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Brewers fight in Dugout

I assume that most everyone has seen this by now, but the Brewers had an altercation in the dugout last night reminiscent of Carlos Zambrano and Michael Barrett going at each other last year. This time it was Prince Fielder and Manny Parra. It looked like Parra was saying something not quite complimentary to Prince (insert fat joke here) and Prince didn't like what he was hearing.

If you haven't seen the "fight" (kinda looked like a couple pre-teens in sixth grade. Parra wanted no part of Prince.) You can go here.

Is this the turning point for the Brewers like last year was for us? Do they pull together around this and start playing well? Or, more likely in my opinion, is this the signs of the wheels coming off? Did the Cubs get in their heads that much with the four game sweep that now the team is going to come apart?

I guess that we will have to wait and see, but it is never good to see something like this on your own team.

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Lou > Ned

I’d much rather watch a Cubs/Cardinals NLCS anyway.

by dr stabbingworth on Aug 5, 2008 7:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Fight Not Good for MIL

One has to remember in the Cubs’ situation that Barrett got shipped away. I see both Parra and Fielder staying with the Brewers. To echo dr stabbingworth’s sentiment, Piniella is a better manager than Yost. This fight illustrates that the Brewers must not be one big happy family. The Brewers will have to play well to hold off the Cards and the NL East 2nd place team to win the wild card.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 5, 2008 8:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Or that the big fat turd at 1B

is just a selfish ass wipe and then still, doesn’t bode well for the Brewers. This guy aint changin soon. Let’s just hope they continue to play poorly and stumble away from the Cubs.

Calm down.

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 5, 2008 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

LSA

I really wouldn’t be surprised to see them get rid of Prince after this season. He’s a Boras client, is underperforming, and has been acting like a jerk all season.

by Kornchex on Aug 5, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right. In addition...

...the Big Z v. Barrett altercation occurred much earlier in the season, when there was still plenty of time for the team to get its act together. The fact that the Brewers are, once again, devolving into chaos only means they’re going to have a harder time pulling themselves together to try to make a run at the Cubs in the few short weeks remaining. That’s good news for us.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by daver on Aug 5, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

What was the context?

Did Parra just come off the mound after pitching poorly? Was there a fielding mix-up at first base between them?

Also, which Cub-hating Reds announcer was that on the clip, saying the Brewers’ troubles started when they got swept in four games at home by the Mets?.

My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.

by JohnM on Aug 5, 2008 8:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Chris Welsh

Welsh made the comment about the Brewers being swept by the Mets. Thom Brennaman was the lead announcer on the clip.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 5, 2008 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I thought I recognized Thom, but didn’t think he was the one who said that. And no, I don’t really think all Reds announcers hate the Cubs so much that they couldn’t bring themselves to credit them with a sweep of the Crew, giving erroneous props to one of their historical rivals instead. Bad, ill-informed mistake about the team they’re covering, though.

My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.

by JohnM on Aug 5, 2008 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

The 5th inning

Parra gave up four runs. It looked like a ball got past a diving Fielder. He didn’t look too nimble diving for it. I don’t know if that is what Parra was upset about or not. Don’t know what else that it could have been. Not like we are going to hear what it was from them I guess.

by Archie on Aug 5, 2008 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Has anyone heard

what the fight was about?

Go ahead, Z me.

by tony412 on Aug 5, 2008 8:09 AM CDT reply actions  

I heard this morning

that Parra was on his way to the clubhouse and Prince took offense that he wasn’t staying in the dugout to watch the Brewers bat.

by bjs on Aug 5, 2008 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lame excuse, if you ask me.

Don’t most pitchers go to the clubhouse after being taken out?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 5, 2008 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yup. Usually.

Prince must have wanted a bigger (no pun intended) audience for his home runs.

by Archie on Aug 5, 2008 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh who am I kidding

Pun intended. Bad pun. I’m an idiot.

by Archie on Aug 5, 2008 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the protocol is that they are expected to stay

in the dugout until the end of the inning, if they are taken out during an inning.

But this was the end of the (half) inning, so there shouldn’t have been any un-teammate-like inferences.

My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.

by JohnM on Aug 5, 2008 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

At first

they said it looked like parra said something to Fielder as they came off the field…perhaps about him needing to loose weight so that his enourmous man boobs don’t bounce so hard when he rounds the bases on HRs.

Just speculating though.

Calm down.

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 5, 2008 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know

as an overweight person, I find your many fat jokes objectionable and would respectfully ask that you refrain from this sort of negative comment.

by ScottT on Aug 5, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fat Chance!

Perception is 9/10ths of the law. - Steve Young, NFL legend and multiple concussion recipient.

by Griff5479 on Aug 5, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Insensitive.

He made a reasonable request. Your comment was apparently intended to be “funny”. It wasn’t.

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by Al Yellon on Aug 5, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry Scott

For what it’s worth. My bad.

by Archie on Aug 5, 2008 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

As a person who has also struggled with weight

I do apologize. I did not intend to offend anyone…except Prince Fielder. I’m sorry.

Calm down.

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 5, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

One more thing

I continued to think about what I said and i am truly sorry. I get it in my head becasue i have struggled with weight at times, it gives me the right to spout off about fat people. Being fat has nothing to do with the fact that Fielder is an ass.

So again, I am sorry. It was very insensitive of me.

Calm down.

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 5, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

Just watched it on ESPN… a ball got PASTA-DIVING-FIELDER. THE ESPN commentator said to remember that while watching… then, in the dugout the fight happened.

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by SackMan on Aug 5, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't see it

but Prince gave a decent effort to get it?

Ideas are bulletproof.

by neverAcquiesce on Aug 5, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thom was just a bit excited to see some other team besides the Reds suffer

Like somebody said last night, the difference between Z/Barrett and this fight is that we could dump Barrett, they cannot dump either of those players.

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by nji232 on Aug 5, 2008 8:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Posted this last night in the game thread, but I think I got it right.

Parra was pissed about getting pulled, Fielder started walking with him down the dugout bench, kind of jawing at him, but not bad. Then Parra goes to throw his warmup jacket on the bench and held on to it, with the sleeve coming up and hitting Fielder.

Cue Fielder going batshit.

Fielder pushed him to the dugout bench, then pushed him again with both hands to the face. They got separated. Other people speculated that Braun and Hart were up in Fielder’s face saying things like “What the (hey!)” and “Punch me instead”.

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by Bildo1805 on Aug 5, 2008 8:47 AM CDT reply actions  

After watching the clip...

You may be right. I noticed the sleeve come up and go in Prince’s direction but didn’t figure that would be enough of a reason to go ape poop on a teammate.

As it was stated earlier, I’m not so sure this is anything but frustration on their parts but this kind of stuff could linger unless the manager pulls them away from it or channels it into something. If they continue to lose more often than not in the next week or two I could seeing it go downhill quickly and Yost losing his job. His response to the questions weren’t helping any because now all the media wants to do is focus on why it happened, who started it, and who’s going to apologize first.

I can’t stand the Brewers, especially since I live in Milwaukee now and everyone is so smug about them. My favorite is the 100 years stuff the come back with when all I have to mention is that they haven’t even been to the playoffs in 26 years. I would love to see this take them down a notch and have to battle STL for the WC instead of the Cubs for the division.

by CubFan81 on Aug 5, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know what you mean about the smugness

Although the Brewers fans I work with are decent for the most part. Growing up in SE WI, though, the Brewers fans were brutal—esp. in the 1980’s, when for most of the decade, the Brewers were competitive and the Cubs were just bad.

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

This was probably about...

Fielders attempt at that grounder. I only saw it once, but you gotta get those or at least knock it down. Who knows what Parra said…but it sure looked like Parra didn’t want any part of Prince.

You ARE freaking out MAN!

by crw89 on Aug 5, 2008 8:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Why would he?

Parra is a (relatively) skinny pitcher. Fielder is close to 300 lbs. What good would fighting Fielder do?

by SouthernCub on Aug 5, 2008 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

It might cause Prince to fall off the vegetarian wagon

I think that it was very considerate of Parra not to tempt Prince in that way.

by Archie on Aug 5, 2008 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

My point exactly...

there was virtually no reaction from Parra…

You ARE freaking out MAN!

by crw89 on Aug 5, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno about that

I thought he looked like he was gonna cry.

’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)

by drewishdrewid on Aug 5, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

His face was rather “unstable”. I think I would be with a big guy like Fielder throwing fists at me. Though I gotta say, those punches weren’t as ‘brutal” as I would expect from a guy who makes faces like he did on that clip after being taken down.

Calm down.

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 5, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yost

“It’s a little bit rude of you, when your neighbors are fighting, to go bang on the door”

This wasn’t a clubhouse skirmish with no cameras, this was in the dugout with everyone watching.

Ned Yost is such a smug tool. Yeah, ned, it’s exactly like that, except it’s the fat kid trying to fight the skinny kid. In the front yard.

I don’t think it means anything, honestly. A frustrated team got after each other.

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by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 5, 2008 8:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Totally agree.

Yost’s postgame comments only made him look more paranoid, shifty and out of control. His metaphor doesn’t hold water: Sure, if your neighbors are fighting behind closed doors, it’s none of your business. But if they’re fighting in their front yard, in plain sight of you and everyone else on the block, it becomes everyone’s business.

There’s no reason Yost couldn’t have made some neutral comments about the altercation and moved on instead of acting like the media was out of line for asking about it. The fight happened in the dugout! What did he expect?

All in all, I’m glad he’s still got his job – he has no control over his team and he’s more than likely going to initiate a few more beanball wars down the stretch, only further distracting his squad of young, inexperienced egomaniacs.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by daver on Aug 5, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're right -- and it's because he was defensive.

Kind of like Holmgren’s reaction to a fan in GB years ago telling him to “Worry about this job, not the next one.”

Holmgren’s lame excuse for answering back (“He was talking about my family”) belies the fact that the fan was right and Holmgren was defensive because of it.

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's kind of funny

I would like to see Yost manage in a big market city, where the neighbors are constantly banging on the door.

by daeviant on Aug 5, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would like to Yost manage...

period.

"And then, just as nonchalantly as though Horace Tarbox had been Mr. Beef the butcher or Mr. Hat the haberdasher, life reached in, seized him, handled him, stretched him, and unrolled him like a piece of Irish lace on a Saturday-afternoon bargain-counter." -F. Scott Fitzgerald

by Goodie1969 on Aug 5, 2008 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Would like to see Yost manage...

period. Ugh. Previewing is key…

"And then, just as nonchalantly as though Horace Tarbox had been Mr. Beef the butcher or Mr. Hat the haberdasher, life reached in, seized him, handled him, stretched him, and unrolled him like a piece of Irish lace on a Saturday-afternoon bargain-counter." -F. Scott Fitzgerald

by Goodie1969 on Aug 5, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

It looked definately like Fielder went nuts after...

...Parra accidently had his jacket graze Prince when he threw down his jacket.

Pretty mature reaction by Fielder. What a tool. I mean, did he really think Parra would do that on purpose?

And I have a hard time even comparing this to Z/Barrett. A couple of those Brewers were PISSED at Fielder. And judging from Yost’s comments, Fielder is just a loose cannon that he has no control over.

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by carmen_fanzone on Aug 5, 2008 9:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Could Fielder be Anemic?

Here are the symptoms of Iron deficient Anemia:

“There are many symptoms of anemia. Each individual will not experience all the symptoms and if the anemia is mild, the symptoms may not be noticeable. Some of the symptoms are: Pale skin color, fatigue, irritability, dizziness, weakness, shortness of breath, sore tongue, brittle nails, decreased appetite (especially in children), headache – frontal.”

Hmmm…

He’s was definitely irritable.

Weakness? Well, I wouldn’t call him physically weak, but shoving your starting pitcher against a bench for hitting you with the sleeve of his warm up jacket isn’t exactly the the “strongest” move.

I thought his shortness of breath no the base-paths might be because of some of his more obvious attributes, but…

Sore tongue? You bet. I’m sure his tongue was spouting some pretty sore things as all of this was going on.

What can you do to prevent Anemia?

If your diet is high in iron, you probably won’t be anemic. Iron can be found in red meat, liver, raisins, spinach, broccoli, and egg yolks.

We all know that Prince stays away from meat, so liver, red meat and eggs are right out. I also gather that Prince, much like Newman, wouldn’t eat broccoli if were deep-fried in chocolate sauce.

So, there ya go. Prince, just have have a cheeseburger every once in a while and maybe very valuable members of your pitching staff will be safe.

More information on Anemia can be found here.

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by STLCubFan on Aug 5, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

But according to the commercials, Prince is real nice with kids

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Aug 5, 2008 9:32 AM CDT reply actions  

We saw Prince's short temper

in his final AB in game four of our series with them. Looks like someone could benefit from a wee bit of anger management.

Ideas are bulletproof.

by neverAcquiesce on Aug 5, 2008 9:32 AM CDT reply actions  

just a LITTLE bit

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Aug 5, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

No doubt.

And for those of you who missed it, check this out. The guy’s got serious, serious issues.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by daver on Aug 5, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I actually can see Fielder not being happy with Parra leaving the dugout

And I’ve got no problem with words being exchanged.

The physical confrontation, however, isn’t the right reaction—especially the fact that he kept going at Parra.

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2008 9:35 AM CDT reply actions  

But don't pitchers ALWAYS hit the tunnel after being pulled?

I think this simply boils down to frustration all around, and Prince reacting in the worst way possible.

Ideas are bulletproof.

by neverAcquiesce on Aug 5, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not always, no.

Some stay for the rest of the game.

I’m not justifying Fielder’s reaction, though. The continual shoving was BS.

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2008 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not quite

They do usually go down the tunnel and get ice for their arms pretty quickly. Some then come back and watch the rest of the game from the dugout.

I think?

by Archie on Aug 5, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, that's probably true

So, he could have watched the offense bat, I suppose. Maybe he wanted to vent, though – away from the cameras, as suggested by neverAcquiesce

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I wasn't implying they stay in the tunnel.

But most usually do that so they can, I assume, express their frustration away from their teammates, the crowd, and the cameras.

The bit that confused me was his shoving him in the face. If you’re gonna shove someone, shove them. If you’re gonna hit them, do it. But don’t split the difference.

Ideas are bulletproof.

by neverAcquiesce on Aug 5, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

That should read:

But most usually go into the locker room so that so they can, I assume, express their frustration away from their teammates, the crowd, and the cameras, and then return.

Ideas are bulletproof.

by neverAcquiesce on Aug 5, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Prince

I don’t get the feeling that he was really a good friend to all of the outcasts in junior high, do you?

by Archie on Aug 5, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not after that

It’s a shame, because I really gained respect for him after the play when he bowled Soto over at the plate this year. Soto hung on for the out, and Prince handed Geo his mask and patted him as if to say, “Nice play – you got me.”

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

One thing that just occurred to me is...

...Ben Sheets stood at the top step of the dugout and watched the remainder of his loss to the Cubs last week. I would guess CC stuck around the night before as well. Maybe this is just considered de rigeur in the Brewers dugout, and Prince was trying to “show some leadership” by going after Parra about it.

FAIL

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by daver on Aug 5, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's a classier move to stay and watch the game

But the heat of battle might not be the best time to explain that to a teammate.

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fielder is a tool--but his temper is no worse than Z's....

Z pummeled Barrett to the point where I believe a trip to the hospital was made? I hope this fight divides the Brewers, but it could have the opposite effect by fostering an us against the world mentality.

P.S. I have donned my fire retardant suit—so flame away for mentioning Prince and Z in the same sentence.

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by cubfever7 on Aug 5, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Im banking on

their cowardly manager not fostering the winning attitude that Lou did for us during the Zambrano/Barrett fiasco.

by StevenABQ on Aug 5, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep...

...the difference is how each manager reacts/reacted to the situation. Lou’s got control of his clubhouse, Yost not so much.

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by carmen_fanzone on Aug 5, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, I won't disagree with your Z comments

Other than to say Barrett was a fool for following him to the clubhouse after the first fight.

Z needs to grow the hell up, there is no doubt.

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Z's come a long way this season...

.....and I would in no way compare him, even on his worst days, to the loose cannon that is Prince Fielder.

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by carmen_fanzone on Aug 5, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's gotten better

But until he stops breaking bats over his thigh, he’s got work to do.

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Too true.

Makes me cringe everytime he does it. Break em over Fontenot’s thigh if anything.

Ideas are bulletproof.

by neverAcquiesce on Aug 5, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Of course I am biased, but still, based on the video it doesn’t seem like words were exchanged…just a simple (and likely unintentional) brush with Parra’s jacket. Fielder just went bonkers.

by StevenABQ on Aug 5, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

No flames...

...there’s a diifference between competitive fire and acting like an assclown.

Z steps perilously close to the line much of the time. As I said when we signed him long term, Z might be a knucklehead, but he’s OUR knucklehead. Wouldn’t have it any other way, it’s part of what makes him the player that he is.

Fielder, I’m sure elicits a similar reaction from Brewers’ fans. I hope that Yost reigns this in, but I’m not confident that will happen.

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by NotSure on Aug 5, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Story behind the fight

The Milwaukee paper has more detail on this in this story. Supposedly, Fielder thought Parra should stay in the dugout and watch the Brewers bat instead of going back to the clubhouse.

by dfrancon on Aug 5, 2008 11:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Great.

So instead of asking, he starts a fight. That’s real grown up.

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by Al Yellon on Aug 5, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't read too much...

...into whether this means their club is falling apart. These type of things happen occassionally (mostly behind closed doors) and is a part of spending 6-7 months with the same people everyday.

Frustrations will happen once in a while (see the A’s and Yankees of the 70’s) and that is a reality.

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by MPH73 on Aug 5, 2008 11:11 AM CDT reply actions  

my favorite part

Was when Hardy (atleast that’s who I think it was) was yelling at Fielder while he was being restrained.

by polly on Aug 5, 2008 11:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Many are saying that Yost's comments.....

"It’s a little bit rude when your neighbors are fighting next door for you to go knock on the door and ask what happened. We handle it ourselves. It’s between us and it’s nobody’s business. But it wasn’t that big a deal."

...were more a slap at the media trying to “butt in”, than a comment on why he didn’t actually go and get anywhere near the fight.

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by carmen_fanzone on Aug 5, 2008 12:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, when your neighbors

fight in front of 30,000 people, it’s a little different situation.

I thought Ned was full of crap. Then again, that’s no different than usual from him.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 5, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yea

Parra definitely was scared, as I would be as well. But it was like Hardy was taming a wild animal. It reminded me of the late great Steve Irwin trying to tame an alligator, in this case a very large athletic angry alligator. They are pissed! I LOVE IT!

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by SouthsideCUBSfan on Aug 5, 2008 12:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Tempers flare, fights happen in baseball

25 guys spending intensive time together for 7 plus months. It’s bound to happen that players get testy with one another, for whatever reasons. It’s like any other human dynamic. Do you like all your co-workers or all your neighbors?

Great Yankee teams of the late 70’s that Lou Piniella was on fought like cats and dogs. Thurman Munsun hated Reggie Jackson’s guts, Billy Martin hated several of his players. Craig Nettles hated Micky Rivers, etc.

Big problem for Milwaukee? I doubt it.

by MDBNIU on Aug 5, 2008 12:59 PM CDT reply actions  

That was before....

...ESPN or the internet. Plus the world we live in has changed alot. Every job/family/social situation has changed tremendously since the 70’s. I’m not saying it should be this way, just that it is.

The fight isn’t really the problem. It’s how they deal with it. In a small market like Milwaukee, it doesn’t seem like you can just tell the fans that they’re being rude for asking. They don’t have a lot of chances to compete and if it appears that you have a clubhouse bully and the manager isn’t dealing with it, then if I was a fan, I’d be pissed. When the Z/Barrett fight happened last year even though I could understand how it happened, it seemed appropriate to have Zambrano publicly apologize since he was the agressor and was causing a distraction for the team. I think if Dusty had still been around, the response would’ve been very similar to Ned Yost’s: accuse the guy who even asks what’s going on of being rude.

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by TXCub on Aug 5, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heck

people here get on others’ nerves!

Calm down.

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 5, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

Anyone in particular?

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by daver on Aug 5, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here is the problem with the fight

Milwaukee collapsed down the stretch last year. The Cubs just swept them in their own park. This isn’t the kind of thing that makes a team come together. True, there are scraps all the time in baseball, but they are in the clubhouse. Guys know to take it down the tunnel. Fielder was out of control. He looked like a madman. By default he is somewhat a team leader. Remember, Fielder was very publicly griping about the money he makes in the Spring. These aren’t the actions of a leader. Who is the leader on that team? It is a young team. Most of the guys on this team were part of last years collapse. Instead of a leader stepping up, Fielder stepped off into the deep end. This is not good for the Brewers, no matter what that snippy mut Yost said post game. Oh, and Ned. Dust off that resume.

by Nibbles on Aug 5, 2008 8:53 PM CDT reply actions  

I would take Cecil to dinner

before I let Prince buy me it.

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