RBI stats

by clambake on Aug 29, 2008 6:48 AM CDT Comment 15 comments

No surprise that Aramis is the leader on the team. Such a stud when it comes to hitting with runners on. But already at 99 and 20 more than the next Cub on the list- wow!

But who would have though DeRosa would be 2nd. Obviously he has hit a lot more dingers but I've noticed he has been a lot more clutch this season.

Let's hope these guys can improve in the clutch from their postseasons last year.

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RBI's

are an opportunity based stat

not surprisingly Aramis has had WAY more opportunities to drive in runs than any other Cubs player

Baseball Prospectus charts this:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=330214

Now Aramis also happens to have the best % of runs driven in, which is because… quite simply he’s our best hitter

Surprisingly you know who is 2nd by %? Soriano

DeRosa’s really around team average, but he’s come up with the 2nd most players on base than any other Cubs, which is why he’s 2nd in the team in RBI’s

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 29, 2008 8:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Nevertheless...

… opportunities aside, A-Ram has taken advantage of those opportunities. Give the guy credit for that.

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by Al on Aug 29, 2008 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

One of the biggest keys has

been the OBP of the #2 hitter. Check this year vs. last year and I’ll bet there is a difference. I think Lou learned that batting Jacque Jones in the 2 hole is not the route to success. Theriot has been on base a ton this year and has set the table for A-Ram many times.

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 29, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He did

Now Aramis also happens to have the best % of runs driven in, which is because… quite simply he’s our best hitter

by Wreckard on Aug 29, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not even...

…Rambo can bring ’em home like ARAM can!

Haha… Gotcha!

by TheHawkRules on Aug 29, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i thought i did...

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 29, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, you did.

Just backing you up.

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by Al on Aug 30, 2008 4:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not exactly.

The stat you have sorted from first to last is OBI, others batted in, not RBI opportunities. In terms of plate appearances with runners on base, he also leads with 280, but Lee is close with 276, followed by DeRosa with 267 and Fukudome with 258. But you’re right in that Ramirez is their best hitter with runners on. Oddly enough, Lee and Soto aren’t even in the top five(among regulars) when it comes to percentage of baserunners driven in.

by dakoose on Aug 29, 2008 9:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Pretty sure that OBI is RBI-HR.

ROB, though, I think is Runners on Base, which is exactly what DCF is talking about.

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by cwyers on Aug 29, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah my bad on that

you’re right and Cwyers is right, i didn’t sort the stats I just clicked on the RBI opportunities page and sorted for Cubs quickly and copy and pasted the link. I should’ve sorted by ROB, which is what I was referencing.

Then when i went back I picked up the wrong number for Aramis suggesting he had WAY more opportunities, which isn’t accurate. Need to remember to take my time when looking at these things

With that said, DeRosa is higher on the list than anyone outside of DLee and Aramis so to compare his RBI’s against say Soriano, Fukudome, Soto, etc is a bit of a mistake to just suggest he’s been “more clutch” or however you want to call it. He’s just had more opportunities than most.

but yes, thanks for clarifying the correct stat people should be paying attention to

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 29, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like OBI% (RBI%) for this comparison.

Seems to me that answering the question “who drives in the highest % of the men that are on base when they are at bat?” is what most people are missing when they use RBIs as a proxy for “clutchiness.”

Here’s the list sorted by OBI, using 75 plate appearances as minimum.. Big Z leads the team with 20.41 under that small minimum sample. Ramirez- 19.33% and Soriano- 18.1% are next, and the rest range down to Fukudome- 12.2% and Theriot- 10.96%, who are at the end of that list.

So, your point was essentially true and you brought up an important point- RBIs vs. opportunities is the context that really matters. And thanks for reminding me that BP’s data base captures that- I’ve been looking at this though Baseball Musing’s data base which is a little clumsy for RBI%.

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by The Lip on Aug 29, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs