Cubs Postgame Show: Mariotti Resigns from Sun-Times
by CubbyBlues on Aug 26, 2008 10:23 PM CDT
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PrintHaven't seen or heard anything else about this, they just reported it on cubs central postgame show.
Can't imagine too many people will be sad to see him go. While I think he is a capable sports writer, I think most share my opinion that he has long been unfairly hostile towards the cubs and cubs fans - especially poking fun at the 100-yr World Series situation...whatever. I'd like to see everyone's thoughts on Jay and his decision to leave Chicago.
Good luck i guess, jay, and here's to positive enforcement for our Cubbies! Whan an INSANE GAME TONIGHT!!!! 14-9, wow...
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this is heaven sent
if its true
from the mouth of Uecker:
"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."
Looks official....
Sun-Times and Tribune reporting it….
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
Hooray!
What a great day.
The critical thing to understand is that major-league pitchers don't appear to have the ability to prevent hits on balls in play. There are many possible reasons why this is the case, and I don't really have a concrete idea as to why it is.
But the one thing I do know is that it is the case.
--Voros McCracken
true it is
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-080826mariotti-resigns,1,1156930.story
sounds like he only recently discovered that the print media is no longer possible…I guess he must not read the Sun-Times business section too often (or any business section, considering the rather broad coverage of the decline of the newspaper industry.) so he’s quitting and going to try to find a job with a website. with all the turmoil at espn.com, I’m guessing he’s going to angle for a job there, considering his prior relationship doing tv stuff.
print media is no longer *profitable*
not possible. a freudian slip of a brain fart
by PrincetonCubs on Aug 26, 2008 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
He very rarely had an original thought.
Just a snotty delivery. He won’t be missed as much as he thinks he will be.
Zorn owned him two year ago regarding his White Sox columns...
…he flip-flopped worse than a politician. He will not be missed.
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
How come he resigned?
was it a “save face” fired?
2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?
He can get picked up
by the worldwide leader and go harass the yankees and sox.
by chitownhawkeye on Aug 26, 2008 10:57 PM CDT reply actions
I think he is right...
…that the newspaper business is in dire straits, but I also think that is the only reason the Sun Times tolerated him. The guy is a complete moran, but he drew attention and that is what the paper wanted.
Since I rarely read any of his garbage, I really won’t notice that he is gone.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Whoa.
Can’t wait to see the fallout from this.
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 26, 2008 11:10 PM CDT reply actions
I never thought he was unfairly hostile to Cubs fans...it's more like he was hostile
towards everyone. I can’t imagine that many of his peers respect him after his B.S. antics where he tried o justify his crusade against Ozzie by claiming his peers were essentially Ozzie’s bootlicks. Maybe he got a better gig elsewhere, but I have to think that his divisiveness towards his peers and his glaring prejudice led to this.
I agree with this.
His job was to stir up controversy, and the fact that we are talking about him proves that he actually did it well.
The Sun-Times, already in trouble, will miss him. The rest of us, not so much.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
This.
As much as I disagreed w/ many of his opinions I’d be lying if I said his article wasn’t my first Times read every morning. He pushed the enveloped w/ every column and people ate it up. And despite his departure, let’s not forget the Times already has someone waiting in the wings to stir something new up everyday in Greg Couch. And FWIW, he did seem to have his Cubby chubby out for the majority of this year. But this had to be expected, seeing as even his fellow columnists were anxious to engage in fisticuffs w/ him. That being said, I say Good Riddance.
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
Good.
He can’t find things to bitch about our team when we make the playoffs.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
ESPN will give his asinine jive a national stage
Hopefully the Cubs can make him eat some crow
by dr stabbingworth on Aug 27, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Has to be a story behind the story..
just today he was picking a new feud with Jerry Angelo, since Rex is banished to the bench.
I didn’t care enough to find out which rock he crawled out from under, but I always thought he was perfect for New York (not at all Midwestern).
And now Telander can take his rightful spot as undisputed lead sports columnist at the Times…
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 26, 2008 11:58 PM CDT reply actions
He's from Pennsylvania
He also went to school in Ohio, and has ties to ESPN, Cincinnati and Denver.
If I had to guess, I’d say he’s done in Chicago given his rivalry with multiple members of the White Sox.
He wont be back in Denver, as he once called John Elway a punk and received death threats.
I’d guess he’ll find his way either a.) onto ESPN Radio, b.) ESPN TV doing stuff for some of the various 2nd tier shows, or c.) The Big Ten Network.
(I checked wikipedia because I was curious, I didnt know that off the top of my head.)
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola
by Ryan at Cubshub on Aug 27, 2008 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Story behind the story
is probably not as sexy as you think. I’m going to guess he’s headed toward the end of a contract. He probably was well-compensated. Perhaps a renewal would have been at a much lower rate. The S-T is in terrible shape. It might be gone within a year or two. The Trib and the Herald (probably Southtown, too) will be the remaining dailies in Chicago.
So, why go down with a sinking newspaper? He’s getting out while he can.
Everybody here wants to read ‘feuds,’ ‘rivalry’ and the like, but that’s not reality. The failing newsprint business is the real story, and the S-T will eventually be a casualty.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 27, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
according to the story in the trib...
he had just signed a three year extension with the s-t
That, and not everyone wants to read 'feuds', etc...
I hate tabloid journalism. Though I’ll admit there’s a fair chance I’m in the minority here.
Just a couple of years ago the S-T investigative unit was en fuego with exposing various and sundry local corruption “Operation Silver Shovel”, city hall hiring practices, the hired truck scam, etc. Guess those days are over now, it’s been awhile.
I knew you’d never get that in the Trib because they need to be in bed with Daley and Co. to get stuff like more night games, the bleacher expansion.
Local politics aside, I think the S-T could manage to outlive even the Trib, just because of the fix the Tribune will be in when Zell finishes selling off every profit-making subsidiary of the company (and then leaves the hollow husk of the newspaper business in the hands of the employees)…
But we’ll see.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 27, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
wow - if the Trib is in bed with Daley and Co...
…then John Kass must be the proverbial red-headed step-child who is locked out of the house every night and is forced to sleep in the garage.
I realize in theory that a newspaper is not suppose to hold sway over the writings of their columnists, but I would guess that if the Trib is in bed with Daley as you suggest, the Trib would have found some way over the years to tone down, handcuff or otherwise constrain Kass’ efforts. Have you read his columns? He is one royal PITA to just about everyone in the Daley administration. Not bad for a Sox fan…. ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Contracts, as I have learned
are made to be broken. I’m sure Mariotti’s agent had plenty of ‘out’ clauses written into his deal, since the paper’s a sinking ship.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 28, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I wish I knew how to post video links...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnHksDFHTQI
Dome-san!!
by Goat Whisperer on Aug 27, 2008 12:03 AM CDT reply actions
i'm sad...i actually liked marioti
He spoke his mind and didn’t care what others thought. Nowadays too many people worry about offending others or the outlash of fans who don’t agree with things that are said. Mariotti could care less if you were a cubs fan, a sox fan, a bears owner or anything; if you did something wrong in his eyes, he would tell the world about it. So i hope Mariotti gets back on his feet and does well. Good luck to him.
There's a difference between...
…speaking your mind using a well-reasoned argument and blurting out anything you feel will get a rise out of people, whether it’s supported or not. I get the sense most people here (and at both Chicago ball parks, apparently) feel he did the latter rather than the former.
I agree...
…and I always felt a journalist has an obligation to investigate the truth (reasonably) before they write something. Nothing wrong with giving an opinion, but if that opinion is void of any attempt at getting the facts, than you really are just a tabloid writer trying to get a reaction.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
True, however...
… being a tabloid writer trying to get a reaction was his job. And he did it well, because look — here we are discussing him even after he’s left that job.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I agree...
…and mentioned before, that he wouldn’t have survived 15-20 years ago when newspapers were not hurting as they are now.
He did what he was supposed to do, and IMO, what he did required a heck of a lot less talent and integrity than those that don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Rumor has it...
… that he bailed because he thinks the Sun-Times is about to fold. He had just signed a three-year contract extension. I’m guessing he wanted out to look for other work because his Sun-Times money was or is about to end.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Could be...
…a big part of it. I also think he pissed off so many people (many in his own profession) that this started to take a toll on him.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
It's hard to disagree.
I suppose I was taking umbrage with the idea that someone who simply “spoke his mind and didn’t care what others thought” was worthy of admiration more than commenting on the sort of job Mariotti did. You’re right — he did the job he was paid to do, and did it well.
He excelled at war mongering in sports writing and didn't care if he offended anyone...
…on this I agree. But he wasn’t objective and his gross exaggerations and prejudices devalued his independent aspect.
I am not a fan of Angelo, Reinsdorf or Guillen, but I se no value in carrying a sportswriter’s personal feud with them through his story and to such an extreme. A writer should have some credibility even if he wants to be taken seriously as an editorial or as satire. Mariotti quickly moves to demonizing and staying there regardless of how foolish he appears and how many times he contradicts himself. A writer must have some degree of integrity and credibility if he expects people to view him as the “conscience” for something.
Marriotti could not go to TV and do what say a Jim Rome does. If Chris Everett had punched out Rome that day it wouldn’t have changed how Rome did his job, and he’s one of the rare guys who is respected by athletes in general and still does not pander for their approval. Mariotti will just hide behind the camera and call people names.
My guess is that for all of his bashing of China, that the Chinese Government recognized true propaganda talent and made him and offer that he couldn’t refuse. He’ll soon have a story line in Beijing denouncing America and the capitalist pigs of the world.
It was Jim Everett
He went after him for calling his Chris Everett. Still one of my all time favorite moments. Jim Rome so had it coming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HNgqQVHI_8
"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"
rome
has a spine and set. mariotti has neither. he’ll fit right in at espn.
from the mouth of Uecker:
"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."
His whole job was to be hostile
He was just trying to build a rep, but instead of earning him respect, it turned him into a caricature. I heard he has no friends because of this, so I guess he’s a sad little man in his personal life as well as his professional life.
this season
just keeps getting better.
from the mouth of Uecker:
"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."
This is fantastic news!
The Sun-Times must have read his Olympics columns. He could have written all of them, with the exception of the Great Wall trip, from his house in Chicago.
Great use of the thousands of dollars it cost to send him.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
I wonder what took so long?
After I figured out what he was about, writing whatever he thought would make the most controversy, I quit reading his columns years ago.
A good day for me is a cubs win and a sox loss.
good riddance
He was the designated a**hole of the Sun Times sports section. Unfortunately, every paper has one now. Their job is just to stir up controversy, no matter whether they believe what they are writing or not.
It just shows to what depths the newspaper business has sunk.
Regarding DLee's comments in the Trib column
this morning (since I believe the other thread was deleted) just as I was about to say let’s move on, DLee gets me all riled up again. Please tell me he was holding a flashing SARCASM sign during his comments. No need to rant, but c’mon.
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
What did DLee say?
Don’t get the Trib
The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball.
by Weeghman Park on Aug 27, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I wish that thread had been deleted ...
…before I spent the time to make my (pointedly nonpolitical) closing remarks. But, yeah, DLee’s comments were a little disappointing. I’m guessing he’s an Obama supporter, though, and was just trying to cut him some slack. DLee did add:
“I think we have great fans and they love baseball.”
But I’ve come to conclusion that the sooner this story goes away, the better – for everyone involved (including us).
Yes, sir!
Thanks for the link
Seems a lot of commotion for nothing really.
The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball.
by Weeghman Park on Aug 27, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Derrek just lost my vote
As much as I like Lee, he’s one of the more “whiny” ones when it comes to fans booing.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 27, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
In my old west side neighborhood we'd have referred to Jay as..
..a jagoff..
The classy Cincinnati Reds: " (Josh) Hamilton acknowledges that he sensed some resentment in the locker room from three or four players." SI-May 2008
According to deadspin.com
Mariotti had a hissy fit. He wanted to write about Obama’s comments on Cubs fans, but the S-T folks said it was Rick Telander’s turn to write and Telander wanted to write on Obama.
Mariotti’s story is that the Sun-Times is dying, and may be folding by the end of the year. www.thebiglead.com
He was asked why he’d resign now, when there was a possibility of a Cubs-White Sox series.
He said:
1) How do you know the Sun-Times will be here then?
2) How do you know I won’t be somewhere else?
He resigned AFTER signing a lucrative contract and apparently with no buyout package. If you believe this was some major epiphany about newspapers and Internet, you’re mistaken.
This was a hissy fit. He probably thought the paper wouldn’t take his resignation.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
I have little doubt...
…that there is much more to this than him thinking the Sun Times is going down. If that was the case, his opinion should have been the same 3 months ago when he signed an extension.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Nobody's that stupid.
This isn’t an episode of “Lou Grant.”
For those of you a bit younger…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Grant_(TV_series)
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 28, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
+ ONE MILLION
I was just going to post that. Could not agree with you MORE. Now I can listen to the radio AND read the newspaper! WHOO-HOO!!!
GO CUBS!!!
Wait a minute... who am I here?
Wow
more reason to prove this is the year!
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying" - Michael Jordan, the one and only...
I personally like Mariotti
Yea he is kind of a jagbag but he is one of the best writers in the country. Most people, whether you like to admit it or not, pick up the newspaper and read his article first. Why?? Because what he has to say is a) what is going on at that very moment, no long term grudges or love, he writes what he sees at the moment, and b) he is saying what is in the back of alot of peoples minds, which is why people are always arguin over what he says, he grabs peoples attention and causes debate. That is a sign of a great journalist.
And for all the people who think that he just likes to bash the cubs, turn around and look what he does with the white sox. The same thing, but he does give the teams love when they deserve it, while pointing out a few negative aspects of the ballclub. Thats just a chicago sports fan who is a great writer, we are all cubs fans but alot of people hate on things that are going on even in a great season, so he is no different then alot of people here, other then the fact that he is a great writer.
I wish Mariotti the best of luck, I hope to continue seeing him on Around The Horn at the very least.
"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes
by SouthsideCUBSfan on Aug 28, 2008 2:53 PM CDT reply actions
Eric Zorn's take...
The “windsock”… priceless.
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
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