Thunder & Lightning: Cubs 0, Astros 2
by Al Yellon on Aug 5, 2008 8:29 AM CDT
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It was 70's night last night at Wrigley Field... "Elvis" was seen in the building, attempting to slide across the tarp during the rain delay.
via chicagosports.chicagotribune.com
Ever since the deluge that washed out the first scheduled night game at Wrigley Field on August 8, 1988, I've ended that story with, "And I don't think I've seen it rain as hard since that day".
Now, four days short of twenty years later, I think I have.
A tremendous thunderstorm which generated tornado warnings in near-in suburbs and forced city officials to sound the tornado sirens on the north side -- something I had never heard before except on their every-Tuesday testing time -- delayed Monday night's game for nearly three hours (and then again for 39 minutes in a second delay after play had resumed, at which time both Astros 1B Lance Berkman and Cubs 1B coach Matt Sinatro were seen on TV ducking out of the way of a massive clap of thunder and bolt of lightning), and forced the Cubs to ask everyone to seek shelter under the stands, including GM Jim Hendry:
Hendry said it was the first time he heard tornado sirens at Wrigley in his 14 years with the Cubs. He experienced the storm among the fans, trapped near a concession stand on the Clark Street side of the park and soaked by horizontal rain coming in.
That the teams were able to retake the field after the first delay was a testament to the new drainage system installed before the season.
"The field is in tremendous shape," Hendry said. "Not only was it built extremely well, but our grounds crew has done a top-notch job."
That may be true, but I still wonder about the decision to resume the game on such a wet field -- Astros pitcher Geoff Geary had to leave the game after slipping off the mound. Probably 90% of the fans had left by the time the game resumed at 10:24 pm -- myself included; I had seen on my phone the radar image of the coming storm and decided to take off right at the first rain delay, thinking they wouldn't resume play. This is a major difference from 20+ years ago -- back then, they'd never have continued, especially since the game was already official at the first delay, going into the top of the sixth. Further, the score was reasonably close at 2-0, risking possible extra innings when there's a day game scheduled the next day. As it was, the players likely didn't get out of there till close to midnight.
The Cubs lost the game 2-0, primarily on two plays: Miguel Tejada taking second base on a deep fly to CF in the first inning, where he scored on a single by Carlos Lee, and Ryan Dempster's bases-loaded walk to Humberto Quintero, Houston's backup catcher, who entered the game hitting .210. In 65 plate appearances... that was the first walk he had drawn in 2008 and only the 11th of a 300+ PA career.
Fortunately for the Cubs, the Brewers also lost last night and Prince Fielder and Manny Parra got into a shoving match in the dugout. Clearly, the Brewers are a frustrated bunch after having lost eight of their last eleven.
Since there's a day game today I'll cut this recap short -- I was happy to stay dry while watching one of the most amazing lightning shows I've ever seen -- and have today's pregame thread posted at 11:30 CT.
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First!
Good morning Al. Good morning evereybody. Let’s get ready for a Cubs win today!
Jimmyeatworld
Second
which is a first for me LOL
Let’s get these next two. time to put more distance between us and the wannabe’s!
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What?
No way that they fire a manager that has his team in second place and 11 games over .500.
Yost might not be the best manager out there, but I don’t think that there is cause to fire him at this point.
Agreed. Ned's not going anywhere during the season.
That’s a good thing for us. I do think he might not be in the dugout in 2009 if the Brewers don’t make the post-season.
From what I can gather, Brewers fans think about the same of Yost that we do.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2008 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Did you see Yost's interview?
He said something like “if you hear a huge fight at the neighbors, you don’t go over to check on them because it would be rude, so leave us alone.”
Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.
Let me run that through the Ned Yost BS translator
“I have no control over my team, I’m scared of Prince Fielder eating me. Please don’t ask me more question to which the only answer is that I’m an awful manager ruining this franchises first shot at glory in 26 years”
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
by nji232 on Aug 5, 2008 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I caught it -- and was stunned by the lousy analogy
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2008 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Yost lost control of this team last year
It is little different than Dusty’s way. Also the Brewers were too cheap to bring in a real veteran locker room leader and trade Fielder for a cache of prospects. Fielder is the 500 lb Gorilla in the locker room…..they could have traded him over the winter with great cover and found 1B like Clark and would have been better off.
I think if the Cubs push out a couple of weeks at .700 ball, to Sept or so they will crack, the trouble is StL will be there picking up the pieces.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
Well, maybe 350 pounds . . .
I would be suprised if they didn’t trade Prince for pitching in the off-season. With Boras as his agent and the fact that he’s already rejected a long-term offer, he can’t be long for that franchise.
Plus, he’s a DH in the making.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2008 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
i wonder if...
he’s a kenny williams-type of guy?
homer or nothing, check
eschews fundamentals, check
may well have had his best year(s), check
best years??
he’s 24!
Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 5, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
if he keeps the attitude
and size, he might be done….
as soon as he signs a big contract
If I hear a physical fight at the neighbors...
I call the police, but that’s just me.
Proud recipient of a hot dog shot from the Iowa Cubs hot dog gun.
If it is, that's an isolated part of WI
Because I’d call, too!
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry, Ned Yost, but domestic violence is a serious issue.
If you hear or see your neighbors fighting like your players did last night, ned, you should call the police.
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 5, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Good point -- his analogy kind of trivializes that, doesn't it?
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
absolutely
It was far too close to the old Bobby Knight “might as well just enjoy it” analogy.
Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.
Not only is the analogy stupid
it’s wrong. If your neighbors are fighting so loud you can hear it through multiple sets of walls you should find some way to interfere.
But that’s neither here nor there. Here’s to enjoying the Crew’s slide!
Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on Aug 5, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Well done, sir!
Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on Aug 5, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I must defer to SWL!
I am but a humble messenger . . . .
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Often...
When you hear neighbors fighting, and there is violent pushing and shoving involved, you call the police to check on the well-being of the individuals.
Ned Yost should be fired. For our sakes as Cub fans, I hope he is retained for a long, long time.
In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this? -Oysterband
Milwaukee is on first place in the wild card race.
Therefore, no managerial change is going to happen.
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 5, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the Brewers aren't the Mets...
He’s not going anywhere. I believe that this incident will help the Brewers regroup after a tough week.
Proud recipient of a hot dog shot from the Iowa Cubs hot dog gun.
I don't think it does...
If you look at all the recent dugout fights:
Barrett/ Z
Grafanino/Estrada/Yost
Youkilis/Manny
There is a common denominator there. Either one or both players is gone from that team. Just an observation. I don’t think it helps by any means.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
They can't fire Ned
He’s the Cubs’ 26th man! :)
Seriously, he helps us as Brewers manager.
I was going to guess Berkman...
but then I noticed the guy was smiling. I have never seen Berkman smile. He always has that pained look on his face.
Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.
He was running off the field when that thunder hit like a little school girl...
That thunder was loud!
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Aug 5, 2008 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions
i looked up when the thunder hit
and lance was gone. it was amazing how quickly he got off the field.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
I know Lance personally...........
...........and he does, in fact, smile. Quite regularly, in fact.
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
I know Jesus...
top that!
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by digitalbenjamin on Aug 5, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll take Lance.
He knows the scriptures too!
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
Fictional characters don't count.
:D
Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on Aug 5, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Not getting into a religious discussion, but
Jesus is a historical figure—this is pretty much agreed on by scholars.
The rest of the discussion isn’t for this forum.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Ivan DeJesus?
No, seriously—religions beyond Christianity and educated atheists agree that the man lived. Obviously the divinity issue is one where there is not universal agreement.
I’m stopping here, too, even if someone replies.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
really? ;-)
reminds me of when Kramer vowed to stop talking…
...right now.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
The time
is what he’s indicating there.
Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on Aug 5, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
That's what I was going for.
Simple humor, not meant to upset anyone. Hence the :D
To be fair, I’m not real either.
Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on Aug 5, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
no offense taken.
i thought it was funny.
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by digitalbenjamin on Aug 5, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
How do you know him?
I’m not disputing your assertion – just curious about the details.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
A good question...
but one better answered away from this forum… feel free to email if you’d like :)
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by digitalbenjamin on Aug 5, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, tville's e-mail isn't listed on his profile.
And I’m not asking for specific names, dates and places – just a general sense of how he made Berkman’s acquaintance. He can certainly decline or ignore me. Like I said, just curious.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Well, it started one summer when he went puma hunting...
Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on Aug 5, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Can't do it.
Hit my humor quota for the morning. Need lunch first.
Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on Aug 5, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
That's my fetish
so it works out.
Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on Aug 5, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I think there is confusion here
Benjamin thought he was being asked, not tville
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Ben was playing on the joke
since he claimed above he knows Jesus.
Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on Aug 5, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Could be.
I probably shouldn’t post during conference calls….
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
you are correct, sir...
sorry if I misunderstood.
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by digitalbenjamin on Aug 5, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, OK...no biggie.
If you do happen to have the Son of God’s e-mail address, please pass it along. I can’t get Him to add me as a friend on MySpace.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
God's clearly a Facebook user.
MySpace is far too trendy. He’s sorry He, by proxy, created it.
Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on Aug 5, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Incorrect
God only uses ChristianSpaces.com and GodTube.com.
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by digitalbenjamin on Aug 5, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
It's a very long story..............
.............that started at Wrigley in 2001, just a few years after Berkman came up to the Bigs. Although a 1B by trade, with Bagwell entrenced at that position, the Astros shifted him to LF and we got “acquainted”.
Long story short, we’re on a first name basis and chat it up when the Astros are in town or when I’m in Houston to see the Cubs on the road. Introduced him to my daughter last night and he autographed her mitt.
There’s more to the story, but hopfully this will satisfy everyone’s curiousity.
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
Very Satisfied
Thats cool, I really used to dislike the guy, mostly because he was a Cubs killer…
But its nice to know that hes a good person.
So That's Where Elvis Is Now?
He’s at Wrigley Field. Nobody has seen him around Graceland in decades. I’m glad to see he’s gotten off his “dead” deriyehr and become a Cubs fan. He was a Cardinals fan and Harry Caray fan when he lived here.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
Let me just state for the record:
The picture at the top of this thread is one of the most amusing and bizarre Wrigley Field images I’ve seen in a long, long time. I’d put it up there with the Kissing Bandit. A total classic! Kudos to BCB photographer David.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
What's great
is the right guy’s trenchcoat gives him the appearance of a detective finally nabbing the quarry he’s been long after.
Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on Aug 5, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
hahaha!
well put!
Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 5, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
That’s one of the best. But, for the record, it appears Al cited the Trib as author of the work, not BCB photographer David.
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
D'oh - you're right.
Should’ve looked closer – I guess the Trib gets credit for that one.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
So, did 70's Elvis go to jail?
It’s a felony, now, isn’t it?
(running out on the field, not impersonating the King.)
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
Not sure under these circumstances...
... the game wasn’t going at the time, and so no one was on the field (no players, umpires, etc). Not sure what Elvis will be charged with.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Bad taste....
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
Well, besides that.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
they wouldn't have caught 50's or 60's Elvis.
70’s Elvis is just fat enough to catch.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
I wish I was there
Looked like fun. Too bad the Cubs lost though
"We’ve still got a long ways to go, I don’t like to get giggly over things in July. But the team’s playing well, they really are. They’re playing with confidence, and it shows."
He should be charged
With indecent exposure. Yikes. Button up that top shirt button. No one wants to see that!
Anyone know the most replies in a single BCB thread?
Cause that Post-Rain Delay post has over 1,000. (I need a new ‘Z’ key now)
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
Is "Z Key" induced carpal tunnel syndrome...
covered by workmans’ comp?
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by digitalbenjamin on Aug 5, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
You just need to rotate your Z digits
Sometimes I go pinky on the Z, other times, I change it up and use the ring finger. This one time, just for laughs, I scanned two whole threads thumbing away on that Z key. Keeps everything fresh.
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
Or one of these to click for you:
Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on Aug 5, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
Took me forever to find this picture.
I ended up googling “bird up and down” and was quite scared what pictures that might return. I still have no idea what it’s called. Metronome?
Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on Aug 5, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Hope you can read fast...
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by digitalbenjamin on Aug 5, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Proof you are a good BCB Member
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by digitalbenjamin on Aug 5, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
You can see Al's picture on the monitor.
"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk
Not only is my Z key the most used
I tend to want to use it to scroll down on non-bcb sites. Funny how that doesnt work LOL
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 5, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Me too. I wish all boards used SBNs style.
This reminds me of a time, prolly ten years ago, where I was obsessed in the Zelda game for N64. It featured a Z button that would swivel the camera directly behind Link, and I found myself instinctively pressing a phantom Z key when watching TV and wanting to see things from a certain characters perspective. I knew then it was time to put down the controller.
Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on Aug 5, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Greatest game I ever played.
Not so much obsession, though, as it was immersion. The Z button was like an extension of the self, to get a wee bit existential.
Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on Aug 5, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Second most for you is
“o”, followed by “s” and “t”—as in “Soto”
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
for once I'll give you credit for being funny Badger
only b/c its true.
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 5, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Memories of 08-08-1988
geez 4 days and it will be twenty years!
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
i bet we'll be seeing the clip a buncha times...
on the happy anniversary segment on PTI, and perhaps the oddball segment on countdown with keith olbermann?
For more thunder, lightning and sirens...
check out the FanShots section. BCB user Andre Fonseca posted a video from last night inside Wrigley Field, and I posted a couple from my back deck looking out towards Wrigley.
Weird wild eerie stuff…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Looking at that Brewers replay....
....JJ Hardy just goes off on Fielder and Braun’s in his face, too (besides the fact that about 7 of his teammates are holding him back). Funny looking at Jason Kendall, calmly just putting his catching gear on nearby, probably thinking “What the hell?”.
It looked pretty obvious that Parra was pissed when he threw his jacket and it grazed Fielder by accident. That Prince thought that Parra did it intentionally says a lot about his maturity. What a freakin loose cannon. His ejection last week against the Cubs when he was going off on the home plate umpire, NOBODY did anything to stop him. Nobody. Talk about inmates running the asylum.
Yost just has no control over this team. His comments that it “was no big deal” is major denial.
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
Would you try stopping Prince Fielder?
"We’ve still got a long ways to go, I don’t like to get giggly over things in July. But the team’s playing well, they really are. They’re playing with confidence, and it shows."
Only if...
(total cheap joke here)
I’d try to stop him only if I was armed with a sandwich.
It reminds me of that episode of the Three Stooges where Curley goes off when he smells lilac perfume and the only way Larry and Moe can stop him is to wrestle him to the ground and tickle his feet.
It was actually...
...Wild Hyacinth.
Other things that made Curly go nuts:
- Tassels
- Seeing a mouse (“Moe, Larry, the cheese! Moe, Larry, the cheese!)
- Everyone’s favorite – “Pop Goes The Weasel”
So you just let him be a loose cannon on your team?
If I’m the manager, yeah, I stop him. Otherwise, he’s running the team, no you.
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 5, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
No... You are right
I rember Bobby Cox taking out Andruw Jones in a middle of a game. Prince needs something like that to get the message across
"We’ve still got a long ways to go, I don’t like to get giggly over things in July. But the team’s playing well, they really are. They’re playing with confidence, and it shows."
The big question is will they?
2 major meltdowns in a week and nothing is being done (so far).
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 5, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
He hates all of us.
Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on Aug 5, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
man, oh, man...
would I love to see me some Prince Fielder on an Ozzie managed team. Fun times in the dugout every night…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
+1
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 5, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
What would Lou do?
"We’ve still got a long ways to go, I don’t like to get giggly over things in July. But the team’s playing well, they really are. They’re playing with confidence, and it shows."
Lame that this ended up being an ESPN game
A standard 7:05 start the game never gets into the 5th.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
they went 8 innings....
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 5, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I have a hard time believing that they try as hard to get the game in
if it is in the 3rd and not the 6th after the 1st rain delay.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Right, but...
... what he was saying was, if it had not been on ESPN and started at 7:05, they would have had only about 40 minutes of playing time before the rain came.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Oh, gotcha, my bad....
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 5, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Good point, but as some pointed out in the game thread
If they take pitches in the early innings, maybe it doesn’t go 5, either.
Also—5 innings to score of Moehler should be enough!
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
True... they swung at an awful lot of first pitches.
it was a wasted night. didn’t lose any ground but could have gained.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
It was crazy last night
I drove up with my brother and dad from Indianapolis. From our seats in section 204, at one point we couldn’t see the right field bleachers it was raining so hard. We then stuck out the rain delay and, after moving up seats (who wouldn’t after that delay), were rudely instructed to move by an usher, despite their being 7500 people there, tops. Got home at 4 am, and now I’m at work. Good times.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
John Kruk says this could help the Brewers....
...said all they need to do is sit down and discuss it and work it out. Does anyone see Fielder as the kind of person who would do this? LOL. All the while, Ned Yost cowers in his office, avoiding confrontation.
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
It's just the Brewers Annual Dugout Fight
2007: Johnny Estrada v. Ned Yost
2008: Prince Fielder v. Manny Parra
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
It depends on the individuals
Could it help? Sure. Will it? Hard to say.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm skeptical....
Could it help? Sure, if you’re Lou Piniella, it could help.
Could it help if your manager is Ned Yost? Man, I don’t know. This is the second dugout skirmish the man has overseen, the last involving HIM and a player.
It’ll be fun to watch, for sure, but will it help the Brewers? I can’t see it.
I bet Yost had that stupid smirk on the whole time...
Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 5, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it's too late in the season...
...for a fight like this to do anything but hurt the Brewers. Prince Fielder appears to have some serious rage issues. He’s not a team leader – only a distraction. And no one else on the team seems to stick out as someone who could provide leadership. There’s a lot of talent on the Milwaukee Brewers, but they’re young, frustrated and out of control.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Someone commented on the players' reaction in the dugout
And they did seem pissed at him. Not just breaking up the fight, but pissed.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I think
they should go after Delmon Young and maybe Elijah Dukes to round out the club…just to add to the pristine character of the team already…
Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 5, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I hear Hitler
had good power to the gaps… he might be a nice pick-up.
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by digitalbenjamin on Aug 5, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I disagree
I saw JJ Hardy and Ryan Braun getting in the middle of that skirmish. I think it’s obvious those two are leaders. They were both in Prince’s face.
too me this doesn't help the brewers
it helped the cubs last year bc it was the low point in the season and they had one player that they could clearly make the scape-goat and ship out of town…....the brewers are not giving up fielder or parra this year, so this is going to be a distraction for the rest of the year, rather than being a rallying point
They'll patch it up...
They’ll go over to Prince’s place, put some tofu burgers on the grill, hold hands and sing Cumbaya.
Of course, the party will bust up when Prince eats all of the burgers. Oh well.
In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this? -Oysterband
Reference too obscuro 4 me
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
By that token (no pun intended)...
Abraham Lincoln must have been one cool dude.
“Four score and twenty years ago…”
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Oh man...
that’s funny!
Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on Aug 5, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
So I read on CBS2
that people were in the concourse standing in water almost up to thier ankles! I’m no meteorologist, but couldn’t that have been a horrific scene if that was coupled with a lightning bolt?
If that’s true, the renovation to Wrigley cannot come soon enough.
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/thunderstorms.flight.delays.2.787467.html
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by jerry morales rules on Aug 5, 2008 10:12 AM CDT reply actions
Yes, it could have been a problem.
It has nothing to do with renovations. If you get two inches of rain in thirty minutes, just about any stadium might have flooded areas.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I think
that’s still better than going out on to Clark, risking accidents, flying debris, drunk people doing dumb things. Imagine a jam packed platform at the Red Line under those conditions (I’m sure that still happened though). It was the worst rain there in almost 20 years! Stuff like that happens.
Go ahead, Z me.
While the sirens were going off, you could see morons on the rooftops on Sheffield
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by RIOTSHIRTS.com on Aug 5, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
i think the bigger problem with the concourses
is their general inability to fit everyone. i know wrigley is old, but the risk of someone having a panic attack or hyperventilating from the general crush of people during a delay is a significant risk. it seems like there’s a chance that a ‘who concert in cincinnati’ could occur in a worst-case scenario.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Went to a Wrigley game many years ago
with my dad and brother that got rained out. My dad had free tickets from his boss’s season tickets (ten rows back, first base line, pretty sweet) so we waited it out. Why not? It was free, and it was just water. Well, we left when it was officially cancelled and I’ll never forget heading through the stadium and looking towards the tunnel leading to the field and seeing a WALL OF WATER come rushing down. No, that is not hyperbole, a literal WALL OF WATER rushed down. The streets were flooded up to my poor ten year old brother’s knees.
Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on Aug 5, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Got a question
I was watching Headline News this morning, and it looked like they had video of a lightning strike on the flags on top of the scoreboard. Anybody else see this or get a picture/screengrab of it? It was very cool.
There's a photo like that...
.. on the back page of today’s Sun-Times.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Watch the recap on ESPN's Sportscenter.
It looks like the lightning bolt that stopped the game for good hit the lightning rod or whatever that pole is, above the CF scoreboard. Amazing shot!
I watched last night live and both Berkman and Soriano looked really scared. In fact, Soriano swung at those pitches like he didn’t want to be on the field too long. And ESPN showed Berkman taking off his metal chain before taking the field.
I liked seeing Reed
pointing out Berkman’s escape from the field to Lee. They were having quite the laugh at his frightened expense.
Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on Aug 5, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Update on Rich Hill from the Sun-Times today
Left-hander Rich Hill, whose seasonlong struggle with command extended through the end of July at Class A Daytona, has headed back to the minor-league DL after a recurrence of the back spasms that sidelined him earlier this season. After walking 18 in 19 2/3 innings with the Cubs, Hill was a combined 4-7 with a 5.85 ERA, 57 strikeouts and 44 walks in 47 2/3 innings for Iowa, rookie-A Mesa and Daytona.
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by digitalbenjamin on Aug 5, 2008 10:50 AM CDT reply actions
Suckage.
That’s really too bad.
Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on Aug 5, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow, well...
...it’s not like the Cubs are/were counting on Rich or anything. Nonetheless, his story continues to be a rather sad, frustrating footnote to this glorious ‘08 season. It would be nice to see him stage some sort of a comeback next year.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Hard to say
If he was mediocre but not awful, maybe not. If he was lights out, probably not.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Hardon to say
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Aug 5, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's an interesting question.
I guess I’d say, yes, the Cubs still would have probably gone after Harden. The only way they wouldn’t have is if Hill had put up ace numbers – maybe along the lines of Dempster’s. Then maybe the would have stood pat in light of Harden’s injury history.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
i'm trying to look at the hill debacle positively
with hill doesn’t go down, we may not have the deadly 3 punch combo of z, harden, dempster, for the playoffs (knock on wood)
OT: Leon Durham Feature
Here’s an article on Leon Durham from the Indianapolis Star. He has good things to say about Chicago and the fans.
Link (new window)
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Last night was nuts
Al had the good sense to escape early. I went from the bleachers into the main park
to try to catch the #22 bus. I stood right inside the park and watched the storm and it was both crazy and kind of amazing. People sort of oohed and ahed at the lightning strikes.
A few brave souls were dashing out but most of stayed put. There was a mini flood
when a drain clogged so you had to go through a foot or so of water to run out the main
entrance. They also closed the bathroooms in the center at least. Typical CTA service
I waited for about an hour. The first bus was gonna be too full but I got the 2nd by dashing across Clark when it came. Overall there is no question bus service is dramatically worse this year and our Mayor thinks he can pull of the Olympics when he can’t get good bus or subway service.
Well the game itself as I am sure has been mentioned was a lot like Friday thanks
to genius Lou resting 3 starters. Don’t suppose he could maybe SPREAD THAT OUT so
you are not down that many in one game ?
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Last night
I left when it started raining hard because my internal barometer plummeted and I KNEW it was going to get bad. It was really eerie hearing all those tornado sirens, especially off the tall buildings where I live. I have not seen weather like that since I left Atlanta! I think I had some bad flashbacks!
I did see an aswesome light show from my 40th floor perch.
A good friend of mine called me from her car—I was already home. She was in the upper deck and she told me she has never been that scared. When they told everyone to go to the concourses the ramps were clogged and the wind was so strong people were getting blown around. She held tight to a railing. Then she said that they locked people INSIDE Wrigley for their own safety because it was so dangerous outside. When she finally got out, she was afraid of what her car might look like because they had parked under a tree in the lot on Grace. Luckily her car was fine, but those in the middle of the lot had water up to the top of the rims and people either weren’t going to get into their cars or they were going to get a rush of water if they opened their doors.
I was glad to be home when the worst of it hit.
I guess my Webinar isn’t going to happen, so I’m going to get myself over to Wrigley and root for a win today!
"I'm a Cubs fan. I'm very, very patient." -- from a Shoe cartoon.
by No Southern Belle on Aug 5, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
espn rumor central webpage
nothing too new….just saying eyre is likely to go with wood coming back, likely suitors would be yankees, phils, ray, red sox
as long as we
get something for him. my preference, an al/east team.
Red Sox
already have 2 lefties in the pen, although I have heard rumors that Okajima might be on the outs…And the Yankees just like to make deals, so I would not count them out…
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 5, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
what about the brewers?
they seem to enjoy collecting relievers who may or may not be washed up. thye could put in a claim…
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
So do the Astros!
Put him with LaTroy
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 5, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
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