome is not the player he was earlier in the year, and many analysts, particularly those on BP-type sites, had a feeling his success wouldn’t last, but he is still valuable. Also, his defensive numbers look even better when you consider that many say that Wrigey’s right field might be the toughest corner outfield spot to roam in all of baseball. He’s a nice doubles hitter with a little extra pop once in a while who will hit for mediocre average and take walks. If Pie doesn’t pan out and Edmonds doesn’t come back next year, his bat would become more valuable if he moves to center field, which he looks capable of playing pretty well.
by dakoose on Aug 23, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there is NO WAY
Dome gets left off the roster. He still draws LOTS of walks, and his defense is ultimate Transformers edition.
I really don’t understand this fascination with the Hoff, especially as a position player.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's not to understand?
everybody loves the “kid from nowhere” story, except Micah’s not necessarily a kid. But his age taps into another american favorite, the “career minor leaguer finally makes it to the show” story. Plenty of movies about that. Add in the fact, that he’s absolutely raking the ball in the minors… it’s very appealing to the non-discerning fan.
But 25 man rosters being what they are, there’s usually one spot for the LH pinch-hitter specialist role, especially in the NL. And that spot is currently filled by Ward. So as long as Ward’s numbers are less than stellar, Dome struggles at the plate, people don’t think about defense, and Micah continues to pound the ball, people are going to be fascinated with the Hoff.
I admit I am. But not at the expense of Dome’s defense. Or Ward’s experience. Or pretty much anyone else on the current ML roster. There’s just no room for Hoff now. But he’s a nice Plan B to have in your back pocket. He’s been up before and acquitted himself rather well, if I remember right. So, come September, he should be up and may be able to help us win a few crucial games. And with September’s road game predominance, any and all help will be much appreciated.
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by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2008 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LSA.
As a thank you for writing this post, I’m going to access the time-space continuum and see to it that DeRo’s home run today drops directly into your glove on Waveland Ave. And when you speak of me, speak well.
Yes, sir!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 23, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoff could see October
if Lou leaves Marquis off the playoff roster, which is a real possibility with both Gaudin and Marshall already in the pen as capable long-men. Hoff has been raking and he could defeat all odds to become the next Carlos Pena-like late bloomer, but I expect him to end up being more of a Fontenot/Theriot than a Pena, and by that I mean a serviceable part timer/fringe starter in the bigs, not a speedy slap hitter with some pop type. Also, since the beginning of last season, he has shown very little plate patience and with more AB’s he could be exposed. For his sake, and the Cubs’, I hope he is legit, but more often than not players with his profile don’t go on to have huge careers in the bigs.
by dakoose on Aug 23, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dome's success early this season
was based around not swinging at garbage, looking for a good pitch and then hitting it. Now he’s over thinking and pressing. He just needs to relax…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
by DKT on Aug 23, 2008 4:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
everybody got mad at me in last thread for jumping on Dome, BUT...
why not bench him and try the Hoffpauir out there OR put DeRo out there and Fonty at 2B, OR, have some more Reed AND Edmonds together games??? I like Dome, but he is hurting the team, and I am willing to hurt his development or hurt his feelings to WIN THE WORLD SERIES! I am afraid we are just playing him cause we’re paying him!
by nervousCUBlover on Aug 23, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no benching him wasnt your exact words.....
had those been your words you wont have been jumped on I believe they were DFA Fuku and bring up Hoff.
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by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 23, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just like saying DFA!!!!
note – if we bring Hoffpauir up after 9/1, is he still playoff eligible if we choose?
by nervousCUBlover on Aug 23, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Fukudome gets injured, they could use Hoffpauir to replace him on the roster.
The fact is, Fukudome is a joke. He’s a late inning defensive replacement, at 12 mil a year. Felix Pie could do that for the minimum, and he has real upside.
by sackings108 on Aug 23, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just like saying it?
Do you understand what DFA means?
Yes, sir!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 23, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also,
would it make sense to leave Marquis off the playoff roster since we only need 4 starters
by nervousCUBlover on Aug 23, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
benching dome.....................
DFA Fuku two different things
I would have agreed w/ the benching Dome comment. He’s struggling right now
I was shocked when I went to game @ Miller Park the amount of Japanese media there. I cant imagine living under that microscope.
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 23, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree and I think
that we’ll see a very different Dome next year. I think the pressure and amount of change he’s experienced this year is astronomical. He’s a human being. Cut him some slack his first year in the States. If his offense continues to suffer next year then, yes, he’ll deserve critical scrutiny. This year? Not so much.
by Emelie on Aug 23, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
And he also had a child right before the season started, which probably doesn’t help his focus/concentration.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Aug 23, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Aug 23, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Dempster agrees with you.
Here’s a fairly decent article, for Carrie Muskat anyway, on this topic from cubs.com.
Yes, sir!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 23, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice article.
Nice to see his team mates understand what he’s going through. He’ll come around.
by sue369 on Aug 23, 2008 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much was there?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2008 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
putting Hoffpauer in right
would hurt our World Series chances far more than letting Dome bat.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2008 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
THAT... FREAKIN...ROCKED!
I’ve never sat in the upper deck before, and other than the fact that you can’t hear ANY of the announcements, I thought that it was pretty good. Nice view, in the shade, under-cover from the rain, and just the right height to see Rami’s first home-run as it kept rising into the stands, and DeRosa’s THIRD HR in THREE GAMES.
My section sang happy birthday to me as well (it’s next week, but this was my game celebration).
And then, the classic ending to the day:

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2008 5:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
by the way
my son picked that hat out himself, today at Strange Cargo, where I also picked up a BCB shirt. Hopefully, he won’t look like Milton when he’s older…
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Happy birthday.
Glad you had a great time at a Cubs win on your birthday. And nice pic, too!
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops, just read your full post.
I can’t read unless I see the same thing twice! ;)
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2008 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good lookin' kid.
And that must’ve been a great game to see live.
Yes, sir!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 23, 2008 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That second HR for Rami
was a total surprise. There’s a pillar that blocks the view of part of right field. He hit it, and the fielder went back as if to catch it…
and then it was suddenly in the stands! Rokkin!
His first one, tho… has it come down yet? It was rising as it passed the wall.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2008 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds awesome.
Unfortunately for me, I was out all day and couldn’t more than check my cell phone and catch a few snippets on my car radio. I’m gonna go check out the highlights tout suite.
Yes, sir!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 23, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be his #1 survival trait
it’s why he’s still alive.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drew, is your kid flashing gang signs? ;-)
“Read between the lines!”
“Talk to the hat!”
“Come up here, Lastings Mill-head and I’ll mess your left hand up even more!”
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by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's doing the Win
finger thing that is displayed in the game thread. :D
And I think he could take Lastings. Certainly best two out of three.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2008 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love that name, Lastings Milledge
It sounds like something out of Dickens.
by ChipSet on Aug 23, 2008 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Night, All!!!
take care of things while i’m away!

by nervousCUBlover on Aug 23, 2008 5:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Al, question
Where are they giving out or selling those “W” signs? I looked all over when I went to Wrigley in June, but I couldn’t find any signs.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2008 5:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There are people with the W signs all over the place.
They’re “It’s Gonna Happen” signs with “W” on the back. They are everywhere around the ballpark before the game.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 23, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the one in the picture I posted
was bought by a friend of mine. He’s coming over, I’ll ask him where he got it. I thought it was outside the stadium.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
K, thanks
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe the one in the photo is the one the roving vendors are selling.
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by Al on Aug 23, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody was handing them out to the bleacher line a couple weeks ago...
at the Marlins series. They weren’t exactly the same (no “It’s Gonna Happen” on the back, as far as I could tell)… probably promoted some radical political movement or something, but they were free and did have a big blue W.
by hokie316 on Aug 23, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Braves/Cards game
pretty interesting….
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by iluvryno on Aug 23, 2008 5:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
5-3, Braves leading?
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep....bottom of 8th.
Was tied at 3 just a few minutes ago.
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by iluvryno on Aug 23, 2008 5:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Now it's 5-4
Our good friend Will Ohman is on the pitcher’s mound for Atlanta.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh man
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by iluvryno on Aug 23, 2008 5:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's with the Braves now.
Yes, sir!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 23, 2008 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scott Eyre update
Just completed his 5th appearence for the Phillies. He has pitched 4 innings given
up two hits no runs has one walk and five strike outs. I am not questioning that he was pretty bad this year but perhaps having a manager who uses him and might actually trust him might help him. Except for the upcoming series next week , I hope he keeps this up.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 23, 2008 5:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I had a feeling he'd do well...
…if the Cubs moved him. Man, when you look at how Howry has continued to struggle, you really gotta wonder…
Yes, sir!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 23, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read somewhere
that one scout said the only thing wrong with Scott Eyre was that got trapped in Lou Piniella’s doghouse.
Good for him, though. He wasn’t going to get another chance with us, most likely.
Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?
by Josh77 on Aug 23, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good for scotty......
but the Cubs really have no room for him. Also, four innings of very low leverage pitching(he has pitched all of his innings either behind or ahead by plenty) is hardly impressive. He was of no use to the Cubs and at least they got a prospect for him.
by dakoose on Aug 23, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But we have room for Howry ?
Like I said I think Eyre pitched bad this year but he has been in Lou’s dog house since last year.
I strongly suspect it is because he was one of Dusty’s boys but in any case Lou gave Howry all the chances in the world and treated Eyre like dirt and they both pretty much stunk.
You are correct that Eyre has pitched in his last thre appearences with big leads or deficits but
in his first appearence for the Phillies he came in with two and two out with the Phils down by one.
He got the out ( McClouth) and ended up with the win when the Phillies scored in the next inning,
in his next appearence he pitched a scoreless 8th with the Phils down by 2.
It is best for everyone that Eyre left since Lou did not “trust” him and thus would never use him,
I am just glad he found a happy home.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 23, 2008 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Howry also stinks.
True, Howry has stunk as well, but the “upside” of Eyre isn’t near that of Howry. What I mean is that if Eyre were to return to form he would be used as a situational lefty, but Lou seems to already have given that job to Marshall, Cotts or just one of his three nasty righties. Howry on the other hand, could be a setup man when going well and would provide insurance for another Marmol slump, Wood injury or Samardzja rookie struggle, all of which are possible. Not that I entirely believe everything I wrote, it’s just that thats what I believe the rationale was behind trading Eyre but holding onto Howry.
by dakoose on Aug 23, 2008 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as Scott pitches
against the Cubs when Philadelphia is behind, best of luck to him.
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by Trey2317 on Aug 23, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good game today.
Hope they carry over the winning way tomorrow.
by sue369 on Aug 23, 2008 6:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Argh!
Looks like the Cards-Braves game is under a rain delay – with two outs in the top of the ninth. Just call it and give the win to the Braves. It doesn’t look like they’re going to have too many of those this season. (Wins, that is.)
Yes, sir!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 23, 2008 6:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And in other NL Central news...
…the Brewers are already up 2-0 on the Pirates after one in Milwaukee. Last out of the inning? Prince Fielder caught stealing at second base. No, seriously! I just saw it!
Yes, sir!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 23, 2008 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Milwaukee shoots for wild card
Leave it to the Brewers to set the bar low. What athlete trains for 4 years and shoots for silver ? Say goodbye to CC, Cameron, Sheets and of course Nederiffic in 09.
I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck
by Employee22 on Aug 23, 2008 6:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did they state this publicly or something?
Yes, sir!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 23, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
just lookin to add to the border war
I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck
by Employee22 on Aug 23, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you look at how often the NL WS team has been the WC,
you can understand the comfort with that spot. It has been the WC team much more often than the team with the best record in the NL. I have read this a few times.
I am just saying…
We have lots of things to overcome when we are the Cubs. AND WE WILL!!!
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Aug 23, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you're one of those "agitators."
Yes, sir!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 23, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dome
I sat close today and got a ton of photos. I’ll try to get a few up later, but noticed something kind of interesting – Dome was using Soto’s bat at least once today.
by 08Cubs on Aug 23, 2008 7:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
on the radio driving home
people talked about two things that the SportsCenter guys agreed with:
1) He’s being too selective
2) He’s totally unable to hit the high-inside pitch
Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2008 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Breaking Pitches
He doesn’t seem to be reading breaking pitches at all and takes terrible swings at pitches that end at his toes.
by dakoose on Aug 23, 2008 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
does anyone else feel this way??
i almost wish the cards would win and get the WC so we dont have to deal with the suds anymore
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark
by preachermancubsfan on Aug 23, 2008 7:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Be careful of what you wish for
in 03 I thought the Fish would be an easy path to the WS
I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck
by Employee22 on Aug 23, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is assuming that any of the NL Central teams
actually make it past the NLDS.
by daeviant on Aug 23, 2008 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea
the east and west are tough………meh
I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck
by Employee22 on Aug 23, 2008 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im only saying...
i would rather face stl’s starting otation than sheets and cc
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark
by preachermancubsfan on Aug 23, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one is easy
in the playoffs. Everyone is tough.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Aug 23, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They finally finished that Braves-Cardinals game while I had dinner...

8-4 Bravos was your final.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 23, 2008 7:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and
he squeezes off another one.
Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2008 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of all my Cardinal fan friends...
…they all feel the Cardinals play this season has exceeded their expectations. Itr’s as if they didn’t expect them to be this close this late in the season anyway. They are still in the Wild Card hunt, but even that might not happen if the Brewers stay hot.
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
by DKT on Aug 23, 2008 7:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No question TLR is getting as much (and more)
out of that Cardinals team. You know their club will always play hard, and play good fundamental baseball. It just so happens that at the moment, they’re the closest team to us for a playoff spot..
“It’s not personal Sonny, it’s business.”
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 23, 2008 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to hear the lopsided score...
….first game I’ve missed either on TV or radio this year.
But when your daughter sings the national anthem at her high school’s football game that, by the way, was held at the new Lucas Oil Stadium In Indy, well, life’s about priorities. :)
A very proud papa tonight.
The only stats I care about are the ones on the back of a baseball card
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 23, 2008 7:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow!!!
Congratulations to you and your daughter. Memorable experience for all of you.
by sue369 on Aug 23, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks sue. :)
The only stats I care about are the ones on the back of a baseball card
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 23, 2008 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Which high school does your daughter attend?
I was there last night for the Fishers High School game. What a great experience for all of the kids involved.
by grace1723 on Aug 23, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
She goes to Lafayette Jefferson.
She’s in the Marching Band, but also in choir, so she sang the NA then performed with the band at halftime. Pretty special day. And that stadium is just beautiful.
The only stats I care about are the ones on the back of a baseball card
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 23, 2008 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree about the stadium - it is amazing.
Congrats to your daughter on a memorable day!
by grace1723 on Aug 23, 2008 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's awesome
Congratulations.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Aug 23, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A memorable day
congratulations to you and your daughter! A special moment for you both.
by Emelie on Aug 24, 2008 3:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hi Gang!
Checking in from Colby, KS — on my way to Missouri for a family confab.
Thanks for taking care of my boy DeRo so well while I missed the game!
I’m listening to the game right now because my motel’s “high speed internet” isn’t high speed enough to run MLB.TV. Still good, though, to hear Pat and Ron.
I can drive all day tomorrow probably not being able to watch the game, but secure in the knowledge that Harden will be on the mound for the Cubs.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Aug 23, 2008 8:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
DeRo was awesome
again today. The guy is hot right now.
by sue369 on Aug 23, 2008 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he ever not hot?
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 23, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the...
Are you stalking DeRo at his dry cleaners, Bump?
Yes, sir!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 23, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually, he got that photo from Sue
Sue took the picture while wearing a big hat and a huge trenchcoat, and she was standing on HBCG’s shoulders at the time…
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2008 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
With Emelie standing next to them holding her cat…
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Aug 23, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MR. DEROSA! DO YOU WANT TO PET MY
kitty?
Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha...
No, I think this in the player’s parking lot…Just surfing and looking for new Cub’s pics and ran across this one.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Aug 23, 2008 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bump if you are going to stalk players
can i request a Geo?
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 23, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW...
… one of the independent T-shirt vendors today had a shirt with a baseball diamond, a heart at 2B and the words, “I Want To Get To Second Base With Mark DeRosa”.
No, I am not making this up.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 23, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice
north, west, or south side?
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that one when I was at Wrigley earlier this month!
cubs = love
by cubs ftw on Aug 23, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you didn't buy it for me????
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Aug 23, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahaha
omg. that is AWESOME.
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 23, 2008 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw a shirt that said
I want to get to second base with Halfblindcubbiegirl.
Galvin was wearing it.
Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 23, 2008 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only quality if its in Braille
that would be golden.
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 23, 2008 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was.
Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 23, 2008 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok, a Braille t-shirt on a shapely young lass...
…is just asking to be read. ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2008 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was sitting next to a girl
who was wearing this shirt Thursday at the Reds game.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 23, 2008 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm... can a score, home plate, Soto etc. shirt be far behind?
I think there’d be a few mail order requests from BCB for that one…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2008 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL...He wasn't in the parking lot that day..
but if you like catchers, I do have a lovely Rob Bowen and a Koyie Hill..:)
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Aug 23, 2008 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. THAT GUY!!!!!!!!!
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Aug 23, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that is the answer to my question
an emphatic “no”. The man is gorgeous. Plus I love the NJ accent.
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 23, 2008 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Theriot disagrees
I believe he referred to DeRo as “Hideous.”
:)
Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 23, 2008 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I take that back... it's too early in the morning
I actually thought that was Tom Cruise!
by Emelie on Aug 24, 2008 4:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think DeRo is straight
Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 24, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colby, Kansas?
Wow, as a lifetime Kansan let me be the first to apologize to have to spend the night anywhere west of Salina.
by bikemonkey on Aug 23, 2008 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's only for one night,
but driving through eastern Colorado and western Kansas has never been my favorite activity. The goal (Arkansas) will make it all worthwhile.
I do appreciate your sympathy, though. And I’m paying way too much for a motel whose idea of “high speed internet” is about 100 kbps.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Aug 23, 2008 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
home from vacation!!
did yall miss me??
2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?
by Chanman25 on Aug 23, 2008 10:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Cardinals I believe are slowing disappearing from contention
They are slowly slipping, IMO. I think when September 1st rolls around it will be a two team race between the Cubs and Brewers, which I would like much better because that would most likely assure that we make the playoffs. With the Cardinals gone, it would make it MUCH easier..
2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?
by Chanman25 on Aug 23, 2008 11:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We need the Cards to get hot for two game against the Brewers then
they can go back to sucking.
Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 23, 2008 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly winning tomorrows game is needed to just break even with Washington for the year
as a DC resident that has watched the suck that is Nationals all year that seems really odd, guess thats why they play the game.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by DC Cubbie on Aug 24, 2008 1:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
every year, things like this happen.
when the RedBirds won the WS in ’06 the Cubs had a winning record against them.
Sh^t happens. Some teams just match up better or get up for you.
In our case, I think the Cubs tend to let down against the Gnats. Let’s just hope the Cubs get their act together today and get to +30 over .500 and get to even over the Gnats. Two worthy goals!!!
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Aug 24, 2008 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You got your wish...quit complaining...
…I had to deal with a SWEEP here in Tampa..
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on Aug 24, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rates
“…walk to Alfonso Soriano — this isn’t saying much, but he’s now got 28 walks, almost equaling his total of 31 from all of last year…”
This is saying A LOT!!! Alf has 28 walks in 336 ABs. Compared to 31 walks in 579 ABs last year. That is a HUGE difference! That is a 50% increase in walks!
Reed Ballgame - best CF in the MLB
by californiachicagoan on Aug 24, 2008 10:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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