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Pregame Thread: Cubs vs. Nationals, Sunday 8/24, 1:20 CT

Washington Nationals at Chicago Cubs, Aug 24, 2008 1:20 PM CDT



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Washington Nationals
@ Chicago Cubs

Sunday, Aug 24, 2008, 1:20 PM CDT
Wrigley Field

Jason Bergmann vs Rich Harden

Mostly sunny. Winds blowing in from left field at 5-15 m.p.h. Game Time temperature: Around 75.

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In spring training last year, Lou spent much of his pregame talking hitting with Matt Murton. Now, Teacher Lou is going to have a talk with Kosuke Fukudome about his hitting woes. The Cubs are winning, and thus can carry Dome's struggling bat, but it'd be great to get him back on track.

Some of you may be worried about D-Lee's hitting troubles, but he isn't. And about all those DP's? Another good hitter, Vladimir Guerrero, is leading the major leagues with 26 GIDP.

And, calling all dentists: Z's visit to work on his cracked molar is delayed till after the Cubs get back from Pittsburgh.

Today's Starting Pitchers
Rich Harden
R.
Harden

Cubs
vs. Jason Bergmann
J. Bergmann
Nationals
8-2 W-L 2-9
2.04 ERA 4.50
151 SO 83
45 BB 33
10 HR 20
vs. Was -- vs. Cubs

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Rich Harden 3-1 7 7 0 0 0 0 42.0 26 8 7 5 14 59 1.50 .95

As usual, a reminder that the above stats are Harden's with the Cubs only -- see the pitcher box above the stat line for his combined stats.


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Jason Bergmann 2-9 21 19 1 0 0 0 116.0 126 73 58 20 33 83 4.50 1.37

Jason Bergmann is 0-2, 4.76 lifetime vs. the Cubs. No current Cub has more than 7 AB against him, so the batter/pitcher matchup data is a bit spotty. Derrek Lee has homered off him, but D-Lee left yesterday's game with back spasms (hope it's nothing serious). He has a career ERA of 4.82 and has won only one game since May. Let's keep it that way.

Meantime, Rich Harden has allowed more than one earned run in only one of his seven Cub starts. Aside from that game (August 5 vs. Houston, and the Cubs won anyway), he's given up NO runs at all in three of them, and exactly one in the other three, all on solo HR. The wind's going to be blowing in today. He's never faced the Nats, and the three players on the Nats roster who have faced him (Willie Harris, Ronnie Belliard and Cristian Guzman) are a combined 0-for-12 against him.

Today's game is on WGN and MASN; it should be on EI and thus available nationally. Also see the MLB.com Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday

Baseball-reference.com game preview

Once again, a reminder that you can find the overflow comment threads, including the first pitch thread, on the right sidebar of both the front page and any interior page in the box headed "RECENT STORIES IN GAME THREADS". Today's first pitch thread posts at 1:15 pm CT, and the overflow comment threads will post at 2:15, 3:15 and 4 pm CT, and you can use the last one for recap discussion as I am heading to a party after the game and won't likely be able to have the recap posted till after 6 pm CT.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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Mongoose to their snake

Didn’t you ever watch that cartoon?

by Craig in South Bend on Aug 24, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rikki Tikki Tavi

he killed the snake in India.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Aug 24, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The snakes names were Nag and Nagaina.

Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory

by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 24, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rich has been as good as advertised thus far.

His stuff is just vicious. And he looked phenomenal (sic?) in his last outing. If he can keep his pitch count down, and mow down batters with his usual ease, then today’s game will be enjoyable to watch. Hope D-Lee is ok.

"I sail now?" - Bob Wiley

by OmahaCub on Aug 24, 2008 10:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

D-Lee

Yes, I’m worried. He’s an important part of the team that is not performing to his career numbers. And, you said more than once this year that you were, too, Al.

There’s more to it than double-plays. He hits weak grounders. A lot. On 3-1 and 2-0 counts. He’s already tied his career high for hitting ground balls for a full season, and it’s August 24. He rarely drives the ball to RF anymore, frequently takes hitters’ pitches and questions the umpire on a lot of strikes.

It’s not like he’s scalding the ball right at people and Theriot happens to be on base when he does it.

Someone asked in that fanpost who we’d want up with the game on the line. Not Lee, not now. I’d want, in order:

Ramirez
DeRosa
Soto
Edmonds/Johnson
Lee

Look, I like Lee — a lot. He’s a good person and a solid baseball player. I wouldn’t drop him in the order just yet. I wouldn’t sit him other than to keep him fresh for the stretch run. But he’s not the Lee that we’re used to seeing — and I’m not even talking about his 2005 career year. It’s a concern, because the Cubs will need him to be able to get to where they want to go.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 24, 2008 10:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

""At the end of the day, boys, you don't tell me how rough the water is, you bring in the ship." -- Steve Stone

by kentmeister on Aug 24, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd want Theriot

Ok just kidding. I have never even posted on Theriot but it is 11.45 allready and no one has attacked him.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Aug 24, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could it be

that his back has been bothering him more than he’s let on this year?

That could be one reason for his inability to drive the ball, especially to right, as he’s done in the past.

Fortunately, it doesn’t sounds terribly serious, but a day off or two to rest the back may be good for him.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Aug 24, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

id rather have sori than lee in a big spot

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark

by preachermancubsfan on Aug 24, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weak stats?

Al’s differentiation of Harden’s and Bergmann’s stats against the other team and individual players has me wondering again. Is a pitcher’s record/ERA against a particular team not that informational given occasional roster and lineup changes, both offensively and defensively, in both dugouts? I know it’s mentioned a lot, during telecasts and whatnot, but why is it worth mentioning? If the batter/pitcher matchup data can be a bit spotty in this case, isn’t the team/pitcher matchup data spotty in almost every case?

"This field, this game...it reminds us of all that once was good, and it could be again." ~ Terence Mann

by chr15 on Aug 24, 2008 11:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

seventh?

"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti

by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 24, 2008 11:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

well...

scratch that, they reversed the order on me. I stand corrected.

Long days and pleasant nights.

by The Original Dave on Aug 24, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

GIDPs

Last year Albert Pujols and Carlos Lee both led the NL with 27 GIDPs. I’m pretty sure both of those guys are excellent hitters.

I’m not too worried about D. Lee. Yeah, he might not be the hitter was in the last few years, but he doesn’t need to be with everyone contributing the way they are. I do agree with Badger, though, that he needs to start driving the ball the other way.

And let’s hope his back spasms aren’t too bad, but if he does go on the DL, I suppose Micah Hoffpauir can be called up before September. He’s still raking in AAA, and he was hitting pretty well for the big league club when he was up earlier, and that was in limited playing time. I’m not sold on Daryl Ward playing 1B everyday, even if it’s just for a week or two.

by The Original Dave on Aug 24, 2008 11:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry folks

No AFN coverage today. I can watch the Astros/Mutts though. But I won’t.

So… what movie should I put on? I was going to watch some House episodes since I got the Seasons 1-3 box set in the mail the other day, but the damn discs are defective! I watched “Untouchables” earlier today, picked it up for 3 pounds yesterday. A great movie at a great price!

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 24, 2008 11:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

why don't you just hang out in the game thread instead?

we’re much more entertaining than any movie :D

by Emelie on Aug 24, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would I do that?

There’s noone any fun in the threads

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 24, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am curious

what region are the DVDs from?

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on Aug 24, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DVD's in the UK are region 2

I have a region-free (and dual voltage) DVD player, though.

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 24, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure about this

but DVDs have their own region don’t they?

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on Aug 24, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

There’s two factors concerning purchasing DVD’s from different countries: Picture Format, and Region coding. In the USA and Japan, the NTSC format is used, in most of the rest of the world, the PAL format is used. The two aren’t compatible with each other so your DVD player must be capable of playing both (and converting to NTSC if your TV isn’t multi-system).

On top of this, there are different regions encoded on the discs based on the country you buy them in. Region 1 is USA, Region 2 is Europe, Region 3 is Japan, etc. Typically your DVD player will only be able to handle discs for one region – the one it was sold in. This is to try to prevent DVD’s that are sold for cheap in China, etc. being imported to the US or Europe, etc.

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 24, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of the three..

Is any one better than the others?

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Aug 24, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely the same

Just a tiny code inputted into each file to prevent it from being played on other regions players.

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 24, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the real purpose of zone coding

is to protect movies that are still in theatres in parts of the world when the DVDs come out elsewhere. A lot of movies are on DVD in the US while they’re still playing in Europe, for example. No explanation for zone coding movies that have been on video worldwide though.

The PAL to NTSC thing is a pain. When I lived in Europe, it was easy to find video (VHS) players that would play NTCS tapes from home on our European PAL TV. But it was much harder to find a VCR that could play PAL tapes onto an NTSC TV. NTSC is 30 frames per second, and PAL is 25 frames per second, so I’m sure it’s much easier to “drop” every 6th frame (to make 30 fps > 25 fps) than it is to generate the “extra” frame to go the other way. I did find a unit that could do that - it handles all formats in and all formats out — but it was kind of costly. I had to go to Devon Ave. to find it, in one of the electronics stores that caters mostly to people from south Asia and the Middle East. One unit had “on-screen instructions in English and Arabic, manual in Urdu and Farsi.”

by ChipSet on Aug 24, 2008 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

didn’t mean to “strike out” that sentence. The characters between “30 fps” and “25 fps” were entered as hyphen and angle-bracket to make an “arrow”.

by ChipSet on Aug 24, 2008 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boy this must keep Interpol busy!

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on Aug 24, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another Sunday

Another day of overtime, another day where I miss the Cubs game.

At least I get to hang out here.

by Craig in South Bend on Aug 24, 2008 11:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What up everyone?

Hopefully I’ll be around tonight. Saw Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band last night in St. Louis. 3 hours 20 minutes straight. Epic.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Aug 24, 2008 12:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Opposite Problem

Watch the Cubs win today and then off to see Linkin Park.

by dedfishflote on Aug 24, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

today

the game starts in 20 minutes.

Hiyo!

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 24, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

1. Soriano
2. Theriot
3. Ramirez
4. Ward
5. DeRosa
6. Edmonds
7. Soto
8. Fontenot
9. Harden

by Donbedouin on Aug 24, 2008 12:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

no dlee and no dome

Hopefully Derrek is ok after one day off

Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs

by nji232 on Aug 24, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lou yesterday

downplayed DLee’s back spasms. For now, I’ll remain optimistic. ’Bout time he benched Dome, poor guy. I bet it was an uncomfortable conversation with Lou this morning.

by Emelie on Aug 24, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bergman

isn’t a lefty. This is a rest day. Fonty at 2nd.

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 24, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

33rd!!!!!!

Bleeding Cubbie Blue since 1985.

by Bricks and Ivy on Aug 24, 2008 12:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Let

Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 24, 2008 12:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

(woops)

’s get to 30 over!

Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 24, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha...

That too.

Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 24, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is stop number 30 (above .500)

"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Aug 24, 2008 1:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good News

Len reports DLee’s upper back spasms feel better.

by Emelie on Aug 24, 2008 1:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

but on the plus side

I have a Rt. 44 size cherry limeade from Sonic with me :)

by DWChaney on Aug 24, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Consider me jealous

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 24, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Over/Under...

…on Harden Strikeouts today?

by dedfishflote on Aug 24, 2008 1:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey everyone....

JUMP!!!!

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 24, 2008 1:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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