How will you handle the backlash?
Since I need some words, I'll just expound on a pet theory of mine whose basic premise is that Americans love to destroy their athletic heroes. They build things up to unimaginable heights because it gives them a cheap vicarious thrill and then enjoy the ride down to humanity - or below - as much and actually find more meaning in the destruction of the things they revere than the original ascension....
75 words?
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Its gonna be annoying...
Having to defend ones fandom if indeed they do win it all….I’ll admit Im skeptical whenever I meet a Red Sox fan, usually thinking “wow, they mustve been a fan for at least 4 years now huh?”
But hey, if thats what it takes to see it happen, so be it. I was surprised to hear theres so much animosity towards the Cubs in Milwaukee, b/c the brewers havent been in the NL all that long, and its really only the past two years that theyve been in direct competition for the division, so its a bit surprising to see the hatred is so deep seeded already.
But with the success of the team the past few years, the backlash was inevitable. But here in NY for much of my life being a Cubs fan was pretty unique and greeted with pleasant shock or polite derision/pity…..so this should be a new phenomenon having to prove my fanhood…..but bring it on!
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Aug 28, 2008 12:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Red Sox fans
Being that I went to school in MA for 4 years I give Red Sox fans credit. They knew their team before they won the World Series. I mean everyone who I went to school with could name every player on the team. This is guys and girls. It was impressive. I’d even go so far to say that the casual Red Sox fan knows more about their team than the casual Cubs fan.
Now on the other side, once the Red Sox won the World Series those fan turned mean. They made fun of the Cubs fans and everyone. I really hope we don’t turn into that when it comes to other teams if we were to win the whole thing.
Thankfully being in NY as well I don’t have to prove my fanhood to anyone. Most people know I’m a Cubs fan that they’re sick of it!
by ak123 on Aug 28, 2008 3:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Red Sox Interest Outside of New England
There have been very loyal Red Sox fans in New England forever. Outside of New England, where were the Red Sox fans before 2003? That’s when the Red Sox should have beaten the Yankees to get to the World Series. I don’t remember many Boston fans down south before then. I would put them down as the number 4 team in fan interest here now behind the Cardinals, Braves, and Cubs. The Cubs fan base outside of northern Illinois and northern Indiana is a lot more loyal than the Red Sox fan base outside of New England.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Aug 28, 2008 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup yup
With the Braves and Cubs, there has been exposure to a national audience, hence why there are some many Cubs fans (like myself) outside of IL/Midwest. A good friend of mine is a Boston fan and only since he was in college there for 5 years. Otherwise he probably would have never seen enough, or learned enough about them to become a fan.
by StevenABQ on Aug 28, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only backlash from winning it all
Is that MLB and sports in general loses its last truly lovable losers. Which organization has such a loyal fanbase, historic stadium, and great team? I don’t even know of any organization that comes close to this mixture. Maybe a Cleveland team? There’s a storyline that is forever lost once we win it all, and for that, I think we are all willing and wanting to burn that damn sacrificial lamb.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Aug 28, 2008 12:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland probably is in second place, but it's a distant second
I think what makes the Cub persona as close to unique as possible is the sheer length of its drought. 100 years is a long time. In Cleveland, the Indians go back to 1948 to winning it all. The Browns, 1964. The Cavs aren’t really worthy of inclusion in this scenario, because, with all due respect to the second coming of Michael Jordan (LeBron James), the Cavs have pretty much always been a joke of a franchise.
Of course, I can easily see the fallacy of this longevity argument. To me, a Cub fan really can’t claim 100 years of not winning it all unless they’ve been around for 100 years. So the part that always amuses me is when some 20-something Cub fan goes on and on about how devastating it’s been to his or her life that the Cubs haven’t won a championship since 1908. I’m not denying the pain of an individual season, game or even play. But you can’t claim the collective hurt of decades of losing unless you’ve lived it.
Back to Cleveland for a moment – like I said, the Browns last won a championship in 1964. And even though that’s a long time, it still pales in comparison to 1908. But if you want to compare “fanguish” on a more singular level, i.e. a season, game or a play, I’ll put a Browns fan up against a Cubs fan any day of the week. “Red Right 88”, “The Drive”, “The Fumble” (aka The Drive II)…. those wounds went just as deep as a black cat, Durham, or Bartman.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 28, 2008 6:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
two words: Pittsburgh Pirates
They are the worst franchise in all of sports. They have had below .500 seasons for 16 years! Players could have played their entire careers there without even getting a .500 record. yikes!
2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?
by Chanman25 on Aug 28, 2008 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cleveland Indians
Don’t they have the longest drought after the Cubs?
by daeviant on Aug 28, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, I agree with that, ballhawk
But look at me, for instance. I’m third generation Cubs fan, yet I’m only 26. I’ve lived vicariously through my grandpa (deceased) and my dad, both of which were born and raised in Gary, Indiana. Just because I haven’t been around for all 99 years doesn’t mean I haven’t “lived” them via those two. That’s how I first learned bout the Cubbies of past!
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Aug 28, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me one up that...
I am a Cubs fan (obviously) and a Bills fan. Maybe its a psychological thing where I enjoy heartbreak?…or just being brainwashed as a child by Grandpa.
by jbertram on Aug 28, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF
and a big IF, the Cubs go the distance. The one thing I fear is the instant Cub fans come out in droves. It happened in Boston ( New England) You have some Red Sox fans that couldn’t tell you about 1967 and Yaz and the triple crown, Pesky Pole, and the nightmare of 1986 and the loss to the Mets. I see the same thing happening IF the Cubs win it all. You will strike a conversation with one of these instant fans and you mention just say When Dawson came here in 1987 when he filled out his contract.
I don’t know being a Cub fan is the history is the agony and joy.
Other than that, I don’t care what NON Cub fans say. Period.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Aug 28, 2008 6:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think...
…. that at least among all of us, we’ll know who’s been around and who the latecomers are. Also, each one of us has many friends, perhaps not posting here, who we have shared our years of Cub fandom with. We’ll know.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 28, 2008 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha oh yeah
so no one in hell will i be considered a bandwagoner….I was here for 06.
2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?
by Chanman25 on Aug 28, 2008 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its great...
I’m in Tallahassee and I see other young people wearing brand-spanking new cubs hats and moms pushing around their newborns in cubbie onsies.
It feels like a home away from home for me and further, a new sort of association with a stranger so far from the Wilmette I come from.
Even though I can tell who just made the jump, especially if I saw them in a Marlins hat in ‘03 (which they did not purchase until October of course!) I don’t mind it.
The more the merrier I say!!!
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 28, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every team is going to have obnoxous bandwagoneers
But truthfully, if the Cubs win the World Series, are any of us real fans going to care about them? I’m not. I’m going to be blissful. If anything it will give ME a chance to be obnoxious for once and shove it in the faces of those who have ripped on me for being a Cubs fan all my life. After that, when it all settles down, I’ll be defending my fandom in front of people again anyway. I mean seriously. Haven’t we been defending ourselves all our lives?
by daeviant on Aug 28, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I MIGHT care
because ticket prices will shoot through the roof and Wrigley will become like Fenway, meaning you have to buy tickets through a secondary market.
2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?
by Chanman25 on Aug 28, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrigley is already
pretty close to Fenway in that regard! Not quite as bad, but almost.
"Eighty-five percent of the world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here." - Lee Elia, 1983
"The only thing that bothers me is that I would never want to destroy the love and what the fans of Chicago are to the Chicago Cubs. I mean, God knows. If there's one pure thing in baseball, it is the fans of Chicago." - Lee Elia, 2008
by CaughtInTheVines on Aug 28, 2008 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it started happening after '03...
We didn’t win it that year, of course, but you could just see toward the end of the season and especially in the playoffs, the sudden explosion of new Cubs fans come out of nowhere. Since that time, I believe there has been a lot of people who have just jumped on the Cubs winning bandwagon just to experience the whole thing… there have been several people I’ve spoken to who wears their Cubs hat proudly, yet knows nothing about their history. This just happens… there isn’t anything you can do about it. BTW: Andre RULES…
by TheHawkRules on Aug 28, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats a double edged sword...
For every fan that jumped on board in ‘03 you probably have a fan ’coming of age’ or finally understanding the Cubs.
Me for example. I’m 22. I was a Cubs fan in the mid-90’s. I’ve got tickets from games I went to, I’ve got photos, all kinds of stuff like that, but ‘98 was the year where it really just ’clicked’ for me and I REALLY became a fan.
I’m sure plenty of people just kind of got pulled in too far in ’03 from where they had previously been and are now hooked.
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola
by Ryan at Cubshub on Aug 28, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just wonder though....
How many will hang around after the Cubs finally do win it all. All the serious fans will, but, to use a Biblical term, I am sure there will be a “great falling away.” That seems to happen after every team starts putting up some good seasons. I just wonder if the Cubs, who seem to have built such a huge following over the last 5 or so years, will have an even greater number of people turning away than the average team… ah well, Im such thinking out loud. I usually get into trouble for this.
by TheHawkRules on Aug 28, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
Do you really think bandwagon fans will come out in droves?? I’m not so sure…bandwagon fans usually like a legacy of winning, eg; the Yankees. The Red Sox have an attraction because they are the Yankees rivals, not necessary just because they finally won. When St Louis won in 2005, I didn’t notice any widespread bangwagon type activity. I probably saw more Cardinal caps than before, but that happens after every WS. I’m sure there will be some that will go out and buy Cubs caps for the novelty of it, but I don’t think there will be droves…I could be wrong.
by StevenABQ on Aug 28, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that. The wagon was pretty full in '03!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 28, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
But that happens to most established teams during the playoffs. I’ve seen more Mets fans in the last few years than ever. The deal is, its like people that make new years resolutions — ala going to the gym — at first they are steadfast…after a month or two it fizzles. My thinking is after a while, even if they win it all…these people will latch onto another champion.
by StevenABQ on Aug 28, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right. I know I have never made a new years resolution and not kept it!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 28, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about
A resolution to not change a thing??
by StevenABQ on Aug 28, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love circular logic!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 28, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think, therefore, I drink.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 28, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I moved to Chicago last year as a baseball fan and not really a lover of any particular team. I grew up in Tennessee and then moved to Florida where I refused to root for the Marlins or Rays. Neither place had anyone to truly root for.
Well, I went to about 6 games last summer, and I was HOOKED. Everything about the Cubs and Wrigley drew me in. The ambience of Wrigley and the team that was on the field made me an instant fan.
SO, I know that I have not been a “lifer”, but when my wife and I bought a condo, we wanted to be close to Wrigley. This gave us a chance to be near the atmosphere of this place.
Wrigley and the Cubs are the closest thing to SEC football that I have seen, since I left the Univ. of Tennessee. It is die-hard, and I love it!
Call me fair-weather or whatever, but I love going to games and rooting for the Cubbies on TV. If they win, I will be partying in the streets and celebrating with all the “life long” fans as if I am one of them!!
by cubbiebear on Aug 28, 2008 8:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cubs aren't so lovable after all ....
Good. Actually, great. The rising animosity is a leading indicator of the essential fact here, kids: The Cubs are very, very good, the best Cubs team in several generations. Get in our way and be prepared to take a beating.
If It Takes Forever ....
by wrigley1 on Aug 28, 2008 8:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That'd be a good problem to have
and IF that becomes an issue I’ll figure out a way to deal with it then.
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
by mjk83 on Aug 28, 2008 8:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Im not to worried
about it. Everyone that knows me, knows how much of a cubs fan I am. Or i could just show people my ticket stubs from the last 4 years. but ill be to happy to care what people say. And Im sure i speak for alot of people when I say there is not a single person who could ruin that moment for my family, friends, and I.
by Kchance on Aug 28, 2008 8:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Since I’m not from Chicago
and don’t live in Chicago, I’ve had to deal with being called a bandwagoner before when the Cubs are doing well. I remember in ’03 someone accused me of it. My quickest why to deal with that is to show them that I have faded Chicago Cubs key chain that I’ve had since I was 16 that has a copy right date of 1987 on it. I been through plenty of bad season as fan, I remember the 0-14 start in ’97. If someone thinks I’m a fair-weather fan that’s not really my problem.
"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"
by MerlinDog on Aug 28, 2008 8:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This would be a nice problem to have to deal with.
I am still holding breath because it all seems too good to be true but I would love to have to defend myself for being a Cubs fan. That is not to say that I don’t have to do it on some level at work all the time. I work as a police detective outside Philadelphia and the guys are always on me about the Cubs. Needless to say, I am looking forward to this weekends games with the Phillies. Made sure to wear the lapel pin today so there is no doubt!
by exileinphilly on Aug 28, 2008 9:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't get the point of this article
It’s big news that people in St. Louis hate the Cubs? It’s news that people in Milwaukee hate the Cubs? Why the heck shouldn’t they?
by rgonzale on Aug 28, 2008 9:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
People can do whatever they want
I want (and I know you all do as well) the ring. I don’t care how we get there, who we go through. I don’t care about payback, or making it to 100 wins. I want the WS. If we get that, I will wear my 2008 Chicago Cubs World Series Champion shirt, hat, button, whatever every day for the rest of my life. No one will be able to take that away from me.
We know we have been there wit them in the pain of horrible losses and long-suffering seasons. We have been there at Spring Training, Cubs Convention, Opening Day, Fantasy Camp, day in and day out.
All the fans that want to join up today or next month, you are all welcome. I think the Cubs could use all the positive energy and rooting they can get.
I think it feels good to get some of the backlash now. It means you are good, feared, some are jealous of your success. I wore my hat and windbreaker yesterday, and passed 2 guys in Brewers shirts and they smiled and nodded as we passed. They know they can’t talk smack, because we are kicking some ass this year.
I will not diss the White Sox, or talk smack about anyone if we win it all. I will hug my kids and smoke a cigar and have the most expensive scotch I can find to toast the Cubs and all the fans that were as dedicated and passionate as we are, but never got to see what we are seeing.
Bring em’ on.
Good Guys Wear Blue
by Cubskingdom on Aug 28, 2008 9:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Being 23 years old
I worry that people will think I am some kid that won’t really know what it means. I embraced learning everything I could about this team.
I know about 1908, the world series failures through the 1930’s, the goat and the 45 series, the unreal 69 team that anytime I can meet someone who lived it can tell me about it, the 84 team and what the hell happened.
I was born in 85 so my memories of failure are only 98, 03 and 07. I haven’t endured as long but I understand the context. I know my loyalty will be questioned but those who don’t know but I love this team and want them to win it bad. I suppose this is just something that comes with the territory when your team wins it all.
That being said, Go Cubs and I hope for my own sanity but also for those that endured 84, 69 and if you can remember 45 more so for you.
Something special is brewin’ here
by niuhuskie224 on Aug 28, 2008 9:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
23, as well
so I haven’t been around for a TON of bad years – I really started paying attention around 2000. But there’s no question the people who have spent more than 5hrs with me know I’m a crazy Cubs fan. And if you still don’t know, I’ll show you my autographed Billy Williams jersey in my living room and my 2 seats from Wrigley Field. I went to 5 Cubs games on my honeymoon, and have numerous Cubs stuff around the house – pictures, jerseys, autographed balls. Hell, I flew up from Mississippi for the NLDS Game 3 last year. No, I’m not worried about people thinking that I am a bandwagon fan, I’m just gonna hate calling out all the bandwagoners.
One guy at work said he was a big Cubs fan and I told him about meeting Billy Williams and Santo at the Cubs Convention this year. He had no idea who I was talking about. Sorry – to be considered a true fan by me, you’ve gotta know the best players in your team’s history. Eventually, just by reading articles and watching / listening to the games, you’re gonna hear these people get mentioned. I’m not saying you have to know EVERYTHING, especially if you weren’t alive then (I wasn’t). But come on… He was embarassed that I called him out on it. I just started working here in June and apparently before he’d been bragging about the Cubs and first place and how he’s a huge fan.
by sparky39762 on Aug 28, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
I have a picture of me and Fergie Jenkins in my office, that is my litmus test. I show it to all who come in and proclaim to be Cubs fans (usually provoked by the huge amount of pictures and stuff I have in there) If they know who it is — Excellent, if not, but they know the name and his significance — Passable, if they draw a blank — Well…you can imagine the hurt in my eyes.
by StevenABQ on Aug 28, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I have a counter question of all of the fellow BCB'ers
Why would any of us give a damn what anyone else thinks about the Cubs? We’ve suffered for years, some of us more than others but it’s irrelevant.
The lovable losers iconic name is just a function of all things Cubbie, leading up to mid-Oct, 2003 IMHO. Things are changing, things are different. The Cubs are building up to powerhouse status. We’ve waited too long. My father lived well past life expectancy for someone born the year he was born and he was never even alive yet alone old enough to see and understand a Cubs WS title.
I guess we could come up with a “test” to see if others who claim to be diehards. Like Sparky above mentioned Billy and Ronnie, I bet we could come up with a “play 20 questions” test for others. If they don’t get at least 16 or something like that we can question their fan-dom, but really….really now, would it matter to us diehards? I don’t think so.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Aug 28, 2008 10:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Your right, but sometimes, as Sparky said, you do encounter people who act as though they really follow the team, and after a few minutes talking you figure out that they really don’t have a clue. Posers basically. IMO most people that like the Cubs but don’t really follow them, pretty much like the cutesy, diminutive stuff, like “lovable losers, cubbie bears, etc..”
by StevenABQ on Aug 28, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The irony
for me is the derision I see from fans of teams that honestly don’t have a leg to stand on. It’s sort of the culture sports has become but can any Brewers fans really talk to me about losing/choking? How long has it been since they’ve even been to the playoffs? Maybe I’ll revel in the Cubs winning a little more if it happens. Who knows though really what their exact reaction to something like this would be. Like most above, I’m relatively young (26) so my experiences are from about 88-89 on. I can still remember a game with my cousin in ‘92 the Cubs beat the Pirates 11-1 and we were stoked because at the time the Pirates were good and had just won the division. I don’t have to justify/prove my fandom to anyone who doesn’t already know.
My only concern if they do win is the cost of Opening Day tickets. I’ve gone for 9 years straight since moving back for college and if I can’t get lucky when they go on sale I’ll have to save up for a broker. The only thing that could compare to being at the game they win it is being at the game where they get their rings and raise a banner/flag or whatever. And there aren’t many FA on this team so almost everyone could be back.
by CubFan81 on Aug 28, 2008 10:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nine years of college?
The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball.
by Weeghman Park on Aug 28, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, not quite...
just 4 of college, and 4 graduate but I moved back 9 years ago from Georgia to go to school. That’s when I started going to Cubs games regularly.
by CubFan81 on Aug 28, 2008 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just reminded me of the line in Animal House . . ."wasted"
The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball.
by Weeghman Park on Aug 28, 2008 11:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And the problem with possibly going to, and winning a World Series
would be…..
ummm…
There is no problem.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 28, 2008 12:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Being a female sportsfan.....
I’ve had doubters about my reasons for being interested in sports so I dont view this as any different.
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 28, 2008 12:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn...
If, and when, the Cubs win it all I, along with everyone else here, will be as happy as can be. As with any good team, you’re already seeing people on the bandwagon. Look at how many new members have joined BCB over the course of the season, and there’s many new fans at Wrigley and that is absolutely fine with me.
I have no problem if the rest of the country thinks that every Cubs fan is fairweather if it means that we are winning consistently. I know how special a World Series will be to me. I know how special this season has been so far, regardless of what the ultimate outcome is. I know how special a World Series would be for my wife (Los Angeles native) who became a Cubs fan in 2003 while watching the stretch run with me – and since has followed every single game, even during 2006. I know how special this would have been to my grandmother (passed away in ’91) who took me to my first games a child on the Addison bus (never learned to drive), and we saw some truly awful teams together. Regardless, she watched every single game, and was a big of a fan as I can imagine, despite living her entire life without seeing a champion.
So, people can say what the will. And the bandwagon jumpers can join our party, but I’m going to be grinning from ear-to-ear and will be far too happy to care.
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by bobby h on Aug 28, 2008 1:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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