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Hello Soto: Cubs 14, Pirates 9

Well, that was about the most whacked-out game I've seen in quite some time. Consider:

  • Carlos Zambrano started the game by throwing a wild pitch on strike three, walked four, allowed eight hits, made a throwing error, smashed a couple of Gatorade coolers, and didn't last long enough to win.
  • Alfonso Soriano dropped a fly ball -- this time after dark -- just as he did in the sunshine May 25 in this same ballpark. What are they putting on that LF grass, anyway? (Later, when he caught a routine fly ball, he exhibited what can only be called, pardon the mild profanity, a shit-eating grin.) Soriano, for his part, did have three hits and a stolen base for positive contributions last night.
  • Kerry Wood had a brain fart and failed to cover first base on a grounder to Derrek Lee, allowing Nyjer Morgan to reach base. (Morgan had earlier been caught stealing when his foot came off second and he was tagged out by Ryan Theriot after reaching on a bunt single off Sean Marshall in the 7th.)
  • Jeff Samardzija and Neal Cotts weren't very good, allowing the Pirates to re-take the lead after the Cubs had overcome a 3-0 first-inning deficit.

And none of that mattered in the end, as the Cubs annihilated the Bucs 14-9 on the strength of Geovany Soto's best game of his career -- Soto smacked his 20th HR, breaking Randy Hundley's team record for HR by a rookie catcher, and also hit two bases-clearing doubles for a career-high, and Cub season high, seven RBI. The Cubs now have four players with at least 77 RBI (D-Lee drove in his 77th last night) and have a real shot at having four with over 90.

That makes the Cubs' record vs. Pittsburgh this year 13-4, and in six of the 13 wins, they have scored ten or more runs. (Can we arrange to play these guys a few more times in September?) The 82nd win of the year clinched a winning season for the Cubs, the earliest calendar date on which they have done that since 1929, when in a 154-game schedule they won their 78th game on August 23 (in 1969 they won #82 on August 30, the earliest they did so in the 162-game era before last night). I wrote yesterday that a win last night would give the Cubs ten straight series wins -- that isn't correct; the win gives them nine consecutive series wins, but the rest of what I posted is right. No Cub team has done this since 1907.

They're 21-6 in those nine series. They're 24-8 since Alfonso Soriano came off the DL on July 23. Since losing to the Cardinals on August 9 they're 12-3 (and two of the three losses were by 2-1 scores).

It's all good, though I worry a little bit about Z, who, as last August, has been shaky this month. Even Z himself is aware of this:

"I have to eliminate August. Once I get past August, everything will be back to normal," Zambrano said. "I was thinking about that after the game. Last August wasn't that good, but I was able to come back, and September and October were good for me. So it's nothing to worry about."

Zambrano said he's just having problems with his delivery. He was fighting himself on the mound, emotionally if not physically.

Maybe he's a little too aware. Z will have one more start in August, on Sunday the 31st. Let's hope he can turn the calendar page one day early.

In the meantime, let's sweep this series -- weather permitting. I'll have the pregame thread up at 10:30 CDT.

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firrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrst!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by graceunderpressure on Aug 27, 2008 8:26 AM CDT   0 recs

Now that that is out of the way.........

Cubs Win, Hell Yes, BUT….

This is now the official STOP THE HOP thread!

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by graceunderpressure on Aug 27, 2008 8:27 AM CDT   0 recs

oy.

lay off the hop. It’s not the HOP.

In the replay, you can clearly see that Soriano takes his eyes off the ball. THAT is why he dropped it. The hop is irrelevant.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2008 9:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 27, 2008 9:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

as soon as that happened i started thinking about the ways i would defend sori on this board

by cubswynn on Aug 27, 2008 9:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

well

let’s be clear — I’m not defending him here. He dropped the ball because he looked away, and he shouldn’t have done it.

But it wasn’t the hop.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2008 9:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+2

Plus, without the drop we wouldn’t have gotten to see his embarassed “1 out” gesture to the WHOLE TEAM later on. That was pretty funny.

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by neverAcquiesce on Aug 27, 2008 9:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not to start something, but.....

think back to when we all played ball (pause for thinking back)

changing your field of vision at the last minute (stupid hop) is NEVER a good thing

It is stupid and it should make you feel the same way you feel when you see the Brewers untuck after a win.

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by graceunderpressure on Aug 27, 2008 9:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

no one's

asking you to do it.

You can’t possibly be suggesting that Sori change something like that THIS LATE in the season.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2008 9:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

so we aren't asking Z to make an adjustment this late in the season?

he is pro ball player, Yes I would go up to him and say hey, can stop freaking hopping.

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by graceunderpressure on Aug 27, 2008 9:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

plus.....

what is the risk in him changing it, the risk he might suck defensively?

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by graceunderpressure on Aug 27, 2008 10:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

it's the sort of thing

you do when a player is failing.

You gonna tell me Sori is failing right now?

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2008 10:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He IS failing as a leftfielder.........

he is a late inning liability and you’re telling me he is that unathletic. I’m just saying there is no point to it. I just love the thought of having to take him out of the line up in a close game, lose his offense, because he has the attention span of a gnat in the outfield.

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by graceunderpressure on Aug 27, 2008 10:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Where

exactly, did I say he is unatheletic?

He is NOT failing as a left-fielder. You are projecting, sir, and I am done with this sub-thread.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2008 10:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Before you're done.....

Just someone tell me why it is necessary?

Do you like the Brewers Untucking?
Do you like Albert Puljols pointing to the sky?
Did you like Sammy’s hop hop?

It is all crap that we all hate except he is on our team.

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by graceunderpressure on Aug 27, 2008 10:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't like it either

But I would not try to change it on August 27th.

Current temperature in hell: 44 degrees F - and falling!

by wnielsen on Aug 27, 2008 10:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

last post on this

because you requested it.

I’m not sure what you refer to about the Brewers Untucking. They are required to meet uniform requirements by MLB; I remember Gagne being told he had to tuck his shirt. There’s no rule in the uniform code about hopping.

Albert Puljols points to the sky? So does Z. So does Cedeno. So do a whole ton of players. A lot of foot-ball players pray when they make a touchdown. So?

Sammy’s Hip-hop — you mean when he hit a home run? I loved it when he did that. It was his Move.

Sori’s hop when he catches a ball is something that HE says HE uses for timing to catch the ball. There is NO EVIDENCE that it effects his ability to catch the ball; that one in PITT earlier in the season was from the sun, he was crouched way down on the ground. The one in St. Louis, he missed utterly. The one last night , HE TOOK HIS EYE OFF THE BALL.

All that aside…

You don’t make your all-star player, best hitter on the team, practically the fastest runner, with the best steal percentage change his routine on AUGUST FREAKING TWENTY SEVENTH WHEN YOU HAVE THE BEST RECORD IN BASEBALL!

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2008 10:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Mornin', drew

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Aug 27, 2008 10:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hi, Dan!

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2008 10:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Didn't recognize you

I ususally look at the pictures before I look at the screen names.

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by dtpollitt on Aug 27, 2008 10:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I notice

that my red avatar really stood out. This one is more blue.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2008 10:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Glad to see you a supporter of the blues

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by dtpollitt on Aug 27, 2008 10:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

When the Brewers win

They untuck their shirts on the way to the infield to exchange high fives, etc. Apparently this gets other teams (especially the Cards) upset.

Me – the game is over. I don’t really see what the big deal is.

Current temperature in hell: 44 degrees F - and falling!

by wnielsen on Aug 27, 2008 10:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Bizarro BCB covers this in detail

Current temperature in hell: 44 degrees F - and falling!

by wnielsen on Aug 27, 2008 10:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Here is a decent link

Here

Current temperature in hell: 44 degrees F - and falling!

by wnielsen on Aug 27, 2008 10:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

wtf?

who CARES?

It’s like the outfield bop our guys do at the end of a game. Oy.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2008 10:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thank You for replying

I guess we disagree

"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus

by graceunderpressure on Aug 27, 2008 10:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

All those things you mentioned

are celebrations, just like the Cubs’ outfielder bump. Fonzie’s hop, as far as I know, is a mental thing he feels he needs to do to catch the ball. Just like a batter might always have to tap the plate three times, or a pitcher won’t step on the chalk line to and from the dugout.

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by neverAcquiesce on Aug 27, 2008 10:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Where would you put him then?

Second? Short? Left field is really the only option.

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by neverAcquiesce on Aug 27, 2008 10:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

my point is... I would keep him where he is at

but ask for him to be better. We aren’t talking about Prince Fielder here or Chris Duncan. He is athletic, he can be better.

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by graceunderpressure on Aug 27, 2008 10:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

but we know what we’re getting with Fonzie: an average fielder who’s gonna make mistakes, but who can more than make up for it at the plate and will, at times, single-handedly carry this team offensively.

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by neverAcquiesce on Aug 27, 2008 10:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Funny

I haven’t heard as much discussion or complaining about Soriano’s faults since we’ve been 24-8 after his return. Out of the woodwork they come.

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by dtpollitt on Aug 27, 2008 10:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

blue mike got booted ......

but why should it be so wrong to point out something like this. No one will concede the fact that if he was on another team we would rip him incessantly

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by graceunderpressure on Aug 27, 2008 10:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He got booted?

As in “banned”?

Yes, sir!

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 27, 2008 10:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah last week i think

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by graceunderpressure on Aug 27, 2008 10:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He still rears his head every once in

while. He’sout there lurking, you can believe that.

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 27, 2008 10:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

THANK YOU

i thought maybe i was taking CRAZY pills like mugato

by cubswynn on Aug 27, 2008 10:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, if that news was true...

…I was going to have some work to do. Renting out McCormack Place for an open-bar celebration doesn’t just happen overnight, y’know.

Yes, sir!

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 27, 2008 10:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This makes me sad :(

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by dtpollitt on Aug 27, 2008 10:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

what did he do last week?

i really don’t know the history behind that guy, but i know everyone loved to bash him

by cubswynn on Aug 27, 2008 10:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't remember all the details,

but I think the word ‘dumbass’ was used by him roughly 8 times…

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by Trey2317 on Aug 27, 2008 10:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

he hasn't posted much about Sori

since the call to have him publicly humiliated after the long look at the single off the wall.

Sori’s been too good.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2008 10:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I was fully expecting...

…and anti—Soriano fanpost from him this morning. He disappoints me.

Yes, sir!

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 27, 2008 10:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If Z needs to make an adjustment

it’s one that clearly effects his ability to pitch.

The hop doesn’t do that for Sori.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2008 10:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

because Sori doesn't pitch?

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by graceunderpressure on Aug 27, 2008 10:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No - because Z has inadventently made an adjustment

And he needs to get back to where he was before he made this unintentional adjustment.

Sori will be Sori – we know what we are getting. Asking him to stop hopping now is asking for more trouble than we have now. It can easily throw off his timing.

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by wnielsen on Aug 27, 2008 10:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

it doesn't effect his

ability to play.

Give this up. Sori is never going to be a gold-glove outfielder, but he’s actually been doing quite well lately — he runs for pop-ups, he’s been moving back pretty well, and ONE MISTAKE…

I eagerly await your prescriptive solution for Riot when the line drive goes past his out-stretched fingers.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2008 10:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But the hop didn't cause the noncatch.

It was taking his eyes off the ball to eye the runner at first.

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by neverAcquiesce on Aug 27, 2008 10:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I appreciated

the shit eating grin he got on his face when he caught the pop up by LaRoche later in the game. It almost looked like he started smiling before he caught the ball.

When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo

by gwood on Aug 27, 2008 9:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

he was happy about it.

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by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2008 9:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He knew what he was gonna get.

That’s why he, seemingly, looked to every teammate to hold up one finger, as if to say, “I got it, guys, I got it.”

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by neverAcquiesce on Aug 27, 2008 10:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Aug 27, 2008 10:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Amen.

I was frustrated to no end just as everyone else was and had flashbacks of that other game in Pittsburgh going through my head. And it lead to runs which really sucked at the time. But all’s well that end’s well, and he did, in fact, keep a run from scoring with that strike throw to Geo to hold the runner on third.

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by neverAcquiesce on Aug 27, 2008 10:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I did. :D

He gets a lot of crap for his mental mistakes in left, and rightfully so: he’s far from the best fielder in baseball. But, as I stated above, he more than makes up for it offensively and that is why we signed him in the first place.

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by neverAcquiesce on Aug 27, 2008 10:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Totally agree.

In this article, Gordon Wittenmyer describes the hop as “unnecessary.” I disagree – I think it’s something Soriano does to feel comfortable and maintain his timing. Therefore, it is necessary – though, admittedly, a bit nervewracking and unsightly at times.

In any case, Alfonso dropped that ball because he assumed it was already within the confines of his glove – causing him to close the glove too early – and he glanced down at the runner.

Yes, sir!

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 27, 2008 10:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm officially done with this (stop the applause)

everyone is treating him like a little league outfielder. “we are just lucky he doesn’t hurt himself out there” I will never be convinced that the hop helps him do squat out there. It goes against any sound mechanics and any logical reasoning. We all will never let Brant Brown, Andre Dawson, so on and so on live down their miscues. People make mistakes, but at least they weren’t hopping around like jack rabbits while doing it. I have ruined my own morning with this crap. But it has been fun none the less

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by graceunderpressure on Aug 27, 2008 10:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Al

Najir was thrown out at Second in the 7th. He took Second in the 9th on Fielder indifference.

"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey

by TheRiot Police on Aug 27, 2008 8:27 AM CDT   0 recs

It was right after a bunt single

versus Marshall

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by gwood on Aug 27, 2008 8:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Confusing!

See how whacked-out that game was?

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by Al on Aug 27, 2008 8:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll fix the post to reflect that.

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by Al on Aug 27, 2008 8:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You may also add that the Cubs are averaging almost 9 runs a game on the road since ASG

That the Cubs were 9 games below .500 and now 2 over .500 on the road a move of 11 games against the league where since the final game of the D-Backs series where they lost the first two are 12-1 on the road, their only blemish in FL where they lost 2-1.

You may also add that now 3 Cubs have 20 HR’s, with three within sites, Lee (18) DeRosa (17) and Edmonds (16)

Cubs lead the league in walks taken and now have reached the ’69 Cubs high water mark.

Cubs vie for their 11 series sweep, THEIR 4TH on the ROAD and second against the Pirates this year!

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Aug 27, 2008 10:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Whacked-out game

One of the few things the Pirates announcers said that wasn’t completely asinine was:

“This is TV — you can’t hide it: this is one of the worst-played ballgames I’ve ever seen.”

by John Q Freejazz on Aug 27, 2008 10:30 AM CDT