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Resting the Rotation in September

Sorry if this has been posted somehwere before, although I did a search and didn't find anything...chalk it up to a newbie perhaps...

Although the Cubs have had some really stellar performances out of the rotation all year, my thoughts concerning some rest during the final month are as follows...

1.) Keeping some arms free and fresh by allowing them to start only four games each.

2.) Spot starting Marshall, Gaudin, Samardzija, Lieber (if healthy) during these stretches, or any other pitcher called up during the 40 man expansion.

3.) Letting Marquis start his usual number.

4.) The schedule has us down for 25 games in September, that gives us 16 starts with Zambrano, Dempster, Lilly and Harden, meaning we would need about 5 from Marquis (21), then if we can squeeze two from Marshall (23) and find 2 more, we would have some very well rested starters going into post season.

I also think Lou needs to rest DLee (3 or 4 days in a row, such as the last game of a series, and off day, and the first game of teh next series) and have a nice talk with him once Micah Hoffpauir re-joins the club. Outside of his almost lazy approach at the plate the last couple of months, and the near record GIDP's he is on pace for, he easily makes that scoop last night on Rami's throw if he is awake and alert. Trying to pull the outside pitch with a man on first is gonna result in the 6-4-Lee double play every time.

I also wouldn't hesitate to throw Reed Johnson in Right field more often and rest Fukudome a bunch during September.

AT 17-6 in August so far, things are rolling right along, but come September, we have only 9 home vs 16 road, and a tough stretch the last 13, with STL and MIL in town for 3 each before we hit the road for 4 against the Mets and the last series at Wrigley North.

 

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At some point

our rotation will have to be lined up for october, knock on wood. I’m not ready to declare who should open a series, pitch second, etc. yet.I think there are a lot of games to win and Lou will not get careless with rest and skippped starts until things start to open up more. As I’ve said many times, we need to go into the playoffs sharp, focused and tenacious. Anything less in a short series we could be done.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Aug 27, 2008 9:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Shorten Up Starters After 9/18

If the Cubs are still up by five or more games after the September 16-18 Brewers series, limiting the starters (other than Harden) to no more than 100 pitches per start and limiting Harden to 90 pitches per start would be the way to go. We could give extra innings in the bullpen to Wuertz, Guzman, and Lieber. The Cubs have a lot of work to do to maintain the lead over the Brewers before they can worry about lessening the work load of the starting pitchers.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 27, 2008 10:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting ideas

1) I would be less inclined to give DLee rest for Hoffpauir than to use Fontenot at 2B and DeRosa at 1B. Unless I’m mistaken about DeRosa’s defense at 1B, that ends up being defensively stronger (and therefore goes along with resting our pitchers by making them get less outs). It also puts in play a bat that will be useful in the playoffs. Finally, Fontenot deserves an extended shot to see if he will have a larger role on future Cub teams.
2) Fukudome – the time to rest him was earlier in the season. Lou failed to do that. Now we have a difficult line to walk with resting him and re-energizing his bat. At this point, it’s more important to do the latter, although the two tasks may not be mutually exclusive.
3) Reed in RF – whomever Lou is likely to play in RF more often in the playoffs does indeed need time out there. If it’s just going to be Dome every inning of every game, this isn’t a big deal. In fact, that’s probably the way to go. But thinking about the playoff roster, the player who adds the most if you gain a spot from a pitcher not making the roster, is Felix Pie, given his speed. Lou needs to decide now who will get innings in RF if he sits Dome – will it be Pie, Reed, or Edmonds? Whomever it is needs time to learn Wrigley’s RF now.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Aug 27, 2008 10:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Would you be okay with possibly conceding the division..

and put setting up the pitching as a higher priority than home field advantage?

Otherwise, I think you’re about 3 weeks early with this question..

That said, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Lou slip Marshall in once during the closing stretch of playing 13 days in a row, Sept. 16-28. Offhand, I’d look at the Sunday game against the Cardinals, 9/21 – they typically seem to have problems with lefties..

Then if circumstances permit, you could spot start someone at the end of the season in Milwaukee.. but there’s enough off days that the starters can get some extra rest, provided you keep Marquis in his spot. (And that’s a whole different discussion) ; )

by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 27, 2008 10:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rather than 3 weeks early, I'd say we're way overdue

for posts about resting our players in this marathon that will last a month longer than 22 other teams’ seasons.

Who cares if we get to the playoffs as the WC or the Division champs? I’d even suggest we play the B-team in the Sep 16-19 series in Chicago v. Milwaukee. We swept them in their house – play the B-team and the Brewers get no moral victory if they win the series and if they lose the series, it’s even worse psychologically on them – that they can’t even beat the Cubs bench players.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Aug 27, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

The Cubs are 10 games up when you think about it… 5 up on the Brewers, and the Brewers are 5 games ahead in the WC.

by daeviant on Aug 27, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Once we guarantee a clinch

I think once we guarantee we atleast make Wildcard we can discuss resting starters. Last years Met’s collapse shoudl be an example that we need to go full force every game until we’re definitely in October.

I would give Dempster as many starts as possible perhaps as a selfish reason. He is having a career season and if we can get 20 wins we should give him that opportunity.

by ak123 on Aug 27, 2008 10:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lazy approach for D-Lee?

Give me a break. He’s shown signs of pulling out of his hitting slump. So what if he doesn’t handle every crap throw he gets from Theriot and occasionally Ramirez…it was a bad hop that ate him up a bit. You want to bench Lee for Ramirez’s bad throw? Questionable.

I also think Kosuke needs playing time to find a new rhythm, especially since he is apparently toying with some minor mechanics. Benching him more might hurt him in the long run.

Agree with Memphis on shorter pitch counts…maybe not even 100 every time. Use Marshall as the long man a few times a week and ideally the starters can stay sharp without wearing out their arms.

Also, DGU made a good point about DeRo at first. I’d rather keep the players we will use this postseason in the rotation.

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Aug 27, 2008 10:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Go Salukis!

…but mostly go cubs…

by fanofthegame on Aug 27, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha...

I was wondering about that…

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Aug 27, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lee’s the one guy who is least likely to want to be sat. He’s a professional, as long as he’s healthy, let him get his games in. He’s more likely to get back on track with more at-bats, IMO.

"Hey! If the moon were made of ribs, wouldja eat it? I know I would!"

by cubs0505 on Aug 27, 2008 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lieber will have value in September

I am guessing that if we clinch the pitchers will simply “get in their work” and then give it up to some innings eaters such as Marshal or Leiber. One thing that bothers me about the cubs is that we seem to just shit on players, sometimes even veterans. This year alone we have shit on Eyre, Lieber, and depending on who you ask Wuertz. John Lieber was brought here to be a swingman and long reliever and did just fine in that role. What do we do? Slap him with a DL stint… I bet half the people on this board forgot about him.

*Another thing to ponder! Do we replace Marquis with Marshal down the stretch simply to stick Marquis in middle relief and see if he can succeed there for the playoffs? I think he wouldn’t be bad out of the pen and could have some value on the playoff roster where he won’t as a starter.

by fanofthegame on Aug 27, 2008 10:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I would not limit...

…the starts for Z, Hardin, Dempster or Lilly until 1st place in clinched.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 27, 2008 1:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

But after that, would you?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 27, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depends...

…on how many games are left if and when they clinch. If they only clinch with 4-5 games left, you just line them up for the order you want for the post-season. If they happen to clinch with 7-8 games left, then I would line them up to have their proper rest for the playoffs and only pitch a guy 80-85 pitches in their last start.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 27, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Setting up the rotation

Setting up the rotation and who starts game 1 and when you clinch can be all the difference.

2003 for example.

Cubs clinch Saturday Wood doesn’t start Sunday he starts game 1 in Atlanta.

Go Cubs

by cubstoseriesby100 on Aug 27, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Winning the division

With the way the Cubs dominate at home winning the division is really an important thing.

Go Cubs

by cubstoseriesby100 on Aug 27, 2008 1:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We've came too far

not to have the best record in the NL and have home field advantage throughout. I think that will be a big advantage for this team. After the sweep today, a reasonable guess would be at least 15-14 the rest of the way for 98 wins. If we stay hot who’s to say we don’t go 18-11 for 101 wins! The Brewers have to go 21-9 to just tie the cubs with 98 wins. Minus a total collapse, we will have the best record in the NL. Just when does Lou want to settle the rotation question is all we can ask.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Aug 27, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, you'd like to rest arms...but it really depends on what we do the next two weeks.

We play scrubs like the Astros (sans Carlos Lee, yay!) and the Reds a combined 9 times…but then look who we face:

—St. Louis 6 times
—Mets in New York 4 times
—Brewers 6 times

Not to mention we have a 4 game series with the surging Phillies this weekend. That would require us to get a big lead on the Brewers in the next few weeks before we face the Cardinals (who we know are gonna bring their A game even if they are outta contention), the Mets (who look hopeless right now), and the Brewers, fighting for a playoff spot.

If we wanna rest starters, I say these next two weeks are the time to do it…or we get a lead of 8-10 games…which would be quite a feat.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Aug 27, 2008 2:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Astros are NOT scrubs

They scare me as much as anyone. They would love nothing more than to beat us and play spoiler.

by fanofthegame on Aug 27, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Houston in Houston

scares me, just because of that bandbox in left. However, I’m not nearly as worried about facing them in Chicago, especially with Carlos Lee out.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Aug 27, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay.

Are you still afraid of them knowing that Cubs-Killer-Carlos-Lee is done for the season? They are 14/16 in ERA, 16/16 in home runs allowed, 11/16 in runs scored, 16/16 in walks, and although still having a great season, Fat Elvis has cooled off. We are 6-6 against them; they are NOT a good team. Maybe they aren’t scrubs like the Reds, but we should beat the crap outta them.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Aug 27, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're 23-15 since the AS break

Much of that without CLee. I wouldn’t exactly call that terrible.

The only stats I care about are the ones on the back of a baseball card

by carmen_fanzone on Aug 28, 2008 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh - I do not want an 8-10 game lead

if it means more 130 pitch outings for Zambrano and back-to-back-to-back appearances for Marmol. I know, I know the Mets collapsed; I know, I know, these are the Cubs and jinxes are bad and all that – but friends, honestly, we made the playoffs a while ago.

I’d like not to get swept in the playoffs again. Let’s do what it takes to win the WS, not the next 30 games.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Aug 27, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When you start...

…to take your foot off the pedal, that is when the wheels can fall off. This team is on a roll and they have to continue to try an win every game as if they have a 1 game lead.

I am not advocating 130 pitch games for Zambrano, just that Lou shouldn’t change anything (in regards to resting starting staff) until this thing is in the bag.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 27, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about 85-pitch outings?

I think the players on the field should try to win every game. I just think once we’ve hit September and have Lieber and the gang back, we can limit the key pitchers outings and rest the big bats. Certainly you want to make sure they don’t get out of their rhythm and there’s a line to walk, but I don’t care if we have 105 wins or 100.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Aug 27, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't care...

…how many wins they have either. But, the team is in a good rhythm and I don’t think that is something you mess with until 1st is clinched. Again, I am not saying let a guy out there for high pitch counts, but you have to continue each game in a way that gives you the best chance to win. That would include normal pitch counts (until they clinch), which gives the team the best chance to win and will keep them in the same “win this game” mind set.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 27, 2008 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sidenote:

Anyone know how to look at probables for a few weeks out? I wanna see who’s scheduled the weekend of the 19-21, when I’ll be at Wrigley…

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Aug 27, 2008 2:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dan, I did the math.

And while I didn’t skip anyone in the rotation (and I bet Lou will at least once), right now it shapes up Marquis, Dempster, Harden for the 19th, 20th and 21st. If it stays that way, it looks like Harden, Lilly, Zambrano vs. Milwaukee on the 16th, 17th and 18th.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Aug 27, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Thanks trey, appreciate it.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Aug 27, 2008 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I need to wear glasses

I need to wear glasses because I read that as Resisting the Rotation in September.

You can’t resist them. We are in their power.

Go Cubs

by cubstoseriesby100 on Aug 27, 2008 4:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lou weighs in

From John Perotto, behind the BP subscriber wall:

“There is still a lot of season left, and we’ve got a lot of difficult games ahead of us,” Piniella said. “The last thing we need to be doing is thinking about who we’re going to be playing in the playoffs, or trying to figure out our playoff rotation. We’ve just got to keep doing what we’ve been doing all season. If we do that, we’ll be fine. If we start trying to look beyond that, we’re just asking for trouble.”

What I find interesting is the 180 Lou has done from last season where he was criticized for “playing for Game 4” in the playoffs in Game 1. 2007’s Lou played baseball like it was a marathon – in 2008, Lou will do whatever it takes to win the game ahead of him, admittedl taking his eyes very much off of the ultimate goal.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Aug 27, 2008 5:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's been said already and it's certainly true ..

… the Cubs aren’t the champions … YET.

Keep that in mind, as well as far too much of that storied history in the past Bad Century this team has had .. Let’s not let the chickens be counted before they hatch.

Nobody is to be taken for granted. The destruction of the Pirates this year did not come without some serious ball play (24 hours ago, we were 2 hours into a nearly 4 hour brawl that expended almost all the bullpen). Remember what the ad print says:

26 of the Cubs’ last 29 games are against clubs currently at or over .500

And the Cubs have a worthy adversary starting tommorrow … a 4 game head on collision with the Phillies and with the Brewers refusing to drop out of the rear view mirror only 5 games behind. Folk, this is going to be a BIG weekend as we turn the corner and head into September baseball.

Yes, we are playing barnstoming ball, but our Boys in Blue will have to stand and deliver against the rest of the division this last month. There are 9 more lonnnng series ahead and I don’t see Lou or the Cubs, after the Horror of 2007 in Arizona, forgetting that. At some point, Lou will recognize the hump and probably see the opportunity for “resting” the bullpen.

But need we remember how pretty rested last year the Cubs got .. and remember what happened. The Invasion Of The Baseball Snatchers occurred and the same team that left Cincy for Arizona was NOT the same one that arrived at the NLDS. Let the memories of that very, very BAD taste percolate in your minds, gang. I am certain the Cubs sure haven’t forgotten and so they won’t let up this short now .. they simply can’t afford to and Lou is absolutely right when he says what he has about “Thinking About Who We’re Going To Be Playing In The Playoffs.” We aint there yet.

As has been said, ask this question three weeks from now, and I think it will be a lot more concrete as to who’s going to be “on” and who’s going to be “rested” .. etc.

And I just keep thinking the series with the Phils and the Mets will be the critical … anything can happen and there’s plenty of spoiling left in the rest of this division (for further details, watch the game from last night).

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Aug 27, 2008 8:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

There are no critical series left.

The Cubs had a 99.5% odds of making the playoffs going into today. They won.

I don’t know how many of you watched the men’s marathon in the Olympics, but there was a guy who was set to medal coming into the stadium, yards ahead of the guy in 4th, but he got into the stadium and ran out of gas and got passed by.

Baseball is a marathon. If we were the Brewers, then we’d certainly want to sprint to the stadium to make sure we at least got in there. We’re not the Brewers. We want to win the World Series. But, hey, a few more 130 pitch outings and maybe we can be so lucky, instead, to be like Lou’s 2001 club.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Aug 27, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem isn't worrying about 130 pitch outings.

You keep saying that like it’s a daily occurance. How many times has Zambrano thrown 130 pitches this year? There are 13 pitchers averaging more pitches per game than Z. Your ace is supposed to lead in innings and pitches. The problem is there is obviously something wrong with Z. He might need another stint on the DL. Now, where does that leave the rotation. Who dio you want to rest now.

by Rick B on Aug 28, 2008 6:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

130 pitches is emblematic

Even back then, we didn’t NEED to win those games when Carlos was thrown out there that long, and even if we did, allowing Sean Marshall to throw an inning in relief wouldn’t have guaranteed that we didn’t win those games. Lou has managed in a short-sighted way, quite unlike he did last year, despite the fact that this team’s ticket to the playoffs has been a whole lot more certain than last year’s. Fukudome hasn’t gotten the regular rest that could have helped him. There was a stretch where Soto was playing way too much. We know what happened to Marmol. It’s time to get these guys fresh, without ruining their rhythm.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Aug 28, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not terribly worried about a "rested" rotation

Fact is that outside of Carlos Zambrano this is a staff of 6 inning pitchers. Pray that everybody stays healthy, keep to the current 5 man rotation and use the last week of the season (assuming of course a division title is clinched) in getting your playoff rotation aligned. To me it is a no-brainer how the rotation should be structured for the playoffs….

1. Harden (he is one of the most dominant pitchers in baseball and the guy you want pitching in “the” game)

2. Dempster (performance speaks for itself, plus he is excellent contrast sandwiched between Harden and Zambrano)

3. Zambrano (the horse will have a fine playoffs I am sure)

4. Lilly (slots in beautifully following the top threesome….a VERY underrated pitcher on this staff)

Bullpen??

1. Wood
2. Marmol
3. Gaudin
4. Jeff Spellcheck (he’s earned a spot)
5. Cotts
6. Marshall
7. Marquis (though he has never relieved, he can be handled to warm up a few innings in advance and come in and start an inning…though lets be honest, his use will likely mean our starter got shelled)

by MDBNIU on Aug 27, 2008 11:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You have left Howry off.

Oddly, that’s exactly what I would do, too.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 28, 2008 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You could have it...

…but I think the call between Marquis and Howry will depend on how both finish in September.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 28, 2008 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glad to see Marshall's in your roster .. do you think Lieber's a non issue in October?

He’s like completely dropped off the radar the past couple of months since his injury and shellacking. Anyone count on seeing him in October? I think he’s got enough game for spot starting in September .. that’s when I think his real value will come in ..

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Aug 28, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he has missed...

…too much time to be able to get back in the mix.

He is one guy I was wrong about. I anticipated him taking over Marquis’ spot around June and having a pretty good year. It may have been a little different if he didn’t get hurt, as I do like the way he goes about his business.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 28, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he also got "hurt" by the multi-HR game in Cinci.

First impressions are big for Lou and Lieber was doing well in the ’pen, looking like he might lock-down a rotation spot when this happened. I still wonder if there was some kind of pitch-tipping going on that game.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Aug 28, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could be...

…if healthy, there is no question Lieber is a better pitcher than Marquis, even at his advanced age.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 28, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The "if healthy" is big

The Cubs sometimes guard injury info and there’s no telling what Lieber’s health situation has been this year.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

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