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Minor League Wrap--August 24

Congratulations to the Iowa Cubs.  We all hope that this isn't the last clinching night for a team named "Cubs."

Iowa Cubs

The Iowa Cubs clinched the PCL American North DIvision title tonight with a come-from-behind 5-3 victory over the Oklahoma RedHawks.

Mitch Atkins got the start and while he didn't get his eighth victory for Iowa, Atkins did keep Iowa in the game by allowing three runs over five innings.  Atkins gave up five hits, walked one and struck out three.  One of the runs charged to Atkins was unearned.

Jesse Estrada picked up the win with three strong innings of relief.  Estrada allowed only one hit and one walk.  He struck out one.  Kevin Hart struck out the side in the ninth for his fifth save, although he gave everyone a scare by allowing a two-out triple and allowing the tying run to come to the plate.

Catcher Koyie Hill hit a huge three-run home run to tie the game up in the sixth.  Hill had a 2 for 3 night with a walk.  The home run was Hill's sixteenth on the year.  Hill also scored the go-ahead run in the ninth when Andres Torres singled him home.  It was a bit of redemption for Torres, as he had made the error that led to the unearned run in the first inning.  It was also Torres' only hit of the night in five at bats.

Shortstop Luis Figueroa was 2 for 4 and scored the fifth run.

The I-Cubs will host these same Oklahoma RedHawks for the first round of the PCL playoffs, starting at Principal Park in Des Moines on September 3.

Tennessee Smokies

The Smokies didn't let the Chattanooga Lookouts see what was coming and trounced them 10-1.

Esmailin Caridad started and improved his record to 7-3 with 6.1 strong innings.  Caridad allowed only one run on six hits.  He walked one and struck out four.

Rocky Roquet continued his second half surge with a perfect ninth inning.

Right fielder Matt Camp, of all people, hit a two-run home run in the fourth inning.  Camp was 2 for 5 and scored twice.  It was Camp's first home run of the season.

Center fielder Sam Fuld is also having a nice second half.  Tonight he was 2 for 4 with a double and a walk.  Fuld scored once.  Fuld is now hitting .299 since the All-star break with a .390 OBP.

Catcher Wellington Castillo was 2 for 4 with three RBI and a run scored.  Third baseman Josh Lansford went 2 for 4 with a double, an RBI and a run scored.

Star-divide

Daytona Cubs

Mother Nature let the D-Cubs get six innings in today and they beat the St. Lucie Mets, 6-5 in six innings.

Starter Marcos Mateo pitched four innings and allowed five runs on eight hits.  He didn't walk a Met and struck out two.  One of the runs Mateo allowed was unearned.

Jayson Ruhlman got the win with 1.1 innings of relief.  He allowed only one hit and struck out two.  Mike Cooper got his second save with two-thirds of an inning of work.  Cooper gave up one hit, one walk and struck out one.

Third baseman Jonathan Mota had a big game.  He went 3 for 3 with a double and his third home run.  Mota scored twice and batted three in.  Mota also stole his sixth base on the year.

Right fielder Ryan Harvey hit his ninth home run.  Harvey was 1 for 2 with a walk.  He had one RBI and scored twice.  DH Blake Lalli was 2 for 2 with an RBI.

Today's game ended in the top of the seventh inning with no one out and two on for the D-Cubs.  A scheduled second game of the double-header was postponed because of weather.  This was Daytona's first game since Monday.

Peoria Chiefs

The Chiefs lost to the Cedar Rapids Kernels, 2-1 in 10 innings.

Chris Siegfried started and allowed one run over five innings.  Siegfried gave up five hits, walked one and struck out two.

Steve Vento got the loss when he allowed an unearned run in the tenth inning. Vento pitched two innings and allowed two hits and a walk while striking out two.

First baseman Luis Bautista was 2 for 4.

Boise Hawks

The Boise Hawks bombed the Yakima Bears, 11-5.

Andrew Cashner started and pitched four innings.  He allowed one run on five hits and three walks.  Cashner struck out five Bears.

Because Cashner didn't pitch five innings, Chris Carpenter got the win. Carpenter allowed two runs, one of which was unearned, on one hit and two walks.  Carpenter struck out two.

Drew Rundle went 2 for 4 with a walk, a double and his seventh home run on the season.  Rundle scored twice and had two RBI.

Kyler Burke went 3 for 3 with a double and three runs scored.  Marwin Gonzalez hit two doubles in a 2 for 4 night.  Gonzalez had four RBI and scored once.

Michael Brenly went 2 for 3 with a double and a walk.  Brenly scored three times and had one RBI.  He even threw out a runner trying to steal.

Ho-hum.  Josh Vitters was just 2 for 5 with an RBI.

AZL Cubs

Did not play.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation, Bleed Cubbie Blue, or Al Yellon, editor-in-chief. FanPost opinions are, however, valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.

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Pie went 1-for-3 with a walk.

In all seriousness, with Hoffpauir playing 1B I doubt he’ll get much playing time in right if the Cubs decide to bench/platoon Fukudome. Maybe the Cubs can still get something out of Pie, because I doubt Dubois or Torres much this year (or ever).

One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola

by Ryan at Cubshub on Aug 24, 2008 11:39 PM CDT   0 recs

Get to Bricktown Ballpark and AutoZone Park

If you live anywhere close to OKC, try to get to Bricktown Ballpark to see the I-Cubs play the Redhawks in the playoffs the first full weekend in September. It’s a mini-major league park, if I’ve ever seen one. It’s my 2nd favorite park below the major league level. Iowa will be at AutoZone Park in Memphis the next four days. AZP is still my favorite minor league park. It doesn’t have nearly as many seats on the second level as Bricktown. That’s why I think AZP has more of a “minor league” feel to it. That’s why I prefer AZP. Both parks are great.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 25, 2008 8:18 AM CDT   0 recs

I'm hoping

the I-Cubs make it to the Championship versus Sacramento. Raley Field is a heck of a nice park too.

Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?

by Josh77 on Aug 25, 2008 10:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't Want to Wait for 2010?

I see that the I-Cubs made a trip to Sacramento during the regular season. I imagine that Iowa won’t be back to Sac Town until 2010 for a regular season game. I hope things work out for you with the Iowa-Sac PCL championship series. I’ve got it lucky here with the I-Cubs playing eight games a year in Memphis.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 25, 2008 10:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Redhawks will be without Nelson Cruz for the playoffs...

He and his .343/.430/.705 have been called up to Texas.

Is there any hint out there as to whom the Cubs would bring up in September?

Proud recipient of a hot dog shot from the Iowa Cubs hot dog gun.

by IowaCubs- on Aug 25, 2008 10:23 AM CDT   0 recs

Probably...

… Wuertz, Hart, Pie, Hoffpauir, Koyie Hill.

Keep in mind that Iowa can call up people from Double-A if the major league Cubs call up people from them.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 25, 2008 10:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I imagine

Jake Fox will replace Micah Hoffpauir for Iowa, at least. Wellington Castillo replaces Koyie Hill. Either Sam Fuld or Tyler Colvin replacing Pie.

Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?

by Josh77 on Aug 25, 2008 10:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I doubt we'll see Guzman.

Jon Lieber will probably be activated. He was throwing on the side this weekend.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 25, 2008 1:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If Hoffpauir, why not Dubois?

The Cubs bench is stronger v. RHP than v. LHP.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Aug 25, 2008 10:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nelson Cruz

Minor league guys, PECOTA-heads, etc:

How will Nelson Cruz fare in the majors after such a ridiculous season in AAA?

by John Q Freejazz on Aug 25, 2008 10:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

PECOTA

liked Nelson Cruz even before this season. His 50% PECOTA forcast was .255/.323/.463 with 16 HRs in 400 plate appearances. If you go to the 90%, the numbers went up to .280/.351/.511.

Now the problem is, Cruz is already 28 years old. Next season he’ll technically be 28, but his birthday is on July 1, so he really just makes the cutoff for that year. If he was born a few hours earlier in 1980, he’d be considered 29 next year. So he’s already on the downside of his productive ability.

I think Cruz can be a productive major league player, but if you’re expecting an all-star after this season, you’ll be disappointed. PECOTA compares him to Dave Henderson, and the downside of Hendu’s career sounds about right to me. Maybe .280 with a .320 OBP and 15-20 HRs.

Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?

by Josh77 on Aug 25, 2008 11:16 AM CDT to parent up   1 recs

Cruz / Hoffpauir

Thanks.

Do you think there’s a decent comp to be made between Cruz and Hoffpauir? Similar age, similar stats in AAA. (Actually, as ridiculous as Cruz’s numbers have been, Hoff currently holds the lead in OPS, though Cruz has a higher OBP and especially IsoD, which I think might translate better to the majors).

What does PECOTA say about Hoffpauir?

by John Q Freejazz on Aug 25, 2008 12:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

About the same

on average and OBP but with less power and a higher injury risk. (Micah’s missed time with injuries the past three seasons.)

It’s a good comparison. If you ask me which one I’d rather have, I’d say Cruz since he’s an outfielder and is healthier. Probably better power too. Hoffpauir is left-handed, so I guess he’s got that going for him.

Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?

by Josh77 on Aug 25, 2008 1:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

OT: Pie

I didn’t want to exhaust the fanposts, so I just thought I’d throw this out here… What’s the general concensus on Pie’s stock?

I’ve only watched him in a dozen or so games this season, and I’ve been concerned with his play. His defense is clearly still there, but his bat just hasn’t impressed all season. I’m not sure what they’ve done to his swing, but it doesn’t nearly have the pop it used to. That’s just my non-professional first hand look, but is a AAA line of .283/.320/.461 worthy of a September callup? What would be the purpose of adding his bat/glove/legs to the lineup if he were to continue this pace?

Proud recipient of a hot dog shot from the Iowa Cubs hot dog gun.

by IowaCubs- on Aug 25, 2008 10:55 AM CDT   0 recs

The September call-up

is a given. I mean, what is the other option, sending him home for the winter? He’s got too much major league experience to play in the instructional leagues. I suppose he could sit on his ass until the Dominican Leagues start.

Your stats are a bit off too. Pie’s hitting .288/.331/.461 for Iowa. And since the All-star break, it’s been .330/.362/.495. That second line is certainly something that would merit a September call-up. Don’t forget, they’re not going to stick him in CF and let him play everyday. He’s mostly going to be pinch-running and being a late-inning defensive replacement. The reason to call him up is that he can help us win ballgames in that role.

I mean, there’s no doubt his stock is down. He’s had two chances to stick in the majors and he didn’t. But that doesn’t mean his stock can’t go back up again, and there’s no real reason to not call him up when the rosters expand.

Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?

by Josh77 on Aug 25, 2008 12:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I can't speak to his stock...

…or his swing, as I haven’t seen him since he was sent down, but the purpose of a September call-up is first and foremost to help the Cubs.

Even if he doesn’t get many plate appearances, he has significant value as a late-inning defensive replacement and a pinch runner, and I imagine he may also be used to keep the regulars rested and ready for the post-season romp.

by John Q Freejazz on Aug 25, 2008 12:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And in case anyone was wondering

about the depths of MDBNIU’s bias against Felix Pie, I’ve Rec’d this post for reference sake.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Aug 25, 2008 9:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Rec'd again!

Thank you.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Aug 25, 2008 9:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This comparison has been shot down more times...

…than the Iraqi air force. It’s really not even worth addressing anymore, and the fact that you keep bringing it up only reinforces your unreasonable, laughable bias against Felix Pie. FAIL.

Yes, sir!

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 26, 2008 10:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Um.

Answer is nothing… except for scouting reports and defensive metrics. I mean, are you serious? Really? Serious about this?

by cwyers on Aug 25, 2008 10:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Range, arm strength, arm accuracy, etc...

are all consistently 8-10 scouting points higher than Johnson or Edmonds.

A comparison to Patterson’s mediocre arm, average range and accuracy is unfair.

Proud recipient of a hot dog shot from the Iowa Cubs hot dog gun.

by IowaCubs- on Aug 26, 2008 9:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This is so unfathomably wrong...

…I’m going to recommend it, too.

Mothers, don’t let your children grow up to be BlueMikes.

Yes, sir!

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 26, 2008 10:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Pie has vastly better speed.

What’s more he allows you to move Edmonds/Johnson in LF for late inning D as well.

Reed Ballgame - best CF in the MLB

by californiachicagoan on Aug 26, 2008 11:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Congratulations, BlueMike.

This is the first time I’ve ever seen a post turn green with recommendations because it’s so wrong. You are truly a pioneer.

Yes, sir!

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 26, 2008 11:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Felix Pie will be gone in the offseason

Pie will never hit major league pitching. I’m convinced of that. Cubs will try to cut their losses and move him over the winter so the distraction of talking about Pie ceases. I envision his career here on out will be defined by flopping around between Triple A and the majors for several different organizations.

by MDBNIU on Aug 25, 2008 9:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's 23...

Why give up on a 23 year old with good speed, great defense and raw power? I think that his problems are institutional and not problems of his own. I have a feeling that the Cubs see his potential and are trying to snap him out of his bad habits with a shorter stride, better timing and a quicker swing. I think it’s worth holding on to that for as long as it takes.

Proud recipient of a hot dog shot from the Iowa Cubs hot dog gun.

by IowaCubs- on Aug 26, 2008 9:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Two things about Pie.

1) He has utility for the Cubs for a number of reasons.
   a) The Cubs bench needs a pinch-runner.
   b) Even if we had our eyes closed and still believed Jim Edmonds and Ken Griffey Jr are the CFs of yesteryore, Felix Pie’s defense can rest guys like Soriano and Edmonds who need to be kept fresh for the post-season.
   c) Felix Pie is still the guy who was a Top 25 Prospect and if Fukudome keeps struggling (which I don’t expect, but if…) or Edmonds injuries go beyond nagging, Pie could end up being one of our top 3 OFs.
2) Felix’s value has taken a hit such that trading him will garner only an initially disappointing return, but his talent level remains high. Consider some of the prospects ahead of Felix on the 2005 BA Top Prospect list: Delmon Young, Ian Stewart, Casey Kotchman, Lastings Milledge, Jason Kubel, Jeremy Hermida, Carlos Quentin, J.J. Hardy – every one of those guys had disappointing seasons between 2005 and now, but have also shown in various degrees why they were top prospects. Look, in particular, at the age 22/23 seasons of Hermida and Hardy – it took those guys time to establish themselves. Developing prospects takes patience.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Aug 25, 2008 9:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Except that Felix Pie is no longer a serious major league prospect

Look up a recent hotshot prospect by the name of Alex Escobar. In Escobar you will find apt comparative for Felix Pie.

by MDBNIU on Aug 26, 2008 8:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Felix isn't a "prospect" because he's played too many games at the majors.

Regardless, my point was that plenty of serious prospects lose their prospect status before realizing their potential.

Ian Stewart fell off at least one Top 100 Prospect list going into this year. Now Colorado is talking of trading Garrett Atkins.

Casey Kotchman looked worthless after 2004 and 2006. Now he got traded for Mark Teixeira.

Carlos Quentin’s numbers looked like Pie’s last year. Now he’ll get MVP votes.

But, good for you. You know the name of one prospect who didn’t pan out and the fact that one prospect didn’t pan out certainly proves that 23-yr old Felix Pie will never pan out.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Aug 26, 2008 8:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Apparently the Arizona Diamondbacks

took MDBNIU’s advice last winter… when they traded away Carlos Quentin

I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008

by SackMan on Aug 26, 2008 9:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Bet that's what D'backs fans said last year about Quentin.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 26, 2008 10:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Instead of going with Quentin

they signed a veteran who was past his best years in Eric Byrnes. Now Byrnes is injured. What are the odds that if the Cubs took Edmonds over Pie in 2009, that it would be a replay of the D’backs situation?

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Aug 26, 2008 12:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think you have me confused with someone else.

Natt Murton’s not one of my “favorites.” I always rooted for Murton as one of those guys you love to see surprisingly succeed, but he’s hardly someone I’ve advocated to “get a chance.”

Really, though, your misunderstanding of my perspective is emblematic of why you’re so wrong on Pie. It’s not about “favorites.” You think it’s about which players we like or don’t like. You don’t like Pie, so you don’t want to play him. You don’t like him to the point that you’re even able to close your eyes to his defensive ability.

For me it’s about gambling on upside, regardless of who the player is. Once you have your established offensive core, and the Cubs clearly have, it would’ve been better last year to gamble on the upside of Soto than to play Kendall; it would’ve been better this year to gamble on the upside of Pie than to play Johnson v. RHP. That’s, in fact, why I immediately supported the gamble on Edmonds once it was clear Pie wasn’t going to get a chance. Edmonds had upside. That’s what’s so ironic about this tired line you’ve thrown out – Murton is the opposite of what I keep advocating – he’s a player with his uses, but not an upside play at all.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Aug 26, 2008 10:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Your well-reasoned argument will likely...

…fall on BlueMike’s deaf ears. But I appreciate what you’re saying and agree.

Yes, sir!

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 26, 2008 11:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

why are people still rec'ing these

when they are on the front page?

/ just wondering

the pink hat guy is my father

by joeschmitt on Aug 25, 2008 11:23 AM CDT   0 recs

I've been trying to get them out of the rec list.

Technical issue. Hopefully, it’ll be resolved. Some of the recs may be being given BEFORE I put it on the front page.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 25, 2008 1:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh they are

I’ve seen these hit the recommended list before I go to bed. Not that I’m complaining . . .

Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?

by Josh77 on Aug 25, 2008 1:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i know, but

i was more wondering why people are rec’ing them, not why you haven’t gotten them off the rec list.

the pink hat guy is my father

by joeschmitt on Aug 26, 2008 11:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, since no one else has said it...

…let me be the first: CONGRATS TO THE I-CUBS ON CLINCHING THEIR DIVISION. As goes Iowa, so goes Chicago…we hope.

Yes, sir!

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 25, 2008 3:12 PM CDT   0 recs

It's just a shame that Matt Murton

couldn’t be a part of this championship. j/k

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Aug 25, 2008 9:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Esmailin Caridad

he his really intriging to me 22 year old signed out of dominican this winter really pitching well for tennessee i definitly have my eye on him

Life's a garden, dig it.

by easyaspie on Aug 25, 2008 6:06 PM CDT   0 recs

He actually

pitched, briefly, for the Hiroshima Carp last season. Like Fonzie, he’s a product of the Carp’s Dominican Baseball Academy.

Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?

by Josh77 on Aug 25, 2008 10:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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